Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart.

Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget.

Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative.

He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want.

If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get?

Not his party. He doesn’t have a party.

He doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

sounds a bit like the 6 years of labor.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:56am:

sounds a bit like the 6 years of labor.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm so proud of you for standing by your conviction and refusing to formally vote this year, cods :)

Timid Turnbull is revealing his cowardice.
What a disappointment for progressive supporters of the Liberal Party.

Labor voter wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:54am:

Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

Falling apart? Doesn't he lead Shorten as preferred PM by something like 85-15?

Labor voter wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:54am:

Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Actually, it was Gillard who did that when she unfunded the existing arrangements at the time and left nothing in place while she sorted out her NDIS thought bubble, which meant that for a long time, the disabled and underprivileged had basically no support from government because of Gillards' incompetence.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:23am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

the money wasnt there phil... was it??...

thats what I am talking about....

of course the Libs didnt rubbish it.. that would be death at the election....what they didnt know was the extent of the mess labor was leaving behind.....

and of course Abbott went too far...too soon..

its ok to make promises when you know you wont be having to make them work.. ::) ::)

and labor knew they wouldnt win.. and its the same this time round....so make all the dumb promises you like..

I mean the hospitals are falling apart whats Bill going to do about them?  the last Labor govt were going to take them over if I remember rightly!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:19am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Falling apart? Doesn't he lead Shorten as preferred PM by something like 85-15?

Not to mention 54/46 in the polls.

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]  the money wasnt there phil... was it??... thats what I am talking about.... of course the Libs didnt rubbish it.. that would be death at the election....what they didnt know was the extent of the mess labor was leaving behind..... and of course Abbott went too far...too soon.. its ok to make promises when you know you wont be having to make them work.. ::) ::) and labor knew they wouldnt win.. and its the same this time round....so make all the dumb promises you like.. I mean the hospitals are falling apart whats Bill going to do about them?  the last Labor govt were going to take them over if I remember rightly!

Gillard only partially funded it and, knowing she wouldn't survive another term, left it for the Liberals to salvage.

____ wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:15am:

Timid Turnbull is revealing his cowardice. What a disappointment for progressive supporters of the Liberal Party.

Almost as disappointing as the greens.

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]  the money wasnt there phil... was it??... thats what I am talking about.... of course the Libs didnt rubbish it.. that would be death at the election....what they didnt know was the extent of the mess labor was leaving behind..... and of course Abbott went too far...too soon.. its ok to make promises when you know you wont be having to make them work.. ::) ::) and labor knew they wouldnt win.. and its the same this time round....so make all the dumb promises you like.. I mean the hospitals are falling apart whats Bill going to do about them?  the last Labor govt were going to take them over if I remember rightly!

No one forced Abbott to lie to the electorate....His PPL scheme was a load of bullshit yet I don't see any of you making the same assumptions about his reckless policies???

:-? :-? :-?

Something that seems to have been missed by most on here is that Turnbull has learned his lesson from his first turn at the top job. That lesson is that you lead a party, not occupy a throne. He can lead the party but if the party doesnt follow then there is no leadership at all. The Libs as a party dont want an ETS and in fact oppose it strongly. Therefore, Turnbull cannot simply say he supports it because that's not how leadership operates.  It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. Funny, that. And as a result he has a commanding lead in the polls and a truly massive lead in preferred PM.

What Turnbull has done is learned how to be a true leader. He can steer the ship to a certain degree, but he cannot unilaterally decide policy. He tried that last time and lost the job.

It is the Liberal Party, not the Turnbull Party and he now knows it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

Gillard only partially funded it and, knowing she wouldn't survive another term, left it for the Liberals to salvage.

so you want gillard to fund liberal policies now?  :D :D :D :D

Shouldn't abbott have made sure he could fund it BEFORE making the promise to fund it? :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party.

and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:49am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]  the money wasnt there phil... was it??... thats what I am talking about.... of course the Libs didnt rubbish it.. that would be death at the election....what they didnt know was the extent of the mess labor was leaving behind..... and of course Abbott went too far...too soon.. its ok to make promises when you know you wont be having to make them work.. ::) ::) and labor knew they wouldnt win.. and its the same this time round....so make all the dumb promises you like.. I mean the hospitals are falling apart whats Bill going to do about them?  the last Labor govt were going to take them over if I remember rightly! No one forced Abbott to lie to the electorate....His PPL scheme was a load of bullshit yet I don't see any of you making the same assumptions about his reckless policies??? :-? :-? :-?

well I rubbished it for sure.. but then I rubbished the labs as well..

they are the ones that give in to the gimmee generation...and dumbarse libs followed suit

I am sick of this generation of entitled....

