Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position.

The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration.

The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end.

National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth.

Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated.

Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease.

Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored.

The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people.

Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given.

Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered.

The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia.

The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed.

All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people.

Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws.

The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers.

The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister.

Have a share to inspire change.

1 thing needs to happen if Labor stands a chance of winning Government. Shorten has to go.

The Labor Party only offer a different rhetoric.  Different companies,  different rich people,  different shareholders.  Scrape away the rhetoric and it comes down to policy.  This is where the ALP fails. Apart from rhetoric the ALP offers nothing but different words and inferior policy,

.....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies.

......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out?

https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/1294-200.png

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

.....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/1294-200.png

yet the libs spending as a percentage of GDP is higher than labors  :D :D :D

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

.....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out?

Who has max out the credit card?

lets have a referendum on getting rid of the ALP and all its little subsidiaries...like unions..

get rid if the cronyism and jobs for the boys..


lets get back to having  two major POLITICAL  parties....who work for this country.

Hear hear codsy. I'm a blue collar worker.  I wish I had a party to vote for. As sure as s.h.i.t. stinks it aint the Labor party.

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

lets have a referendum on getting rid of the ALP and all its little subsidiaries...like unions.. get rid if the cronyism and jobs for the boys.. lets get back to having  two major POLITICAL  parties....who work for this country.

Yes, lets 'get back to having two major political parties' by removing the one which actually DOES work for the country.

You really don't think before you post, do you?

Bicycle Man hath spoken.

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change.

Post of the Month.

Couldn't agree more.

Won't happen with this Labor setup though - too right-wing.

Labor needs to have a good purge, and stop endorsing right-wing candidates.

double plus good wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

Bicycle Man hath spoken.

Yes, spoken* the truth.


*Typed the truth.

Abolish compulsory voting - no more servitude to major parties

Abolish the two party preferred system

Abolish the two major parties - they're way past their use-by date

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Abolish compulsory voting - no more servitude to major parties Abolish the two party preferred system Abolish the two major parties - they're way past their use-by date

Yeah, let's have a good old dictatorship.

It's what the right are working towards anyway.

you got a dictatorship now, the Lib Lab Globalist Humanist PC wan ker dictatorship

Are we trying for a list?

Abandon Affirmative Action.  Ditch enforced Fascist-Communist ideas like 50% representation on demand and allow the electorate to decide who they want.  If the party of the feminists must demand 50/50 - ensure it is even across all jobs - not just those that men do better.

Commit truthfully to a policy of no GST raise

Promise truthfully to cut back on politician entitlements, especially pension 'rights' which nobody else enjoys, and place them under the same regime for receipt of pension as everyone else.  (let's see who we get running then!).

Install a Federal ICAC.

Enshrine earned and paid for pension for everyone - and tax income above that for everyone in the same way according to the tax scales - no grandfathering.

Chop PPL - waste of money and middle and upper class welfare

Make companies pay tax on the same tax scale as everyone else on their EARNED Income (not gross profit - net profit).

Require that any company using a tax haven pay the difference here - or alternatively pay full tax here and claim it as a deduction in their tax haven.

Place a market price on any job moved off-shore.  You want livelihoods to be a disposable asset at the whim of the market - you pay market price for it HERE.

Install a National Superannuation Scheme that takes in current payments into the Pensions, and allow extra payments from those with the wherewithal up to a certain amount sufficient to replace pension,  but with no tax reduction thereafter, and retain Article 5 above.  You get more you pay tax on the extra....

Revert the 'education' system to one that gives merit to retained knowledge and genuine advanced thinking rather than rote.

Enforce pre-selection of a potential representative who has lived in the electorate for a considerable time and can fully promote the needs of that electorate rather than imposing party hacks from some sweetheart branch on that electorate without the leave of the people.  They who live by the agenda... will die by the agenda, and the time is coming fast under the current regime of two parties which are destroying this country.  (I notice Julia Gillard wanted that approach of local branch pre-selects their own, and no imposed by party HQ candidates.  I give credit where credit is due).

Forbid donations to election funds, and require that any and all donations fully supply affilliations and all other details, and this to be open to public scrutiny.  Better still - fund election campaigns for all equally, with no donations, and allow the people to decide.

There must be more - it's been a hard day packing up to move and I'm sure the rest of you can help this along...

