opinion/analysis
Standard response from the NBN company here, but seasoned readers will note that the company is now including the following phrasing in its statements: ” with an upgrade path to meet future demand”.

Fibre to the Distribution Point (FTTdp)/G.Fast is indeed coming, people. Watch for a formal announcement over the next six months from our Prime Minister as to how the odious FTTN millstone around his neck will be neutered as an election issue.

source: https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/05/nbn-rejects-analysis-fttp-rollout-to-take-significantly-longer/

Are you malware?

But, but , but this cannot be. Mr Turdbull promised that FTTN was the way to go. Surely not another backflip by this pack of incompetent fools. I am dreading what we will end up with and what it will cost.

Cost will exceed $100Bn, opportunity cost much more than that.

Traitorous scum!

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

Cost will exceed $100Bn, opportunity cost much more than that. Traitorous scum!

In your case any advancement in the great information super highway will be wasted anyway, may as well just provide you with endless reruns of sesame street, this would keep you occupied for endless hours as you tried to keep up with cookie monster as he counted to twelve.

Wow, did you think that all up by yourself or did Mummy help you?

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

Wow, did you think that all up by yourself or did Mummy help you?

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Actually you helped me, I see profound idiocy in the form of you and it uplifts me because I realise that there but for the grace of God go I, all it would have taken is for a few molecules here and there to be rearranged in my brain and hey presto I would have been as stupid as you.

I don't take this luck lightly, it is not my job to sit back and gloat, it is my job to try and reeducate to save others from their genetically programmed path to stupidity.   

Mummy DID help you, and Daddy helped you with the big words in your latest post. Your parents must be so proud.

http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/the-end-of-the-nbn-missed-opportunity-for-the-innovation-agenda/

NBN project nearing its end with a huge opportunity cost for Australia.

I knew that the MTM would be a failure even before it was announced.

In 2008 or 2009 I attended a public meeting called by A. Southcotte MHR that was addressed by Turncoat.

After crapping on about “infrastructure competition” and praising the NZ & UK FTTN rollouts the meeting was thrown open to questions. All the questions from the Lib luvvies there were about problems with their landlines! Other meetings Turncoat attended would have been similar—and STILL the dufus went ahead with FTTN.

In the meantime the kiwis said “sod this” about FTTN and started out with FTTH and never looked back. The Brits are in huge trouble with their FTTC[abinet, i.e. Node] which is producing woeful results.

Truffles just announced his meaningless Innovation agenda—it needs FTTH to make it work but the NBN wasn’t mentioned at all.

I call it treason.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:16pm: Wow, did you think that all up by yourself or did Mummy help you? . Actually you helped me, I see profound idiocy in the form of you and it uplifts me because I realise that there but for the grace of God go I, all it would have taken is for a few molecules here and there to be rearranged in my brain and hey presto I would have been as stupid as you. I don't take this luck lightly, it is not my job to sit back and gloat, it is my job to try and reeducate to save others from their genetically programmed path to stupidity.

innocent has no method to his rhyme: CAN ONLY BE VESTED INTEREST PROPAGANDA AND ALL YOUNG LIBERAL VOTERS CRY FOREVER  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

GO THE LOGIC BUILT BY THOSE WHO SPAT ON THE ANZACS YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY  ;D ;D ;D ;D


I VOTE JEW BY THE WAY(OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS, DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT REALLLY  ::))


I VOTE FOR BANKS AND MINING AND VESTED INTERESTS AND THE ELITE AND OTHER PLANET ACCOUNTANT IDEAS YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I HAD KIDS FOR FINANICAL REASONS ASWELL..... THE WOMAN CAN DEAL WITH HER MUMS FAILURE TO HAVE THE ABORTION I WANTED  ::)

A MC MANSION WILL DO... NOW I DRINK BEER AND SLEEP  :-/

OH NOES I KILLED EVERYTHING  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Treason, predatory practices (Telstra can keep monopoly on copper but not fibre) and the country just keeps going backwards relative to our neighbors and trading partners.

