Ben Roberts-Smith has been the poster boy for a few years now.  Not long ago VC winners were soft spoken, unassuming people who had everyone's respect including mine.

Not so anymore.  He has been wheeled out like the STIG for a variety of causes and occasions.  Carefully choreographed pics like this do not help.  WTF?

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/02/29/1226285/626515-ben-roberts-smith.jpg

Sir Booby will be here any minute now.

Not devalued; revalued and re-assigned. It will now be awarded to military personnel that come out with extra pips for bravery in the face of gender re-ass-ignment.

Victoria Cross has been franchised out to Victoria's Secret. It signifies respect to all the gay and transgender military personnel.

Be prepared for Victoria Cross recipients being paraded around near naked; including the dead.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Victoria Cross has been franchised out to Victoria's Secret. It signifies respect to all the gay and transgender military personnel. Be prepared for Victoria Cross recipients being paraded around near naked; including the dead.

As I said, Sir Booby will be here any minute now.

once again the USUAL non achievers for the forum come out to knock those who have put their lives on the line for Australia and that of those cowards hiding on internet forums knocking others that give them freedom of speech..

gutless dickheads..  >:(

Wow, so you think it's all good playing male model in a pool?

random wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Wow, so you think it's all good playing male model in a pool?

he's done his time..

what have you done you gutless turd?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

once again the USUAL non achievers for the forum come out to knock those who have put their lives on the line for Australia and that of those cowards hiding on internet forums knocking others that give them freedom of speech.. gutless dickheads..  >:(

Stoppit you're killing me!

Your confession is noted. The truth will set you free.

Please report to Aquascoot for retraining as a horse semen harvester and equine excrement shoveler.

Of the last couple of VC winners, Mechanic, why is he being paraded around?  Vic Payne never did that.  Also, even he says he did nothing more than his mates would have done in the same scenario.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm: Wow, so you think it's all good playing male model in a pool? he's done his time.. what have you done you gutless turd?

I was wondering if they had a few brave men to choose from (and there would be), if they chose the most photogenic?  Someone to fit the marketing plan they had written.  You know to do this stuff ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6045436-3x2-940x627.jpg

It can only happen in a globalist Lib Lab Soviet society

They should give them a Gucci handbag instead of a cheap brass medal.

I didn't know you had to be softly spoken to win a VC. I guess that's just the military for you.

random wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:22pm: random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm: Wow, so you think it's all good playing male model in a pool? he's done his time.. what have you done you gutless turd? I was wondering if they had a few brave men to choose from (and there would be), if they chose the most photogenic?  Someone to fit the marketing plan they had written.  You know to do this stuff ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6045436-3x2-940x627.jpg

In no way shape or form am I detracting that this bloke did not do his job.  He clearly did.  Just like his mates would have done in the same situation.

However, if he (or anyone) does not understand that he is being politically manipulated (maybe he does....I hope so.....and gets the financial rewards) as a propaganda trophy ....well...... w anker........he (and everyone) is/are delusional.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:06pm: Victoria Cross has been franchised out to Victoria's Secret. It signifies respect to all the gay and transgender military personnel. Be prepared for Victoria Cross recipients being paraded around near naked; including the dead. As I said, Sir Booby will be here any minute now.

So you are aligning yourself with that ratbag?

This was the one I meant to post.

Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits FFS.

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

I didn't know you had to be softly spoken to win a VC. I guess that's just the military for you.

and I take it we should be ashamed of them and hide them away until one day they die.. and someone says OH LOOK there is a new VC medal  in the  War Memorial with the name Ben Roberts-Smith... why on earth didnt we know this guy when he was alive???>...

because we hide our real HERO"S..


that way its easier to worship those who play footy [ trueblue heros]because we know they have feet of clay and end up looking more like us, than the likes of real VC winners...

Ben hang your head in shame mate...

you shouldnt be on show...we only do real HERO"S after they die..

random wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg

so what of it sock?

that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces...

that pic is just the norm...

But you didn't make random jealous.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:55pm: This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg so what of it sock? that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces... that pic is just the norm...

this man would have done it IN FULL KIT...maybe even carrying a wounded mate lets see these little narks do that... >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:37pm: I didn't know you had to be softly spoken to win a VC. I guess that's just the military for you. and I take it we should be ashamed of them and hide them away until one day they die.. and someone says OH LOOK there is a new VC medal  in the  War Memorial with the name Ben Roberts-Smith... why on earth didnt we know this guy when he was alive???>... because we hide our real HERO"S.. that way its easier to worship those who play footy [ trueblue heros]because we know they have feet of clay and end up looking more like us, than the likes of real VC winners... Ben hang your head in shame mate... you shouldnt be on show...we only do real HERO"S after they die..

Nah cods.  Get out of the schmedia fluffery.  VC winners are not supposed to be trophies of the Government.  It ought be a private thing. They are manipulating this bloke and his tattoed finely tuned body........why, cods?

There has been another VC winner since this muscled w anker.  How come we never hear from him, cods?  Do you think it might have anything to do with his mere physical stature?

His name is Daniel Keighran, and he is a bloke of (comparatively not so) small stature and is smart (or maybe that is ....dumb) enough not to be paraded around as a trophy of Australia.

The guy has likely killed muslim terrorists, thats something that a lefty can never forgive.  :(

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:13pm:

The guy has likely killed muslim terrorists, thats something that a lefty can never forgive.  :(

oh i hadnt thought of that....

of course if he was kissing shortarses arse he would be A>OK...well for a little while like Peter Garrett.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. when the shine wears off...

they find rotten maggots  underneath they soon split.