Kat wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Abolish compulsory voting - no more servitude to major parties Abolish the two party preferred system Abolish the two major parties - they're way past their use-by date Yeah, let's have a good old dictatorship. It's what the right are working towards anyway.

Vote 1 - Grappler for President with absolute power.... there will be no corruption in any government I lead....

Kat wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Post of the Month. Couldn't agree more. Won't happen with this Labor setup though - too right-wing. Labor needs to have a good purge, and stop endorsing right-wing candidates.

Fascists by any other name - doesn't matter if they are 'socialist' or even 'communist' -  who imagine in their wildest delusions that being elected gives them total power to do and have whatever they want.  No wonder they call them Feminazis.... and Feminazi running dogs.....

If only they knew the truth of their behaviour....... I do .. seen it many times in the Third World.......

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card?

Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::)

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::)

But Joe abandoned the ceiling and then spent like a sailor on speed..... perfect credentials for our next Ambassador to the United States....

Man's an nice person 1d10t with a degree..... amazing how easy money changes people's views....

"gotta fly QANTAS... yeah..QANTAS... five time five makes twenty five.... square root of twenty five is five.... always get my underpants from K-Mart..... and six fish sticks........ make that budget balance..... 25 times 10 is 250... countin' cards... yeah.. yeah.... florty times pension reduction makes eight.... square root of eight is... wait a minute....  yeah.. QANTAS....  aahhhhh ahhhhhhh.. not on a local airline....QANTAS... errrh errrh, errrrhh... won't balance ... eeeeerh... eeeeeerh"

"OH - FSS - SHUT UP, RAIN MAN!"

double plus good wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Hear hear codsy. I'm a blue collar worker.  I wish I had a party to vote for. As sure as s.h.i.t. stinks it aint the Labor party.

Hence, you vote for copper internet: yeh,  :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?

double plus good wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

The Labor Party only offer a different rhetoric.  Different companies,  different rich people,  different shareholders.  Scrape away the rhetoric and it comes down to policy.  This is where the ALP fails. Apart from rhetoric the ALP offers nothing but different words and inferior policy,

So, that's why you voted for copper internet ?

::) ::)

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

1 thing needs to happen if Labor stands a chance of winning Government. Shorten has to go.

Nah, copper internet means he wins in any scenario!

No liberal voter is proud of copper internet: not one  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Dude,  not everything's about copper internet.

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/1294-200.png yet the libs spending as a percentage of GDP is higher than labors  :D :D :D

Because of spending locked in (Abbott-proofed) by Labor and a long list of under-funded projects that the Coalition had no choice but to commit more funding to. Also, there's the Labor debt that wasn't being repaid by Labor, so now this government is having to increase the amount it is repaying. All this adds up to higher spending and it is all due to Labor's fiscal and policy incompetence. The truth hurts, don't it, losers?

double plus good wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

Dude,  not everything's about copper internet.

DRAH is off his/her meds. Take no notice of them.

There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide.

Bring back the carbon levy and the MRRT, and start forcing corporates to pay their share, and we could afford it tomorrow.

I believe we CAN afford it NOW, but the money's being misdirected.

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::)

What was the gross debt when labor got voted out in 2013 and what is the gross debt now. Why do you RWNJ blame everything on labor? Aren't you man enough to take responsibility for liberal government action.

We see how good you are swaggie and see if you complain about this.

I bet you don't as the Job Network set up was Howard baby



One of mates had a  appointment with his Job Network "employment consultant" took 4min 20secs from start to finish and for that they get paid how much? $190 from the Government???? Australia 'the land of white collar crime'.

If he seen a average of 12 unemployed people a hour that would work out at $2280.00. Not a bad hourly rate of pay is it

Labor voter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:18am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::) What was the gross debt when labor got voted out in 2013 and what is the gross debt now. Why do you RWNJ blame everything on labor? Aren't you man enough to take responsibility for liberal government action. We see how good you are swaggie and see if you complain about this. I bet you don't as the Job Network set up was Howard baby One of mates had a  appointment with his Job Network "employment consultant" took 4min 20secs from start to finish and for that they get paid how much? $190 from the Government???? Australia 'the land of white collar crime'. If he seen a average of 12 unemployed people a hour that would work out at $2280.00. Not a bad hourly rate of pay is it

