MUSLIMS DEMAND Cross Be Removed From The Swiss Flag Because They “Find It Offensive”

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Current Swiss flag

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New Swiss flag proposed by Swiss Muslim community

Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol, it “no longer corresponds to today’s Muslim multicultural Switzerland.”

Poqari  The Muslim group behind this demand known as the “Secondos,”  began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims.

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum.

Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.”

Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely because it is inviting for all to want to be involved…even the immigrants.”

Stefan Brupbacher, general secretary of the libertarian Free Democrats (FDP) said: “This is utter nonsense. The Swiss cross is an extremely successful and valuable global brand. It is a symbol of success and quality. We will tightly hold on to it, out of love for Switzerland.”


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2449/immigrants-swiss-flag-cross

http://shoebat.com/2016/01/17/muslims-demand-cross-be-removed-from-the-swiss-flag-because-they-find-it-offensive/

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This is just the beginning athos.
As always, the first stage is denial.

Only those calling for the change are not Muslims. They're a group of secular humanists and atheists.

It's an easy mistake to make.

"Secondos"? It doesn't even come up in an internet search.

It would be nice if articles like this included the most basic information like who is making such "demands". It's become possible to make any old claim and package it as news.

Back in the good old days, we called this propaganda.

This Islamophobe "story" is at least 5 years old.


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From 2011:

"Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

"Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

"Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today."

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?)

It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore.

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1453682508/4#4 date=1453683073]
This Islamophobe "story" is at least 5 years old.

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athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

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Nice picture, Athos. Where's it from? What country are they in?

And what's their reason for burning what appears to be a Swiss flag, but is clearly not?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

From 2011: "Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today." http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?) It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore.

Thanks, Greggery. Much better.

athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1453682508/4#4 date=1453683073] This Islamophobe "story" is at least 5 years old. http://allpravda.info/upload/editor/news/2016.01/568f96bc454d8_1452250812.jpg

A funny picture, eh Athos? That could work.

For the time it takes to do a Google search.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

From 2011: "Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today." http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?) It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore.

Because of conformists like you very soon you'll get independent Islamic republics of: Auburn, Bankstown and of course Lakemba.

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"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist."

"The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and has added fuel to anti-Muslim sentiments in Switzerland, especially since many people have mistaken Petrusic for a Muslim."

;D

athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 10:56am: From 2011: "Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today." http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?) It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore. Because of conformists like you very soon you'll get independent Islamic republics of: Auburn, Bankstown and of course Lakemba. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/43/0a/03430a930e8e3c32941de40d2c9999e5.jpg

Your new funny picture includes the words, "no freedom of information. No voice of opposition".

Would you prefer Greggery stayed quiet, Athos?

Would you prefer he didn't clarify the facts of your post? 

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist." "The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and has added fuel to anti-Muslim sentiments in Switzerland, especially since many people have mistaken Petrusic for a Muslim." ;D

Particularly as:


Quote:

Muslim leaders in the country have been quick to voice their disagreement with Petrusic and distance themselves from his demands. Hisham Maizar, head of Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, said the proposal for a religion-neutral flag was wrong and counter-productive. "We don't have any demands to upend the ancient traditions of other countries," he said.

athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 10:56am: From 2011: "Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today." http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?) It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore. Because of conformists like you very soon you'll get independent Islamic republics of: Auburn, Bankstown and of course Lakemba. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/43/0a/03430a930e8e3c32941de40d2c9999e5.jpg

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist."


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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

athos wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:07am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 10:56am: From 2011: "Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today." http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?) It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore. Because of conformists like you very soon you'll get independent Islamic republics of: Auburn, Bankstown and of course Lakemba. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/43/0a/03430a930e8e3c32941de40d2c9999e5.jpg "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist." https://media.giphy.com/media/QgixZj4y3TwnS/giphy.gif

I think we've lost poor old Athos. Maybe he ran out of pictures.

Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge??

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge??

I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say.

Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag.

Why are they arseholes?

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ...

" ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

Oops.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:17am: Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge?? I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say. Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag. Why are they arseholes?

You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:22am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:17am: Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge?? I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say. Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag. Why are they arseholes? You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt.

Check it out again.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist."



Ban the terrorists

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:27am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:26am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:22am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:17am: Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge?? I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say. Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag. Why are they arseholes? You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt. Check it out again.

so what is it then muffin.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:22am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:17am: Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge?? I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say. Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag. Why are they arseholes? You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt.

you need glasses .. the flag being burnt has the cross to one side, not in the middle  :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:26am:

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ... " ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

Some, of course, would reply with something like, okay, I got it all wrong. I'll try not to be so rash with my judgements in future.

Not Athos though. Perhaps he knows someone like Homo will always rush in to keep the game going - someone who knows the story's a fake, but just wants someone to talk to.

I shouldn't set my hopes so high, I know.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ...

" ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

In 2011.



