http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-16/'racist'-survival-island-3-game-taken-down-from-appstores/7092782

A video game that appears to encourage players to kill Indigenous Australians has been removed from Google Play and iTunes after an online petition attracted more than 50,000 signatures condemning the game

The petition was started by Gadigal woman Georgia Mantle who raised concerns that it required players to survive in the Australian outback and rewarded them with weapons and food for killing Aboriginal people.

"What this is doing is making entertainment out of the murder of people based on their race," Ms Mantle told the ABC.

"Why would you allow an app that is so blatantly racist and promotes racist violence to be hosted on your sites?"

Reviews of the game, Survival Island 3 - Australia Story 3D, in the Google Play store blasted the game as "glorifying genocide" and "horrific and disgustingly racist".

The game appears to have been removed from the Google Play store, but was earlier available to download.

A spokeswoman for Google said it would not comment on individual apps, but added that the company removes applications that violate their policies.

In the petition statement, Ms Mantle said the game promoted racial violence and negative stereotypes of Indigenous Australians.

She told the ABC the game included pop-up "warning" messages.

"You [could see] a screenshot of one of the game players which had an Aboriginal man in traditional dress with a bow and arrow being pointed at them from white hands with the words saying 'beware of Aborigines'," Ms Mantle said.

"I've [spoken] to a lot of Indigenous friends that I have through uni and everyone is not only disgusted, but also just completely gobsmacked that this game actually exists."

According to the petition, the game "makes fun and sport of massacres" and violates the terms and conditions for developers on major app store providers, Google Play and Apple.

"By shooting 'dangerous Aboriginals', this app makes us inhuman, it reinforces racial violence, lack of punishment for white people taking black lives, it makes fun and sport of massacres and Frontier violence," Ms Mantle said in the statement.

"This app is another colonialist frontier and continues to exploit the deaths of many Aboriginal people without regard to the trauma that it instigates."

A spokeswoman from Apple said the app was not available in the iTunes store.

But a web cached version of the Apple iTunes webpage showed the game was available for purchase up until last week.

The iTunes app store showed screenshots of the game, including a warning for players to "beware of Aborigines", while the description said "you have to fight with Aboriginals - you invaded their home!".

Ms Mantle said any app store which sold the game was not only promoting racism but profiting from it.

The petition called for the game to be pulled from app stores and asked the developers to issue an apology.

The ABC has contacted the developers, Nil Entertainment, for comment.

Another money grab by leeches who pretend to support Aborigines

Junk it!

I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Am I really reading this? Posts condoning a computer game where the quarry are Aborigines.

Jesus wept, break out the f..king swastikas!!!!

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did you see the 'OUTRAGE" over the Australia day Underpants?

the little abbo guy didn't have a bellybutton...   ::)

we need to be compensated...  :D :D :D :D :D :D

What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent.

well done Innocent issue ... Occasionally you surprise

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent.

Well said. If it was anonymous cannibals with brown skin, perhaps. It's the use of a real peoples that is insulting. On the other hand I would not be offended by a game that portrayed Celts as head hunters and I'm of western European descent..

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm: What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent. well done Innocent ... Occasionally you surprise

There's an issue I would like to table. Innocentbystander would never say anything like that.

captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you.

Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth.
Quote:

Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!!

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!!

And here is Captain, still sooking about it.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it.

I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:23pm: issuevoter wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm: What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent. well done Innocent ... Occasionally you surprise There's an issue I would like to table. Innocentbystander would never say anything like that.

sorry ... should have read 'issue'  ...i've now edited it

red baron wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

Am I really reading this? Posts condoning a computer game where the quarry are Aborigines.

PC apologist.

Well  Goodes getting booed is true, just nothing else is.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying.

Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here.

Karnal wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:20pm: Am I really reading this? Posts condoning a computer game where the quarry are Aborigines. PC apologist.

Give him a yellow star!

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying. Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here.

Yes, Mother, but deep down, aren't we all a little racist?

Don't we all believe in getting rid of the Muslims, boongs and Pacific Islanders? Don't we all want to nuke Indonesia? Don't we all want to secure the world to make the white race great again and triumph, finally, over the cowardly, thieving nig nogs?

It's just common sense, shurely.

