A program of education and enlightenment for the "progressives".
Watch this space and enjoy.

Just a few minutes listening will teach our "progressives" the meaning of freedom in our western heritage and how not to fall in the trap of trying to shut down what you don't agree with by using disparaging labels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j6byb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kh677

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

Just a few minutes listening will teach our "progressives" the meaning of freedom in our western heritage and how not to fall in the trap of trying to shut down what you don't agree with by using disparaging labels. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j6byb http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kh677

Freedom may mean one can make up an opinion based on a wet dream they had, but it isn't recommended that one does so.  People are welcome to opinions, but prepare to be ridiculed of the opinion doesn't withstand evidentiary tests.  It's my freedom to do so, after all.

Have you listened alevine?

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Have you listened alevine?

I did boges.  Did you?

Now that's a silly question. How would I know what they're about if I didn't listen. I listen to most of those spots in fact.

You might have listened but I doubt you understand.

How about granting freedom from blather of the self righteous bone heads of the right.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

How about granting freedom from blather of the self righteous bone heads of the right.

that's one freedom we'll just have to do without

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

How about granting freedom from blather of the self righteous bone heads of the right.

your fine... no worries..

we all know you dont listen. to your superiors...thats why you cannot manage more than one line..

its your full vocabulary..... damn!

Scruton makes his case very clearly. It is refreshing to hear it spelled out so well. The trouble is that the time for such discussion is over. Its time for the non-Muslim world to kick a large amount of Muslim ass. And that should be just to get their attention before the real payback is delivered, which they deserve. The longer we put it off, the more obvious to them is our cowardice.

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

. to your superiors..

:D :D :D :D :D

issuevoter wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Scruton makes his case very clearly. It is refreshing to hear it spelled out so well. The trouble is that the time for such discussion is over. Its time for the non-Muslim world to kick a large amount of Muslim ass. And that should be just to get their attention before the real payback is delivered, which they deserve. The longer we put it off, the more obvious to them is our cowardice.

Correct!

Sweden has just started a Fightback that has the luvvies yelling blue murder.

"Sweden intends to kick out up to 80,000 migrants who arrived last year and have had their asylum application rejected, the country announced yesterday.

Interior Minister Anders Ygeman said the Swedish government had asked the police and authorities in charge of migrants to organise their removal".

link

Unfortunately this still means that many thousands of Muslims will still be allowed to remain in Sweden instead of where they ought to be - ie. in refugee camps waiting to be returned to their Middle Eastern homelands when it is safe to do so.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

Unfortunately this still means that many thousands of Muslims will still be allowed to remain in Sweden instead of where they ought to be - ie. in refugee camps waiting to be returned to their Middle Eastern homelands when it is safe to do so.

The West has bombed their homes into dust and destroyed their infrastructure. There is nothing to return to.

I foresee there will be a huge requirement for the West to supply money to restore housing and infrastructure in the regions that were being bombed as restitution for bombing them in the first instance, and as a bribe for refugees to return.

Reminds me of USA bombing Iraq chemical weapon factory in Iraq in 1990 which was demonstrated to be a powdered milk factory by CNN reporters on the ground.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

I foresee there will be a huge requirement for the West to supply money to restore housing and infrastructure in the regions that were being bombed as restitution for bombing them in the first instance, and as a bribe for refugees to return.

1. The West's taxpayers have been slaves to Foreign Aid since long before 'Iraq' and 'Saddam Hussein'. It'll be nothing new.

2. No refugees will be 'returning home' under any circumstances. They've had a taste of the privileges that come with living in Capitalist Western societies - and not even a crow-bar will now prise them off the Welfare Queues, and the Salvation Army Warehouses, and the cheap council flats, and 'their' city ghettoes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 1:34pm: I foresee there will be a huge requirement for the West to supply money to restore housing and infrastructure in the regions that were being bombed as restitution for bombing them in the first instance, and as a bribe for refugees to return. 1. The West's taxpayers have been slaves to Foreign Aid since long before 'Iraq' and 'Saddam Hussein'. It'll be nothing new. 2. No refugees will be 'returning home' under any circumstances. They've had a taste of the privileges that come with living in Capitalist Western societies - and not even a crow-bar will now prise them off the Welfare Queues, and the Salvation Army Warehouses, and the cheap council flats, and 'their' city ghettoes.

I perceive that Herbert has expertise as a life long welfare recipient.

Not as much as you Laugh, when you last draw a pay cheque and not a welfare cheque? ;)

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

Just a few minutes listening will teach our "progressives" the meaning of freedom in our western heritage and how not to fall in the trap of trying to shut down what you don't agree with by using disparaging labels. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j6byb http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kh677

Good find, bogarde73!!!

.MP3 links below...

Arguments in defence of the virtue of freedom of speech.
Arguing that truth could be easily silenced, if a society chooses to empower, in law, those who claim to be 'offended', by the expression of views and opinions which they do not endorse.
And arguing that truth could be easily silenced, if we give credence, to those who argue that it should be unlawful for [themselves, to be exposed to] the public expression of views and opinions which they do not endorse...

Roger Scruton: In Defence of Free Speech
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j6byb
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p0361hfd.mp3
Roger Scruton argues that the law on freedom of speech ought to protect those who express heretical views and not be used to close down debate.




The perversion and danger of self-censorship....

Roger Scruton: Offensive Jokes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06kh677
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p037769f.mp3
Roger Scruton says we must feel free to express opinions and to make jokes that others may find offensive; censoring them them only leads to a loss of reasoned argument.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Scruton makes his case very clearly. It is refreshing to hear it spelled out so well. The trouble is that the time for such discussion is over. Its time for the non-Muslim world to kick a large amount of Muslim ass. And that should be just to get their attention before the real payback is delivered, which they deserve. The longer we put it off, the more obvious to them is our cowardice.

issuevoter,

If we had the collective will, Western nations could turn around this problem [with ISLAM/moslems], 180 degrees, in less than 6 months.

If we had the collective will,       ....to do what is right.




There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be remedied, by doing what is right.
- ?