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double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:26am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:22am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:17am: Who were those assholes burning the Swiss flag then Knowledge?? I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say. Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag. Why are they arseholes? You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt. Check it out again. so what is it then muffin.

I did ask, Homo. Athos is keeping mum.

PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag

 January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag


Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.”

The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims.

muslims-burn-swiss-flag

Gatestone Institute reports:

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland.



ALSO SEE:  240 Customs Officers Sacked Over Forged Certificates

Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.”

Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag  January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims. muslims-burn-swiss-flag Gatestone Institute reports: The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland. ALSO SEE:  240 Customs Officers Sacked Over Forged Certificates Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.” Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely

Have you got a link? We'll have a little look-see.

They burnt a Swedish flag as well. Look it up if you dare do-gooders.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag  January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims. muslims-burn-swiss-flag Gatestone Institute reports: The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland. ALSO SEE:  240 Customs Officers Sacked Over Forged Certificates Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.” Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ...

" ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

In 2011.

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

"Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

"Petrusic says he himself is Christian ... "


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Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:32am: PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag  January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims. muslims-burn-swiss-flag Gatestone Institute reports: The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland. ALSO SEE:  240 Customs Officers Sacked Over Forged Certificates Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.” Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely Have you got a link? We'll have a little look-see.

type in muslims burn swiss flag on google.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ...

" ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

In 2011.

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

"Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

"Petrusic says he himself is Christian ... "


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double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:33am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:32am: PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag  January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims. muslims-burn-swiss-flag Gatestone Institute reports: The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland. ALSO SEE:  240 Customs Officers Sacked Over Forged Certificates Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.” Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely Have you got a link? We'll have a little look-see. type in muslims burn swiss flag on google.

No, I'd like a direct link to your site, Homo. That's the way we check things.

If you don't want me to look, no worries.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ... " ... a Christian multi-culturalist." In 2011. http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm "Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead. "Petrusic says he himself is Christian ... " https://media.giphy.com/media/QgixZj4y3TwnS/giphy.gif

Yes yes, Greggery, we know. You've proven the story's a fake.

We're in the mopping up phase, where the stragglers come up with a few what-ifs. Homo's going to post his link so we can try to ascertain how they made up their story.

I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though.

There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo.

Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from.

Who makes this stuff up?

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up?

It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it.

Right. Good work, Homo.

You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants.

The question I have is who does this, and why?

It must be the End Times:


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Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why?

So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag??

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:58am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why? So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag??

It's pretty obvious, Homo.

Because it's the Danish flag.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:58am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why? So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag?? It's pretty obvious, Homo. Because it's the Danish flag.

put the piss away and try to make sense pecca.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:07pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:58am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why? So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag?? It's pretty obvious, Homo. Because it's the Danish flag. put the piss away and try to make sense pecca.

The story in the OP is not true.

It was a Christian who suggested that the cross be removed.

And, it happened back in 2011.

Moreover, the flag burning photo is not related: that's a Danish flag (from 2008, in Pakistan).

You've been had, my boy.

How does it feel?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:07pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:04pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:58am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why? So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag?? It's pretty obvious, Homo. Because it's the Danish flag. put the piss away and try to make sense pecca. The story in the OP is not true. It was a Christian who suggested that the cross be removed. And, it happened back in 2011. Moreover, the flag burning photo is not related: that's a Danish flag (from 2008, in Pakistan). You've been had, my boy. How does it feel?

I wrote that it wasn't true. If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish.

666

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish.

Look at the top: it meets the border.

And, on our right: it goes almost to the border.

Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre.

That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008.

They are burning a Danish flag.

You've been had.


https://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Switzerland/Flag-Pins-Switzerland-Denmark.jpg

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:58am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:48am: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:46am: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:44am: I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though. There we have it. Good of you to acknowledge the trick, Homo. Where did you look it up? I'd like to know where they got their fake picture from. Who makes this stuff up? It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it. Right. Good work, Homo. You’ve uncovered the source, and proven the story’s a carefully contrived porkie pie. You’ve uncovered evidence of what appears to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against Muslim immigrants. The question I have is who does this, and why? So my first question stands. Why don't you think that is the Swiss flag??

JS has already told you. The Swiss flag is an equal-armed cross at the centre of a red flag. Athos' picture is a white crucifix against a red background. You can see this. They're holding the flag up.

Your analysis could well be correct: they're burning the image of a crucifix. My bet is there's more to it than that. That flag represents something or someone - someone who has annoyed the Muslims in the picture. But we know it's not a Swiss flag.

We had this discussion when the article came out in 2011, which is why this is so tedious. We apologists have to keep coming out to rebut the same krap, time and time again. Can't they, as Greggery says, at least make up something new?

The story itself makes no sense. Why would immigrant Muslims complain about a flag? It's as ridiculous as the Muslims-destroying-Christmas porkie. Immigrants don't protest against the culture and traditions of their host countries. This would only make them look bad. Muslims don't protest against Christian symbols. Their own religion accommodates Christianity. The Quran advises readers to keep faith with Christians, or "people of the book", the Bible. Muslims see themselves as part of the same monotheistic tradition. Christ is a Muslim prophet. Christmas is celebrated as a public holiday in all the big Muslim countries - Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia. There are Christmas decorations galore.