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/21/telstra-says-govt-policy-forcing-it-to-deploy-brand-new-copper/?utm_content=buffer5c7ed&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

When is the upgrade?

We never seem to get anything.

Fiber to the node or fiber to the home - so far zero.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 6:05pm:

When is the upgrade? We never seem to get anything. Fiber to the node or fiber to the home - so far zero.

You think you are the only one?

This will take a decade to fix thanks to LNP inaction.

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 6:05pm: When is the upgrade? We never seem to get anything. Fiber to the node or fiber to the home - so far zero. You think you are the only one? This will take a decade to fix thanks to LNP inaction.

A decade?

We'll never get an NBN.

Get used to dial up copper rubbish.

Not that bad, Bobby. Netflix’s growing presence here means the crap networks are being overloaded. The Libs will have to do something.

FTTDp will be announced in the election or before. Of necessity.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 11:30pm:

Not that bad, Bobby. Netflix’s growing presence here means the crap networks are being overloaded. The Libs will have to do something. FTTDp will be announced in the election or before. Of necessity.

Australia is nearly bankrupt - we owe so much money.

There is no money to build an NBN or anything else.

DRAH gave a link where new copper is being installed in new suburbs.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:01am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:30pm: Not that bad, Bobby. Netflix’s growing presence here means the crap networks are being overloaded. The Libs will have to do something. FTTDp will be announced in the election or before. Of necessity. Australia is nearly bankrupt - we owe so much money. There is no money to build an NBN or anything else. DRAH gave a link where new copper is being installed in new suburbs.

Debt levels are actually quite reasonable. Public and private despite the wanton hysteria from some quarters.

By the way, currency issuing sovereign nations can't actually go bankrupt. There may be other undesirable effects of poor monetary controls but bankruptcy isn't one of them.

“wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;)

Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:04pm: Cost will exceed $100Bn, opportunity cost much more than that. Traitorous scum! In your case any advancement in the great information super highway will be wasted anyway, may as well just provide you with endless reruns of sesame street, this would keep you occupied for endless hours as you tried to keep up with cookie monster as he counted to twelve.

The count counts ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AoxCkySv34

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Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:28am:

“wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now.

he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain,


That's right

A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 3:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black.

Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger.

crocodile wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black. Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger.

No I didn't - please explain.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 8:53pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 5:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black. Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger. No I didn't - please explain.

There is no mystery. Government income is raised entirely from the private sector. It should be obvious that if governments continuously tax more than they spend it must come from the savings of the private sector. The end result simply being an escalation of private sector debt at the expense of public sector savings.

The government sector is not like a household. Surplus upon surplus is not as good as it sounds. Escalating private sector debt is as bad as it sounds.

You really need to acquaint yourself with the sectoral balances. A decent macro textbook will most likely have an entire chapter devoted to the subject.

crocodile wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:53pm: crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 5:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black. Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger. No I didn't - please explain. There is no mystery. Government income is raised entirely from the private sector. It should be obvious that if governments continuously tax more than they spend it must come from the savings of the private sector. The end result simply being an escalation of private sector debt at the expense of public sector savings. The government sector is not like a household. Surplus upon surplus is not as good as it sounds. Escalating private sector debt is as bad as it sounds. You really need to acquaint yourself with the sectoral balances. A decent macro textbook will most likely have an entire chapter devoted to the subject.

You sound like a Govt. spin doctor -

debt is good.

war is peace

freedom is slavery

ignorance is strength

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:53pm: crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 5:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black. Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger. No I didn't - please explain. There is no mystery. Government income is raised entirely from the private sector. It should be obvious that if governments continuously tax more than they spend it must come from the savings of the private sector. The end result simply being an escalation of private sector debt at the expense of public sector savings. The government sector is not like a household. Surplus upon surplus is not as good as it sounds. Escalating private sector debt is as bad as it sounds. You really need to acquaint yourself with the sectoral balances. A decent macro textbook will most likely have an entire chapter devoted to the subject. You sound like a Govt. spin doctor - debt is good. war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength

You've certainly gained no strength from your own ignorance.