I really am..and a lot of older lefties on here think its fine????...got to admit that phil...

when ever Tony said its time we paid.. nothin gis free.. they screamed...$7 bucks to go to the doctor would cripple people...BS.

but they screamed loud enough and now we have a health crisis..which I dont expect to get better anytime soon.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:15am: Timid Turnbull is revealing his cowardice. What a disappointment for progressive supporters of the Liberal Party. Almost as disappointing as the greens.

To conservative Labor supporters, like yourself?

____ wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:55am: ____ wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:15am: Timid Turnbull is revealing his cowardice. What a disappointment for progressive supporters of the Liberal Party. Almost as disappointing as the greens. To conservative Labor supporters, like yourself?

To anybody with a brain. The Greens are the sellout party.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:56am: sounds a bit like the 6 years of labor.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm so proud of you for standing by your conviction and refusing to formally vote this year, cods :)

I wonder if she'll be honest enough to tell the AEC she's not voting.

Or, will she have her name crossed off at the booth and then scribble "shortarse sucks" on her ballot paper?

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke

Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:59am: cods wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:49am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:23am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:54am: Interesting how quickly the Turnbull Adventure has fallen apart. Does he believe in anything? Not in gay marriage, this year. Not in the Republic, in the next thirty years. Not in abortion rights. Not in the Gonski education plans for the Disabled. Not in balancing the Budget. Not in a ‘small-l’ Liberal Party, whilever Abbott is keen to work out, and Abetz to work out, like the DLP, a semifascist alternative. He seems not to have a party at all. He seems obliged to defend ‘the 73 Club’ — Bishop, Heffernan, Ruddock — into their eightieth year. He seems obliged to destroy the provincial ABC, whatever the Nationals want. If you vote for Turnbull, who do you get? Not his party. He doesn’t have a party. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Gonski is a funding agreement for education whilst the NDIS funds the disabled....The Coalition agreed to fully implement both policies before the last election and have now turned their backs on the underprivileged and disabled....The Coalition have shown they cannot be trusted no matter who leads their dirty lying little party!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]  the money wasnt there phil... was it??... thats what I am talking about.... of course the Libs didnt rubbish it.. that would be death at the election....what they didnt know was the extent of the mess labor was leaving behind..... and of course Abbott went too far...too soon.. its ok to make promises when you know you wont be having to make them work.. ::) ::) and labor knew they wouldnt win.. and its the same this time round....so make all the dumb promises you like.. I mean the hospitals are falling apart whats Bill going to do about them?  the last Labor govt were going to take them over if I remember rightly! No one forced Abbott to lie to the electorate....His PPL scheme was a load of bullshit yet I don't see any of you making the same assumptions about his reckless policies??? :-? :-? :-? well I rubbished it for sure.. but then I rubbished the labs as well.. they are the ones that give in to the gimmee generation...and dumbarse libs followed suit I am sick of this generation of entitled.... I really am..and a lot of older lefties on here think its fine????...got to admit that phil... when ever Tony said its time we paid.. nothin gis free.. they screamed...$7 bucks to go to the doctor would cripple people...BS. but they screamed loud enough and now we have a health crisis..which I dont expect to get better anytime soon.

The disabled deserve better....The Coalition are a bunch of lying bastards who made so much about honesty and integrity before they were tested....Supporting such hypocrisy and double standards says a lot about some people!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

..Supporting such hypocrisy and double standards says a lot about some people!!!

And when Labor does it?

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:18pm: ..Supporting such hypocrisy and double standards says a lot about some people!!! And when Labor does it?

The ALP are no better and deserve the crap they got....Kevin Rudd was the great pretender who sunk Labor for a decade or more....What's your point....Should the Coalition be beyond criticism???

:-? :-? :-?

lee wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:18pm: ..Supporting such hypocrisy and double standards says a lot about some people!!! And when Labor does it?

They approve. Gillard liked to spend money. She was even more prolific in spending when she knew she wouldnt be around to have to actually pay for it. And she knew there would be crowds of imbeciles demanding their right to access more money while simultaneously hating those who paid the bulk of the taxes that paid for it.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:17am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year.

If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing.

Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Gillard liked to spend money. She was ...

... a wonderful PM.

;D ;D ;D

Yeah, thanks to abbott & turncoat the economy is slowing, we will lose or AAA rating and spending will remain at record high levels:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasury-secretary-john-fraser-australia-has-a-spending-and-a-revenue-problem-20160128-gmgj11.html

Divided, incompetent bunch of jerks!

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

Something that seems to have been missed by most on here is that Turnbull has learned his lesson from his first turn at the top job. That lesson is that you lead a party, not occupy a throne. He can lead the party but if the party doesnt follow then there is no leadership at all. The Libs as a party dont want an ETS and in fact oppose it strongly. Therefore, Turnbull cannot simply say he supports it because that's not how leadership operates.  It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. Funny, that. And as a result he has a commanding lead in the polls and a truly massive lead in preferred PM. What Turnbull has done is learned how to be a true leader. He can steer the ship to a certain degree, but he cannot unilaterally decide policy. He tried that last time and lost the job. It is the Liberal Party, not the Turnbull Party and he now knows it.