So armed with this information, why would anyone assert that Muslims rail against Christian symbols, particularly in the host countries they've immigrated to? The idea is ludicrous, so it should be clear that any allegations of Muslims trying to ban Christian symbols on national flags is ridiculous. And if that's not good enough, we have the words of Muslim leaders themselves, who must get sick of repeatedly coming out to rebut this krap:


Quote:

Muslim leaders in the country have been quick to voice their disagreement with Petrusic and distance themselves from his demands. Hisham Maizar, head of Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, said the proposal for a religion-neutral flag was wrong and counter-productive. "We don't have any demands to upend the ancient traditions of other countries," he said.

This is all part of a systematic propaganda campaign against Muslims. I'd be fine with that if the information presented was actually true. As an apologist, I have no loyalty either way. I'm not Muslim, or Christian, or Swiss. I'm just a shameless apologist for facts.

Post something true and I'll make my judgment based on that. Put up krap, and I'll feel compelled to question it, anti-Islam porkies or not. It just so happens that today, all the krap is about Islam. I'm so used to this I sometimes question things that turn out to be true. The boy who cried wolf myth describes this situation well.

Ever get the felling you're being cheated? I do. Continually.

If you don't, and you're as happy as a pig in sh!t believing any old krap put to you, no worries. Your views are formed by lies, so don't expect anyone to take you seriously. There are a number posters here who believe in the use of lies as a campaign against Muslims. FD is one. Unfortunately, because of this, those posters have no credibility. No matter how much they write, few believe it. Worse, much of what they write goes unread.

This debate is not about Islam versus the West, it's about lies versus truth. The opening post in this thread makes that all too clear. This is a systematic program of misinformation waged to trick people into following a particular agenda. It's not new, of course, but the technology has expanded. When lies were spread by pamphleteers, they didn't reach millions of people in seconds. This has led to various forms of mass hysteria. None of it is useful. How can an attitude or belief be useful if it's based on a lie?

As Bush said, you are either with us, or you're with the terrorists. It's up to you which side you want to be on.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

666

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:23pm: 666

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. https://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Switzerland/Flag-Pins-Switzerland-Denmark.jpg

It doesn't meet the border. It looks like it does because the flag is bent over. Stop being argumentative when you know it is the Swiss flag. It's not my fault you are wrong.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had.

Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky.

More than usual, anyway.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky. More than usual, anyway.

But it isn't the Swiss flag cherry popper.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky. More than usual, anyway. But it isn't the Swiss flag cherry popper.

DANISH FLAG!!!! >:(

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:50pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky. More than usual, anyway. But it isn't the Swiss flag cherry popper. DANISH FLAG!!!! >:(

Yes, but for some strange reason, the old boy likes Danish.

He's assimilated in every other way, of course. He even has a tan.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:51pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:50pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky. More than usual, anyway. But it isn't the Swiss flag cherry popper. DANISH FLAG!!!! >:( Yes, but for some strange reason, the old boy likes Danish. He's assimilated in every other way, of course. He even has a tan.

They beat Pakis.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. https://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Switzerland/Flag-Pins-Switzerland-Denmark.jpg It doesn't meet the border. It looks like it does because the flag is bent over. Stop being argumentative when you know it is the Swiss flag. It's not my fault you are wrong.

It's a Danish flag.

In Pakistan, in 2008.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 3:49pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:25pm: double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 12:22pm: If you look at the photo the white cross doesn't meet the border of the flag (Swiss). If the cross meets the border it's Danish. Look at the top: it meets the border. And, on our right: it goes almost to the border. Moreover, the vertical part of the cross is not in the centre. That photo was taken in Pakistan, in February 2008. They are burning a Danish flag. You've been had. Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky. More than usual, anyway. But it isn't the Swiss flag cherry popper.

Correct.

It's the Danish flag.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote:

They beat Pakis.

They have a green flag, dear. Instead of a crucifix, they have the star and crescent.

It's an easy mistake to make. It's quite common to confuse Pakis. Take your neighbour. He's just a generic tinted person you've confused for a Paki.

Sure, you had to make up stories about presents of goat meat and his wife wearing a burqa to do the gardening, so it's easy to see how you mixed things up.

You two can gang up as much as you want, it won't make the Swiss flag the Danish flag.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

You two can gang up as much as you want, it won't make the Swiss flag the Danish flag.

Indeed.

And the flag in that photo is the Danish flag.

Pakistan, 2008.

Over some silly cartoon.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

You two can gang up as much as you want, it won't make the Swiss flag the Danish flag.

Gee, you're right. I hadn't thought about us ganging up on you like that. Now that I think about it, our behavior here has been appalling. It's tantamount to bullying, it really is.

