The majority of adult white Brits have put Jesus out to pasture.

link

its not how you pray its how you live..

if we are getting more feral..and murderous  then I agree we have forsaken Jesus...

in the mean time I almost never go to church..

I dont consider that to be essential for me to be a Christian

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

The majority of adult white Brits have put Jesus out to pasture. link

England's established Church has been dying for decades, largely by having essentially non-christian beliefs and practices. Ironically, Australian Churches are setting up congregations there and thriving. Hillsong has several there with a few thousand members as does and Adelaide group. Several American churches are doing the same. The Anglican Church is one generation away from non-existence.

People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore.

As people become more accepting of reality and less accepting of pie-in-the-sky wishful-thinking, the superstitions that underpin religious observance will slowly wither and die on the vine as intellectually redundant and insupportable.

But it must be allowed to die a natural death.

We live in an Age of Reason in which critical-thinking is even allowed Western adults to question the Bible's fictionalised accounts of Life, the Universe, and everything in between ... a burning-at-the-stake offence not so long ago.

But more than just asking "Does God exist?", most thinking people have gone beyond that to now ask ... "Is God's moral conscience as good as mine?" - with the answer coming back in the negative over so many unnecessarily cruel events that we witness every day in our news bulletins.

There was no intercession by God at Auschwitz ... or in the children's cancer wards ... That's because of 'free will'.

So if there's a God - so what? In terms of human generations slowly crawling their way forward to a more improved civilisation - 'God' is totally irrelevant.

It's heartening to know that at least 50% of Britain's white adult population is at last emerging into the light after 2000 years of being stoned on Biblical fantasies.

link

Now I'm worried its the fifth sign of the apocalypse.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

As people become more accepting of reality and less accepting of pie-in-the-sky wishful-thinking, the superstitions that underpin religious observance will slowly wither and die on the vine as intellectually redundant and insupportable. But it must be allowed to die a natural death. We live in an Age of Reason in which critical-thinking is even allowed Western adults to question the Bible's fictionalised accounts of Life, the Universe, and everything in between ... a burning-at-the-stake offence not so long ago. But more than just asking "Does God exist?", most thinking people have gone beyond that to now ask ... "Is God's moral conscience as good as mine?" - with the answer coming back in the negative over so many unnecessarily cruel events that we witness every day in our news bulletins. There was no intercession by God at Auschwitz ... or in the children's cancer wards ... That's because of 'free will'. So if there's a God - so what? In terms of human generations slowly crawling their way forward to a more improved civilisation - 'God' is totally irrelevant. It's heartening to know that at least 50% of Britain's white adult population is at last emerging into the light after 2000 years of being stoned on Biblical fantasies. link

Herb?  I'm impressed!  A very very good post!  +50000000000

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

Now I'm worried its the fifth sign of the apocalypse.

You're another one ...


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/61f89c03-c5cd-43cb-b539-684c1be757ca.png

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore.

You judge that by the utopian, war-free, crime-free, violence free word of 2016?

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. You judge that by the utopian, war-free, crime-free, violence free word of 2016?

The majority of conflicts are the result of religion.  For some interesting reason it can be seen that as a country becomes  more secular it becomes more prosperous and peaceful.   I wonder why....

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore.

That's actually quite insightful of you.

That's the personal reason for people opting out of religious observances, but on a more social level 98% of the world's population is obliged to be visibly religious so as not to be ostracised from their village community and be thought to be witches deserving of being stoned or burned to death.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:42am:

For some interesting reason it can be seen that as a country becomes  more secular it becomes more prosperous and peaceful.   I wonder why....

Correct.

It's an inverse proportion thing.

The more saturated the society is with religious mania - the poorer the country, and the more likely the country is run by a corrupt military junta or a gangster family dynasty with a feared Secret Police to grab any whingers off the streets.

It's why the US hasn't reached its full potential yet. It's a country where religion is pounded into the schoolchildren as with no other Western country except Ireland, Italy, Greece and Poland.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. You judge that by the utopian, war-free, crime-free, violence free word of 2016?

No I judge that from the violence associated with religious types, ISIS, al-Qaeda, Republican gun nuts.

"Mankind says God does not exist."       ???

Well shock, horror!     ...and boo-hoo!