Quote:

Roberts-Smith was deployed to Afghanistan on six occasions, in 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2012.... Victoria Cross for Australia For most conspicuous gallantry in action in circumstances of extreme peril on 11 June 2010, while deployed on Operation SLIPPER, Afghanistan.[4] Medal for Gallantry For gallantry in action in hazardous circumstances as a patrol sniper while deployed on Operation SLIPPER, Afghanistan, May–September 2006.[4] Commendation for Distinguished Service For distinguished performance of duty in warlike operations as a patrol commander with the Special Operations Task Group on Operation SLIPPER.[10] Australian Active Service Medal with clasps for EAST TIMOR,[4] ICAT and IRAQ 2003 International Force East Timor Medal (INTERFET) Afghanistan Medal Operation SLIPPER Iraq Medal Operation CATALYST Australian Service Medal with clasp for CT/SR (Counter Terrorism / Special Recovery) Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal 2012[18] Defence Long Service Medal For 15 Years' Service Australian Defence Medal United Nations Medal with UNAMET ribbon for active service in Timor-Leste (East Timor) NATO Medal for the Non-Article 5 ISAF Operation in Afghanistan with Unit Citation for Gallantry with Federation Star[19] [19 Meritorious Unit Citation with Federation Star Special Operations Task Group (Task Force 66)[20] Infantry Combat Badge

oh dear..

any wonder the forum welfare loafers are humiliated..  :-[

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:13pm: The guy has likely killed muslim terrorists, thats something that a lefty can never forgive.  :( oh i hadnt thought of that.... of course if he was kissing shortarses arse he would be A>OK...well for a little while like Peter Garrett.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. when the shine wears off... they find rotten maggots  underneath they soon split.

cods.....when was he 'kissing' the arse of Shorten, or even asked to 'kiss' the arse of Shorten?

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:04pm: random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:55pm: This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg so what of it sock? that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces... that pic is just the norm... this man would have done it IN FULL KIT...maybe even carrying a wounded mate lets see these little narks do that... >:( >:( >:(

I think you are full of it.  Pics of soldiers, shirts off doing the same thing.  Standing by ....

random wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:10pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:04pm: random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:55pm: This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg so what of it sock? that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces... that pic is just the norm... this man would have done it IN FULL KIT...maybe even carrying a wounded mate lets see these little narks do that... >:( >:( >:( I think you are full of it and emotional.  Pics of soldiers, shirts off doing the same thing.  Standing by ....

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:13pm: The guy has likely killed muslim terrorists, thats something that a lefty can never forgive.  :( oh i hadnt thought of that.... of course if he was kissing shortarses arse he would be A>OK...well for a little while like Peter Garrett.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. when the shine wears off... they find rotten maggots  underneath they soon split.

The evolutionary path that the left follows demands that they hate the military, the left has no regards for borders, its leftist brain is telling it that the best way forward for its own survival is to join with like minded people of other cultures rather than the whole of the people within its own borders.

In that regard they will support the people that kill their own warriors as long as those people follow the same leftist evolutionary path, once upon a time that support was thrown behind the communists but now its fairly and squarely thrown behind radical islam.


The left fear competition and would rather surrender any day than fight, this is why they want to capitulate to the muslim because not only do they then not have to fight ( their worse nightmare )  but also by joining forces with the muslim they can defeat their other one true nightmare the highly competitive capitalistic system, a system that they cannot compete in, cannot advance in, and therefore dread. 

And the dumb sheeple of the planet have bought the supplied story of left/right extremism.  Easily spotted.

Not yet - but they're working on it.

Like photo ops for politicians, it has become a political football.. shameful, really.

This is not to denigrate those who've earned it.. but it has been a political football since Vietnam.... sorry 'bout that......

Again - those who've received it don't consider themselves extraordinary - they know their mates would do the same under the circumstances and that any award is for the unit as a whole.  They also suspect politics is behind it, but, like Peter Cosgrove as G-G, they can fit that into their creed of being non-political.


"Our hearts are pure - it's the politicians who've screwed us all." - anonymous 101st Airborne Trooper, Vietnam 1969.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:55pm: This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg so what of it sock? that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces... that pic is just the norm...

I carried a wounded guy up a steep slope in a valley too narrow for 'dustoff'.. recovery by APC.. I also walked two miles on a bunged up knee that took three years to get over.... that's serious sh!t.... and I never talk about it..... my ex-wife and mother of my children knows nothing about it.... only that I was first out the door of the chopper, from the jump seat behind the door gunner.....

Well... hardly.... talk.. about.. it.........

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:20pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:13pm: The guy has likely killed muslim terrorists, thats something that a lefty can never forgive.  :( oh i hadnt thought of that.... of course if he was kissing shortarses arse he would be A>OK...well for a little while like Peter Garrett.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. when the shine wears off... they find rotten maggots  underneath they soon split. The evolutionary path that the left follows demands that they hate the military, the left has no regards for borders, its leftist brain is telling it that the best way forward for its own survival is to join with like minded people of other cultures rather than the whole of the people within its own borders. In that regard they will support the people that kill their own warriors as long as those people follow the same leftist evolutionary path, once upon a time that support was thrown behind the communists but now its fairly and squarely thrown behind radical islam. The left fear competition and would rather surrender any day than fight, this is why they want to capitulate to the muslim because not only do they then not have to fight ( their worse nightmare )  but also by joining forces with the muslim they can defeat their other one true nightmare the highly competitive capitalistic system, a system that they cannot compete in, cannot advance in, and therefore dread.

I'm supposed to be left of the Dalai Lama - how does that fit in?  ::)

This strand needs to move to Politicians Suck - not VC winners are whatever.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 10:04pm: random wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:55pm: This was the one I meant to post. Seriously I have not seen a more staged and demeaning pic ... of a man we would like to respect.  This is just wrong.  He even trims his armpits for goodness sake. https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120229/a_240212genrobertssmith3_17kqpm2-17kqpm3.jpg so what of it sock? that's the sort of training we did on a regular basis when I was in the defence forces... that pic is just the norm... I carried a wounded guy up a steep slope in a valley too narrow for 'dustoff'.. recovery by APC.. I also walked two miles on a bunged up knee that took three years to get over.... that's serious sh!t.... and I never talk about it..... my ex-wife and mother of my children knows nothing about it.... only that I was first out the door of the chopper, from the jump seat behind the door gunner..... Well... hardly.... talk.. about.. it.........

And that's about the norm here is Aus.  No fuss.

That's why I started the thread to discuss a radical change to that behavior.

Seriously, I can't help but wonder about the selection process.  I refuse to believe that the intense round of media activity around him has only been devised after he was awarded.

"VICTORIA Cross medal winner Ben Roberts-Smith has emerged as Australian television’s fastest rising star, after being promoted to the rank of general manager at Channel 7 Queensland."

Channel Seven has an extremely close relationship to the Federal Government for propaganda style series and news articles

"Details of the contract between the Seven Network and Australian Border Force over the access and production of Border Security: Australia's Front Line are revealed."

So Ben fits right in.  No wonder his media blitz was so intense.

I don't think it has been devalued. Times have changed. War is now 'virtual entertainment' with live crosses from the front line.

Everything has changed but Ben Roberts-Smith is a man of respect.

His value system is extraordinarily solid. You never see him big mouthing but you do see him supporting worthy causes and reminding our Country of what our Armed Forces represent.