I apologize. Please don't do anything to harm yourself, Homo. If it will make you feel better, I'll take it all back. Yes, it's the Swiss flag, yes the Muslims are trying to ban it, and yes. The Muslims are trying to take away our proud Western culture. They want kill us all off and take over the world.

Let's get them first. We'll ban them, kill them and nuke them.

Do you feel a bit better now?

This sort of bullying should not be tolerated.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:18pm: You two can gang up as much as you want, it won't make the Swiss flag the Danish flag. Gee, you're right. I hadn't thought about us ganging up on you like that. Now that I think about it, our behavior here has been appalling. It's tantamount to bullying, it really is. I apologize. Please don't do anything to harm yourself, Homo. If it will make you feel better, I'll take it all back. Yes, it's the Swiss flag, yes the Muslims are trying to ban it, and yes. The Muslims are trying to take away our proud Western culture. They want kill us all off and take over the world. Do you feel a bit better now?

It's alright. Heavy opinionated leftist upstarts like you and pecca always travel  in schools. I'm used to it. I prefer to be my own man.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 4:18pm: You two can gang up as much as you want, it won't make the Swiss flag the Danish flag. Indeed. And the flag in that photo is the Danish flag. Pakistan, 2008. Over some silly cartoon.

Please don't victimize Homo like that, Greggery, it's really mean.

No, the least we can do is agree with him.

I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this.

Karnal put it well:

"This debate is not about Islam versus the West, it's about lies versus truth. The opening post in this thread makes that all too clear. This is a systematic program of misinformation waged to trick people into following a particular agenda. It's not new, of course, but the technology has expanded. When lies were spread by pamphleteers, they didn't reach millions of people in seconds. This has led to various forms of mass hysteria. None of it is useful. How can an attitude or belief be useful if it's based on a lie?"

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this.

Now now, G, that’s a bit unfair.

I’m expecting FD to read my posts as supporting the propagation of porkie pies and demand that you quote the posts - in the correct sequence - so that he can read them properly.

*yawn*

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

*yawn*

Is that you, Mistie?

I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia.

So unfair.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:00pm: I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this. Now now, G, that’s a bit unfair. I’m expecting FD to read my posts as supporting the propagation of porkie pies and demand that you quote the posts - in the correct sequence - so that he can read them properly.

Thats actually far too close to the truth to be funny.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:11pm: *yawn* Is that you, Mistie? I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia. So unfair.

I wish I was doc, Karnal. I'd be ever so smart and I'd have a phd from a university. Founded online.  Never accredited. But that's thanks to the left because the university didn't wish to teach me socialism.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:11pm: *yawn* Is that you, Mistie? I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia. So unfair. I wish I was doc, Karnal.

We all do, Alevine, we all do.

It would give us the chance to emmigrate to a Muslim country to teach them how to behave.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:11pm: *yawn* Is that you, Mistie? I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia. So unfair. I wish I was doc, Karnal. We all do, Alevine, we all do. It would give us the chance to emmigrate to a Muslim country to teach them how to behave.

You can thank progressivism for it all, Karnal.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:30pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 8:11pm: *yawn* Is that you, Mistie? I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia. So unfair. I wish I was doc, Karnal. We all do, Alevine, we all do. It would give us the chance to emmigrate to a Muslim country to teach them how to behave. You can thank progressivism for it all, Karnal.

True, but Mistie’s hoping to be exiled for being a member of an incompatible culture, so that settles that.

What sort of traitor leaves their own people?

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

What sort of traitor leaves their own people?

Progressives. It's all progressives fault.

https://interformations.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/stopp-ja-zum-minarett-verbot1.jpg

https://youtu.be/fA6XcyXsxXU?t=27

https://youtu.be/fA6XcyXsxXU?t=117

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

It would be nice if articles like this included the most basic information like who is making such "demands". It's become possible to make any old claim and package it as news.

link

Muslims in Europe and Scandinavia have started digging their own graves. It's only a matter of time before a series of massacres will occur.

Meanwhile, back in Britain, the Muslims are chalking up the same sort of statistics as you'll find in any other Western country ...

"One in five inmates serving sentences in Britain's maximum security jails are Muslim, figures show.

There are currently 5,885 highly dangerous criminals behind bars in the eight Category A prisons in the UK, of which 1,229 follow the Islamic faith.

The figure equates to 20 per cent of high-security prisoners and, according to figures obtained by The Sun, is an increase of 23 per cent from five years ago".

link

What's more appalling is that there's no policy of deporting these vermin once they've done their time.

athos wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

https://youtu.be/fA6XcyXsxXU?t=117

Interesting.

If the native Britisher wants to change things then the place to do it is at the election polling booths.

Not once over the past 60 years have the British voted in a party whose platform is to restore Britain to the native Britisher through programs of enforced assimilation, deportations, limitations upon mosque numbers, stopping all further Muslim immigration, financial incentives to pay Muslims to leave, the disbanding of Muslim schools, etc etc.

