FORMER Labor candidate Stefanie Jones has broken ranks to expose the misogynistic culture in the party, claiming it is full of “filth” and has a “disgusting” attitude to women.

In an emotional interview with The Daily Telegraph, the 27-year-old yesterday revealed the reasons she agreed to drop an application for an apprehended violence order against NSW Labor kingmaker Jamie Clements after an incident in a parliamentary office, citing a lack of support from the party’s leadership and ongoing victim-shaming from some of her colleagues.

“I think if I had my time over again I would just run (away),” Ms Jones said of her decision to come forward with the complaint against NSW ALP general secretary Mr Clements. “I would never want to go through this again. It’s been soul-destroying. Everybody wants it under the carpet.

“There’s such a lack of support (and) as long as the party has people like (that in it), the filth ... the continuation of disgusting treatment of women will continue.”

Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013.

“(Mr Clements) turned, grabbed the side of the chair I was sitting on (in the parliamentary office in which she works) and said, ‘If you do that, it will destroy everything for all of us. Dave will leave you, that’s a terrible idea’,” Ms Jones said.

Shocked by his response, Ms Jones said she agreed to keep the fling a secret and Mr Clements left the room — only to return moments later and allegedly lock the door and demand: “ ‘I want a guarantee. I want a guarantee (that you won’t tell Dave)’ and stood over me and said ‘I want a guarantee, kiss me. Kiss me. You know you want it’.

“I got out from under his arm, tried to open the door, he held it closed and kept going with ‘You know you want it, I want a guarantee, kiss me’ ,” she said.

“I physically put my hands up and said ‘no this isn’t happening, this is not happening Jamie’.

“He then went into this moment of Zen and looked at me ... and then stomped out the door.”

Mr Clements denies the incident took place, but he admits he was in Ms Jones’ office twice at that time.

Ms Jones said she was asked by her boss, Campbelltown MP Greg Warren, what was wrong after he returned from Question Time later that day and she told him about the encounter. “He said, ‘what do you want me to do?’ I said, ‘can’t do anything’,” Ms Jones told The Daily Telegraph.

“I didn’t have anywhere to go and didn’t know what to do. It’s Jamie Clements, what are you going to do?”

Since the Jones-Clements allegations were revealed by The Daily Telegraph in August, the party has been in disarray, with pro and anti-Clements factions at Labor’s head office and emerging in the caucus.

Ms Jones yesterday agreed to drop her application for an AVO after Mr Clements signed a formal undertaking that he would not approach her for 12 months, sparing both the Labor Party and its general secretary from a potentially damaging hearing.

The Labor candidate for Cronulla in the 2011 election said she made the call in part because she could not bear the thought of spending two harrowing days on the stand, and out of respect to Mr Clements’ young family.

“(The undertaking) is basically the same as the AVO,” Ms Jones said of her decision.

“If he does something that breaches the undertakings, we go to court and we’re guaranteed the AVO. This is about me being safe.

“Quite frankly, as a human being I feel for his wife and his kids, mostly his kids. They’re quite young still. I (also) didn’t want to face two days of cross-­examination from his lawyers.”

But, ultimately, she said she was disillusioned by the way the party’s “spineless” leadership had treated her, and that since coming forward she had been harassed by some of her own colleagues.

“I would say if you’re a woman in the Labor Party be careful,” she said. “It’s heartbreaking when you come forward; when you’re the person who has not done anything wrong and you have people openly calling you a ‘slut’; it could not be further from the truth.”

Shockingly, Ms Jones alleged a senior party official even called her fiance and asked what it would take “to make this go away”.

A leaked internal party review by former NSW Bar Association president Jane Needham SC commissioned in the wake of the incident condemned the NSW Labor Party’s culture and treatment of women.

The report was ordered by NSW Labor president Mark Lennon after complaints about the treatment of women in the state branch.

But Ms Jones said it took Mr Lennon “four months to meet with me and when he met with me he (was) with two lawyers and in that meeting he couldn’t give me any answers as to why nothing had happened”.

“The fact (Opposition Leader Luke) Foley has stayed quiet says worlds about him when you see how Turnbull handled (the Jamie Briggs issue). (Mr Foley) never wanted to meet with me, I never heard anything from him,” she said.

