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Title: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:15am
Not sure whether this is correct or not but interesting I thought!
Malcolm Turnbull has enjoyed some excellent polls since becoming prime minister. The man he replaced, Tony Abbott, remained consistently at low levels. So why has Turnbull proven to be so popular? This is an even greater puzzle when it is appreciated that Turnbull was consistently trounced by Kevin Rudd when he was opposition leader in 2008 and 2009. The puzzle of Abbott’s consistent unpopularity cries out for an explanation. We can rule out such things as the way that he walked and that he ate a raw onion. There are other factors that go back to Rudd. Changing nature of leadership Kevin “I’m from Queensland and I’m here to help” Rudd radiated in his public persona a sunny disposition that was reassuring and helped to convince Australians that all was going well. Even if Rudd was a monster in private when dealing with colleagues, this did not dent his public image, which resonated with a large number of ordinary Australians. We live in an age when many people have a desire for optimism and a positive outlook on the world. Like Voltaire’s Candide they want to believe they live in the best of all possible worlds even as terrible events occur all around them. They do not like a world divided into winners and losers. If we live in an increasingly Caesarist democracy dominated by the leader, then it is becoming apparent that the leader’s role is twofold – to provide safety and security for the members of the country they lead, and to do so in a positive and optimistic fashion that reassures the people nothing will interfere with their pursuit of the pleasures of an affluent society. This is not an age that favours Churchillian rhetoric. Contemporary politicians make a big mistake if they attempt to seek opportunities to imitate Britain’s wartime prime minister. It has now been more than two generations since Australians have faced an immediate existential threat as they did in 1942. They have experienced years of prosperity and have no greater desire than for that prosperity to continue. An appeal to “blood, toil, tears and sweat” does not resonate. Abbott’s failure What does resonate is a sunny optimism that all will be right, even when that appears to be far from the case. In some ways such an attitude indicates that Australia has moved away from a culture influenced by Britain to one that has much more in common with the US. Turnbull’s unbounded faith in innovation’s power to transform Australia is reminiscent of writer and philosopher Ayn Rand’s belief in the capacity of creative individuals to bring into being a dynamic social order, a belief that inspired the denizens of Silicon Valley. The key value of this Randian creative order is self-esteem: individuals feeling good about themselves and their achievements. In such a world, the role of the Caesarist political leader is to make individuals feel good about themselves by emphasising optimism and the opportunities that lie ahead of them in the future. It would appear that Rudd tapped into this cultural shift – this new mood – and this was the basis of his enormous popularity. By whatever means, Turnbull has also come to recognise this is the best means of becoming popular and retaining popularity. Abbott failed to read the signs of the times. His rhetoric was Churchillian, emphasising struggle, crisis and emergency. That there are many crises at present is undeniable. But in a 21st-century democratic country such as Australia, the general population does not want to be constantly reminded of them. They want a sunny, optimistic vision of the future in which there will be no need for blood, toil, tears and sweat. They want their self-esteem boosted. In this regard it was a combination of Abbott’s honesty and his conservative disposition that were his undoing. Conservatives understand and appreciate the failings of human nature; they can be brutally honest in exposing those failings. This can lead to them being viewed as unnecessarily negative. This would not matter in certain times and places. However, in 21st-century Australia – with its growing attachment to values of self-esteem and having a positive outlook – such values become problematic for a political leader who lives and dies by opinion polls. Perhaps Abbott should have examined the career of his mentor B. A. Santamaria more closely. Santamaria was the ultimate “crisis man”. He was constantly expounding how the world was in crisis from the 1930s onwards. But ultimately Santamaria did not achieve his political goals. Australia was transformed in ways he did not desire. https://theconversation.com/why-was-tony-abbott-so-unpopular-52438 |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:20am "Why was Abbott so unpopular?" You're gonna need a bigger forum. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:21am
Why was Abbott so unpopular
He was at first popular among people who were conservative or didn't know much about him. He came to office and immediately displayed a mountain of dishonesty and ineptitude. Tony earned and deserved a quick loss of popular support due to a consistent lack of competence and a string of broken promises. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:24am Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:21am:
I've taken the liberty of making one small change to your otherwise brilliant post. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:41am
Young fogey was trying to implement his thatcherite policy in a modern Australia and that was never going to fly , and of course he was an indecisive borderline sociopath that burnt every shred of political capital before he was officially PM , Labor have lost out big not having the imbecile as PM but Australia collectively is a better place having him relegated to nobody status where he can't do anymore damage.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Aussie on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:45am
He was a fraud, a hollow man, and people eventually saw it.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Maqqa on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:47am
He's politically incorrect
Political Correctness police are the loud minority The majority of voters are too lazy to do their own research so they listen to sound bites from the loud minority Then they form their views based on this |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:48am Maqqa wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:47am:
Fixed it for ya! |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49am Maqqa wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:47am:
Yep. He spoke his mind and the Canberra press gallery absolute hate it when politicians do that. Look what happened to Pauline Hanson just because she voiced her personal views - views that a great many Australians agreed with. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:51am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49am:
The problem being, he was out of his mind. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:57am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:48am:
He destroyed Rudd and Gillard and then when Rudd got back up he knocked him down again. All while in Opposition. As PM, he managed to negotiate with the Greens and Independents on a number of pieces of legislation to negate Labor's blocking tactics. Doesn't seem like the work of a person who is politically incompetent. He made some bad decisions and was handed a shambles of a budget by Labor, who knew he would have to make tough, unpopular decisions in order to keep his promises of returning the budget to surplus. That is the Labor way, after all - make a mess and then make it nigh on impossible for the next guy to clean it up. The only problem is that now Turnbull is in office and while he is more left-leaning than any Liberal PM in living memory, he isn't as left-leaning as someone like Shorten or Plibersek and that's why he's going to pulverise Shorten at the next Federal election. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:00am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:57am:
So Shorten destroyed Abbott, he must be well positioned. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Kat on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:00am Maqqa wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:47am:
Funny how when a conservative says 'End political correctness', what he REALLY means is 'End controls on racism, bigotry and hate-speech'. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Maqqa on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:01am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49am:
Agreed You don't have to agree with Pauline's view but you must respect her right to have a view This is why Trump is so popular right now in the US The Press will always adopt a high moral ground test whenever they write their article. How many of these writers actual live by the same standards? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Kat on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:01am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:51am:
As were those who voted LNP. Still are, for that matter. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:10am Kat wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:00am:
No, what it means is when someone says to end PC, they mean an end to schools that won't do Easter or Christmas for fear of offending a handful of students who are Muslim, for example. Or those who insist on asking people to say "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" for the same reason. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:11am Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:00am:
Abbott destroyed Abbott. Shorten's satisfaction rating was almost as low as Abbott's. The only reason more people voted for him in opinion polls is because they didn't like Shorten, but they disliked Abbott more. Shorten is an empty suit - he's nothing. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:13am Maqqa wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:01am:
Exactly. His claim that he would halt all Muslim immigration may be popular with the lunatic fringe and a handful of other groups but it's not something he'd politically ever be able to implement. The consequences for the US would make such a move intolerable. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:14am Kat wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:01am:
Amen to that, brother! |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Armchair_Politician on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:17am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:14am:
Sadly, the truth is that those who believe others are crazy are far more likely to be crazy themselves. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:19am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:17am:
I'm sure you believe that. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:23am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:17am:
Psychiatrists are all crazy ? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:26am Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:23am:
And, if Armpit believes them to be crazy doesn't that then make him crazy? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:27am Maqqa wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:47am:
He's politically incorrect His period as opposition leader and PM were the most politically correct of his life - his minders made sure of that. Political correctness in my opinion had nothing to do with his popularity, people would have been happy to accept that had he been in charge of a competent government. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:30am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:26am:
It does make it difficult for anyone to be crazy ? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Swagman on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:59am Quote:
Leftists are politically indoctrinated to hate. The politics of envy, mob intimidation, cultural marxism, social media, political correctness. bullying etc are their weapons of choice. Leftists, and their comrades in the union movement, target individuals whom they fear may succeed in eroding their power. Abbott was targeted from day 1 with their hate propaganda and their leftist comrades lap it up. Soon all are just "following the crowd at chow time" echoing the hate. :( This political hate is pretty palpable here too :o Godwin's law aside, its also the very tactic that was used by the National Socialists to great effect, which is something Leftists will emphatically deny (watch this space...... :D) |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:03pm Swagman wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:59am:
However, Abbott was unpopular with the Liberal Party. They're the ones who removed him. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Kiron22 on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:04pm
I really don't get where this "Abbott the victim" complex comes from, Abbott was one of the most incompetent leaders in Australian history up there with Joh and Newman and the media largely never really held him to account, it really became a "Oh we are reporting on this because we have too, but we don't really care" thing and Abbott would honestly have a politically career killing moment for anyone else on almost on a weekly basis.