At the last election the public didn't even vote Nigel Farage's UKIP party to win more than just one lonely MP's seat in parliament.

Pathetic.

The Muslim situation in Britain is entirely the British voters own fault. 60 goddamn years to wake up to what was happening to them through Muslim and Black immigration.

They deserve the angst and the pain they're feeling now.

It's WAY too late to start shouting in the streets about whole neighbourhoods now being under the control of hostile Muslims.

And then again these groups are protesting in the wrong places.

The ONLY proper place to hold rallies and demonstrations is outside the British Houses of Parliament and Number 10 Downing street.

That's where the REAL culprits are - Not the bearded Muslims selling fruit and vegetables in their little shops in the High Streets throughout the UK.



 

What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda?

Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully unaware your story’s a complete hoax.

Do you think we should fill him in, or just play dumb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa80bT4LbxI

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25th, 2016 at 6:00pm: I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this. Karnal put it well: "This debate is not about Islam versus the West, it's about lies versus truth. The opening post in this thread makes that all too clear. This is a systematic program of misinformation waged to trick people into following a particular agenda. It's not new, of course, but the technology has expanded. When lies were spread by pamphleteers, they didn't reach millions of people in seconds. This has led to various forms of mass hysteria. None of it is useful. How can an attitude or belief be useful if it's based on a lie?"

Profits are built on lies... If markets were perfect the consumer would never pay too much!

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully aware your story’s a complete hoax.

No answer, Athos?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm: What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully aware your story’s a complete hoax. No answer, Athos?

He's decided to turn this into a random Islam-bashing thread - cause you know, we just don't have a enough of those here.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully unaware your story’s a complete hoax. Do you think we should fill him in, or just play dumb?

good propoganda. Goebbels could take lessons from you. The story isnt a hoax. The headline may or may not be inaccurate.

Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here.

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:23pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm: What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully unaware your story’s a complete hoax. Do you think we should fill him in, or just play dumb? good propoganda. Goebbels could take lessons from you. The story isnt a hoax. The headline may or may not be inaccurate.

You’ve got another one, Athos. Should we keep pretending, or do you want to come kleen?

good projection Karnal. You have been taking lessons.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here.

the story wasnt misrepresented.

Sure Ian - as long as we completely redefine what the word "misrepresented" means:

from the OP:

Quote:

The Muslim group behind this demand known as the “Secondos,”  began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims.

whereas in reality...


Quote:

"Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities. "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

He's decided to turn this into a random Islam-bashing thread - cause you know, we just don't have a enough of those here.

It's not because of that.

It's because more space is needed due to the sheer volume of material that emerges from across the world daily, about Muslims Behaving Badly.

A veritable dump-truck of Muslim Mischief turns up daily in the uncensored media that is still left to us.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:27am:

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

A solitary Christian multiculturalist: just one. But then how many Muslims voiced their approval of this suggestion?

But okay - keeping things honest.

"Apparently, this circumstance was taken into account by the head of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Switzerland Mayzar Hisham, who called the idea of ​​changing the flag "counterproductive." He said that they did not demand anyone to change the ancient traditions of their countries".

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 1:27am: "The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist. A solitary Christian multiculturalist: just one. But then how many Muslims voiced their approval of this suggestion?

None.

For someone who wants to keep things honest, Herbie, you seem quite happy to propagate a lie.

Can I suggest something? In future, check the source of the article. Check the evidence. If there's no facts or names in the article, there's a good chance it's a hoax. If there's no actual facts, there's a good chance it's just fiction fabricated in Fleet street by an ambitious journalist working for the UK Daily Mail.

Chattering away about krap is exactly what they want you to do.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:16am:

A veritable dump-truck of Muslim Mischief turns up daily in the uncensored media that is still left to us.

Ah.

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented.

Oh, it certainly was.

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post?

No.

It was very good advice.

You're just pissed off because you got sucked in by yet another piece of Islamophobic propaganda.

I'm guessing it won't be the last time, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented. Oh, it certainly was. Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011.

i just thought Id let you dig your holes deeper.

Quote:

An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:29am: ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented. Oh, it certainly was. Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011. i just thought Id let you dig your holes deeper. Quote: An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post?

Ah?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post?

it's that time of the month.

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:29am: ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented. Oh, it certainly was. Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011. i just thought Id let you dig your holes deeper. Quote: An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855

Sorry to be hysterical, Ian, but try Googling Second@s Plus. I've also tried Secondos and Secondus. it doesn't exist.

As Greggery has pointed out, this is a 5 year old story. We had this discussion back in 2011, and we even discussed the membership based on an old internet story. According to the founder, there were no Muslims in the group, or none that he knew about. Secondos are a Swiss group representing second-generation children of migrants, or people born in Switzerland.

You're free to keep trying to defend this, but you'll need to start posting some facts. This story was done and dusted in 2011, and the website of the organization, whatever it's called, appears to have been taken down.