He is a genuine bona fide hero. If you have got a problem with him, then you are the one who has the problem.

WOULD YOU DO THIS??

Victoria Cross for Australia[edit]



On 11 June 2010, a troop of the Special Operations Task Group conducted a helicopter assault into Tizak, Kandahar province, in order to capture or kill a senior Taliban commander.

Immediately upon the helicopter insertion, the troop was engaged by machine gun and rocket propelled grenade fire from multiple, dominating positions. Two soldiers were wounded in action and the troop was pinned down by fire from three machine guns in an elevated fortified position to the south of the village. Under the cover of close air support, suppressive small arms and machine gun fire, Roberts-Smith and his patrol manoeuvred to within 70 metres of the enemy position in order to neutralise the enemy machine gun positions and regain the initiative.

Upon commencement of the assault, the patrol drew very heavy, intense, effective and sustained fire from the enemy position. Roberts-Smith and his patrol members fought towards the enemy position until, at a range of 40 metres, the weight of fire prevented further movement forward. At this point, he identified the opportunity to exploit some cover provided by a small structure.

As he approached the structure, Roberts-Smith identified an insurgent grenadier in the throes of engaging his patrol. Roberts-Smith engaged the insurgent at point-blank range resulting in the death of the insurgent. With the members of his patrol still pinned down by the three enemy machine gun positions, he exposed his own position in order to draw fire away from his patrol, which enabled them to bring fire to bear against the enemy. His actions enabled his Patrol Commander to throw a grenade and silence one of the machine guns. Seizing the advantage, and demonstrating extreme devotion to duty and the most conspicuous gallantry, Roberts-Smith, with a total disregard for his own safety, stormed the enemy position killing the two remaining machine gunners.

His act of valour enabled his patrol to break into the enemy position and to lift the weight of fire from the remainder of the troop who had been pinned down by the machine gun fire. On seizing the fortified gun position, Corporal Roberts-Smith then took the initiative again and continued to assault enemy positions in depth during which he and another patrol member engaged and killed further enemy. His acts of selfless valour directly enabled his troop to go on and clear the village of Tizak of Taliban. This decisive engagement subsequently caused the remainder of the Taliban in Shah Wali Kot district to retreat from the area.[4]

WOULD YOU DO THIS PART2
Medal for Gallantry[edit]



On 31 May 2006, Lance Corporal Roberts-Smith was employed as a patrol scout and sniper that was tasked with establishing an observation post near the Chora Pass in Oruzgan province, Afghanistan. On 2 June, the observation post had become the focus of the Anti-Coalition Militia force and repeated attempts to locate and surround the position ensued. In one particular incident the Militia attempted to outflank the observation post. Roberts-Smith was part of a two man team tasked to move out of their relatively secure position in order to locate and neutralise the Militia and regain the initiative. This task was successfully achieved.

In another incident, two Anti-Coalition Militia attempted to attack the observation post from a different flank, Roberts-Smith again moved to support and neutralise one of these Militia. Roberts-Smith then realised that the forward edge of the observation post was not secure and made the decision to split the team and take up an exposed position forward of the patrol so he could effectively employ his sniper weapon. Whilst isolated, and in his precarious position, he observed a group of sixteen Anti-Coalition Militia advancing across open ground towards the observation post. Roberts-Smith effectively employed his sniper rifle to stop their advance whilst receiving very accurate small arms fire from another group of Militia to his flank. Roberts-Smith maintained the initiative and ensured that his patrol remained secure by holding this position without support for twenty minutes. He was eventually reinforced by his original team member and together they continued to hold off the Militia advance for a further twenty minutes until offensive air support arrived.[4]


Ben Roberts-Smith - IS THE REAL DEAL

So awesome.  And, Arhh, how it all going over there then?  All that risk, death and injury paid off has it?

My problem, has nothing to do with whether he was deserving of the award.

If you concentrate, you will find that my concern is about what has happened afterwards and the effect that has had on the standing of the medal.

For me it has devalued it.  It has become a marketable commodity, a tool to be exploited by Channel Seven.

Roberts has even been wheeled out (as I said, Like the STIG) by the government in the ruckus over Defense personnel pay.

".VICTORIA Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith has defended the meagre pay deal for soldiers, arguing the budget deficit required sacrifice. "

Nice, he's been bought. 

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

... reminding our Country of what our Armed Forces represent.

Death.

http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-yarra-ii

At least a brace of VCs should have been earnt in the above Ship's last action.....Rankin & Taylor

Rankin for taking on a much superior force in hopeless circumstances.

Taylor for continuing to man his gun to the last.

Apparently no one in the RAN has ever been a warded a VC?  :(

Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-yarra-ii At least a brace of VCs should have been earnt in the above Ship's last action.....Rankin & Taylor Rankin for taking on a much superior force in hopeless circumstances. Taylor for continuing to man his gun to the last. Apparently no one in the RAN has ever been a warded a VC?  :(

What did they look like with their shirts off?

The only “devaluing” of the VC comes from people who in their wildest imaginings could never fulfil the criteria to be awarded one.

Isn't that right gweggy?

Only you represent DEATH Gregg...death by boredom that is.

The only action you've ever seen has been when you crunch fizzy lollies in your mouth :D

Seems to me that theres actually 2 questions here and people are getting confused.


1) Has the actual earning of the VC been devalued?

I don't think so

2) Has the response to those who receive VCs been devalued?

I think somewhat. Donaldson was an example for me where it didnt happen, Roberts is.

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

Only you represent DEATH Gregg...death by boredom that is.

I represent living, and the truth.


red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

The only action you've ever seen ...

I've never seen any military action, and never will.

Seen any other kind of action Gregg? :D

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Seen any other kind of action Gregg?

More than you could possibly imagine.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:01pm: Seen any other kind of action Gregg? More than you could possibly imagine.

pecca has sat in every café in  middle class Australia and read the Sydney morning herald.

l would like to know exactly what it is that has some of you a bit lathered up.

If ever there was a role model for young men to look up to it would be Ben Roberts-Smith, you couldn't have a better man at your back than him.

Self effacing, kind, gentle but when it's on the line you couldn't be in better hands with him on your side.

I think the 'green eyed monster' has made his appearance on this.

Ben is the type of bloke most men would like to be like but most are a mile short and they know it. So some take the other path, that's the one where you sling mud all day long at genuine heros and hope some sticks.