She said Mr Foley’s chief of staff Pat Garcia offered to help her get a job outside politics after he learned of the incident. Mr Lennon and Mr Garcia declined to comment yesterday. Mr Foley was on leave and could not be contacted.

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In a statement, Mr Clements maintained his innocence, saying he “welcomed the decision to discontinue AVO proceedings against me”.

“I am pleased it has reached a resolution which allows all involved to move forward.

“I have always contested the version of events which has been publicly reported and the agreement reached today is without admission on my part,” he said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/stefanie-jones-former-staffer-blasts-labors-sexism-in-wake-of-the-jamie-clements-scandal/news-story/9d0c0fef62469bc26d9474d5ffc1267e

We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives.

A deathly silence from the LEFT!

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

A deathly silence from the LEFT!

What else did you expect? This is the only political party in Australia in which women can only get a seat in parliament based on a quota, not ability. Talk about living in the dark ages!

quotas is the answer to everything.

50% women in parliament. thats the total answer.


THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH QUOTAS. it papers over the ACTUAL problems.

Of course sexism is a problem in Labor, as in both major parties, they are overwhelmingly male boys clubs. The MAJORITY of the population is female, yet they can never rise to the top, the reason for this, is structural sexism.

Quota's overcome this by giving females an actual smacking chance to overcome social barriers that would stop them from even getting into pre-selection.

Also I find it hilarious for you to think that Sexism is a bigger problem in Labor than it is in the Liberal party, the party that doesn't even believe that women should have control over their own bodies and appointed a proud misogynist as the minister for women.

Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013.

Ah...so she is rooting a married man, gets the guilts, and now is sobbing publicly when the rooter asks her not to go public   Slag......

Perhaps he should have put his donk in a glass of red and sent her pic, or took her to Hong Kong for a bar run.

I think this behaviour is intolerable for any person, but the faux outrage being vented in this thread is just laughable.

Vic wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:36am:

Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013. Ah...so she is rooting a married man, gets the guilts, and now is sobbing publicly when the rooter asks her not to go public   Slag...... Perhaps he should have put his donk in a glass of red and sent her pic, or took her to Hong Kong for a bar run. I think this behaviour is intolerable for any person, but the faux outrage being vented in this thread is just laughable.

Haha nice one  :)

One might ask how much the Daily Tele is paying for this story?

On also might ask why the PS in Hong Kong had all manner of assumptions made against her by the RWNJ here & now as Big points out they are all Mrs Lovejoy over this women who openly admits consensual sex & then (let's call a spade a spade) probable blackmail.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

One might ask how much the Daily Tele is paying for this story? On also might ask why the PS in Hong Kong had all manner of assumptions made against her by the RWNJ here & now as Big points out they are all Mrs Lovejoy over this women who openly admits consensual sex & then (let's call a spade a spade) probable blackmail.

;)

Quote:

............But Ms Jones said it took Mr Lennon “four months to meet with me and when he met with me he (was) with two lawyers and in that meeting he couldn’t give me any answers as to why nothing had happened”. “The fact (Opposition Leader Luke) Foley has stayed quiet says worlds about him when you see how Turnbull handled (the Jamie Briggs issue). (Mr Foley) never wanted to meet with me, I never heard anything from him,” she said..............

that says volumes

Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card?

ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community.

This is something we have to sought out.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

Quote: ............But Ms Jones said it took Mr Lennon “four months to meet with me and when he met with me he (was) with two lawyers and in that meeting he couldn’t give me any answers as to why nothing had happened”. “The fact (Opposition Leader Luke) Foley has stayed quiet says worlds about him when you see how Turnbull handled (the Jamie Briggs issue). (Mr Foley) never wanted to meet with me, I never heard anything from him,” she said.............. that says volumes

Well let me spell it it out for you all here.

The PM handled the Briggs case correctly because it was UNWANTED advances from a person in power.

Foley probably would like to be rid of both but chooses rightly or wrongly that this is actually a personal matter between 2 CONSENTING adults & is therefore not party business.

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out.

Exactly.

"It’s the everyday sexism and boys-club of the Liberal Party that is the problem."