Forgive my hysteria though, dear. It's that time of the month.

http://www.secondos-plus.ch/

Karnal caught lying again. 

double plus good wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:09pm: Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post? it's that time of the month.

Isn't there hormone therapy to treat these things nowadays?

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011.

Huh?

It's all been covered and laid to rest hours ago.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

double plus good wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:23pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:09pm: Did I detect a tone of screeching hysteria in Karnal's little tanty in the above post? it's that time of the month. Isn't there hormone therapy to treat these things nowadays?

Not really, Herb. We'll have to take really hysterical action.

I say we round them all into stadiums and line them up to be shot in the back of the head. Or put them into gas chambers disguised as showers. Or drop them all out of helicopters into the Pacific ocean.

You know, in the fullness of time. As you yourself argue.

Where's Richard I when you need him?

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.

Do you know? Thank you. I'm quite happy to be caught lying if it proves the truth.


Quote:

Willkommen auf der Homepage des Vereins Second@s Plus Schweiz.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 3:03pm: Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011. Huh? It's all been covered and laid to rest hours ago.

Correct.

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

It's all been covered and laid to rest hours ago.

We've laid quite a few of yours to rest, Herbie. The NSW Health mail-out to Muslim doctors. The Muslim library book scam. There's quite a few more. There's so many I can't remember them all. All those friends of friends and blokes you met at work once.

Still, I don't think we've ever asked you directly - do you support lies in your campaign against Muslims?

Sorry to ask, Herb, but it's that time of the month.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:29am: ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented. Oh, it certainly was. Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011. i just thought Id let you dig your holes deeper. Quote: An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855 Sorry to be hysterical, Ian, but try Googling Second@s Plus. I've also tried Secondos and Secondus. it doesn't exist. .

Did that when I read the story. They do exist, and their membership is as I showed, mainly 2nd generation Muslim immigrants, google will even show you pictures and names of their membership. Maybe you need to go back to google school or something. Watching you and that fagboy post lie after lie in this thread was quite entertaining. Oh what a  web you weave Karnal.

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:32pm: ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:29am: ian wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 11:32pm: Good point ian - the OP is a bald-faced lie, but at least the story they misrepresented isn't a hoax. Thats the important thing here. the story wasnt misrepresented. Oh, it certainly was. Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag. A Christian suggested it. That's all. In 2011. i just thought Id let you dig your holes deeper. Quote: An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.” Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855 Sorry to be hysterical, Ian, but try Googling Second@s Plus. I've also tried Secondos and Secondus. it doesn't exist. . Did that when I read the story. They do exist, and their membership is as I showed, mainly 2nd generation Muslim immigrants, google will even show you pictures and names of their membership. Maybe you need to go back to google school or something. Watching you and that fagboy post lie after lie in this thread was quite entertaining. Oh what a  web you weave Karnal.

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

Back in 2011.

That's all.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Still, I don't think we've ever asked you directly - do you support lies in your campaign against Muslims?

we dont need to ask you if you support lies in your apologism for Muslims now do we?

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 5:25pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 3:21pm: Still, I don't think we've ever asked you directly - do you support lies in your campaign against Muslims?   we dont need to ask you if you support lies in your apologism for Muslims now do we?

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

Back in 2011.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm: What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully aware your story’s a complete hoax. No answer, Athos?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/43/0a/03430a930e8e3c32941de40d2c9999e5.jpg

Official: Italians are worse surrender monkeys than the French

Out of respect for Iranian President Hassam Rouhani, Italy’s Prime Minister Matteo Renzi had a series of nude statues at the Capitoline Museum completely covered for the leader’s visit Tuesday, which has a number of Italians hopping mad.

Moreover, at the banquet held in Rouhani’s honor, no wine was served at table to anyone, out of respect for the Muslim rule of abstinence.

....


“To cover the statues of the Capitoline Museums, to cover and symbolically renounce our art and our culture,” the piece continues, “means the surrender of a country and a national and global embarrassment that no Italian citizen deserved and no business deal justifies.”

Prior to the visit to the Museum, Rouhani reportedly signed contracts with Italy worth up to $18.4 billion.

....

Some even compared Italy unfavorably to France, because when Rouhani was invited to a formal lunch at the Élysée in Paris last November, French President Hollande refused to remove the wine from the table. The Iranian eventually bowed out of the meal when his demands for a halal, alcohol-free menu was declined.

On Tuesday afternoon, Pope Francis met with the Iranian President for 40 minutes behind closed doors, the first meeting between a pope and Iranian leader since 1999. None of the nude statues at the Vatican were covered.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/26/nude-statues-covered-in-rome-for-visit-of-irans-rouhani-italians-outraged/

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.

Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere.

athos wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 8:40pm: Melanias purse wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm: What’s the plan now, Athos? Cover this mess up.with more propaganda? Check out Herbie. He’s blissfully aware your story’s a complete hoax. No answer, Athos? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/43/0a/03430a930e8e3c32941de40d2c9999e5.jpg

A white flag from Athos.