Karnal wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:59pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying. Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here. Yes, Mother, but deep down, aren't we all a little racist? Don't we all believe in getting rid of the Muslims, boongs and Pacific Islanders? Don't we all want to nuke Indonesia? Don't we all want to secure the world to make the white race great again and triumph, finally, over the cowardly, thieving nig nogs? It's just common sense, shurely.

SO the great unwashed on here keep telling me.

Ban them.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

SO the great unwashed on here keep telling me. Ban them.

Pin a yellow star on them.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

What ever you want to call this game, its childish and insensitive to the point of insult. If there was a game that had the English pitch-capping the Irish with boiling hot tar, it would be about as amusing. This has nothing to do with PC, it is indecent.

its trouble making its stirring up people who only need a "look"  to send them on a rampage.....

its outrageous what ever do people who come up with this type of "GAME"....have going through their minds.at the time..... I would really like to see a picture of those who design these things...so I can make sure they are not my neighbours...

then again... I wouldnt mind telling them to their faces what I think of them

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying. Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here.

You're the racist.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:59pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying. Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here. You're the racist.

Exactly. Mother keeps disagreeing with all the decent white people here.

That's racism.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:59pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:54pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:51pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:44pm: captain spaulding wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:42pm: I probably wasn't even made in Australia. There's always an abbo ready to put their hand up and whinge about something. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( If you don't find this thoroughly offensive there is something very wrong with you. Propaganda is much more effective if there is an element of truth. Quote: Goodes was the biggest sook. I GOT BOOED!!!!! And here is Captain, still sooking about it. I would be more concerned why he used the "little bit of truth" and what he was implying. Captain is a concern all over. He;s a grubby minded little racist. Nothing new here. You're the racist.

How exactly?

.... this should be good.

here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>.

dont you guys ever get sick of it?.

Cods, i'd like to know how i'm a racist.

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?.

I get sick of you butting in while I'm trying to have a discussion with someone else, thats what I get sick of, at your age you should well and truly know how to IGNORE.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

How exactly? .... this should be good.

You are a racist because I said you are, thats how it works isn't it? ... racist.  :) `

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:49pm: How exactly? .... this should be good. You are a racist because I said you are, thats how it works isn't it? ... racist.  :) `

No. That's not how it works.

Do you find yourself easily confused often?

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?.

The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it.

Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Cods, i'd like to know how i'm a racist.

Because people like you patronise the tinted races by helping them flee their countries when they should be standing on their own two feet and fighting the terrorists. You let them mix with decent white people, lowering their guard and pretending they're just like us.

Andrew Bolt calls it the soft bigotry of low expectations. You don't respect darkies enough to let them stay in their squallid little war zones and leave us be.

You people don't allow them to denounce their awful religions and death cults like any sane person would. You pander to them by allowing them to worship their own pathetic gods and paedophile prophets. You let them walk around our streets in ridiculous headwear and outfits, speaking their rabid monkey talk and making a mockery of our culture, secretly laughing at us all, not even grateful enough for our hospitality to keep their heads down and try to fit in.

Your type likes looking at their slitty eyes and brown skin because it makes you feel superior. You pretend to like trivialities like their disgusting food, letting them stink out our neighbourhoods, not even respecting them enough to tell them to stop making that muck. You're happy to have them in our country, not even giving them the decency of p!ssing them off back to their own shtholes to make them even worse.

Most of all, you won't even accept that racism is just a natural part of life and we're naturally wired to hate other species, particularly the inferior ones.

Don't take it personally, it's just the way you people are.

Racists.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:51pm: here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?. The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it. Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends.

Mothballs isn't a tyrant, she is a racist though.   :)

Karnal wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Cods, i'd like to know how i'm a racist. Because people like you patronise the tinted races by helping them flee their countries when they should be standing on their own two feet and fighting the terrorists. Andrew Bolt calls it the soft bigotry of low expectations. You don't respect darkies enough to let them stay in their squallid little war zones and make something of themselves. You people don't allow them to denounce their awful religions and death cults like any sane person would. You pander to them by allowing them to worship their own pathetic gods and paedophile prophets. You let them walk around our streets in ridiculous headwear and outfits, speaking their rabid monkey talk and making a mockery of our culture, secretly laughing at us all, not even grateful enough for our hospitality to keep their heads down and try to fit in. Your type likes looking at their slitty eyes and brown skin because it makes you feel superior. You pretend to like trivialities like their disgusting food, letting them stink out our neighbourhoods, not even respecting them enough to tell them to stop making that muck. Most of all, you're happy to have them in our country, not even giving them the decency of p!ssing them off back to their own shtholes to make them even worse. Most of all, you won't even accept that racism is just a natural part of life and we're naturally wired to hate other species, particularly the inferior ones. Don't take it personally, it's just the way you people are. Racists.