Debt 2007: -$22bn
Debt 2013: +$300bn

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:47am: Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:18am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::) What was the gross debt when labor got voted out in 2013 and what is the gross debt now. Why do you RWNJ blame everything on labor? Aren't you man enough to take responsibility for liberal government action. We see how good you are swaggie and see if you complain about this. I bet you don't as the Job Network set up was Howard baby One of mates had a  appointment with his Job Network "employment consultant" took 4min 20secs from start to finish and for that they get paid how much? $190 from the Government???? Australia 'the land of white collar crime'. If he seen a average of 12 unemployed people a hour that would work out at $2280.00. Not a bad hourly rate of pay is it Debt 2007: -$22bn Debt 2013: +$300bn

What is the debt in 2015?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

Because of spending locked in (Abbott-proofed) by Labor and a long list of under-funded projects that the Coalition had no choice but to commit more funding to.

you just make this up as you go don't you? If Abbott thought there was really a budget emergency, what stopped him holding a mini budget as soon as he won office so he could reverse some of that spending? The fact remains that the libs are generally consistently higher spenders than labor.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:47am: Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:18am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::) What was the gross debt when labor got voted out in 2013 and what is the gross debt now. Why do you RWNJ blame everything on labor? Aren't you man enough to take responsibility for liberal government action. We see how good you are swaggie and see if you complain about this. I bet you don't as the Job Network set up was Howard baby One of mates had a  appointment with his Job Network "employment consultant" took 4min 20secs from start to finish and for that they get paid how much? $190 from the Government???? Australia 'the land of white collar crime'. If he seen a average of 12 unemployed people a hour that would work out at $2280.00. Not a bad hourly rate of pay is it Debt 2007: -$22bn Debt 2013: +$300bn

Armie, you really are a dildo. Why are you comparing the 2007 net debt with the 2013 gross debt. FYI net debt 2013 = $165 billion. 2015 figures aren't released yet but government bonds on issue minus inputs are just a tad under $350 billion. The official numbers will come out soon enough.

In any case, direct comparisons of value are meaningless over a time span of eight years. Even you must realise that the economy is much larger today than it was in 2007.

Comparisons to GDP are much more useful. In tough times why are people complaining about debt levels of a paltry percentage of national production.

Armie, do us a favour and go buy yourself an introductory macro textbook.

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change.

Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'.

Actually, it refers to ALL of those things.

Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read?

No, I didn't think so.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'.

Smell the fear

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? https://d30y9cdsu7xlg0.cloudfront.net/png/1294-200.png yet the libs spending as a percentage of GDP is higher than labors  :D :D :D

...and you are going to provide data to prove this little theory of yours ay Smithy?  :D

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so.

So where are the references to WORK?

Its time wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:51am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Smell the fear

With the polls currently tracking to a massacre of Labor at the next election, that is perhaps the silliest think you could say.

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so.

She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:48am:

There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide.

Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. :( :( :(

crocodile wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

Kat wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:49am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so. She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth.

The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero  references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism.  It was utterly worthless.

Labor voter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change.

Not much to disagree with there.

A few points, including some new ones that you haven't included:

For the $110 billion, some of that money could reasonably be spent on reducing the company tax rate. Any reduction in the company tax rate must be fully funded by axing tax breaks, concessions etc that those companies receive. Reductions in the company tax rate must not be funded by other taxpayers or by cutting services.

Crack down on multinational tax avoidance by making sure that profits earned in Australia are taxed in Australia.

Introduce a minimum company tax rate of 1% of company turnover as a flat tax that is not reducible by deductions. Any extra revenue raised by that tax can be used to fund grants to the States in exchange for abolishing payroll tax, with any additional funds used to reduce the company tax rate on company profits and to balance the Budget.

Private health insurers must be removed from GPs as well.

The network of private employment service providers must be abolished, and this is done by giving them no new contracts. Starve these beasts.

Abolish 457 visas.

Crack down on crime, corruption and misconduct by launching three separate Royal Commissions into private employment service providers, the banking and finance industry and the construction and property development industry.

The treatment of refugees must be in accordance with treaties to which Australia is a signatory and international law. Not the UDHR, that is not legally binding.

Labor voter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:55am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:47am: Swagman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:18am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:16pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:11pm: .....the same old tired politics of envy, pork barreling policies. ......just how will it fund it's usual spendathon with the national credit card already maxed out? Who has max out the credit card? Friggin Labor did or are you only 2 years old... ::) What was the gross debt when labor got voted out in 2013 and what is the gross debt now. Why do you RWNJ blame everything on labor? Aren't you man enough to take responsibility for liberal government action. We see how good you are swaggie and see if you complain about this. I bet you don't as the Job Network set up was Howard baby One of mates had a  appointment with his Job Network "employment consultant" took 4min 20secs from start to finish and for that they get paid how much? $190 from the Government???? Australia 'the land of white collar crime'. If he seen a average of 12 unemployed people a hour that would work out at $2280.00. Not a bad hourly rate of pay is it Debt 2007: -$22bn Debt 2013: +$300bn What is the debt in 2015?