I'm sure that God is quaking in his boots!             :)



".....as the days of Noe were...."

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


Revelation 14:15-19
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.


Joel 3:13
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

;D ;D ;D

My apologies, Yadda!

I'm going out to the backyard RIGHT NOW to dig a fox-hole where I'm going to jump in and not be an atheist!


(No atheists in fox-holes)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:39am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. You judge that by the utopian, war-free, crime-free, violence free word of 2016? No I judge that from the violence associated with religious types, ISIS, al-Qaeda, Republican gun nuts.

If that is how you mind chooses to process facts then be my guest. However, it will always lead you confidently and arrogantly to the wrong conclusion.

You mean presenting facts as they actually are?

'No religion is the new norm,' says Professor Woodhead, 'and there is every indication that its majority share will continue to grow.'

Good to hear.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

You mean presenting facts as they actually are?

Oh, you think the listing of a few facts without context amounts to Truth?

Your world must be a very different place to the one the rest of us live in.

I'm glad theres a context to terrorism and Republican gun nuts.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore.

I'm not sure thats right.
i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people.
You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy"
It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked.
And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves.
Their ego's wont like this.
Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do.
Paradoxically though, the opposite is true.

If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

Now I'm worried its the fifth sign of the apocalypse.

As the English society has walked away from Jesus it has 
declined dramatically.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:20am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:29am: Now I'm worried its the fifth sign of the apocalypse. As the English society has walked away from Jesus it has  declined dramatically.

Explain.

Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline.
Their society is worse to live in now than then.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then.

Perhaps.

This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;)

Fearful of what exactly, an afterlife? How can I as an atheist be fearful of something I think doesnt exist.


Oh, wait, I'm fearful of unicorns.

Everyones' a Christian but rejects Christ - oh ok ! ya bunch of hypocrites, you're all just confirming once again why you vote for the Lib Lab Christ, no Christian values there, only stealing, adultery, lying, cheating, defame, slander etc etc 

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people.

I've mentioned this before, so you really have no excuse.

Many Buddhists are also atheist.  Depending on your sect, you being a Buddhist has nothing to do with belief in a god.

Stratos wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. I've mentioned this before, so you really have no excuse. Many Buddhists are also atheist.  Depending on your sect, you being a Buddhist has nothing to do with belief in a god.

Well true, buddhism is more a philosophy.
And you can certainly read the personal philosophy of Jesus and get a lot out of it.
And i dont think there is an afterlife BUT  religion fulfils a very useful role.

If you dont see jesus or the buddha or confuscius or Lao Tzu as very gifted philosophers , you are just closing off some major avenues for personal growth.

And what exactly is the direction of your average englishman going to be.

If they wish to turn their backs on the smartest and most inspired philosophers, where are they going to get direction from?

David cameron ;)
The UN ;)
the BBC  ;)

i wouldnt be writing off religion just yet.

And , whilst it is falling in the UK (which seems to have fallen into some sort of melancholic state) , it is booming in Russia and east asia.

Other smart and inspired philosophers I guess.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;) Fearful of what exactly, an afterlife? How can I as an atheist be fearful of something I think doesnt exist. Oh, wait, I'm fearful of unicorns.

Fearful of life.
i find many aetheists have a very negative neurotic mindset (the ego loves negative neurosis as it strengthens its importance)
i find many aetheists have very serious "limiting beliefs' and "success barriers"
They lack that bravery and dynamism  that comes with the very real "self belief' that people with a strong personal philosophy have

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

Other smart and inspired philosophers I guess.

religious people , at least, are getting "some" input.

How many beaten down chodes in england , would go home from work and pull out some

Kant, schopenhauer, heidigger, decartes or aristotle??.

i think they'd be more likely to fire up the premier league.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 11:31am: Other smart and inspired philosophers I guess. religious people , at least, are getting "some" input. How many beaten down chodes in england , would go home from work and pull out some Kant, schopenhauer, heidigger, decartes or aristotle??. i think they'd be more likely to fire up the premier league.

How many pull out the bible?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:48am: aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;) Fearful of what exactly, an afterlife? How can I as an atheist be fearful of something I think doesnt exist. Oh, wait, I'm fearful of unicorns. Fearful of life. i find many aetheists have a very negative neurotic mindset (the ego loves negative neurosis as it strengthens its importance) i find many aetheists have very serious "limiting beliefs' and "success barriers" They lack that bravery and dynamism  that comes with the very real "self belief' that people with a strong personal philosophy have

I think you need to get out of Bega.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future.

Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere.

IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian.

I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people.

I remember years ago reading a cancer ward sister saying the religious ones were resentful and bitter towards the deity for their terminal condition because of having been good Christians all their life - with church attendance and 'worshipping' etc etc. - and went a lot harder than the non-religious ones.



aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;)

Horse-shít! ... sorry! I meant "a lot of horse-sense there, Aquascoot!".   :)

8-)

What is it with conservatives that they want to label any evidence based belief a religion, climate change, darwinism and atheism ( the total lack of religion) a religion  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTL-P2V8xKk&index=7&list=FLr8QXqYonXCvkQcoGqHH3dw

Brilliant just brilliant

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian.

;D ;D ;D

... and that's PRECISELY because after various civil wars the governments became divorced from the Power of the Church and it's constant meddling.

Divorce
Abortions
Homosexuality
Births out of wedlock
Compulsory church attendance for children
No sports on Sundays
No shops open on Sundays

etc etc ... The Churches ran the agenda.

Thank god secular agnosticism managed to slowly prise power out of the hands of the church leaders.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then.

they didnt seem any different when I was there last year sprint...a few more foreigners....not their fault...London still looked like London...to me the church doesnt make you a nicer person....and as we know the church is far from being what I would think Jesus had in mind...... its all about money they are worse than any Bank..gimme gimme..

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. ;D ;D ;D ... and that's PRECISELY because after various civil wars the governments became divorced from the Power of the Church and it's constant meddling.

I think he/she means pretend Christians....

the ones that sit on a wooden bench once a week.. think they are better than most.....

and quite often they are the worst..

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

I think he/she means pretend Christians.... the ones that sit on a wooden bench once a week.. think they are better than most..... and quite often they are the worst..

;D ;D ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x48-Tt0G6ts

***

I'm sure it's just coincidental, but two of the most rotten characters that I ever knew personally - were full of pious religiosity.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR ...

I never mentioned anything about an atheist state.

Moreover, China and USSR are completely irrelevant.

Go back to maths.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. I remember years ago reading a cancer ward sister saying the religious ones were resentful and bitter towards the deity for their terminal condition because of having been good Christians all their life - with church attendance and 'worshipping' etc etc. - and went a lot harder than the non-religious ones. aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;) Horse-shít! ... sorry! I meant "a lot of horse-sense there, Aquascoot!".   :) 8-)

If they feel that way, they have misunderstood the message. ;)

Surfers Paradise is tatty and over rated. I've seen stacks of beach towns better than the Gold Coast. The town strip is a shocker, ratty looking tourist traps.

The atmosphere of the place is decidedly down market. All it is, is a bunch of high rises on the water with a crappy Casino thrown in.

Pass

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

If they feel that way, they have misunderstood the message. ;)

;D ;D ;D

You're sounding like Kayser Trad now!

Religion is just another form of dictatorship over people's lives.

Jesus has forsaken UK for allowing too many muslims etc into the country.

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Jesus has forsaken UK for allowing too many muslims etc into the country.

No.

You didn't read the story.

The UK has forsaken Jesus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7oH6Ku27Us

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

Jesus has forsaken UK for allowing too many muslims etc into the country.

Hahahaha ow wait you were serious.....let me laugh even harder

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad.

That will only be seriously considered if you can find an substantial exception to the rule otherwise the rule is in force, despite you inconvenience with it.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad. That will only be seriously considered if you can find an substantial exception to the rule otherwise the rule is in force, despite you inconvenience with it.

There is no rule.

Sorry.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad. That will only be seriously considered if you can find an substantial exception to the rule otherwise the rule is in force, despite you inconvenience with it.

Rule?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 3:42pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad. That will only be seriously considered if you can find an substantial exception to the rule otherwise the rule is in force, despite you inconvenience with it. Rule?