Well all of that made me want a falafel.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:11pm: cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:51pm: here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?. The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it. Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends. Mothballs isn't a tyrant, she is a racist though.   :)

How so?

Don't copy Karnel's work, come up with your own explanation. See if you can.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:11pm: cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:51pm: here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?. The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it. Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends. Mothballs isn't a tyrant, she is a racist though.   :)

I'm glad that JS made an amendment Issue vs Innocent in another thread.
I'm sure you will get off on it, but you are a twat.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:25pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:11pm: cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:51pm: here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?. The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it. Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends. Mothballs isn't a tyrant, she is a racist though.   :) I'm glad that JS made an amendment Issue vs Innocent in another thread. I'm sure you will get off on it, but you are a twat.

Racist.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Racist.

No, obviously sexist.

edit: I can ameliorate that by calling you a dick.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:37pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:25pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:11pm: cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 9:51pm: here we go another thread turned into a YOU ARE no YOU ARE>. dont you guys ever get sick of it?. The moment you don't fight tyranny, you allow and accept it. Edit: Yes that's an overreach, perhaps, but I hope you see where it ends. Mothballs isn't a tyrant, she is a racist though.   :) I'm glad that JS made an amendment Issue vs Innocent in another thread. I'm sure you will get off on it, but you are a twat. Racist.

Let them see how they like it for once, Innocent.

More canned outrage.

There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it?


50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't. 

How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry?

... wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm:

More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry?

You don't think it's a dick thing to do? You could make an "imaginary" island.

... wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm:

More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry?

You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt.

And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide?

Survival game my arse.

Maybe they could produce a game for the left to play where a muslim immigrant go's on a rape spree, this could teach them about the consequences of some of the real life decisions that they make.  :)

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:47pm:

... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse.

I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for.

What about a game where Americans kill native Americans how would that go?

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for.

Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for. Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide.

More feigned outrage.

Yawn.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for. Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide.

Is that as the above post points out different than Cowdies and Indians? A game is a game, am I opposed to dragons because I play Skyrim? I don't think there needed to be a reference to a real people that may take offence. I will reiterate take. But it's not needed and the game would be just as good without the target group as an identifiable people.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:57pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for. Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide. Is that as the above post points out different than Cowdies and Indians? A game is a game, am I opposed to dragons because I play Skyrim? I don't think there needed to be a reference to a real people that may take offence. I will reiterate take. But it's not needed and the game would be just as good without the target group as an identifiable people.

I disagree, THe game is highly culturally insensitive. I think a game with cowboys killing Native Americans is also insensitive.

There is a rule of thumb in the entertainment industry. Not in living memory. If you want to trivialise genocide then you better be Quentin Tarantino. Don't ask me how he gets away with it, he just does.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:57pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for. Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide. Is that as the above post points out different than Cowdies and Indians? A game is a game, am I opposed to dragons because I play Skyrim? I don't think there needed to be a reference to a real people that may take offence. I will reiterate take. But it's not needed and the game would be just as good without the target group as an identifiable people. I disagree, THe game is highly culturally insensitive. I think a game with cowboys killing Native Americans is also insensitive. There is a rule of thumb in the entertainment industry. Not in living memory. If you want to trivialise genocide then you better be Quentin Tarantino. Don't ask me how he gets away with it, he just does.