The final budget outcome for 2013 was $153B debt.

The projected total for 15/16 is $278B debt. (optimistic).

macman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:48am: There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide. Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. :( :( :(

At this stage Shorten and Labor probably need to keep their dollars in the bank. Unlike Abbott they do not have a media propaganda machine behind them working for free.

Additional -

Investment in public transport should be done, but not if it means neglecting roads. That would be no better than Abbott's jihad against urban rail. We also need to consider bike paths.

All transport projects must be considered on their merits, and no proposal for transport infrastructure should be rejected on ideological grounds. A balanced approach is best.

The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

macman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:20am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:48am: There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide. Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. :( :( :( At this stage Shorten and Labor probably need to keep their dollars in the bank. Unlike Abbott they do not have a media propaganda machine behind them working for free.

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bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.

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bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.

yes

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

crocodile wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:18am: Kat wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:49am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so. She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth. The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero  references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism.  It was utterly worthless.

You really are clueless, aren't you?

That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed.

You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long.

Wake up, or p1ss off.

Kat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:21am: crocodile wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:18am: Kat wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:49am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so. She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth. The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero  references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism.  It was utterly worthless. You really are clueless, aren't you? That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed. You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long. Wake up, or p1ss off.

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:25am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:21am: crocodile wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:18am: Kat wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:49am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:38am: Labor voter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:05pm: Not looking for a party to immitate the great Australian Labor Party. Just waiting for the "true believers" to duly advance their position. The Australian Labor Party must build its 2016/17 election platform based on restoration. The $110 Billion in taxpayer paid subsidies, concessions, and tax breaks to international corporations, big business, and the wealthy, must end. National and multi-national corporations must publicly disclose all tax liabilities to the Commonwealth. Medicare must be fully funded, with a National Dental Care system initiated. Private Health Insurers must be removed from the Public Hospital system, and Private Health Insurance rebates costing taxpayers $6 billion annually must cease. Commonwealth funding to Public Schools, TAFE Centres, and Australian Universities must be fully restored. The Commonwealth Employment Service must be rebuilt, and private employment providers must be held accountable for the $billions of taxpayer dollars defrauded from the people. Commonwealth Social Security Services and Programs, must be re-opened, and a commitment to a National Living Wage given. Investment in public transport infrastructure, including high speed rail, must be a priority, and national assets such as Labor's NBN, must be recovered. The treatment of refugees, and individuals seeking asylum in Australia, must be in accordance with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and all processing must take place on mainland Australia. The legal, and civil rights of all Australian citizens, seriously eroded by newly enacted counter terrorism laws, must be restored and guaranteed. All remote aboriginal communities closed by Liberal State governments must be re-opened, and all lands seized for mining exploration must be returned to the care of local indigenous people. Indigenous Australians must be treated with all due dignity and respect, as the true custodians of this nation, and this must be reflected in Australia's constitution, legislation and by-laws. The Australian Labor Party, must develop a program of modern 21st century socialism in order to compete internationally, and to protect Australia's national assets from the neo-liberal free market racketeers. The Australian people are calling for restoration, equity, and justice. The leader that has the fortitude to act, will become Australia's next Labor Prime Minister. Have a share to inspire change. Blah Blah Blah.  Not one iota of reference to work, innovation, committment, duty and responsibility. It is all about 'gimme more'. Actually, it refers to ALL of those things. Did you ever learn to comprehend what you read? No, I didn't think so. She actually does have a good point. You'd do well to acknowledge it. There is little mention about important issues like reversing the appallingly low figures on productivity growth which feeds directly into real wages growth. The entire rant is nothing more than ideology writ large. There are zero  references to the responsibility of the individual; no discussion on work or innovation and no talk of unity - other than under International Socialism.  It was utterly worthless. You really are clueless, aren't you? That's not socialism, airhead, it's merely restoring the status quo that the LNP destroyed. You wouldn't have a clue what socialism actually is, you've been listening to right-wingers and Yanks for too long. Wake up, or p1ss off. So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

I don't see you making a contribution. As usual, you're just sniping at others from the sidelines.