If you have a look at some sectoral balances from around the world you will find that private sector balances are precisely equal to the government balance + CAD.

Eurozone

http://multiplier-effect.org/files/2011/11/Euro-Sectoral-Balances.png

USA

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/US-sectoral-balances.gif

Canada

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bGNDJj_621A/Tv9BZr1eNeI/AAAAAAAAALw/rhLkijkoUdk/s1600/Household+and+government+sectoral+balances+1961Q1+-+2011Q3.png

Japan

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Japan_sectoral_balances_1980_2010.jpg

Aussie

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Australia_BD_SI_1959_2012.jpg

UK

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/UK_sectoral_balances_1980_2012.jpg

Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it.

I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it. I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.

No Bobby, that is too simple. Without debt there can be no immediate finance. Without finance nothing gets built, serviced or procured. The debt levels today, both public and private are entirely serviceable and well within the nation's means.

Do you really expect all expenditures to be met entirely from savings alone.

crocodile wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm: Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it. I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means. No Bobby, that is too simple. Without debt there can be no immediate finance. Without finance nothing gets built, serviced or procured. The debt levels today, both public and private are entirely serviceable and well within the nation's means. Do you really expect all expenditures to be met entirely from savings alone.

You are forgetting that the debt money is being spent to pay public servants wages & welfare payments.

It's not being used for infrastructure -
that's why we pay tolls on roads to private business.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:55pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm: Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it. I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means. No Bobby, that is too simple. Without debt there can be no immediate finance. Without finance nothing gets built, serviced or procured. The debt levels today, both public and private are entirely serviceable and well within the nation's means. Do you really expect all expenditures to be met entirely from savings alone. You are forgetting that the debt money is being spent to pay public servants wages & welfare payments. It's not being used for infrastructure - that's why we pay tolls on roads to private business.

Forgetting nothing. Your assumption now is that the entire federal income is debt based. It's not. Only the deficit is raised as debt. These are issued in native currency as bonds. They are redeemed as the money supply expands along with nominal growth in the economy. You really need to buy a decent macro textbook.

ITWire publishes the article Nick Ross wrote in 2013 that the ABC did not publish so as not offend Turncoat:

http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/telecoms-and-nbn/71165-issues-with-coalition-nbn-costs-2013-exclusive

Nick rips the Lib statements (on www.malcolmturnbull.com.au and www.tonyabbott.com.au ) apart.

From our vantage point in 2016 we know the costs of the MTM mess, with little run out as yet, have blown out to $56Bn with another .6Bn due to problems with Telstra copper and the Optus HFC (which would have been known about before the MTM mess was decided on!)

By contrast, the new technologies, named Project Fox and proved in the Melton, Vic, FTTH rollout would have halved construction time and cost of rolling out FTTH.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/quigleys-project-fox-still-saving-nbn-co-money-on-fibre-morrow/

More
http://www.zdnet.com/article/turnbull-fooling-nobody-but-himself-on-nbn-co-fttp-savings/

Just how slimy is this fascist govt anyway?

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/24/govt-censors-nbn-cos-fttp-projection-data/

Data on cost of running out FTTP starting the rollout again supposed to cost this huge amount compared to the “tiny” $56Bn (so far) of the useless MTM mess—hidden!

So we can see optimistic projections of cost of the MTM rubbish but we cannot see the projections of the FTTH version?

Do you think Turncoat is hiding something? Bunch of crooks and liars!