Gregg and kind, you wouldn't be fit to lick his shoes. You are at the bottom end of the food chain. Nothing there is going to change anytime soon.

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

l would like to know exactly what it is that has some of you a bit lathered up. If ever there was a role model for young men to look up to it would be Ben Roberts-Smith, you couldn't have a better man at your back than him. Self effacing, kind, gentle but when it's on the line you couldn't be in better hands with him on your side. I think the 'green eyed monster' has made his appearance on this. Ben is the type of bloke most men would like to be like but most are a mile short and they know it. So some take the other path, that's the one where you sling mud all day long at genuine heros and hope some sticks. Gregg and kind, you wouldn't be fit to lick his shoes. You are at the bottom end of the food chain. Nothing there is going to change anytime soon.

Is that a gun in Red Baron's pocket?

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:09pm:

l would like to know exactly what it is that has some of you a bit lathered up. If ever there was a role model for young men to look up to it would be Ben Roberts-Smith, you couldn't have a better man at your back than him. Self effacing, kind, gentle but when it's on the line you couldn't be in better hands with him on your side. I think the 'green eyed monster' has made his appearance on this. Ben is the type of bloke most men would like to be like but most are a mile short and they know it. So some take the other path, that's the one where you sling mud all day long at genuine heros and hope some sticks. Gregg and kind, you wouldn't be fit to lick his shoes. You are at the bottom end of the food chain. Nothing there is going to change anytime soon.

they are just jelly.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:09pm: l would like to know exactly what it is that has some of you a bit lathered up. If ever there was a role model for young men to look up to it would be Ben Roberts-Smith, you couldn't have a better man at your back than him. Self effacing, kind, gentle but when it's on the line you couldn't be in better hands with him on your side. I think the 'green eyed monster' has made his appearance on this. Ben is the type of bloke most men would like to be like but most are a mile short and they know it. So some take the other path, that's the one where you sling mud all day long at genuine heros and hope some sticks. Gregg and kind, you wouldn't be fit to lick his shoes. You are at the bottom end of the food chain. Nothing there is going to change anytime soon. Is that a gun in Red Baron's pocket?

Not that there's anything wrong with that    ;)

Ahhh there you are Laugh, right down there at the bottom of the pile holding hands with Gregg...hope you're happy down there wading through the shite up to your noses in it.

Only happy when you are taking down fellow posters and or their ideas. ::)

red baron wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

Ahhh there you are Laugh, right down there at the bottom of the pile holding hands with Gregg...hope you're happy down there wading through the shite up to your noses in it. Only happy when you are taking down fellow posters and or their ideas. ::)

Just puncturing your autoerotic dreams and trouser salute of big tattooed war heros.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:25pm: Ahhh there you are Laugh, right down there at the bottom of the pile holding hands with Gregg...hope you're happy down there wading through the shite up to your noses in it. Only happy when you are taking down fellow posters and or their ideas. ::) Just puncturing your autoerotic dreams and trouser salute of big tattooed war heros.

He'd kick your scrawny little Asian ass in a fight. He'd leave you begging, crying and yelling I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!

Really?  Yeah?

So that means what exactly?

While the actions and valour required to be awarded the VC has not diminished the medal itself most certainly has.

It is not longer the glorious piece of 'tin' fashioned from the cannons of Sevastopol, but a cheap knock off commissioned by the Australian labor party during their time in office. In their efforts to politicise the ADF over the past few decades they have degraded and diminished it and everything that made it one of the finest fighting forces in the world.


So has the Victoria Cross been devalued, most certainly, but the men who wear it, most certainly not.

You need to get an update on the current Federal Government.

random wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

You need to get an update on the current Federal Government.

What the fkkkk has that got to do with labor actively politicising and degrading the ADF and what it stands for?


That damage has been done of many decades and continues to have an adverse affect on the men and women who serve.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

random wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:33am: You need to get an update on the current Federal Government. What the fkkkk has that got to do with labor actively politicising and degrading the ADF and what it stands for? That damage has been done of many decades and continues to have an adverse affect on the men and women who serve.

Serving is for the disposable poor, the confused teenagers and the patriotic drifters.

With the exception is the draftees e.g. Nam.

But you choose to politisise the conversation, as you probably do any other thread.

The current federal government is right wing, get a grip.  Seems that that has messed with your myopic brain and you have to blame someone else.

random wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:10pm: random wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:33am: You need to get an update on the current Federal Government. What the fkkkk has that got to do with labor actively politicising and degrading the ADF and what it stands for? That damage has been done of many decades and continues to have an adverse affect on the men and women who serve. Serving is for the disposable poor, the confused teenagers and the patriotic drifters. With the exception is the draftees e.g. Nam. But you choose to politisise the conversation, as you probably do any other thread. The current federal government is right wing, get a grip.  Seems that that has messed with your myopic brain and you have to blame someone else.

My apologies I didn't realise you were who you were, so what was it:

1. Rejected from serving the ADF because you were considered substandard

2. Your girlfriend left you for some baggy @rsed soldier, after realising you were a sub standard clown

3. You were mouthing off in the pub and a Digger slapped you around like a little bitch.



You asked the question and I answered it, that fact it started happening decades ago seems to have annoyed you as you can't lame everything on the liberals. Well you can, because you are a cretin.

4.  None of the above.

I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong.

From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment.

Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system.

random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:40am:

4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system.

The military is the cradle of male homosexuality.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality.

you'd crawl up in a ball and cry if a bullet came whizzing over your head Asian boy.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:53am:

random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality.

Indeed.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There's certainly something wrong with this, though:

"HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse"

"Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base.

"Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline."

In The Navy

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:53am: random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality. Indeed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's certainly something wrong with this, though: "HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse" "Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base. "Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline." In The Navy

As exemplified by drowning sailors shouting "throw me a boy" with their last breath.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:53am: random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality. Indeed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's certainly something wrong with this, though: "HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse" "Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base. "Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline." In The Navy As exemplified by drowning sailors shouting "throw me a boy" with their last breath.

that's what aboriginal elders say.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:53am: random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality. Indeed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's certainly something wrong with this, though: "HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse" "Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base. "Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline." In The Navy As exemplified by drowning sailors shouting "throw me a boy" with their last breath.

Or a girl:

"Ms Gunnis was sexually harassed during her first year at ADFA in 1996, and on her 18th birthday was tied down by a group of fellow officers, doused with food and water and thrown in a wheelie bin – a ritual known as bishing."