Genocide is our(man's) history, don't diminish it. Caesar killed or enslaved 2/3 of Gaul, Trajan, decimated Dacia, wiped them all out, I suspect only the ruling class, but.. We must be allowed to play with history. Insensitive? Definitely, Uncalled for? Yep. Out of bounds? Nope.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:11pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:04pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:57pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:51pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:47pm: ... wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm: More canned outrage. There are a series of survival island games each with different settings.  What's so friggin special about Australia that it can't have games set in it? 50,000 signatures, and I would bet my house that over 49000 of them never played it, Never even seen a screenshot.  Hell, none of you have either, yet you've sure made your minds up about what it is and isn't.  How about this - if you're not interested, ignore it.  Nah....you gotta be outraged about something, so oddly being a slow outrage day, I guess this is it.  What will it be tomorrow for the perpetually angry? You need to learn the difference between outrage and contempt. And no, i'll bet all of the signatories have never plated it. Why would any reasonable person want to have fun with genocide? Survival game my arse. I don't think genocide is the right way to approach the game. It's insensitive, it's uncalled for. Te wiping out of Aboriginal people was indeed an attempted genocide. Is that as the above post points out different than Cowdies and Indians? A game is a game, am I opposed to dragons because I play Skyrim? I don't think there needed to be a reference to a real people that may take offence. I will reiterate take. But it's not needed and the game would be just as good without the target group as an identifiable people. I disagree, THe game is highly culturally insensitive. I think a game with cowboys killing Native Americans is also insensitive. There is a rule of thumb in the entertainment industry. Not in living memory. If you want to trivialise genocide then you better be Quentin Tarantino. Don't ask me how he gets away with it, he just does. Genocide is our(man's) history, don't diminish it. Caesar killed or enslaved 2/3 of Gaul, Trajan, decimated Dacia, wiped them all out, I suspect only the ruling class, but.. We must be allowed to play with history. Insensitive? Definitely, Uncalled for? Yep. Out of bounds? Nope.

In living memory Seranta.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:

In living memory Seranta.

So in 20 years it'll be ok?

I see Bystander couldn't answer the question ... even though Karnal provided him cheat notes.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:13pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok?

Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia.

Shifting goal posts?

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia. Shifting goal posts?

Not in the slightest. We have in this country a severe problem that is a direct result of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people.

TO make a game out of it is beneath contempt.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia. Shifting goal posts? Not in the slightest. We have in this country a severe problem that is a direct result of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people. TO make a game out of it is beneath contempt.

I'm not overly supporting a game that I have never seen. You drew a line at "living memory" and then shifted. If the game was being stranded in the land of nevernever with darkies trying to kill and eat you, I'd be OK. If you were landed in 32bc in Europe and had your head taken, fine. On the other hand, I understand why they don't like it. It's insensitive to a people. We(Europeans) are not head hunters now, and the noongars will not spear you when you cross their land. Where is the line drawn.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia. Shifting goal posts? Not in the slightest. We have in this country a severe problem that is a direct result of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people. TO make a game out of it is beneath contempt. I'm not overly supporting a game that I have never seen. You drew a line at "living memory" and then shifted. If the game was being stranded in the land of nevernever with darkies trying to kill and eat you, I'd be OK. If you were landed in 32bc in Europe and had your head taken, fine. On the other hand, I understand why they don't like it. It's insensitive to a people. We(Europeans) are not head hunters now, and the noongars will not spear you when you cross their land. Where is the line drawn.

In living memory. I shifted nowhere. There are still, living amongst us, victims of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people.  There exists to this day a very tense racial dynamic.

It is not the same as Caesar taking on the Celts.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:28pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia. Shifting goal posts? Not in the slightest. We have in this country a severe problem that is a direct result of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people. TO make a game out of it is beneath contempt. I'm not overly supporting a game that I have never seen. You drew a line at "living memory" and then shifted. If the game was being stranded in the land of nevernever with darkies trying to kill and eat you, I'd be OK. If you were landed in 32bc in Europe and had your head taken, fine. On the other hand, I understand why they don't like it. It's insensitive to a people. We(Europeans) are not head hunters now, and the noongars will not spear you when you cross their land. Where is the line drawn. In living memory. I shifted nowhere. There are still, living amongst us, victims of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people.  There exists to this day a very tense racial dynamic. It is not the same as Caesar taking on the Celts.

Please elaborate on that? And perhaps the take over of Ireland by the English, the scalping of Scottish villages to replace the clans with sheep?

Setanta to try and give you give you some perspective I have 2 aboriginal cousins and both are judged by the colour of their skin.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:34pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:28pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:13pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm: In living memory Seranta. So in 20 years it'll be ok? Not while there is still massive inequality and people disadvantaged from the actions of white Australia. Shifting goal posts? Not in the slightest. We have in this country a severe problem that is a direct result of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people. TO make a game out of it is beneath contempt. I'm not overly supporting a game that I have never seen. You drew a line at "living memory" and then shifted. If the game was being stranded in the land of nevernever with darkies trying to kill and eat you, I'd be OK. If you were landed in 32bc in Europe and had your head taken, fine. On the other hand, I understand why they don't like it. It's insensitive to a people. We(Europeans) are not head hunters now, and the noongars will not spear you when you cross their land. Where is the line drawn. In living memory. I shifted nowhere. There are still, living amongst us, victims of the attempted genocide of the Aboriginal people.  There exists to this day a very tense racial dynamic. It is not the same as Caesar taking on the Celts. Please elaborate on that? And perhaps the take over of Ireland by the English, the scalping of Scottish villages to replace the clans with sheep?

