Seems not all the world wants to abandon traditional moral values.
The Circus Maximus in Rome has been packed with
Demonstrators opposed to legalising same sex marriage and to gays adopting children.

;D ;D ;D ;D

yeah ... in a country with 60 million staunch catholics, a few thousand showed up to protest

what a success :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18am:

;D ;D ;D ;D yeah ... in a country with 60 million staunch catholics, a few thousand showed up to protest what a success :D :D :D :D

"Latest opinion polls say that 70 per cent of Italians believe that same sex couples should be granted legal protection, such as inheritance rights."    ABC

Why does SSM frighten conservatives so much?

It always intrigues me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:08am:

Latest opinion polls say that 70 per cent of Italians believe that same sex couples should be granted legal protection, such as inheritance rights."    ABC

and that's after considering that Italy has a lot of Bernardi style nutjobs.

This should make the conservatives head spin


Voters in Malcolm Turnbull's own electorate want same-sex marriage legalised through a free vote of parliament, not a plebiscite. Photo: Dallas Kilponen
•Same-sex marriage threatens Coalition unity
•Coalition tensions flare over same-sex marriage

Voters in Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's own electorate overwhelmingly want same-sex marriage legalised and the vast majority would prefer a free vote in Parliament to an expensive plebiscite.

New ReachTEL polling conducted for the Australian Marriage Equality lobby group shows 72.8 per cent of people in Mr Turnbull's seat of Wentworth support legalising same-sex marriage while only 20.9 per cent oppose it.

Plebiscite push: PM Malcolm Turnbull adopted predecessor Tony Abbott's policy.
Plebiscite push: PM Malcolm Turnbull adopted predecessor Tony Abbott's policy. Photo: Andrew Meares

But supporters clearly aren't convinced by Mr Turnbull's plebiscite policy. More than 63 per cent of respondents want an immediate free vote of MPs and senators, while only 9.6 per cent favour the plebiscite.

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Just over 6 per cent haven't made up their minds.

Australian Marriage Equality national director Rodney Croome said Mr Turnbull's constituents can see that a plebiscite is an expensive and divisive delaying tactic.

"The Prime Minister's current position of supporting a plebiscite is now out of step with his own electorate," he said.

"We know from a decade of polling that Australians support this reform. We urge Malcolm Turnbull to bring back marriage equality legislation, allow a free vote and get this done straight away so Australia can move on."

The ReachTEL poll of 665 people was conducted on Thursday night, after a number of Coalition MPs revealed they intended to vote against same-sex marriage in Parliament even if the plebiscite is successful.

Liberal senators Eric Abetz and Cory Bernardi and Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie indicated they would ignore the results of the plebiscite and vote against any enabling legislation.

However former prime minister and conservative standard-bearer Tony Abbott says he believes the Parliament should honour the will of the people if the plebiscite is successful.

"This is the best way to decide something that's so important but so personal: it's to let the people decide," he said during his visit to the United States to address a conservative Christian group about the importance of the traditional definition of marriage.

"The decision, whichever way it goes, will have their authority."

Mr Abbott adopted the plebiscite policy when he was prime minister as a way of delaying a parliamentary vote on a cross-party bill put forward by Coalition backbencher Warren Entsch.

Mr Turnbull supports same-sex marriage but adopted Tony Abbott's plebiscite policy in a bid to keep conservative MPs on side. He insists the Parliament will honour the outcome, despite what the conservatives say.

"It's perfectly democratic," the Prime Minister told Melbourne radio on Friday. "If the majority of people voting in the plebiscite vote in favour of it, then same-sex marriage will be legalised."

AME revealed on Friday it believes there is now enough political support for same-sex marriage to pass both houses of Parliament – if Mr Turnbull allowed his members a conscience vote.

It believes the reform would pass the lower house with 76 votes – a majority of one – and the upper house with 41 of 76 senators. Some of those votes come from people who are yet to publicly declare their positions.

The slender majorities include those who have publicly switched their stance in the last 12 months - from both sides of the political aisle.

Mr Turnbull is yet to detail just how the planned plebiscite will work and when it will be held. But it's believed a plebiscite will cost taxpayers around $160 million. Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said that would be a waste of money.

"The time has come for marriage equality – the best way for it to happen is through a free vote in the Parliament," he said on Saturday.


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Too many people want to take a trip down vegimite valley, don't they teach biology in school any more  :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:18am: ;D ;D ;D ;D yeah ... in a country with 60 million staunch catholics, a few thousand showed up to protest what a success :D :D :D :D "Latest opinion polls say that 70 per cent of Italians believe that same sex couples should be granted legal protection, such as inheritance rights."    ABC Why does SSM frighten conservatives so much? It always intrigues me.

You're projecting there son, because fear is all you know.


Quote:

When a man makes sure to tell me that he’s against racism or sexism or xenophobia or homophobia or transphobia or whatever the thing of the day is… …all I see is fear. He’s afraid of losing his job. He’s afraid of losing customers. He’s afraid of getting kicked out of school. He’s afraid of being smeared by the media. He’s afraid of getting sued. He’s afraid of losing his house. He’s afraid of losing the support of his friends and family. He’s afraid of losing his wife or his girlfriend. He’s signed the manuals, he’s watched the videos and the Powerpoint presentations. He knows the rules and he’s seen what happens to men who break them. A lot of men are afraid to even think the thoughts that lead to saying the words that could get them in trouble.

It's OK greg.  Everyone gets scared sometimes, but you can't let it run your life.

... wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 8:08am: John Smith wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:18am: ;D ;D ;D ;D yeah ... in a country with 60 million staunch catholics, a few thousand showed up to protest what a success :D :D :D :D "Latest opinion polls say that 70 per cent of Italians believe that same sex couples should be granted legal protection, such as inheritance rights."    ABC Why does SSM frighten conservatives so much? It always intrigues me. You're ...

... dead right.  Yes, I know.

So, maybe you can tell us: why do you and your fellow conservatives fear SSM, and change in general, so much?

What's it like to live in constant (irrational) fear?

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:43am:

Seems not all the world wants to abandon traditional moral values. The Circus Maximus in Rome has been packed with Demonstrators opposed to legalising same sex marriage and to gays adopting children.

I would have to agree with that..

they made their choice when they decided to put their penis into another mans bum - or play lickerty splits...

Turnbull's Wentworth electorate is heavily populated with the progressive whatever's-in crowd, we know that.
As such they detest anything as democratic as a plebiscite. Perish the thought.  They just want what they want . . .and when do they want it? NOW!
God they must make awful lovers.

But they keep voting for him.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:55pm:

Turnbull's Wentworth electorate is heavily populated with the progressive whatever's-in crowd, we know that. As such they detest anything as democratic as a plebiscite. Perish the thought.  They just want what they want . . .and when do they want it? NOW! God they must make awful lovers. But they keep voting for him.

I live in Wenty and I'm a pro gay marriage Islamaphobe.
Just thought you'd like an opinion from ground zero.