"More cases of rape and sexual assault in the Defence Force have been unearthed where the alleged perpetrators are either serving officers or working for Defence."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/sex-abuse-allegations-implicate-serving-defence-officers/5508982

Aboriginal culture- Bend over Gannabonga, today you will reach manhood by me sodomising the crap out of you. Then it's off to the dole office for some sugar money. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What a bunch of doe whackers there are posting on this thread.

Get a life you morons.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:01am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:53am: random wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:40am: 4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system. The military is the cradle of male homosexuality. Indeed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's certainly something wrong with this, though: "HMAS Leeuwin abuse cases asked to be considered by royal commission into child sexual abuse" "Between 1960 and 1984, 13,000 young boys joined the Navy as junior recruits. The majority did their first year of training at the WA naval base. "Over that time, many were subjected to a culture of bullying and bastardisation that in some cases went as far as rape, sexual assault and painful and humiliating discipline." In The Navy As exemplified by drowning sailors shouting "throw me a boy" with their last breath.

"An Australian soldier has been charged with the rape and sexual assault of a colleague while on a south-east Queensland military base."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/soldier-charged-with-the-rape-of-a-fellow-soldier-20141001-10otrj.html

random wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:10pm: random wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 6:33am: You need to get an update on the current Federal Government. What the fkkkk has that got to do with labor actively politicising and degrading the ADF and what it stands for? That damage has been done of many decades and continues to have an adverse affect on the men and women who serve. Serving is for the disposable poor, the confused teenagers and the patriotic drifters. With the exception is the draftees e.g. Nam. But you choose to politisise the conversation, as you probably do any other thread. The current federal government is right wing, get a grip.  Seems that that has messed with your myopic brain and you have to blame someone else.

good grief, i was in the reserve for 5 years.
the regular army guys are top notch, dedicated,professional with a great esprit de corps.

you couldnt be more wrong if you tried.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

good grief, i was in the reserve for 5 years. the regular army guys are top notch, dedicated,professional with a great esprit de corps.

"A DAMNING report on sexual abuse in the Australian military has found that rapists who were never prosecuted are probably still occupying senior positions in the forces.

"Releasing the report - which includes a ''plausible'' and graphic account of the gang rape of a 13-year-old boy - Defence Minister Stephen Smith said the allegations of abuse in the forces ''will shock some people''.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rapists-in-the-adf-ranks-20120710-21u48.html

Homosexuality and military are correlated because love conquers all. The Greeks knew the answers by utilizing same sex couples in the military they fostered strong loyalties and unbreakable bonds.

Perhaps that's where the expression "gay blade' came from.

The $69 question is: are homosexuals attracted to the military or is the military attracted to homosexuals?

What would rear admirals be without a navy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece


Quote:

Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds. Some Greek philosophers wrote on the subject of homosexuality in the military. In Plato's Symposium, the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military:[3] ... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born. However, the Symposium is a dialectical exploration of the nature of true love, in which Phaedrus' views are soon found to be inadequate compared to the transcendent vision of Socrates, who: ...seizes this favourable moment in the talk at Agathon's party to suggest that visible beauty is the most obvious and distinct reflection in our terrene life of an eternal, immutable Beauty, perceived not with the eye but with the mind. He preaches no avoidance of the contest with appetite, but rather the achievement of a definite victory over the lower elements of love-passion, and the pursuit of beauty on higher and higher levels until, as in a sudden flash, its ultimate and rewarding essence is revealed.[4] Xenophon, while not criticizing the relationships themselves, ridiculed militaries that made them the sole basis of unit formation: they sleep with their loved ones, yet stations them next to themselves in battle ... with them (Eleians, Thebans) it's a custom, with us a disgrace ... placing your loved one next to you seems to be a sign of distrust ... The Spartans ... make our loved ones such models of perfection that even if stationed with foreigners rather than with their lovers they are ashamed to desert their companion.[5] Social aspects[edit] According to tradition, the Greeks structured military units along tribal lines, a practice attributed to Nestor in the Homeric epics. The Theban military commander Pammenes, however, is supposed to have advocated military organization based on pairs of lovers:[6] Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe ... he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken.

There are 3 Amigos in this thread who are just pathetic ferks ... that includes the author.

Gnads wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

There are 3 Amigos in this thread who are just pathetic ferks ... that includes the author.

Wowee. Gnads confesses and outs himself!

The subject has excited Gnads out of his torpor and stupor.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

Homosexuality and military are correlated because love conquers all. The Greeks knew the answers by utilizing same sex couples in the military they fostered strong loyalties and unbreakable bonds. Perhaps that's where the expression "gay blade' came from. The $69 question is: are homosexuals attracted to the military or is the military attracted to homosexuals? What would rear admirals be without a navy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece Quote: Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds. Some Greek philosophers wrote on the subject of homosexuality in the military. In Plato's Symposium, the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military:[3] ... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born. However, the Symposium is a dialectical exploration of the nature of true love, in which Phaedrus' views are soon found to be inadequate compared to the transcendent vision of Socrates, who: ...seizes this favourable moment in the talk at Agathon's party to suggest that visible beauty is the most obvious and distinct reflection in our terrene life of an eternal, immutable Beauty, perceived not with the eye but with the mind. He preaches no avoidance of the contest with appetite, but rather the achievement of a definite victory over the lower elements of love-passion, and the pursuit of beauty on higher and higher levels until, as in a sudden flash, its ultimate and rewarding essence is revealed.[4] Xenophon, while not criticizing the relationships themselves, ridiculed militaries that made them the sole basis of unit formation: they sleep with their loved ones, yet stations them next to themselves in battle ... with them (Eleians, Thebans) it's a custom, with us a disgrace ... placing your loved one next to you seems to be a sign of distrust ... The Spartans ... make our loved ones such models of perfection that even if stationed with foreigners rather than with their lovers they are ashamed to desert their companion.[5] Social aspects[edit] According to tradition, the Greeks structured military units along tribal lines, a practice attributed to Nestor in the Homeric epics. The Theban military commander Pammenes, however, is supposed to have advocated military organization based on pairs of lovers:[6] Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe ... he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken.

very sad state of low consciousness to redicule our military.
"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"
truly keyboard warriors LTYC and gweg .
no sense of contribution
unlike many who have been injured "defending all the good that we have created "

---

went back to rescue an afghani helper under heavy fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25QfRu55BM

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:02pm: There are 3 Amigos in this thread who are just pathetic ferks ... that includes the author. Wowee. Gnads confesses and outs himself! The subject has excited Gnads out of his torpor and stupor.