As I have said before, rural councils were some of the most eager to have the NBN rolled out in their areas, even offering to pay part of the cost of bring fibre to their areas. Here is one example:


Quote:

Remote Queensland towns secure fibre broadband funding Barcoo-Diamantina link to roll out in March. Six remote towns in Queensland’s western shires are set to get a fibre broadband link after a decade-long campaign secured $16.5 million in federal, state and local funding. The project will see 600 kilometres of fibre optic cable rolled out in March to connect the Barcoo and Diamantina Shire towns of Stonehenge, Jundah, Windorah, Birdsville and Bedourie, allowing for metro-equivalent fixed broadband and 4G services. The towns had previously relied on Telstra high capacity radio concentrator (HCRC) microwave and radio links, which had been installed in the 1980s, for voice services. Aside from being unable to give residents access to the internet, the unreliable and outdated system left them unable to make calls on a number of occasions.

http://www.itnews.com.au/news/remote-queensland-towns-secure-fibre-broadband-funding-414027#ixzz3yHNyUnic

It was of course the new Labor Premier that got this started. Well done.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it. I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.

Debt has a function.

You are saying debt has no function  :D

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:53pm: crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 5:03pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am: “wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    :) ;) Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  ::) and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now. he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, That's right A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black. Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger. No I didn't - please explain. There is no mystery. Government income is raised entirely from the private sector. It should be obvious that if governments continuously tax more than they spend it must come from the savings of the private sector. The end result simply being an escalation of private sector debt at the expense of public sector savings. The government sector is not like a household. Surplus upon surplus is not as good as it sounds. Escalating private sector debt is as bad as it sounds. You really need to acquaint yourself with the sectoral balances. A decent macro textbook will most likely have an entire chapter devoted to the subject. You sound like a Govt. spin doctor - debt is good. war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength

Lol, debt has a function... You are rewriting the book by saying it has no function!

Nomenclature buddy... You have no logical skills!

Some of the things we cannot do with the third rate MTM mess that is already costing more than the FTTH rollout. From an article by Nick Ross, Sep 2013:

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/09/19/3852140.htm


Quote:

Meaningless phrases and numbers Many people are sick of hearing nebulous terms like 'superfast broadband' and jargon like 'jigabits per second' and 'download speeds.' Telehealthcare ignores all of that and treats the NBN like the infrastructure that it is - a network which provides a medical-grade, reliable connection to each home and a complete standardisation of equipment - i.e. 'one box and one interface for everyone' - instead of the hotchpotch, 'every-situation-is-different' situation that we have today. Why is this important? Australia's ballooning health spend According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, the country spent over $121bn on healthcare between 2009-10. The following year it surpassed $130bn and it's been rising at six per cent each year - twice the growth rate of GDP. Healthcare expenditure currently makes up 10 per cent of GDP but analysts Mark Dougan from Frost and Sullivan says that, "At the current rate, in perhaps about ten years or so, it will hit 15 per cent of GDP - mostly from public sources." He points out that this growth rate is "unsustainable." According to South Australia Health's October 2012 report: [quote]At the time we released the 2007 South Australian Health Care Plan, if SA Health had continued spending at the same rate, then by 2032 the entire State budget will be consumed by Health alone. Our efforts to reduce growth in demand has now pushed this back to 2038. Slowing the growth in demand, however, must be accompanied by providing more efficient services in order to deliver a balanced budget...

Peter Croft from Allocate (healthcare) Software adds, "Most State governments have identified a point in the future where the growth in funding for health is going to consume the entire state budget."

The problem is that improvements have to come from efficiency gains and not spending cuts. As Stephen Duckett and Cassie McGannon said recently in The Conversation:


Quote:

Reducing health spending growth will not be easy. As Grattan's Game-changers report last year showed, Australia already has one of the OECD's most efficient health systems, in terms of life expectancy achieved for dollars spent. Sweeping cuts to health funding, or shifting costs to consumers, could have serious consequences. Blunt cost-cutting risks reducing health and well-being, and could ultimately lead to higher government costs due to illness, increased health-care needs and lower workforce participation.

[/quote]

Another article showing what the Libs have taken away. Nick Ross 2013:

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

With the motor car industry closing we could have used the NBN to foster lots of creative, content creating industries  :(

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:

Another article showing what the Libs have taken away. Nick Ross 2013: http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm With the motor car industry closing we could have used the NBN to foster lots of creative, content creating industries  :(

Malcolm Turnbull is in a world of hurt and Bill is loving it  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

wait wait....  ::) ::) ::) (Please forgive me  8-) 8-)): Malcolm Hurtbull is in a world of turd and ...etc etc yadda yadda yadda fmthis is going to be another fine day for yours truly!