Year nine maths?     :-/

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:30am: Since the 70's England has been in a continual decline. Their society is worse to live in now than then. Perhaps. This news, however, shows that there is hope for the future. Perhaps you would care to show us the shining example of the athiest state you long for.  Last I heard that included such utopian regimes such as China and USSR and let's not forget the Marxists states of... anywhere. IN contrast, the richest, most free and most democratic countries are all Christian. I think the examples you listed had atheism as inconsequential to the reasons they sucked so bad. That will only be seriously considered if you can find an substantial exception to the rule otherwise the rule is in force, despite you inconvenience with it.

what examples can you give bojack?

China and USSR are examples. Atheism was a secondary consequence to overturning existing governments.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;)

That is an assertion you cannot prove. Many people lives have been lived with out direction.

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:39am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. You judge that by the utopian, war-free, crime-free, violence free word of 2016?

Much less war than there used to be.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

China and USSR are examples. Atheism was a secondary consequence to overturning existing governments.

I prefer a western civilisation to either of those.

So do I sprintcyclist, my point is that those countries being atheist is secondary to the main reason they started.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 7:44am:

The majority of adult white Brits have put Jesus out to pasture. link

They only surveyed 1500 freaking people sigh  ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 7:44am: The majority of adult white Brits have put Jesus out to pasture. link They only surveyed 1500 freaking people sigh  ::)

1500 is statistically significant.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:15pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 7:44am: The majority of adult white Brits have put Jesus out to pasture. link They only surveyed 1500 freaking people sigh  ::) 1500 is statistically significant.

Oh sigh.....now we've got someone pretending to REALLY know statistics.

GIVEN A POPULATION OF OVER 64 MILLION PEOPLE ....1500 PEOPLE IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

::)

Might go and check my washing machine now.

>:(

When I come back, I expect to read something intelligent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination



It really comes down to how the study was conducted. But yes 1500 people could be used to determine 64 million.


It won't be as good as 3000 people, or 3 million people, but you can still use it to determine the statistical significance. Just the confidence level will be lower.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination It really comes down to how the study was conducted. But yes 1500 people could be used to determine 64 million. It won't be as good as 3000 people, or 3 million people, but you can still use it to determine the statistical significance. Just the confidence level will be lower.

Thank you for googling that information. I trust it helped YOU.

Just so you know I'm still not happy with the fact that only 1500 people were asked out of a possible 64 000 000.

In fact I'm  :(

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:24pm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination It really comes down to how the study was conducted. But yes 1500 people could be used to determine 64 million. It won't be as good as 3000 people, or 3 million people, but you can still use it to determine the statistical significance. Just the confidence level will be lower. Thank you for googling that information. I trust it helped YOU. Just so you know I'm still not happy with the fact that only 1500 people were asked out of a possible 64 000 000. In fact I'm  :(

OK, you get started on the 64 million

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:31pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:24pm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination It really comes down to how the study was conducted. But yes 1500 people could be used to determine 64 million. It won't be as good as 3000 people, or 3 million people, but you can still use it to determine the statistical significance. Just the confidence level will be lower. Thank you for googling that information. I trust it helped YOU. Just so you know I'm still not happy with the fact that only 1500 people were asked out of a possible 64 000 000. In fact I'm  :( OK, you get started on the 64 million

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aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;)

There are great many "forces" greater than people, there isn't any need for superstitious nonsense to feel connected to the world.

Kytro wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;) There are great many "forces" greater than people, there isn't any need for superstitious nonsense to feel connected to the world.

What are these great many "forces"?

Are you also known as Darth Kytro Vader by any chance?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Kytro wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 1:53pm: aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:14am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:06am: People I guess don't need  fear of an afterlife to make them do the right thing anymore. I'm not sure thats right. i find buddhists and christians far less "fearful" then secular people. You need a direction in life and you need a "personal philosophy" It doesnt probably matter in the long run which direction you take, but if you dont take a direction you are well and truly farrked. And it seems to my observations that many many aetheists would do very well to submit to a "force" greater then themselves. Their ego's wont like this. Their ego thinks they will cease to exist if they do. Paradoxically though, the opposite is true. If people think they can find peace and happiness in the secular world of "ego", i will wish them good luck. They are going to need it ;) There are great many "forces" greater than people, there isn't any need for superstitious nonsense to feel connected to the world. What are these great many "forces"? Are you also known as Darth Kytro Vader by any chance?

Well for one thing, the sun, not to mention all the other stars - but other natural forces can easily overwhelm us, not to mention other people working together - or against you.