Tragic history?  ;D

The Libs are literally the most incompetent sacks of poo this country has ever seen, they had basically one good period of Government because they fell into a Mining Boom that Keating set up and even then they spend a decade destroying every revenue stream and creating disasters left and right. The MTM NBN is the single largest infrastructure disaster in this countries history by a mile.

You could elect a bunch of Chimpanzees and they would do a better job than the Libs. The only reason Libs are even still a thing is because of a sycophantic media who treats them like precious children who can't take any real criticism, this is how things that Labor did (that weren't even negative) almost a decade ago are still brought up in the mainstream media, while the Libs pissing away hundreds of billions on MTM is 100% gagged in the media.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort.

So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ?

Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ?

Maria is just a paid liberal party shill.

The "innovation" agenda is hilariously stupid considering the Libs ripped hundreds of billions of dollars of investment into R&D out of the country, basically destroyed the CSIRO and doomed us to communications technology that was rolled out in other countries in the mid 90s for the next few decades.

Maria spouts innovation because she has been dictated by her Liberal Party office to use "Innovation" in her posts as that is the liberal party PR buzzword at the moment. Anyone who thinks the Libs give a crap about "innovation" while sucking off old landed industries at expense of everyone else is an idiot.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ?

And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards.

Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Labor only need to sit back and watch internal division in the Libs cause them to fall in a heap , the end .

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:42am: macman wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:20am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:48am: There are some good things on the list but it is not affordable in the short term but it does look like a good long term guide. Agreed DNA.I think all Labor has to do for now is continue to release their policies and highlight the inept performance of the coalition. There is enough ammunition there but doubt Shorties ability to use it effectively. :( :( :( At this stage Shorten and Labor probably need to keep their dollars in the bank. Unlike Abbott they do not have a media propaganda machine behind them working for free. Silly picture of Maria crying here.

Just an obvious fact. I know you don't like those.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

thats a bit unfair... everything that labor did only created pockets of TEMPORARY employment... nothing that was mean to last....

pinkbatts and greenloans was all temporary all paid by "welfare".

all temporary public servants....

propping a dying industry up....AUstralian car manufacturing..... is more of the same thing..

creating an illusion about full [/i[i]employment.....delaying the inevitable  ::)

doesnt make it so!

Alternatively, those Labor people who don't read much, and there must be a few, could watch reruns of The Block for 10 years or so.

Its time wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Labor only need to sit back and watch internal division in the Libs cause them to fall in a heap , the end .

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in.

Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at.

Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So too with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them;  can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

;D ;D ;D    GILLIANRUDDS Pet Irishman was on  457 visa  wonker   >:(

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So to with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them;  can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

you are the first lefty I have read who sees them for what they are..

and recognises the way they are heading is the wrong way..

you cannot have a group of unelected people  controlling the govt....

gweg has pointed out on many occasions the labor party was founded by the unions....it was then and is now...really a UNION PARTY..... and no matter what!!! they the Labor party owe the UNIONS....big time..

so it is never going to be free.......

I think it will be crushed under the weight of the past...

teddybear wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. ;D ;D ;D    GILLIANRUDDS Pet Irishman was on  457 visa  wonker   >:(

so true.... and what a waste of space he turned out to be.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

we are probably still paying out his contract.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation.

Quite the creative retelling of history. Given that the entire world had very high unemployment and inflation, perhaps you are attributing just a tad too much to one person - Howard.

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long.

Unemployment DROPPING, GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Deficit dropping.

Not bad results at all.

double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony.

Who would you suggest?


double plus good wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So too with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them;  can't see myself voting ALP any time soon..

Why only union bosses though? If a party only focused on union bosses, they would be ignoring more than 99% of the corruption in this country.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING,

Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed.


mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds.

Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth.


mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:35am:

Deficit dropping.

Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:39pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation. Quite the creative retelling of history. Given that the entire world had very high unemployment and inflation, perhaps you are attributing just a tad too much to one person - Howard.

lol, here we go  ::)

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:18am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:09am: Labor need to dump Dollar Bill and replace him with someone who isn't a union crony. While they're at it, they need to put the union bosses in their places. So to with the loony Greens. For anyone's information, I'm a union member and a once loyal Labor voter. Fed up with them;  can't see myself voting ALP any time soon.. you are the first lefty I have read who sees them for what they are.. and recognises the way they are heading is the wrong way.. you cannot have a group of unelected people  controlling the govt.... gweg has pointed out on many occasions the labor party was founded by the unions....it was then and is now...really a UNION PARTY..... and no matter what!!! they the Labor party owe the UNIONS....big time.. so it is never going to be free....... I think it will be crushed under the weight of the past...