:D :D :D :D

They aren't open, it's slower, it's more expensive and it doesn't pay itself back.

How can anyone justify MTM?

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

They aren't open, it's slower, it's more expensive and it doesn't pay itself back. How can anyone justify MTM?

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/27/morrow-hints-at-long-term-fttp-upgrade-for-mtm-nbn/

They can't: here come the backflips  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/20/telstra-may-be-deploying-brand-new-copper-to-new-developments/

They are also deploying more copper - it's more expensive and slower than fibre.

This has now gotten beyond a joke.

It is called kissing Rupert’s {gak, euchhh} ring.

Or total but total bloody stupidity!

Mentioned above but:


Quote:

news The chief executive of the NBN company has stated in a radio interview that the National Broadband Network will eventually go to “the same place” as Labor’s original Fibre to the Premises model through continual upgrades to the network over time, in a move which appears to offer long-term hope for those displeased by the Government’s controversial multi-technology model.

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/27/morrow-hints-at-long-term-fttp-upgrade-for-mtm-nbn/

You would have to be stupid or a Lib voter (a tautology there) to believe that crap! As was pointed out, new copper is being run out everywhere. Copper is more expensive to roll out and because it will inevitably corrode, be attacked by rats and other vermin etc will incur hefty maintenance costs. Copper also needs more power than optical fibre (5V.)

Then the stupid nodes cannot be used to move to FTTH, the nodes will have to be ditched and new fibre rolled out from exchanges. So as well as heading for >$100Bn cost to roll out the MTM crap we will have to pay the $44Bn to roll out fibre again. The opportunity cost makes these eye-bleedingly huge sums pale in comparison.

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/20/telstra-may-be-deploying-brand-new-copper-to-new-developments/ They are also deploying more copper - it's more expensive and slower than fibre. This has now gotten beyond a joke.

Turnbull is up the creek: the official emblem of the "L"  ::) ::) iberal Party of Australia is actually an elephant thanks to one man... well two but Tony deserves a break.

http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1t18FIFXXXXbvXXXXq6xXFXXXA/Exquisite-Cute-Chinese-Copper-Elephant-Statue.jpg

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Mentioned above but: Quote: news The chief executive of the NBN company has stated in a radio interview that the National Broadband Network will eventually go to “the same place” as Labor’s original Fibre to the Premises model through continual upgrades to the network over time, in a move which appears to offer long-term hope for those displeased by the Government’s controversial multi-technology model. https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/27/morrow-hints-at-long-term-fttp-upgrade-for-mtm-nbn/ You would have to be stupid or a Lib voter (a tautology there) to believe that crap! As was pointed out, new copper is being run out everywhere. Copper is more expensive to roll out and because it will inevitably corrode, be attacked by rats and other vermin etc will incur hefty maintenance costs. Copper also needs more power than optical fibre (5V.) Then the stupid nodes cannot be used to move to FTTH, the nodes will have to be ditched and new fibre rolled out from exchanges. So as well as heading for >$100Bn cost to roll out the MTM crap we will have to pay the $44Bn to roll out fibre again. The opportunity cost makes these eye-bleedingly huge sums pale in comparison.

That article,.. not to mention every other article about the NBN,... makes sleeping very difficult for every Liberal voter.

The questions it raises not only about efficiency but of general shennanigans shown not only by the foreign investor cabal party but also of the media makes this whole thing a spittooon of a country that people actually died for.

PEOPLE DIED FOR THIS and it's about time Turnbull was told this in no uncertain terms.

:o :o :o

:'(

Cry people: cry or forever feel ashamed.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Under the Libs NBN Co has developed a culture of lying to the public.