Just accept the accolades Ned Nederlander you deserve no less.  ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

"greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends"

You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual.

There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army.

Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.

"DEFENCE chiefs have confirmed for the first time there are 22 men accused of rape who remain serving members of the ADF, including one who has risen to the rank of an army colonel or an equivalent post."

“It is possible that male cadets who raped female cadets at ADFA in the late 1990s and other cadets who witnessed such rape and did not intervene, may now be in ‘middle’ to ‘senior’ management positions in the ADF,’’ the report stated."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/22-australian-defence-force-members-accused-of-rape-still-serving-and-rising-up-the-ranks/news-story/69ec75ee9d8597a40c8b5b9b4d71b3c2

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm: "greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends" You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual. There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army. Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military.

And in aboriginal culture.

"More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-compensation-claims-after-abuse-culture-revealed-20160118-gm85w0.html

double plus good wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm: "greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends" You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual. There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army. Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military. And in aboriginal culture.

British Aboriginals?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:36pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:22pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm: "greater love has no man then to lay down his life for his friends" You mean lovers don't you? That's exactly what the Greeks were saying. Homosexual military is more committed than heterosexual. There is no evidence that a heterosexual army has ever been victorious against a homosexual army. Thanks for agreeing about the power of homosexuality in the military. And in aboriginal culture. British Aboriginals?

In  aboriginal tribal culture  a warrior is made when a tribal elder gets to stick his dirty uncircumcised member up a pre pubescent aboriginal boys bum hole. Sounds like an excuse to rape somebody I believe. :-X :-X

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

"More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-compensation-claims-after-abuse-culture-revealed-20160118-gm85w0.html

LOL   100 cases in 50 years,  as opposed to Cologne with 100 cases in 50 minutes. :D :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:38pm: "More than 100 compensation claims for sexual and physical abuse stretching back more than half a century have been lodged against the Department of Defence, as it grapples with millions of dollars in legal claims the government says pose a potential fiscal risk." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-hit-by-wave-of-compensation-claims-after-abuse-culture-revealed-20160118-gm85w0.html LOL   100 cases in 50 years,  as opposed to Cologne with 100 cases in 50 minutes. :D :D :D

Laughing at (and condoning) sexual abuse isn't a good look, aqua.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

went back to rescue an afghani helper under heavy fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25QfRu55BM

I had a chance to listen to Mark Donaldson, Live, last year..

he was bloody brilliant.. he talked about early life and being a bit of a ratbag on the streets.. his father died early and then some time later his mother disappeared only to be found dead - I think, some years later..

if he didn't join the ARMY he'd have probably ended up in jail..

sometimes young ratbags just need a focus.. to be in a team, to be accepted, to look after their mates and have their mates look after him..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

I had a chance to listen to Mark Donaldson, Live, last year.. he was bloody brilliant.. he talked about early life and being a bit of a ratbag on the streets.. his father died early and then some time later his mother disappeared only to be found dead - I think, some years later.. if he didn't join the ARMY he'd have probably ended up in jail.. sometimes young ratbags just need a focus.. to be in a team, to be accepted, to look after their mates and have their mates look after him..

Stoppit! You're killing me.

People who enjoy killing other people often join the army where they get paid for it instead of having a hobby.

Gregg and Laugh why don't you do a Thelma and Louise for us all here and give us a bit of comic relief by doing a canyon deed of daring do.

Please live stream it all the way down.  You can hold hands and yell 'homosexuals forever'. It would help no end with the hits on this site. ;)

red baron wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gregg and Laugh why don't you do a Thelma and Louise for us all here and give us a bit of comic relief by doing a canyon deed of daring do. Please live stream it all the way down.  You can hold hands and yell 'homosexuals forever'. It would help no end with the hits on this site. ;)

Wouldn't do that to you Red darling. It would divert your attention from your gay porn web site and you might lose your grip.

red baron wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Gregg and Laugh why don't you do a Thelma and Louise for us all here and give us a bit of comic relief by doing a canyon deed of daring do.

Why - is the truth starting to hurt a bit?

"There were 2,234 "plausible" allegations of abuse made by more than 1,650 people with an over representation of women.

"A total of 1,139 of the accused perpetrators were still serving in regular or reserve forces."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-30/royal-commission-into-adf-abuse-must-go-further-vet-says/5928966

Gregg sweetie,  you know I was being facetious I wouldn't like to see a hair on your sweet head disarrayed.

However I am anxty about this thread about the valour of bona fide heros being hijacked for some pivel over abuse in the armed forces. You want to bat on with that one, fine, but start your own thread on it.

red baron wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

Gregg sweetie,  you know I was being facetious I wouldn't like to see a hair on your sweet head disarrayed. However I am anxty about this thread about the valour of bona fide heros being hijacked for some pivel over abuse in the armed forces. You want to bat on with that one, fine, but start your own thread on it.

Nah.  This Thread is not about 'valour of bona fide heros' at all.  It is about a devaluation of the VC thanks to commercialisation/politicisation of one recipient.

Incoming!!!!! A load of bullshite just fired point blank by Aussie!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Did I say 3 Amigos?

Change that to 3 Softcorks.

Never get sick of punching clowns like you. ::)

random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:40am:

4.  None of the above. I worked with a group of ex-Duntroon guys for a while and was absolutely freaking disgusted with their attitude to women in general.  I enjoy a good joke but these guys were beyond the pale.  All the reports about misbehavior there are now in focus for me.  Either they instill it there or they select for it, don't know, but it was there and very wrong. From what I have seen the ADF needs another good review and an attitude adjustment. Including perhaps a stance on government publicity campaigns devaluing the awards system.

I knew there was some sad myopic view involved, pretty much negated everything you have to say on the matter doesn't it.?

You are using this forum as an opportunity to belittle the character of a VC holder in the hope that the vile sh1t runs all the way down the hill.

You are nothing more than a child trying to be a 'big boy', run along little man.

https://bandt-au.s3.amazonaws.com/information/uploads/2015/07/038088-corporal-ben-roberts-smith.jpg

Unfortunately this site has been over run by a bunch of losers whose idea of action is watching a movie.

These pathetic creeps get their jollies off by criticising heros like Ben Roberts-Smith. Their own lives are as empty as a vacuum cleaner with a clean bag on it.

Ripping heros to shreds is about as brave as these creeps with get,in their pathetic self serving lives.