--> cods forgets what international mining giants do for a crust ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:35am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 11:39pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. The Liberals never cared less about employment until they accidentally had high employment happen to them under Howard, in fact when treasurer Howard deliberately drove high unemployment in the belief that creating a large pool of unemployed would drive down wage demand and break the stagflation cycle. Unfortunately if failed to work so we got high unemployment + stagflation. thats a bit unfair... everything that labor did only created pockets of TEMPORARY employment... nothing that was mean to last.... pinkbatts and greenloans was all temporary all paid by "welfare". all temporary public servants.... propping a dying industry up....AUstralian car manufacturing..... is more of the same thing.. creating an illusion about full [/i[i]employment.....delaying the inevitable  ::) doesnt make it so!

You should be on TV with analytical skills like that: maybe even a newspaper column  ;D ;D

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish.

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

The best thing for Labor to do at this point in their tragic history is to go away, curl up with a good book and come back in 10 years when the people might have forgotten what a bunch of dills they are.

Says the bloke who knows the official emblem of the "L"  ::) ::) iberal Party is actually an elephant.

http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB15y0EIFXXXXb8XXXXq6xXFXXXA/Exquisite-Cute-Chinese-Copper-Elephant-Statue.jpg

Bam, the OP is what the ALP should do. I'm  voting for the Libs. I don't  care if the Labor Party wants to take notice  of a disgruntled ex-Labor voter. Go after the votes of inner city hipsters and gays. See if i care.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

Labors last budget in the final budget outcome came in at $18B, The MYFEO is optimistically projecting this budget 2015/16 to end up at around $38B.

Yes the Liberals have improved the deficit by more than double.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:56pm: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended. Labors last budget in the final budget outcome came in at $18B, The MYFEO is optimistically projecting this budget 2015/16 to end up at around $38B. Yes the Liberals have improved the deficit by more than double.

And conveniently forgets all the preceding budget deficits that far exceed the current one. Also ignores the fact that as much as $12B of the budget payments were artificially put off to be included in the next year. That would be why the only year you quote is the only relatively good results in 7 years.

Selective quoting - a typical Labor reporting style.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended.

You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:56pm: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended. You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

I just look at the posters name before its dismissed , i dont need any link  :D

Bam wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:56pm: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended. You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you.

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow

how would you know? you've never once posted a link to prove anything ..... you just flap your gums, make crap up  and hope everyone believes you. Then use the 'everytime i post evidence you don't believe it anyway' excuse


funnily enough, longy used to use the same tactic :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site.

2008 +21B (Surplus)
2009 -27B    GFC
2010 -54B  GFC + $42B stimulus spend.
2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2)
2012 -43B
2013 -18B

Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits.

2014 -48.5B  (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending).
2015 -37.9B  (Started to reign in their excesses)
2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance)

So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited.

Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

While stumbling around in the 2016 budget paters I stumbled onto this: it is part of a table showing a structural deficit emerging from 2007. I seem to recall most conservative posters claiming that there is no such thing. Apparently the current government do not agree with this they are also pointing the finger at the Howard governments error.


Structural budget balance estimates
Month-Year      Structural budget balance      
2004-05               1.3
2005-06             1.2      
2006-07             0.5      
2007-08            -0.2      
2008-09            -3.6      
2009-10            -4.8      
2010-11            -4.4      
2011-12            -4.3      
2012-13            -2.1      
2013-14            -3.6      
2014-15            -2.3      
2015-16            -1.7      

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:55am: You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity? Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site. 2008 +21B (Surplus) 2009 -27B    GFC 2010 -54B  GFC + $42B stimulus spend. 2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2) 2012 -43B 2013 -18B Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits. 2014 -48.5B  (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending). 2015 -37.9B  (Started to reign in their excesses) 2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance) So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited. Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

How could this be righties, doubling the budget deficit, in 6months, with no GFC, did somebody say the Adults are in charge, in charge of spending all the money like drunken sailors .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_RWtdm81WU