You can't honestly be arguing that it is?

How offensive do you think this game is to Aboriginal people?

How offensive do you Ceasar IV is to me, a Celt by heredity?

Can you compare the two?

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

Setanta to try and give you give you some perspective I have 2 aboriginal cousins and both are judged by the colour of their skin.

They shouldn't be. I think I've been clear and consistent on that here. Some of my best friends are black fellas. I know, that's what they all say, it's true though. Ask Maria about my plumber mate and his Harvard educate bro.

Think of it this way Setanta. If a game came out where Aboriginals had to kill all the white people, i would not be offended because white peopl are in a position of dominance over Aboriginal people.

If a game came out where men had to kill all the women, i would not be offended because it is preposterous.

But if a game came out where men had to rape as many women as possible i would be highly offended because it is a sensitive issue.

In living memory.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

You can't honestly be arguing that it is? How offensive do you think this game is to Aboriginal people? How offensive do you Ceasar IV is to me, a Celt by heredity? Can you compare the two?

It is.

To some, very.

No idea but he stole your heritage, enslaved your people, murdered every man woman and child in cities.

Yes, it's easy to compare because it is the same process.

That does not mean I like it. It means I recognise it.

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:42pm: You can't honestly be arguing that it is? How offensive do you think this game is to Aboriginal people? How offensive do you Ceasar IV is to me, a Celt by heredity? Can you compare the two? It is. To some, very. No idea but he stole your heritage, enslaved your people, murdered every man woman and child in cities. Yes, it's easy to compare because it is the same process. That does not mean I like it. It means I recognise it.

Yes i  know. I know all too well.

In living memory.

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory.

Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive?

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:56pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive?

I would object to a video game trivialising that too.

What's your point?

Setanta wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:41pm: Setanta to try and give you give you some perspective I have 2 aboriginal cousins and both are judged by the colour of their skin. They shouldn't be. I think I've been clear and consistent on that here. Some of my best friends are black fellas. I know, that's what they all say, it's true though. Ask Maria about my plumber mate and his Harvard educate bro.

Yes they shouldn't be but they are I have no doubt you are not racist but I ask you to be judged from the moment you are  born because of your your skin colour I know I cant because Im not Aboriginal and will never understand

And it's not about enmity. It's about whether or not people alive are still suffering from the effects of policies that sought to wipe them out.

Can you really not see how this game is highly offensive?

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive? I would object to a video game trivialising that too. What's your point?

My point, I suppose, is that though I find the game, as presented in the media, a little offensive and very insensitive.
On the other hand, it's no worse than Cowdies and Indians, that's living memory too. If I know my darkie friends, they would just roll their eyes and move on.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:00am:

And it's not about enmity. It's about whether or not people alive are still suffering from the effects of policies that sought to wipe them out. Can you really not see how this game is highly offensive?

I see it as insensitive, offence is taken not given.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:58pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive? I would object to a video game trivialising that too. What's your point? My point, I suppose, is that though I find the game, as presented in the media, a little offensive and very insensitive. On the other hand, it's no worse than Cowdies and Indians, that's living memory too. If I know my darkie friends, they would just roll their eyes and move on.

I already said that cowboy vs Native Americans would be offensive.

I have some Aboriginal friends that would take it on the chin, others that would be highly offended. But i hang out with alot of activists.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:04am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:00am: And it's not about enmity. It's about whether or not people alive are still suffering from the effects of policies that sought to wipe them out. Can you really not see how this game is highly offensive? I see it as insensitive, offence is taken not given.

   Offence is taken certainly ... but the cause for offence is given.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

But i hang out with alot of activists.

Perhaps...
;)

mothra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

I see Bystander couldn't answer the question ... even though Karnal provided him cheat notes.

Racist.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:58pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive? I would object to a video game trivialising that too. What's your point? My point, I suppose, is that though I find the game, as presented in the media, a little offensive and very insensitive. On the other hand, it's no worse than Cowdies and Indians, that's living memory too. If I know my darkie friends, they would just roll their eyes and move on.