Don't get me started on Rosie Batty

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

Unfortunately this site has been over run by a bunch of losers whose idea of action is watching a movie. These pathetic creeps get their jollies off by criticising heros like Ben Roberts-Smith. Their own lives are as empty as a vacuum cleaner with a clean bag on it. Ripping heros to shreds is about as brave as these creeps with get,in their pathetic self serving lives.

Zip it!

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

Unfortunately this site has been over run by a bunch of losers whose idea of action is watching a movie. These pathetic creeps get their jollies off by criticising heros like Ben Roberts-Smith. Their own lives are as empty as a vacuum cleaner with a clean bag on it. Ripping heros to shreds is about as brave as these creeps with get,in their pathetic self serving lives.

Could not agree more! >:(

bwood1946 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 8:08am: Unfortunately this site has been over run by a bunch of losers whose idea of action is watching a movie. These pathetic creeps get their jollies off by criticising heros like Ben Roberts-Smith. Their own lives are as empty as a vacuum cleaner with a clean bag on it. Ripping heros to shreds is about as brave as these creeps with get,in their pathetic self serving lives. Could not agree more! >:(

Look! There's a pathetic, groveling sycophant in your mirror.

The real "devaluing" starts when muslims in the ADF covertly pass on information back to ISIS about training and workings of our armed forces

I particularly like the part where he is lecturing on Leadership and is now a Channel Seven QLD executive.  Must be all the experience he got being a Corporal.

red baron wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

Unfortunately this site has been over run by a bunch of losers whose idea of action is watching a movie. These pathetic creeps get their jollies off by criticising heros like Ben Roberts-Smith. Their own lives are as empty as a vacuum cleaner with a clean bag on it. Ripping heros to shreds is about as brave as these creeps with get,in their pathetic self serving lives.

I agree Red

Albert Jacka set a great example for future VC's

Greggary got a paper cut once, hes miffed because his bravery wasnt recognised. Stubbed his toe as a kid and still needs ongoing therapy to deal with the trauma.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

The real "devaluing" starts when muslims in the ADF covertly pass on information back to ISIS about training and workings of our armed forces

Imagine being a Muslim in the ADF.  Women find it difficult enough, getting raped and abused.  The average grunt just calls all Muslims, Goat Fxxkers.

The ADF culture is butal to anyone not male, white and christian.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Stoppit! You're killing me. People who enjoy killing other people often join the army where they get paid for it instead of having a hobby.

;D ;D ;D ;D

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random wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

The ADF culture is butal to anyone not male, white and christian.

I was not christian and I did not find it "butal" at all.

My partner was not male and she did not find it "butal"

And my aboriginal mate especially did not find it "butal"


Maybe your extreme ignorance and stupidity has lead you astray on this and many other subjects. Or maybe you think "butal" is the same as not for soft-cocks.


Just hide down the back with the women and children, you'll be ok.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:47pm:

random wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:01pm: The ADF culture is butal to anyone not male, white and christian. I was not christian and I did not find it "butal" at all. My partner was not male and she did not find it "butal" And my aboriginal mate especially did not find it "butal" Maybe your extreme ignorance and stupidity has lead you astray on this and many other subjects. Or maybe you think "butal" is the same as not for soft-cocks. Just hide down the back with the women and children, you'll be ok.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

What one word would you describe it as bigold?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 5:47pm: random wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 2:01pm: The ADF culture is butal to anyone not male, white and christian. I was not christian and I did not find it "butal" at all. My partner was not male and she did not find it "butal" And my aboriginal mate especially did not find it "butal" Maybe your extreme ignorance and stupidity has lead you astray on this and many other subjects. Or maybe you think "butal" is the same as not for soft-cocks. Just hide down the back with the women and children, you'll be ok.  ;D ;D ;D ;D What one word would you describe it as bigold?

Tough - as it should be.


If you want a soft-cock existence, join the public service.

I thought the ADF was the public service.

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

I thought the ADF was the public service.

You thought wrong, and Im not having this moronic argument again.


I answered your question without talking to you like you're a cretin, try to not ruin it with a stupid follow up.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I thought the ADF was the public service. You thought wrong, and Im not having this moronic argument again. I answered your question without talking to you like you're a cretin, try to not ruin it with a stupid follow up.

What is the ADF then, if it not part of the public service?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I thought the ADF was the public service. You thought wrong, and Im not having this moronic argument again. I answered your question without talking to you like you're a cretin, try to not ruin it with a stupid follow up. What is the ADF then, if it not part of the public service?

The ADF is the ADF.


You being the super genius that you are may be thinking of the DoD or the Department of Defence which is part of the public service. It is chock full of useless clock watchers all employed by the Federal Sheltered Workshop.


A quick wikipedia search should answer this and other embarrassing questions you may have.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I thought the ADF was the public service. You thought wrong ...

Jesus, you're less intelligent than I thought.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:18pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I thought the ADF was the public service. You thought wrong, and Im not having this moronic argument again. I answered your question without talking to you like you're a cretin, try to not ruin it with a stupid follow up. What is the ADF then, if it not part of the public service? The ADF is the ADF. You being the super genius that you are may be thinking of the DoD or the Department of Defence which is part of the public service. It is chock full of useless clock watchers all employed by the Federal Sheltered Workshop. A quick wikipedia search should answer this and other embarrassing questions you may have.

;D ;D  Done like a dinner Aussie :P

Quote:

The ADF is the ADF.

Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by?

uh, no. Public servants work in Admin roles. Thats the definition. The governments definition.

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:41pm: Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by? uh, no. Public servants work in Admin roles. Thats the definition. The governments definition.

http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Hysterical-Laughing-Gif-12.gif

The Australian Public Service (APS), originally known as the Commonwealth Public Service, is the Australian federal civil service, currently established under the Public Service Act 1999. People employed in the APS workforce work in public administration roles within Australian Government departments and agencies. In aggregate, APS organisations provide information, services and support to almost every part of Australian life. With a staff of over 150,000 people, the Australian Public Service is one of Australia's largest employers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Public_Service

I work for the government, Im not a public servant.

I can understand Mr Peccary's scoff.

So......is a doctor employed by a Government to work in a public hospital to treat wounded/sick people doing administrative work?  No?

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

The Australian Public Service (APS), originally known as the Commonwealth Public Service, is the Australian federal civil service, currently established under the Public Service Act 1999. People employed in the APS workforce work in public administration roles within Australian Government departments and agencies. In aggregate, APS organisations provide information, services and support to almost every part of Australian life. With a staff of over 150,000 people, the Australian Public Service is one of Australia's largest employers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Public_Service I work for the government, Im not a public servant.