"My relationship with the Liberal Party is a life-long commitment, and like any woman in love, it hurts me to be so critical."

http://www.mamamia.com.au/liberal-party-sexist/

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Of course sexism is a problem in Labor, as in both major parties, they are overwhelmingly male boys clubs. The MAJORITY of the population is female, yet they can never rise to the top, the reason for this, is structural sexism. Quota's overcome this by giving females an actual smacking chance to overcome social barriers that would stop them from even getting into pre-selection. Also I find it hilarious for you to think that Sexism is a bigger problem in Labor than it is in the Liberal party, the party that doesn't even believe that women should have control over their own bodies and appointed a proud misogynist as the minister for women.

The former PM Tony Abbott's CoS was a female. The current FM is a female. The federal Defence Minister is a female. The NSW Opposition was once lead by a female. The Liberals and Nationals are by no means perfect on issues relating to women, but they are significantly better than the atrocious ALP.

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out.

Only one party allows advancement for women by means other than ability, merit or experience. That party is the Australian Labor Party. Their method is a quota that takes into account neither merit or ability, nor experience.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

The Liberals and Nationals are by no means perfect.

And nobody would ever suggest that they are.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:19am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:58am: Of course sexism is a problem in Labor, as in both major parties, they are overwhelmingly male boys clubs. The MAJORITY of the population is female, yet they can never rise to the top, the reason for this, is structural sexism. Quota's overcome this by giving females an actual smacking chance to overcome social barriers that would stop them from even getting into pre-selection. Also I find it hilarious for you to think that Sexism is a bigger problem in Labor than it is in the Liberal party, the party that doesn't even believe that women should have control over their own bodies and appointed a proud misogynist as the minister for women. The former PM Tony Abbott's CoS was a female. The current FM is a female. The federal Defence Minister is a female. The NSW Opposition was once lead by a female. The Liberals and Nationals are by no means perfect on issues relating to women, but they are significantly better than the atrocious ALP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J4143zj3ps

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 7:19am:

We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives.

Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch...

Reads more like the usual seedy sexual behaviour rampant in politics.... one night stands and cheating on spouses.... part of the territory it seems...

Of course - those women involved are angels.... and it's all the fault of men.....

What an utterly silly position to take, a younger woman silly enough to have a one-nighter with a father of three, then trying to apply pressure by threatening to 'out' him, and then being surprised at his response in saying it's a bad idea for both.

She's better off out of politics - just another airhead with big ideas about being a big wheel in politics through any means, and too young and silly to bother with.

::)  ::)  ::)

Its time wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:19am: Kiron22 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:58am: Of course sexism is a problem in Labor, as in both major parties, they are overwhelmingly male boys clubs. The MAJORITY of the population is female, yet they can never rise to the top, the reason for this, is structural sexism. Quota's overcome this by giving females an actual smacking chance to overcome social barriers that would stop them from even getting into pre-selection. Also I find it hilarious for you to think that Sexism is a bigger problem in Labor than it is in the Liberal party, the party that doesn't even believe that women should have control over their own bodies and appointed a proud misogynist as the minister for women. The former PM Tony Abbott's CoS was a female. The current FM is a female. The federal Defence Minister is a female. The NSW Opposition was once lead by a female. The Liberals and Nationals are by no means perfect on issues relating to women, but they are significantly better than the atrocious ALP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J4143zj3ps

You're a more-on.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

quotas is the answer to everything. 50% women in parliament. thats the total answer. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH QUOTAS. it papers over the ACTUAL problems.

(slits wrists)... I actually agree with Longy...... I've always opposed Affirmative Action in any way, shape or form... and always will.

Look what the emasculation of society did to Russia.... and Britain..... and The United States.... and Australia..... and Sweden..... and Germany..... and France....

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out.

Why is sexism regarded as only 'against women'?  You ever work in the Public Service? As a man there you'd soon learn what Sexism is all about..... and you would see the outcomes from Affirmative Action at first hand.....

It is profoundly Sexist to even consider a quota system..... not to mention Fascio-Communist in that it is an imposition without justice.

I will never vote for Labor as long as they refuse to allow genuine merit and genuine results (is there any such thing in some kid coming up through the Party ranks all filled with the Party line and toeing it religiously?) to be the only yardstick by which a person is selected/promoted.

On the other hand, philosophically I could never vote LNP.

Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

One might ask how much the Daily Tele is paying for this story? On also might ask why the PS in Hong Kong had all manner of assumptions made against her by the RWNJ here & now as Big points out they are all Mrs Lovejoy over this women who openly admits consensual sex & then (let's call a spade a spade) probable blackmail.

Correct.....

Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:10am: Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out. Why is sexism regarded as only 'against women'?  You ever work in the Public Service? As a man there you'd soon learn what Sexism is all about..... and you would see the outcomes from Affirmative Action at first hand..... It is profoundly Sexist to even consider a quota system..... not to mention Fascio-Communist in that it is an imposition without justice. I will never vote for Labor as long as they refuse to allow genuine merit and genuine results (is there any such thing in some kid coming up through the Party ranks all filled with the Party line and toeing it religiously?) to be the only yardstick by which a person is selected/promoted. On the other hand, philosophically I could never vote LNP. Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties!

Do you live in the US? We have a PM, not a President.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:47am:

Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair

You call unwanted sexual advances and threats BS? Hmmm, hardly surprising coming from you.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties!

Sure!

Bring on the Republic.

You have my vote.

Quote:

In an emotional interview with The Daily Telegraph,

Yep about tells the story.

No doubt Labor is far from perfect but that look pretty much perfect in comparison to the Liberals.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:47am: Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair You call unwanted sexual advances and threats BS? Hmmm, hardly surprising coming from you.

Exactly how is a consensual one night stand unwanted?

There it is 7th line of the interview, straight from her own mouth


Quote:

Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013.

Is that like how China our largest trading partner is somehow a closed market?

Have you gotten even more challenged since christmas?

Just another Labrat Rapist..

who in their right mind would vote for this scum?

let alone them being economic wrecking balls...  ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Just another Labrat Rapist.. who in their right mind would vote for this scum? let alone them being economic wrecking balls...  ::)

Just another cliche`post

Who in their right mind believes this crap?

Especially when the evidence is considered it doesn't add up.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:38am: Just another Labrat Rapist.. who in their right mind would vote for this scum? let alone them being economic wrecking balls...  ::) Just another cliche`post Who in their right mind believes this crap? Especially when the evidence is considered it doesn't add up.

Rubbish, the Libs said it so it must be true, do as we say as we do government , or something like that .

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Just another Labrat Rapist.. who in their right mind would vote for this scum? let alone them being economic wrecking balls...  ::)

Really must work on your trolling , think of something to counter the fact that the Libs have doubled the budget deficit , in 6 months, with no GFC  ;)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

No doubt Labor is far from perfect but that look pretty much perfect in comparison to the Liberals.

You truly are delusional.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:47am: Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair You call unwanted sexual advances and threats BS? Hmmm, hardly surprising coming from you. Exactly how is a consensual one night stand unwanted? There it is 7th line of the interview, straight from her own mouth Quote: Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013. Is that like how China our largest trading partner is somehow a closed market? Have you gotten even more challenged since christmas?

Did you miss the part where he asked her to kiss him?

Shocked by his response, Ms Jones said she agreed to keep the fling a secret and Mr Clements left the room — only to return moments later and allegedly lock the door and demand: “ ‘I want a guarantee. I want a guarantee (that you won’t tell Dave)’ and stood over me and said ‘I want a guarantee, kiss me. Kiss me. You know you want it’.

“I got out from under his arm, tried to open the door, he held it closed and kept going with ‘You know you want it, I want a guarantee, kiss me’ ,” she said.

“I physically put my hands up and said ‘no this isn’t happening, this is not happening Jamie’.

“He then went into this moment of Zen and looked at me ... and then stomped out the door.”

Doesn't sound wanted to me...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:47am: Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair You call unwanted sexual advances and threats BS? Hmmm, hardly surprising coming from you. Exactly how is a consensual one night stand unwanted? There it is 7th line of the interview, straight from her own mouth Quote: Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013. Is that like how China our largest trading partner is somehow a closed market? Have you gotten even more challenged since christmas? Did you miss the part where he asked her to kiss him? Shocked by his response, Ms Jones said she agreed to keep the fling a secret and Mr Clements left the room — only to return moments later and allegedly lock the door and demand: “ ‘I want a guarantee. I want a guarantee (that you won’t tell Dave)’ and stood over me and said ‘I want a guarantee, kiss me. Kiss me. You know you want it’. “I got out from under his arm, tried to open the door, he held it closed and kept going with ‘You know you want it, I want a guarantee, kiss me’ ,” she said. “I physically put my hands up and said ‘no this isn’t happening, this is not happening Jamie’. “He then went into this moment of Zen and looked at me ... and then stomped out the door.” Doesn't sound wanted to me...