Yes some do roll their eyes and move on, some don't understand why are looked down because of who they are you need only to see the far right on this site to see that

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: But i hang out with alot of activists. Perhaps... ;)

Perhaps i don't? Is that what you're saying?

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:04am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:00am: And it's not about enmity. It's about whether or not people alive are still suffering from the effects of policies that sought to wipe them out. Can you really not see how this game is highly offensive? I see it as insensitive, offence is taken not given.    Offence is taken certainly ... but the cause for offence is given.

Freely, everyday, in all ways if you want to take it. Be my guest.
I'd suggest bugger that.

oh dear wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:02am: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:58pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive? I would object to a video game trivialising that too. What's your point? My point, I suppose, is that though I find the game, as presented in the media, a little offensive and very insensitive. On the other hand, it's no worse than Cowdies and Indians, that's living memory too. If I know my darkie friends, they would just roll their eyes and move on. Yes some do roll their eyes and move on, some don't understand why are looked down because of who they are you need only to see the far right on this site to see that

Indeed.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:09am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: But i hang out with alot of activists. Perhaps... ;) Perhaps i don't? Is that what you're saying?

No, perhaps you shouldn't. ;)

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:10am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:04am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:00am: And it's not about enmity. It's about whether or not people alive are still suffering from the effects of policies that sought to wipe them out. Can you really not see how this game is highly offensive? I see it as insensitive, offence is taken not given.    Offence is taken certainly ... but the cause for offence is given. Freely, everyday, in all ways if you want to take it. Be my guest. I'd suggest bugger that.

So you would counsel me as a rape victim to not take offence ar a game that scores you on raping as many women as possible?

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:10am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:09am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: But i hang out with alot of activists. Perhaps... ;) Perhaps i don't? Is that what you're saying? No, perhaps you shouldn't. ;)

Why not? I agree with them.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:11am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:10am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:09am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: But i hang out with alot of activists. Perhaps... ;) Perhaps i don't? Is that what you're saying? No, perhaps you shouldn't. ;) Why not? I agree with them.

That is not a bad thing but group reinforcement can be. Thing is I don't really disagree with you but I try to see both sides of the fence, when I play that other side it grates on you. That is not an open mind and a symptom of spending too much time in group think. I like you, I like your conviction, don't take, as cods seems to, critique personally.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:18am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:12am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:11am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:10am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:09am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:07am: But i hang out with alot of activists. Perhaps... ;) Perhaps i don't? Is that what you're saying? No, perhaps you shouldn't. ;) Why not? I agree with them. That is not a bad thing but group reinforcement can be. Thing is I don't really disagree with you but I try to see both sides of the fence, when I play that other side it grates on you. That is not an open mind and a symptom of spending too much time in group think. I like you, I like your conviction, don't take, as cods seems to, critique personally.

I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta.

Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible?

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:21am:

I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible?

;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist?

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist?

Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia?

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:25am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:23am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist? Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia?

The difference is I would choose to take offence at that, I find it a bit... What about WW2 games that kill Germans and Japs? Age of Empires that lets you relive the genocide of millions?

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:31am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:25am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:23am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist? Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia? The difference is I would choose to take offence at that, I find it a bit... What about WW2 games that kill Germans and Japs? Age of Empires that lets you relive the genocide of millions?

So it's about what you choose to take offence at?

Can you concede that Aboriginal people choose to take offence at this game? That i choose to take offence at this game?

I don;t think you;ve given a particularly noteworthy reason as to why one game is offensive and another is not, aside from what offends you personally .  It is not an argument against what is offensive per se.


As for WW2 games, i find them to be in poor taste but i refer to a previous point of mine. Where is the balance of power? Uf the game is exterminating Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Gypsies and the physically and mentally disadvantaged, then i take strong exception. Fighting the dominating force leaves me unoffended.

It's about where the power is.

Hangin' with The Man....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e255/Korvin1984/hanging.jpg

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:21am:

Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible?

You also have a right not to be. Or to be both.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:31am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:25am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:23am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist? Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia? The difference is I would choose to take offence at that, I find it a bit... What about WW2 games that kill Germans and Japs? Age of Empires that lets you relive the genocide of millions?

Anyway, choose to take offence? Aren;t you just innately offended by the concept?

