I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person.

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person.

Are you a Tooheys or a VB?  :D

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 8:44am:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you a Tooheys or a VB?  :D

Tooheys Dry is ok for me, VB sucks. Usually take golden/pale ale from small brands ;D

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person.

Mug shot? With a synopsis of Closet poms criminal ancestry?

An ID card was suggested during the 1980s. It met with huge resistance and ridicule. I would vote against it. For your future reference: does not, and has do not agree. It should be "doesn't have."

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person.

Are you not feeling yourself?

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise?

I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia.

I would vote YES to it now.

we should have one.

Make them so you can only get one with a finger print or retina scan so as to help limit counterfeits.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

An ID card was suggested during the 1980s. It met with huge resistance and ridicule. I would vote against it. For your future reference: does not, and has do not agree. It should be "doesn't have."

Thanks

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself?

A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks.

The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands.

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands.

it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one.

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

we should have one. Make them so you can only get one with a finger print or retina scan so as to help limit counterfeits.

100 point paperworks don't carry above information either. It is not better than a driver's license.

There were plans by the Libs, started in 2006, to enhance the Medicare card as an ID card. It was not implemented before they lost the election.

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one.

You think people can make a fake driver license can not print a fake water bill?

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now.

since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands.

try opening a business bank account.  the degree you get put thru is unbelievable. they want to charge you $50 for an ABN lookup (done online in 30 seconds) and then you need your ACN and accountant details and more nonsense than you would imagine possible.

Ive bought a car with less hassle and time than opening a bank account.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. try opening a business bank account.  the degree you get put thru is unbelievable. they want to charge you $50 for an ABN lookup (done online in 30 seconds) and then you need your ACN and accountant details and more nonsense than you would imagine possible. Ive bought a car with less hassle and time than opening a bank account.

Really?  You are outdoing yourself tonight melielongtime.

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:48pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. try opening a business bank account.  the degree you get put thru is unbelievable. they want to charge you $50 for an ABN lookup (done online in 30 seconds) and then you need your ACN and accountant details and more nonsense than you would imagine possible. Ive bought a car with less hassle and time than opening a bank account. Really?  You are outdoing yourself tonight melielongtime.

opened one for a new trading name only 10 months ago.  and there is a clue for you... I live in SA and you live in QLD.  it might never have occured to your fake-lawyer mind but regulations differ from state to state in my areas.

and if you are a PTY LTD company they DO want your ACN, fake-lawyer

Yeas they do.  But you did not refer to a Company seeking to open an account, melielongtime.

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Yeas they do.  But you did not refer to a Company seeking to open an account, melielongtime.

a smart person eg an actual ex-lawyer would have inferred that a reference to a COMPANY number would have meant it was... yes a COMPANY.

this is why nobody thinks you were ever a lawyer.  you try oh so hard to look smart and end up looking like an ass.

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one.

....speaking from experience there Smithy  :D

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. You think people can make a fake driver license can not print a fake water bill?

Don't confuse Jonathon with logic... ;D

Countries don't need ID cards. Only people do.

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. You think people can make a fake driver license can not print a fake water bill?

who said that? Do you struggle with English? Try re reading what I said then get back to me.

beer wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:57pm: we should have one. Make them so you can only get one with a finger print or retina scan so as to help limit counterfeits. 100 point paperworks don't carry above information either. It is not better than a driver's license.

I know they don't .... I use the 100 point identity check in my line of work. I've caught people out before because they've changed a detail on one document and not changed it on another. No system is foolproof. It's about making it harder for the average person to fake.

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. ....speaking from experience there Smithy  :D

Actually, yes I am.... I require all my applicants to provide a 100 point ID

:D :D :D :D :D

Don't you feel silly now  ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. You think people can make a fake driver license can not print a fake water bill? Don't confuse Jonathon with logic... ;D

seems the only ones confused are you and beer.

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 7:29pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. ....speaking from experience there Smithy  :D Actually, yes I am.... I require all my applicants to provide a 100 point ID :D :D :D :D :D Don't you feel silly now  ;D ;D

Just for a $20 blowjob?

ian wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:17pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 7:29pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. ....speaking from experience there Smithy  :D Actually, yes I am.... I require all my applicants to provide a 100 point ID :D :D :D :D :D Don't you feel silly now  ;D ;D Just for a $20 blowjob?

You applied for that?  :o :o :o

I just asked your wife ... no ID necessary.

ian wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:17pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 7:29pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:12pm: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 5:09pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 10:51am: beer wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 8:27am: I found it's difficult to say I'm myself here. 100 point check is a stupid way to identify a person. Are you not feeling yourself? A simple thing, like to open an account, to get a debit card, only takes a few minutes if you have an ID with you. Nobody needs to identify you again and again through paperworks. The 100 point system only makes hassles to good people, it doesn't make anything more secure from bad guys' hands. it's harder to forge multiple documents than it is to forge one. ....speaking from experience there Smithy  :D Actually, yes I am.... I require all my applicants to provide a 100 point ID :D :D :D :D :D Don't you feel silly now  ;D ;D Just for a $20 blowjob?

Lol. Good one Ian

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now. since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

Hah! Conservative voters are never principled. Always circumstances for u lot, look at how quickly you agreed to the Pm change this time around. Pathetic!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:46pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now. since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now? Hah! Conservative voters are never principled. Always circumstances for u lot, look at how quickly you agreed to the Pm change this time around. Pathetic!

what do you mean 'agree'?  I was not asked nor my opinion sought. It was presented as a fait accompli. as a good liberal I now support my leader who I must admit has surprised me in being light-years ahead of the disaster he was in 2009. I would prefer Abbott and like the man far more, but I dont get to choose who is PM.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now. since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now?

That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons.
In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques.
Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy.
I think the pros now outweigh the cons.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:46pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now. since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now? That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons. In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques. Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy. I think the pros now outweigh the cons.

excellent response! I was hoping someone would spot that. I'm not sure I agree yet, but you made a very valid point.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 9:28am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 6:46pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Maybe the guy is a non-English speaker? in which case we should sympathise? I was against Hawke's ID card but 2015 Australia is a very different place from 1985 Australia. I would vote YES to it now. since the objection then was one of principle not circumstance, should it not still be the same now? That's a fair comment but I think it's always a question of weighing up the pros & cons. In 1985 not many people even knew about computers and fraud was more a question of dodgy cheques. Nowadays anybody's identity is at risk and with it their money, access to essential services and privacy. I think the pros now outweigh the cons. excellent response! I was hoping someone would spot that. I'm not sure I agree yet, but you made a very valid point.

This is thoughtful answer, I agree that you may not need this in 1980s, but if the condition changed a lot in past 30 years. Shouldn't the law be adapted to new circumstances?

Even passport has a chipset and standardized form today (I think there should be an international deal on this). If many countries can adapt to changes, it means the progress to get a multi-nation agreement and implemented is faster than to modify an internal law. Policy makers didn't do as much as they are paid, I guess.