Personal relationships are always messy.

Is she leaving anything out?

Anyway the point of my post is you & the murdoch press abused & posted details of a women who through no fault of her own was assaulted by a liberal member.
Said member then distributed a photo of this women as intimidation.

Now its Labor your all woe is me & outraged even though it was a consensual relationship gone wrong.

Why did she approach him about this at work?

It's a personal issue why not call out of work hours & tell him of your intentions to spill the beans on your tryst?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:38am: 21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:10am: Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out. Why is sexism regarded as only 'against women'?  You ever work in the Public Service? As a man there you'd soon learn what Sexism is all about..... and you would see the outcomes from Affirmative Action at first hand..... It is profoundly Sexist to even consider a quota system..... not to mention Fascio-Communist in that it is an imposition without justice. I will never vote for Labor as long as they refuse to allow genuine merit and genuine results (is there any such thing in some kid coming up through the Party ranks all filled with the Party line and toeing it religiously?) to be the only yardstick by which a person is selected/promoted. On the other hand, philosophically I could never vote LNP. Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties! Do you live in the US? We have a PM, not a President.

Indeed - but we are in desperate need of some change... any change will do... starting from zero got nothing to lose...

Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19am: We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives. Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch...

you missed her Emily's List speech about 'men in blue ties'?


Gillard hates all men.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:10am: Are LNP supporters really trying to play the sexism card? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Both parties seem to have an issue with sexism - as does the Australian business community. This is something we have to sought out. Why is sexism regarded as only 'against women'?  You ever work in the Public Service? As a man there you'd soon learn what Sexism is all about..... and you would see the outcomes from Affirmative Action at first hand..... It is profoundly Sexist to even consider a quota system..... not to mention Fascio-Communist in that it is an imposition without justice. I will never vote for Labor as long as they refuse to allow genuine merit and genuine results (is there any such thing in some kid coming up through the Party ranks all filled with the Party line and toeing it religiously?) to be the only yardstick by which a person is selected/promoted. On the other hand, philosophically I could never vote LNP. Vote 1 - Grappler For President!  Stop The Parties!

there should be a quota system for MEN in primary school teaching.  in SA there are about 15 schools with NO male teachers.

but dare even ask about that and hear the howls of sexism.

what about a quote system for nurses?



or is the truth that in some areas, one gender might be *gasp* more suited to the occupation?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:41pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:05am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:47am: Yep antother typical BS rant from Armchair You call unwanted sexual advances and threats BS? Hmmm, hardly surprising coming from you. Exactly how is a consensual one night stand unwanted? There it is 7th line of the interview, straight from her own mouth Quote: Ms Jones claims Mr Clements, a married father of three, snapped last June after she revealed she was going to tell her fiance, Labor organiser Dave Latham, about a one-night stand they shared in 2013. Is that like how China our largest trading partner is somehow a closed market? Have you gotten even more challenged since christmas? Did you miss the part where he asked her to kiss him? Shocked by his response, Ms Jones said she agreed to keep the fling a secret and Mr Clements left the room — only to return moments later and allegedly lock the door and demand: “ ‘I want a guarantee. I want a guarantee (that you won’t tell Dave)’ and stood over me and said ‘I want a guarantee, kiss me. Kiss me. You know you want it’. “I got out from under his arm, tried to open the door, he held it closed and kept going with ‘You know you want it, I want a guarantee, kiss me’ ,” she said. “I physically put my hands up and said ‘no this isn’t happening, this is not happening Jamie’. “He then went into this moment of Zen and looked at me ... and then stomped out the door.” Doesn't sound wanted to me... Personal relationships are always messy. Is she leaving anything out? Anyway the point of my post is you & the murdoch press abused & posted details of a women who through no fault of her own was assaulted by a liberal member. Said member then distributed a photo of this women as intimidation. Now its Labor your all woe is me & outraged even though it was a consensual relationship gone wrong. Why did she approach him about this at work? It's a personal issue why not call out of work hours & tell him of your intentions to spill the beans on your tryst?

at least the woman was an adult. the ALP predators are not always so particular.

and if you dont think that is a BIG issue, then you are kidding yourself.

I've had past friends who were/are male nurses..... the perks might be good but the power gaming is incredible and you see very few such gaining the top echelons...... it is de rigeur for all the best paid slots to be held by women 100% in nursing....