I'm not inclined to choose what offends me. It's knee-jerk.

I hope that i respond to the offence in a considered manner, but offense itself is just a reaction to a stimuli.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:42am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? You also have a right not to be. Or to be both.

I have that right, certainly. But what do you think my visceral response would be?

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:41am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:31am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:25am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:23am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist? Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia? The difference is I would choose to take offence at that, I find it a bit... What about WW2 games that kill Germans and Japs? Age of Empires that lets you relive the genocide of millions? So it's about what you choose to take offence at? Can you concede that Aboriginal people choose to take offence at this game? That i choose to take offence at this game? I don;t think you;ve given a particularly noteworthy reason as to why one game is offensive and another is not, aside from what offends you personally .  It is not an argument against what is offensive per se. As for WW2 games, i find them to be in poor taste but i refer to a previous point of mine. Where is the balance of power? Uf the game is exterminating Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Gypsies and the physically and mentally disadvantaged, then i take strong exception. Fighting the dominating force leaves me unoffended. It's about where the power is.

Yes, it's what I choose, as do other people. I don't try to push my choice onto others though, I understand there are different views.

I concede some Aboriginals will take offence.

No game I have played have I found offensive. I kill dragons, nords, bretons, elves, wolves, bear, ogres, japs, germans, celts, assyrians, persians, and now apparently I can kill aboriginals.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:48am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:41am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:31am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:25am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:23am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:21am: I'm not taking it personally. I'm enjoying the exchange. It's refreshing to have a civilised discussion on here. I like you too Setanta. Now, would you say as a rape victim, i have a right to be offended by a game in which you are scored by raping as many women as possible? ;D As would I! Would I say such a game should not exist? Then what is the difference? Can you not concede that a game which scores you on killing as many Aboriginals as you can is offensive to people who are the victim of the policies of white Australia? The difference is I would choose to take offence at that, I find it a bit... What about WW2 games that kill Germans and Japs? Age of Empires that lets you relive the genocide of millions? So it's about what you choose to take offence at? Can you concede that Aboriginal people choose to take offence at this game? That i choose to take offence at this game? I don;t think you;ve given a particularly noteworthy reason as to why one game is offensive and another is not, aside from what offends you personally .  It is not an argument against what is offensive per se. As for WW2 games, i find them to be in poor taste but i refer to a previous point of mine. Where is the balance of power? Uf the game is exterminating Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Gypsies and the physically and mentally disadvantaged, then i take strong exception. Fighting the dominating force leaves me unoffended. It's about where the power is. Yes, it's what I choose, as do other people. I don't try to push my choice onto others though, I understand there are different views. I concede some Aboriginals will take offence. No game I have played have I found offensive. I kill dragons, nords, bretons, elves, wolves, bear, ogres, japs, germans, celts, assyrians, persians, and now apparently I can kill aboriginals.

I disagree that offence taken is a choice.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:50am:

I disagree that offence taken is a choice.

So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them?

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:52am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them?

Hello left field.

I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems.

Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you?

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:50am:

I disagree that offence taken is a choice.

In this instance - of course its a choice

The social apologists are probably telling the Aborigines they should be offended because there might be some money in it

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:56am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you?

Offence is taken. It's a personal choice.
99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:52am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them?

Touche

Honour killing

I should have thought of that

We await mothra's response

There are over 7 billion people on Earth

If we only do things that does not offend anyone then nothing would be done

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Touche Honour killing I should have thought of that We await mothra's response

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I already responded. Bit slow on the uptake aren't you?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Touche Honour killing I should have thought of that We await mothra's response

I was hoping it was more a meeting of minds, something I doubt you would understand.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:56am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you? Offence is taken. It's a personal choice. 99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky.

I disagree. Offence is usually a response to stimuli.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:05am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:01am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:56am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you? Offence is taken. It's a personal choice. 99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky. disagree. Offence is usually a response to srimuli.

So is a punch in the mouth. There is a choice.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:06am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:05am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:01am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:56am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you? Offence is taken. It's a personal choice. 99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky. disagree. Offence is usually a response to srimuli. So is a punch in the mouth. There is a choice.

I concede that there can be a choice, if the causal factor is scrutinised.

But in the example of whether or not i would be offended by a game scoring you on how many women you raped, that is not a choice. The response is purely visceral.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:06am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:05am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:01am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:56am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you? Offence is taken. It's a personal choice. 99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky. disagree. Offence is usually a response to srimuli. So is a punch in the mouth. There is a choice.