I have now got a pillar next to the node cabinet around the corner of my street. When told I need to move to FTTN I will look for a decent wireless broadband service. FTTN over Telstra copper  is a sad joke. The cabinets are WAY underprovisioned with fibre. Crazy! Waste of money, waste of opportunity.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Under the Libs NBN Co has developed a culture of lying to the public. I have now got a pillar next to the node cabinet around the corner of my street. When told I need to move to FTTN I will look for a decent wireless broadband service. FTTN over Telstra copper  is a sad joke. The cabinets are WAY underprovisioned with fibre. Crazy! Waste of money, waste of opportunity.

You DO realise that it isn't FREE, don't you?  ;D

Neferti wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 4:51pm: Under the Libs NBN Co has developed a culture of lying to the public. I have now got a pillar next to the node cabinet around the corner of my street. When told I need to move to FTTN I will look for a decent wireless broadband service. FTTN over Telstra copper  is a sad joke. The cabinets are WAY underprovisioned with fibre. Crazy! Waste of money, waste of opportunity. You DO realise that it isn't FREE, don't you?  ;D

What the blazes are you on about?

This is why FTTDp, compromise between FTTH & FTTN, will be run out starting some time this year:

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6633-netflix-growth-slows-by-end-of-year-december-2015-201601182300

By end 2015 one million homes were subscribed to Netflix. That will more than double by the end 2016. Australians are early adopters of new technology.

Neferti wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 28th, 2016 at 4:51pm: Under the Libs NBN Co has developed a culture of lying to the public. I have now got a pillar next to the node cabinet around the corner of my street. When told I need to move to FTTN I will look for a decent wireless broadband service. FTTN over Telstra copper  is a sad joke. The cabinets are WAY underprovisioned with fibre. Crazy! Waste of money, waste of opportunity. You DO realise that it isn't FREE, don't you?  ;D

YOU DO REALISE COPPER INTERNET FOR THE COUNTRY THAT BUILT CHINA IS THE BIGGEST GLOBAL JOKE THAT EVER HAPPENED DON'T YOU  :D :D :D :D :D :D

GO LIBERAL PARTY, YAY: I WISH I HAD BUSINESS ACUMEN AND COULD TELL EXPENSIVELY EDUCATED KIDS THAT COPPER INTERNET WAS VALUE FOR TAX PAYER DOLLAR!

PEOPLE DIED FOR THIS  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Ha! Ha bloody ha! I am right and Turncoat is wrong! FTTN is a non–starter here!

I had driven to do a bit of shopping and coming back saw a tech working on the node cabinet so pulled over and had a bit of a chat.

Firstly, the node is not airconditioned. The first tech I spoke to said there was an airconditioner in the back of the cabinet. Not quite, there is a heat exchanger there. hehehehehehe the heat exchangers work up to 30°C. Gets warmer than that in Australian summers. The tech working on the node said that NBN Co had a warning just before Christmass. But ideology not common sense prevails at NBN Co.

Secondly, there really is not enough fibre to give much more than 12:1 and less than that as the area served by the node is cut over to the FTTN crap.

Thirdly, the tech hinted that FTTDp would replace FTTN before long. That is what I have read and believe. Read Whirlpool, FTTN is not delivering—and this is the early days with not many on the actual FTTN yet.

The technician also made a comment about Labor’s NBN, saying that the engineers didn’t listen to people like him working on the actual coal face leading to some delays and costs. Particularly that some ducts had collapsed in places, tree roots etc. Yup, a real engineer will have hands on experience and will listen to his para professionals.

So there you have it. FTTN is finished, FTTDp will be rolled out instead. When, who knows?

If Labor wins the next election, I hope so many NBN co execs and Turnbull and Morrow and such are thrown into prison for misleading the senate inquiry, fraud and the blatant embezzling scheme that is going on.

I doubt it will happen though, Labor hasn't even mentioned that the ABC gagged NBN coverage and sided with the Liberals on an editorial level which would be a goldmine of ammo for them.

I want them tried for treason!