Nice   ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere.

Seeing as its in german, i find your inability to extract information from it wholly unsurprising.

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Seeing as its in german, i find your inability to extract information from it wholly unsurprising.

Two white flags.

Anyone else?

You remind me of a bit on the simpsons

Marge: youre just hearing what you want to hear!
Homer:  thanks, i'd love a beer!

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Seeing as its in german, i find your inability to extract information from it wholly unsurprising.

Hit "Translate Page", Honky.

It isn't that hard.

It isn't that interesting either.

I've caught karnal lying - my work here is done.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere.

Oh, I know. Strangely enough, Ian thinks you can Google the members - with pictures. He found all this in a search.

He’s not lying either. He really does believe this.

We won’t ask him for proof. That would be mean.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere.

Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here.

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here.

Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia.

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

It isn't that interesting either. I've caught karnal lying - my work here is done.

True, you did. Karnal was silly enough to say your site didn’t exist, rather than simply saying he couldn’t find it.

Peer review, innit. It’s a good thing Greggery taught you how to read Deutsche, nein?

You can check out the Muselman aspect of this sinister Sec@ndo organisation yourself. I’ve never used Google translate myself. I was silly enough to.rely on my high school German. 

I’m just glad we’re all friends here, Honky. Some might find the scientific method a little challenging, but not us.

We’re all one here, no?

Hold up your hand if you blame Islam.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:

ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here. Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia.

What makes you say that, Herbie?

I’m.curious.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

Hold up your hand if you blame Islam.

and scream hallelujah?

HALLELUJAH!

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:18pm: ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here. Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. What makes you say that, Herbie? I’m.curious.

Huh? I read it this morning in Pravda. If I'm wrong I won't be losing any sleep over it.

It's enough for me that the chief honcho of the Swiss Muslims declared a push to have the Swiss flag changed as being "Counter-productive".

This thread should have terminated several pages back.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:18pm: ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here. Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. What makes you say that, Herbie? I’m.curious.

Huh? I read it this morning in Pravda. If I'm wrong I won't be losing any sleep over it.

It's enough for me that the chief honcho of the Swiss Muslims declared a push to have the Swiss flag changed as being "Counter-productive".

This thread should have terminated several pages back.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:18pm: ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here. Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. What makes you say that, Herbie? I’m.curious.

Huh? I read it this morning in Pravda. If I'm wrong I won't be losing any sleep over it.

It's enough for me that the chief honcho of the Swiss Muslims declared a push to have the Swiss flag changed as being "Counter-productive".

This thread should have terminated several pages back.

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

It isn't that interesting either.

Says nothing about Muslims.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:21pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:18pm: ian wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:44pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Their membership is mainly 2nd generation Muslims, as I posted. You arent making yourself look too smart here. Ian is correct. 2nd generation Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. What makes you say that, Herbie? I’m.curious. Huh? I read it this morning in Pravda. If I'm wrong I won't be losing any sleep over it. It's enough for me that the chief honcho of the Swiss Muslims declared a push to have the Swiss flag changed as being "Counter-productive". This thread should have terminated several pages back.

So you’re justifying a lie with a lie about a lie?

Cunning. Unfortunately, the Leadership will need to terminate your Antipodean posting, Herbie. You’ve gone native.

Report back to Headquarters for debriefing immediately.

Meeeeanwhile ... (sorry to keep you waiting, gandalf) ...

"A Kosovan refugee has been jailed after threatening to cut out his wife's heart because she had become 'too English' "

Dear O dear O dear .... and what do we have here?

link

Amazing ... absolutely amazing.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Cunning. Unfortunately, the Leadership will need to terminate your Antipodean posting, Herbie. You’ve gone native. Report back to Headquarters for debriefing immediately.

I can't, Colonel - I've gone 'Rambo' ... All I wanted was a meal in the local town, but the sheriff picked me up and dumped me over the other side of the bridge.

You’re expendable, Herbie. You should know that by now.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

You’re expendable, Herbie. You should know that by now.

Your choosing to play the role of village idíot and court clown in response to what's happening in Europe and Scandinavia - and board members' comments about it - is pitifully pathetic.

You're a 'rusted-on' - a fanatic in your own way, just like the other leftwing clowns here.

Here's Pat Condell asking what does it take for you petulant childlike Deniers to finally come to your senses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va0uJ43OzeA

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

Back n 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:05pm: You’re expendable, Herbie. You should know that by now. Your choosing to play the role of village idíot and court clown in response to what's happening in Europe and Scandinavia - and board members' comments about it - is pitifully pathetic. You're a 'rusted-on' - a fanatic in your own way, just like the other leftwing clowns here. Here's Pat Condell asking what does it take for you petulant childlike Deniers to finally come to your senses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va0uJ43OzeA

Am I now? Who’s still pretending Muslims are trying to change European flags?

Who said they don't care whether it's a porkie of not?