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19am: We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives. Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch... you missed her Emily's List speech about 'men in blue ties'? Gillard hates all men.

... and blue ties.

Everybody knows the liberal party is misogynistic and sexist. They don't have problems with sexual harassment because there are hardly any women in the pathetic party.  They need to implement quotas, it's the only way to the 21st century.  as if Idiots like dutton have more merit than any woman.  How pathetic.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:50am:

Gillard hates all men.

Pphew,  she must love you!

ahh sexual harassment my arse ... this is an office romance gone wrong.

Sounds like shes suffering from 'jilted lover' syndrome

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 8:50am: Gillard hates all men. Pphew,  she must love you!

The maria version? Its much more loveable.

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

ahh sexual harassment my arse ... this is an office romance gone wrong. Sounds like shes suffering from 'jilted lover' syndrome

Labor still gave him Rule 303  :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 8:50am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19am: We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives. Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch... you missed her Emily's List speech about 'men in blue ties'? Gillard hates all men. ... and blue ties.

I can understand hating blue ties......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:27am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 8:50am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19am: We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives. Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch... you missed her Emily's List speech about 'men in blue ties'? Gillard hates all men. ... and blue ties. I can understand hating blue ties......

....unless you're a Bananabender

OMG

This cannot be true

Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny

Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott

Maqqa wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott

surely the libs would have eradicated corruption from the liberal party before attacking Gillard? Oh wait, he didn't ... that's why so many libs got busted :D :D :D :D

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 12:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 6:27am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 8:50am: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19am: We all (those of us with a brain, anyway) know that Labor has an appalling track record regarding the treatment of women and this just proves it. Gillard's farcical misogyny speech in parliament was simply appalling and shows how little respect for women there is in the ALP, even from some of its female representatives. Gillard's speech cast a bad light on Labor men?  That's a stretch... you missed her Emily's List speech about 'men in blue ties'? Gillard hates all men. ... and blue ties. I can understand hating blue ties...... ....unless you're a Bananabender

Julia's got a nice house in Queensland..... just goes to show... dopey women's magazines do features on it as if it's a wonderful thing that yet another political failure and party hack has a nice home funded endlessly by your taxes......

Damn the ochlocracy of the ruling class with their grasping greed..... just a mob of sycophants and spongers and in no way representative of the will of the people.... the true ochlocrats....

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott surely the libs would have eradicated corruption from the liberal party before attacking Gillard? Oh wait, he didn't ... that's why so many libs got busted :D :D :D :D

who got BUSTED?...

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

I've had past friends who were/are male nurses..... the perks might be good but the power gaming is incredible and you see very few such gaining the top echelons...... it is de rigeur for all the best paid slots to be held by women 100% in nursing....

well I think given time that will change.....its the same for women in male dominated domains   it all take tiome

women only in recent times have reached dizzy height in Policing..and defence forces...

fair go grap....give it time...there is not that many males in nursing......its the same in Primary teaching.....the money aint that good..

Maqqa wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott

Labor party having a person accused of sexual harassment means tony isn't a misogynist and sexist?  How does that proposition work exactly, droopy?

Maqqa wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott

Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals.

Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott.

I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever. 

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals. Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott. I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever.

\
thats amazing....I have never ever found Abbott to be insensitive enough to be sexist??..

I am not saying he isnt.,. just if you can give me some links it would help.......

I cant imagine his family all girls letting him get away with it to be honest..

but lets have a look see... as I will not condone any of that thats for sure.

:o
cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:52am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals. Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott. I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever.  Define what you consider sexist, cods. \ thats amazing....I have never ever found Abbott to be insensitive enough to be sexist??.. I am not saying he isnt.,. just if you can give me some links it would help....... I cant imagine his family all girls letting him get away with it to be honest.. but lets have a look see... as I will not condone any of that thats for sure.

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:52am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals. Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott. I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever.  \ thats amazing....I have never ever found Abbott to be insensitive enough to be sexist??.. I am not saying he isnt.,. just if you can give me some links it would help....... I cant imagine his family all girls letting him get away with it to be honest.. but lets have a look see... as I will not condone any of that thats for sure.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/ernie-awards-2015/

This year Tony Picked up 2 more awards - the repeat offender shared with Mark Latham and he won the political category as minister for woman claiming his biggest success was removing the carbon tax.