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:56pm: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Bam wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 8:41am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:37pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm: So, no reference to work then? or innovation or anything regarding personal effort. So now we have personal effort as a function of government policy ? Talking about innovation while supporting a government that has done nothing but to squash it  ? And there is your lazy left-wing policythink in operation. Work is an after-thought. Effort is what rich people do so that you can hate them because of their rewards. Job-creation is a high priority for government policy. And just so as you are aware, PERSONAL EFFORT is part of the whol job thing that so few on here seem to have much experience in. Which your Liberal paymasters have utterly failed at. Jobs being shifted offshore at record rates, 457 visas being handed out like confetti, less job security than ever, record high numbers of casual employees, growing numbers of long-term unemployed and lowest wages growth in over 50 years. The Liberals list of failures in employment is long. Unemployment DROPPING, Still higher than 2013 and long term unemployment has skyrocketed. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: GDP growth continuing despite the huge global economic headwinds. Very sluggish economic growth that barely keeps pace with population growth. mariacostel wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:35am: Deficit dropping. Simply not true. Stop making up rubbish. EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies. The deficit IS dropping. You seem to forget the size of some of the Labor-era deficits, all obtained during a mining boom that has now ended. You seem to forget that if you don't post links, nobody will believe you. You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity?

You're posting from an obvious sock account because your main account got banned. You're not in any position to be criticising the integrity of others.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:02am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:55am: You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity? Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site. 2008 +21B (Surplus) 2009 -27B    GFC 2010 -54B  GFC + $42B stimulus spend. 2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2) 2012 -43B 2013 -18B Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits. 2014 -48.5B  (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending). 2015 -37.9B  (Started to reign in their excesses) 2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance) So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited. Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure.

Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:02am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:55am: You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity? Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site. 2008 +21B (Surplus) 2009 -27B    GFC 2010 -54B  GFC + $42B stimulus spend. 2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2) 2012 -43B 2013 -18B Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits. 2014 -48.5B  (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending). 2015 -37.9B  (Started to reign in their excesses) 2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance) So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited. Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure. Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget.

The post following the one you have commented on shows the structural deficit.

I think you would understand that the budget bottom line has no option but to have already factored all of that into the equation.

Benefits from the mining boom continuing were overshadowed by the GFC and the mining boom was always going to come to an end eventually that is why Howard and Costello should not have locked the need for the income from it into Australia's budget bottom line.

This problem you point out is in fact Howards structural deficit, he locked spending into his budget expectation based on income that was never going to be there.

Yes Howard and Costello's error has bitten the Abbott / Turnbull government on the bum.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget.

so you admit you made it up when you said


mariacostel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

EXACTLY THE SAME AS 2013. It was rising rapidly then and the Libs got it under control and now it is dropping. Why dont you stop your lies.

:D :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:21pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:02am: mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 7:55am: You seem to forget that even if I do, fools like DNA and JS will not believe them anyhow. Besides, do you really need a link to remember the 6 consecutive Labor deficits? Is your memory as bad as your integrity? Budget final results from Australian Government budget web site. 2008 +21B (Surplus) 2009 -27B    GFC 2010 -54B  GFC + $42B stimulus spend. 2011 -47B Additional stimulus spending (Phase 2) 2012 -43B 2013 -18B Here we see the impact of the GFC followed by decreasing deficits. 2014 -48.5B  (result of cutting back income and uncontrolled spending). 2015 -37.9B  (Started to reign in their excesses) 2016 -38B projected. (still poor performance) So we look at the raw facts and it does not look impressive for the Liberals. They took power and went on a spending spree. The position today is that they seem to have somewhat arrested their deficit at a level $20 B above what they inherited. Hardly impressive and there are no excuses for this failure. Are you going to factor in the mining boom of the labor years and how the current government is down $35B annually in mining revenue? Take that into account and we have an almost balanced budget. The post following the one you have commented on shows the structural deficit. I think you would understand that the budget bottom line has no option but to have already factored all of that into the equation. Benefits from the mining boom continuing were overshadowed by the GFC and the mining boom was always going to come to an end eventually that is why Howard and Costello should not have locked the need for the income from it into Australia's budget bottom line. This problem you point out is in fact Howards structural deficit, he locked spending into his budget expectation based on income that was never going to be there. Yes Howard and Costello's error has bitten the Abbott / Turnbull government on the bum.

Ah... the structural deficit - the deficit you imagine to exist when a real one wont appear.

You should take your show on the road.