And who wants this thread "terminated", presumably because it's not going his way?

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:23pm: It isn't that interesting either. I've caught karnal lying - my work here is done. True, you did. Karnal was silly enough to say your site didn’t exist, rather than simply saying he couldn’t find it.

But that's not the depth of your lie, is it karnal?

You also lied about not being able to find it.

---

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

Back n 2011.

... wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:31am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:19pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 7:23pm: It isn't that interesting either. I've caught karnal lying - my work here is done. True, you did. Karnal was silly enough to say your site didn’t exist, rather than simply saying he couldn’t find it. But that's not the depth of your lie, is it karnal? You also lied about not being able to find it.

Cunning, no? I still can't find it without your link.

Mind you, I'm using Bing: the search engine of choice for LIARS.

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Am I now? Who’s still pretending Muslims are trying to change European flags? Who said they don't care whether it's a porkie of not? And who wants this thread "terminated", presumably because it's not going his way?

This is what I posted on page 7 - and followed up with saying that as the top banana in the Muslim community in Switzerland is saying that a flag change would be ... "counter-productive" ... then the thread can be terminated as dead-in-the-water so far as Muslim culpability is concerned.

If you're having problems keeping up with the posts on this thread, then perhaps you should reserve your opinions rather than making an ass of yourself.

"But okay - keeping things honest.

"Apparently, this circumstance was taken into account by the head of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Switzerland Mayzar Hisham, who called the idea of ​​changing the flag "counterproductive." He said that they did not demand anyone to change the ancient traditions of their countries".

... wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:25pm: ... wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 2:42pm: http://www.secondos-plus.ch/ Karnal caught lying again.  Did you visit the site Honky? Interestingly I couldn't find any mention of it being a muslim organisation - anywhere. Seeing as its in german, i find your inability to extract information from it wholly unsurprising.

See the words "Translate this page", in blue?

Take a guess at what happens when you click those links.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Capture_004.PNG

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 7:57am: Am I now? Who’s still pretending Muslims are trying to change European flags? Who said they don't care whether it's a porkie of not? And who wants this thread "terminated", presumably because it's not going his way? This is what I posted on page 7 - and followed up with saying that as the top banana in the Muslim community in Switzerland is saying that a flag change would be ... "counter-productive" ... then the thread can be terminated as dead-in-the-water so far as Muslim culpability is concerned. If you're having problems keeping up with the posts on this thread, then perhaps you should reserve your opinions rather than making an ass of yourself. "But okay - keeping things honest. "Apparently, this circumstance was taken into account by the head of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Switzerland Mayzar Hisham, who called the idea of ​​changing the flag "counterproductive." He said that they did not demand anyone to change the ancient traditions of their countries".

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

Back n 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 7:57am: Am I now? Who’s still pretending Muslims are trying to change European flags? Who said they don't care whether it's a porkie of not? And who wants this thread "terminated", presumably because it's not going his way? This is what I posted on page 7 - and followed up with saying that as the top banana in the Muslim community in Switzerland is saying that a flag change would be ... "counter-productive" ... then the thread can be terminated as dead-in-the-water so far as Muslim culpability is concerned.

Of course it's counter-productive. Imagine moving to a new country and arguing they should change their flag. Who would do this? Who has done this? And most importantly, why?

Why would an immigrant care about a country's flag?

The answers to these questions are all clues that the proposition of this thread is ludicrous. The idea that Muslims are leading an attack on Western culture and the symbols of western nationalism has been twisted into surreal arguments like this one. That such porkies are created and spread in the first place is not the whole problem.

The problem is that people believe it without a shred of evidence. The problem is that people are happy to accept it, even when its proven to be a lie. The problem is that when it comes to Muslims, people are happy to throw basic human psychology out the window.

The strange thing is, you've acknowledged that the Muslims you once knew and worked with were "good people". Despite this, you're prepared to suspend all disbelief and swallow any old Muslim story, even the porkies. You have, of course, been caught out spreading your own porkies, so it makes some sense. You see yourself as an active player in the propaganda campaign. You spread lies yourself, and when people call you on them, you play the victim and say they should be banned from any threads you start. You call them hysterical. You call them liars. You play every trick in the book to silence those who point out your porkies.

No worries, Herbie. You're a propagandist. My worry is that as information technology expands, people are losing their critical ability. They accept the lies as news. They don't read for basic facts, but quick judgments. There is so much news and information out there, they just want to be told the truth, and in so doing, they accept the lies. People skim read and don't pay attention to the facts they're presented. As we move into an age where information and social media drives politics, topples governments and causes revolutions, these skills are critical.

Your argument, on the other hand, is that people dismiss all this and blindly accept your message, even when it's a lie. You argue that this is happening already, and yes, on this we agree. Look how many in this thread are still supporting a lie, even when the basis of that lie is delusional. Of course Muslims trying to change a European flag would be counter-productive. What could possibly be in it for them?

Hold up your hand if you blame Islam.