"What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing."

Tony Abbott for saying paid maternity leave would happen over his dead body

Tony Abbott named "repeal of the carbon tax" as his biggest achievement as minister for women.

So I guess the promise to keep the one night stand quiet is blown out the window...

Politics and sex - who would have thunk it.

By the way, Gillard's misogyny speech neither acknowledged or denied her own parties equality issues/flaws. It merely highlighted Abbott's own very clear flaws in attitude and the tacet and open support those views get from his wider party...

Of course Labor has it's own problems with gender equality - if you didn't realise that, you no doubt think the Liberal party doesn't...

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 6:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott surely the libs would have eradicated corruption from the liberal party before attacking Gillard? Oh wait, he didn't ... that's why so many libs got busted :D :D :D :D who got BUSTED?...

what? you missed the 15 or so that ICAC caught out? :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

cods wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 6:24am: John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott surely the libs would have eradicated corruption from the liberal party before attacking Gillard? Oh wait, he didn't ... that's why so many libs got busted :D :D :D :D who got BUSTED?... what? you missed the 15 or so that ICAC caught out? :D :D :D

absolutely NOT..

but maybe you missed this..

[urlhttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-cannot-find-mike-gallacher-and-other-liberal-mps-corrupt-in-donations-probe-20151219-glrq8m.html][/url]

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

cods wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:55am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:52am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals. Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott. I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever.  \ thats amazing....I have never ever found Abbott to be insensitive enough to be sexist??.. I am not saying he isnt.,. just if you can give me some links it would help....... I cant imagine his family all girls letting him get away with it to be honest.. but lets have a look see... as I will not condone any of that thats for sure. http://www.mamamia.com.au/ernie-awards-2015/ This year Tony Picked up 2 more awards - the repeat offender shared with Mark Latham and he won the political category as minister for woman claiming his biggest success was removing the carbon tax. "What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing." Tony Abbott for saying paid maternity leave would happen over his dead body Tony Abbott named "repeal of the carbon tax" as his biggest achievement as minister for women.

Poor women don't use the roads as much either...... just saying...

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

cods wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:55am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 7:52am: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals. Nobody in Australian politics had a worse long term record on holding a sexist position and being a serial offender for making sexist comments than Mr Abbott. I think at last count he held 7 or 8 Ernies, fairly certain that is more than anyone else - ever.  \ thats amazing....I have never ever found Abbott to be insensitive enough to be sexist??.. I am not saying he isnt.,. just if you can give me some links it would help....... I cant imagine his family all girls letting him get away with it to be honest.. but lets have a look see... as I will not condone any of that thats for sure. http://www.mamamia.com.au/ernie-awards-2015/ This year Tony Picked up 2 more awards - the repeat offender shared with Mark Latham and he won the political category as minister for woman claiming his biggest success was removing the carbon tax. "What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing." Tony Abbott for saying paid maternity leave would happen over his dead body Tony Abbott named "repeal of the carbon tax" as his biggest achievement as minister for women.

is that really the BEST YOU HAVE GOT>.

I was expecting barbs from the ABC... or even HANSARD  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D..


really... ROTFLOL>

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

Poor women don't use the roads as much either...... just saying.

thats not bad grap.... very meaningful... not sure about sexist or what it has to do with it..but not bad!.

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 9:56am: cods wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 6:24am: John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 3:03pm: OMG This cannot be true Gillard attacked Abbott for sexism and misogyny - therefore Labor is free of sexism and misogyny Surely Gillard would have eradicate sexism and misogyny in the Labor party before she could feel morally just for attacking Abbott surely the libs would have eradicated corruption from the liberal party before attacking Gillard? Oh wait, he didn't ... that's why so many libs got busted :D :D :D :D who got BUSTED?... what? you missed the 15 or so that ICAC caught out? :D :D :D absolutely NOT.. but maybe you missed this.. [urlhttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-cannot-find-mike-gallacher-and-other-liberal-mps-corrupt-in-donations-probe-20151219-glrq8m.html][/url]

of course ICAC cannot find them guilty, only a court of law can. I said ICAC caught them, what the courts do with them now is irrelevant.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

Gillard's justified attack on Abbott was a response to him lecturing her on the topic, it had nothing to do with the overall position of either Labor or the Liberals.

Lecture her on what? There are so many subjects she's deficient in