What does it matter?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 8:50pm: The Australian Public Service (APS), originally known as the Commonwealth Public Service, is the Australian federal civil service, currently established under the Public Service Act 1999. People employed in the APS workforce work in public administration roles within Australian Government departments and agencies. In aggregate, APS organisations provide information, services and support to almost every part of Australian life. With a staff of over 150,000 people, the Australian Public Service is one of Australia's largest employers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Public_Service I work for the government, Im not a public servant. What does it matter?

I dont know, why does it matter ?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:

I can understand Mr Peccary's scoff. So......is a doctor employed by a Government to work in a public hospital to treat wounded/sick people doing administrative work?  No?

I can see those 2 brain cells are working overtime, you are correct, thats why the Doctor is not a public servant.

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

The Australian Public Service (APS), originally known as the Commonwealth Public Service, is the Australian federal civil service, currently established under the Public Service Act 1999. People employed in the APS workforce work in public administration roles within Australian Government departments and agencies. In aggregate, APS organisations provide information, services and support to almost every part of Australian life. With a staff of over 150,000 people, the Australian Public Service is one of Australia's largest employers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Public_Service I work for the government, Im not a public servant.

You are the opposite of a public servant? A public disservant?

Are you aware that government workers like you [public servants] are grossly overpaid relative to their qualifications, expertise and experience?

Aussie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by?

If you and looks like greggy perceive the world around you in simplistic terms and are unable to understand the most basic of systems then this is what you will believe.

The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF.

You asked me a pretty basic question a few ages pages and ignored my response to pursue this cretinous endeavour. Says a lot about you does't it? And none of it is positive.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 9:01am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:41pm: Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by? The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF.

ADF is public service. Its people who couldn't get a better-paying job playing cowboys with their mates and drinking piles of free taxpayer beer. I wonder what the alcoholism statistics are for ADF?

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:27pm:

Of the last couple of VC winners, Mechanic, why is he being paraded around?  Vic Payne never did that.  Also, even he says he did nothing more than his mates would have done in the same scenario.

Times change.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 9:17am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:27pm: Of the last couple of VC winners, Mechanic, why is he being paraded around?  Vic Payne never did that.  Also, even he says he did nothing more than his mates would have done in the same scenario. Times change.

Pictures of naked men appear to be a successful recruitment tool for Australian military.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 9:10am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:01am: Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:41pm: Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by? The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF. ADF is public service. Its people who couldn't get a better-paying job playing cowboys with their mates and drinking piles of free taxpayer beer. I wonder what the alcoholism statistics are for ADF?

Please remember you are a cretin and any opinion you may wish to express is is worthless, much like your existence.

Now run along little man the adults are talking here.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 10:54am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:10am: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:01am: Aussie wrote on Jan 30th, 2016 at 6:41pm: Quote: The ADF is the ADF. Yeas.  It is.  So......who is and who is not a public servant?  It seems easy to me.  If I'm not employed by the Government whether I'm screwed to a desk or to a gun/weapon, who am I employed by? The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF. ADF is public service. Its people who couldn't get a better-paying job playing cowboys with their mates and drinking piles of free taxpayer beer. I wonder what the alcoholism statistics are for ADF? Please remember you are a cretin and any opinion you may wish to express is is worthless, much like your existence. Now run along little man the adults are talking here.

Orright then John? Have a nice cup of public service tea and good lie down and your apoplexy will dissipate.

Yes darling, you can cry if you want to let it all out.

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 9:01am:

The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF.

"The Australian Defence Force is the highest profile public service, employs around about 80,000 individuals, and you would expect that with the side of an organisation like that that there are going to be claims that exist at any stage,"
Adair Donaldson, Lawyer.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-20/gang-rape-sexual-harassment-bullying-among-claims-against-adf/7100088

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 11:09am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:01am: The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF. "The Australian Defence Force is the highest profile public service, employs around about 80,000 individuals, and you would expect that with the side of an organisation like that that there are going to be claims that exist at any stage," Adair Donaldson, Lawyer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-20/gang-rape-sexual-harassment-bullying-among-claims-against-adf/7100088

Stoppit! You're killing me. Join the ADF travel and see people die in many countries.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 11:09am: BigOl64 wrote on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:01am: The ADF is not the public service, it is the ADF. "The Australian Defence Force is the highest profile public service, employs around about 80,000 individuals, and you would expect that with the side of an organisation like that that there are going to be claims that exist at any stage," Adair Donaldson, Lawyer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-20/gang-rape-sexual-harassment-bullying-among-claims-against-adf/7100088 Stoppit! You're killing me. Join the ADF travel and see people die in many countries.

BYO vaseline.

From Corporal to TV executive!  Wow wee.  I really do wish him luck here, seriously, but being wheeled out like the STIG on regular occasions by Seven executives would be a pretty empty existence.

"The star former member of the elite Special Air Service has made a remarkable career change, entering the cutthroat and competitive world of television management.

Roberts-Smith has been appointed deputy general manager of Seven Queensland, where he will have responsibility for all aspects of the network, including sales, production and marketing."

random wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:15pm:

From Corporal to TV executive!  Wow wee.  I really do wish him luck here, seriously, but being wheeled out like the STIG on regular occasions by Seven executives would be a pretty empty existence. "The star former member of the elite Special Air Service has made a remarkable career change, entering the cutthroat and competitive world of television management. Roberts-Smith has been appointed deputy general manager of Seven Queensland, where he will have responsibility for all aspects of the network, including sales, production and marketing."

The key expression here is "cutthroat". He won't take no for an answer.

Await reports of customers of Seven Queensland advertising business being paraded with black bags over their heads at advertising contract renewal.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 1^st, 2016 at 7:38pm:

random wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:15pm: From Corporal to TV executive!  Wow wee.  I really do wish him luck here, seriously, but being wheeled out like the STIG on regular occasions by Seven executives would be a pretty empty existence. "The star former member of the elite Special Air Service has made a remarkable career change, entering the cutthroat and competitive world of television management. Roberts-Smith has been appointed deputy general manager of Seven Queensland, where he will have responsibility for all aspects of the network, including sales, production and marketing." The key expression here is "cutthroat". He won't take no for an answer. Await reports of customers of Seven Queensland advertising business being paraded with black bags over their heads at advertising contract renewal.

"Deputy" GM.  Uh huh. Sure.