No. THe choice lies in how ou respond, not in how you perceive the assault.

Anyway, 'nite John boy!

Good chat.

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:14am:

Anyway, 'nite John boy! Good chat.

Night Setanta. I enjoyed that immensely.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

No. THe choice lies in how ou respond, not in how you perceive the assault.

Stimuli cannot be controlled, response can, offence is a responce.


Now I'm gone!  ;D

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:16am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 1:10am: No. THe choice lies in how ou respond, not in how you perceive the assault. Stimuli cannot be controlled, response can, offence is a responce. Now I'm gone!  ;D

A response to stimuli. Yes.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:41am:

As for WW2 games, i find them to be in poor taste but i refer to a previous point of mine. Where is the balance of power? Uf the game is exterminating Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Gypsies and the physically and mentally disadvantaged, then i take strong exception. Fighting the dominating force leaves me unoffended. It's about where the power is.

Arh, neo-Marxist/Foucauldian metaphysics, where you just have to be in the minority to be a 'victim' and therefore are justified in fighting the 'dominating force'. Of course, though, this trendy theory falls apart when Nazis, KKK, and other such grops are in the minority and therefore oppressed by a 'dominating force'. 


Cutting through the bullsh*t, you just don't like whitey.

mothra wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:02am: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:58pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:56pm: mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:54pm: Yes i  know. I know all too well. In living memory. Like the Balkans? What is living memory? The time you keep enmity alive? I would object to a video game trivialising that too. What's your point? My point, I suppose, is that though I find the game, as presented in the media, a little offensive and very insensitive. On the other hand, it's no worse than Cowdies and Indians, that's living memory too. If I know my darkie friends, they would just roll their eyes and move on. I already said that cowboy vs Native Americans would be offensive. I have some Aboriginal friends that would take it on the chin, others that would be highly offended. But i hang out with alot of activists.

Really ... I wouldn't have thought that obvious at all  ;D

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:56am: Setanta wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:52am: mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:50am: I disagree that offence taken is a choice. So you think when men in Pakistan burn their female family members for honour, that their felt offence is given to them? Hello left field. I believe these men are truly misguided. I don;t believe ther offence is given to them (where did you get that from), i believe they are acting accordance with some seriously dodgy belief systems. Now if somebody was to make a video game about honour killings, i would be offended. Wouldn't you? Offence is taken. It's a personal choice. 99% of the time I choose not to as there is no point. 1% of the time I am Ian or Honky.

Wut? 

I'm not the one who has taken offence. 

In fact, the worst thing I will do to anyone or anything who doesn't threaten me, is ignore them.  Contrast that with the perpetually offended left, who actively seek things to be offended about, and then attempt to have them banned, and ruin those associated with it. 

I ask you - which mindset and preferred course of action is more accurately summarised by the word "tolerance?"

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 4:58am:

mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:41am: As for WW2 games, i find them to be in poor taste but i refer to a previous point of mine. Where is the balance of power? Uf the game is exterminating Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, Gypsies and the physically and mentally disadvantaged, then i take strong exception. Fighting the dominating force leaves me unoffended. It's about where the power is. Arh, neo-Marxist/Foucauldian metaphysics, where you just have to be in the minority to be a 'victim' and therefore are justified in fighting the 'dominating force'. Of course, though, this trendy theory falls apart when Nazis, KKK, and other such grops are in the minority and therefore oppressed by a 'dominating force'.  Cutting through the bullsh*t, you just don't like whitey.

Good point, Mistie, you’ve been teaching from that sociology textbook again.

Yes, Nazis and KKKs have become the downtrodden races. That’s the level the lefties have brought us to.

So unfair. Why can’t we just respect alternative views and learn from each other?

... wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:36am:

Wut?  I'm not the one who has taken offence.  In fact, the worst thing I will do to anyone or anything who doesn't threaten me, is ignore them.  Contrast that with the perpetually offended left, who actively seek things to be offended about, and then attempt to have them banned, and ruin those associated with it.  I ask you - which mindset and preferred course of action is more accurately summarised by the word "tolerance?"

I think you have taken that the wrong way. I meant that 99% of the time people can say whatever they like and I don't get offended, sometimes though someone might just get thick lip if they are in my face and push too far. I have for instance decked someone for talking poo about my wife to me.

ah.

carry on then.