Congratulations, it must be difficult to produce such a pile of garbage.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:25pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:18pm: ..Supporting such hypocrisy and double standards says a lot about some people!!! And when Labor does it? They approve. Gillard liked to spend money. She was even more prolific in spending when she knew she wouldnt be around to have to actually pay for it. And she knew there would be crowds of imbeciles demanding their right to access more money while simultaneously hating those who paid the bulk of the taxes that paid for it.

Quote:

She was even more prolific in spending

Yet the numbers and IMF say that the Howard government were by far the most prolific in spending since 1930 and the Abbott government immediately doubled the deficit with their out of control spending.

Facts are not kind to your opinions are they ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: Something that seems to have been missed by most on here is that Turnbull has learned his lesson from his first turn at the top job. That lesson is that you lead a party, not occupy a throne. He can lead the party but if the party doesnt follow then there is no leadership at all. The Libs as a party dont want an ETS and in fact oppose it strongly. Therefore, Turnbull cannot simply say he supports it because that's not how leadership operates.  It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. Funny, that. And as a result he has a commanding lead in the polls and a truly massive lead in preferred PM. What Turnbull has done is learned how to be a true leader. He can steer the ship to a certain degree, but he cannot unilaterally decide policy. He tried that last time and lost the job. It is the Liberal Party, not the Turnbull Party and he now knows it. Congratulations, it must be difficult to produce such a pile of garbage.

Maria has a gift for producing garbage

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:17am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year. If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing. Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations.

Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek.  The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:09pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:17am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year. If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing. Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations. Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek.  The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

The expectation Turnbull will be the saviour is driving his popularity....Turnbull has a chance to secure his leadership with the next budget or tie himself to Abbott's policies and risk fallout....Either way someone will be disappointed???

:) :) :)

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:09pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:17am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year. If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing. Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations. Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek.  The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies?

What has changed is the Holiday period, Turnbull went in, was quiet for a bit, then started throwing out "positive" crap just before the break then buried tonnes of negative stuff in the break.

People have largely missed what actually went on in that break and the media is still basically cheerleading Turnbull.

Another point is the Public hates politics and when they don't have to think about it, polls are shown to climb, again, another advantage of a "positive" holiday period.

People simply haven't seen the actual policies yet and we still are in the political wind up period for the year, I suspect the poll numbers will vastly narrow in the coming months as people start to wake up again.

I'm not even saying Labor will win the next election, but it's going to be insanely close especially when people see Liberal policy.

Smell the desperation, righties. Smells like another term.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 1:54pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:09pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:17am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 8:13am: It appears that very few have twigged that Turnbull's policies are actually those of the the Liberal Party. and that will be turncoats demise. .... I feel sorry for him actually, if he does what he wants, the libs will ditch him, if he does what the libs want, the public will ditch him. He can't win the poor bloke Since you are a fan of fantasy rather than actual history let me illuminate you. Turnbull's first run at the job was a disaster. He tried to turn the Libs into the Turnbull party and was rewarded by dreadful polls. The moment Abbott took over and started actually speaking about Liberal policies his approval (and the polls soared). A smart person would realise that people want a Liberal PARTY rather than a specific leader. Turnbull is now very popular and the party as well by delivering the policies people actually want. I know you dont understand that since you only consider your own opinions, but it remains very true and will haunt the ALP through a massive election flogging later this year. If people were so enamoured of the libs policies, Abbotts ratings would never have dropped so low in the first place. Abbotts approval ratings collapsed because of the policies he was releasing. Turncoat got a boost based on peoples hopes for what might be, once people realise that turncoat is just another lackey with the same crap policies, his numbers will fall. You can pretend the numbers will remain as they are all you like, history has shown repeatedly that a new leader brings a boost, but that boost doesn't last if the leader doesn't live up to expectations. Observation and analysis of current history would lead you to the answer you seek.  The libs polls soared in just a week after Abbott was dumped with virtually no changes in policies. More importantly, they have remained high. So what was the problem? Abbott or the policies? What has changed is the Holiday period, Turnbull went in, was quiet for a bit, then started throwing out "positive" crap just before the break then buried tonnes of negative stuff in the break. People have largely missed what actually went on in that break and the media is still basically cheerleading Turnbull. Another point is the Public hates politics and when they don't have to think about it, polls are shown to climb, again, another advantage of a "positive" holiday period. People simply haven't seen the actual policies yet and we still are in the political wind up period for the year, I suspect the poll numbers will vastly narrow in the coming months as people start to wake up again. I'm not even saying Labor will win the next election, but it's going to be insanely close especially when people see Liberal policy.

I am tipping an increased majority. Shorten is a pitiful opponent and Turnbull is a formidable one.