Meanwhile Gillard was constantly hounded by the media over the smallest thing, sections of the media and Parliament were outright calling for Gillards assassination, what did Gillard do? Didn't even lie about a Carbon Tax that never actually existed and was quoted out of context. Abbott broke almost every promise he made before even his first budget. Abbott got off light for what a piece of trash he was, I mean, look at Shorten, he has a lower approval rating than Abbott and he hasn't even done anything except exist and get media hearsay thrown at him. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:45pm Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:04pm:
Ain't that the truth! For one of the most incompetent politicians this country has ever seen, the media went relatively easy on him. The history books won't be so kind, though. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by the good ole boys on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:54pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:45pm:
Incompetent?? The last Labor Government was incompetent. What a mess those retards created. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:55pm the good ole boys wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:54pm:
Yes, incompetent. Probably the most incompetent "leader" this country has ever seen. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by the good ole boys on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:55pm:
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Kiron22 on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:00pm
Cool story bro.
Gillard and Rudd despite being dysfunctional, were a thousand times the politician and leader than Abbott was. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Kiron22 on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:01pm the good ole boys wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:57pm:
What is the GFC and winding down Mining Boom, it wasn't Swan who pissed away the biggest commodities boom the world had ever seen. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by the good ole boys on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:02pm Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:03pm the good ole boys wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:57pm:
They weren't perfect, however, they were far from being a joke. This thread is about Abbott and his total failure as ... well ... his total failure. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:07pm Yes, he spoke the truth. With over a decade of PC spinelessness, speaking the truth was unpalatable. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:10pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
He wouldn't know how to tell the truth if his life depended on it. Apart from being the most incompetent "leader" this country has ever seen, he was also the most dishonest. He doesn't have a single redeeming feature. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Fireball on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:18pm
He was only unpopular with the Labrats and Greens.......because they were scared sh!tless of him, and they still are. They knew he had the average Australian voter behind him and he still does. If he was still PM I would vote for the Liberal Party again in a heartbeat, but NOT with that backstabbing twat Turncoat as PM.
Peccary's attitude just illustrates the bile and fear Abbott's opposition have where he is concerned. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by aussie100percent on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:23pm Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
I wonder if they will slit their wrist when he comes back ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Sprintcyclist on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:31pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
Raised many $1000's for womens cancer. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:35pm aussie100percent wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
we can live in hope.....lol... funny how they are still obsessed with him......and yes I would vote for him.. so hate me too...turnbull is the fake....but then the left like fakes dont they... >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Swagman on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:38pm Swagman wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 11:59am:
Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 12:04pm:
5 mins later...right on cue ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Swagman on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:42pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:31pm:
...been in the RFS for 10 years or so and a surf life saver I guess redeeming features are hugging trees or tying one selves to coal loaders or handing out tax-payer paid freebies to Lefties? :D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Fireball on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm
Where's peccahead?
Taking his medication to soothe his very nervous and childishly sarcastic disposition....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:46pm Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
And his peers who removed him from office. Did you forget that, Fuzzball? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:47pm Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
hes probably reporting you for abuse.. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Fireball on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
Didn't take you long did it peccahead..... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:53pm Fuzzball wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
It didn't take his peers long to remove him from office. 18 September 2013 to 15 September 2015 Sounds like he wasn't too popular with them, Fuzzball. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:29pm
His poor speaking skills didn't help, nor did it help that he became like a timid mouse in the end. Adding this to the left-wing propaganda that is espoused by the education department and many media outlets, he didn't stand a chance.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:44pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
As I said in the beginning of this thread: "Why was Abbott so unpopular?" You're gonna need a bigger forum. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
So it's a complex issue is it and not as simple as lefties make out. Thanks for that. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:49pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
No. It is quite simple. The "man" does not have a single redeeming feature. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
So we don't need a bigger forum. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:53pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:51pm:
We most certainly do. In order to list all of the reasons he was so unpopular. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Aussie on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:53pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
I'm no 'leftie' but I have put it quite succinctly with: Quote:
I think you know I have spent some time researching Abbott and that short sentence is sufficient to make the point. I did omit...'Mummy's boy,' by oversight. If you want details, happy to oblige. I have already posted them here previously. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
So it's not so simple now. Make up your mind. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49pm
he was unpopular because he was a dumba55 with really sh1t policies and had no idea how to govern. Tony has to be the worst PM we have ever had. A used condom would make a better PM than Tony ever did.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:53pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:55pm:
It's very simple. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:55pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
Not even the rightards on here would deny that fact now. Hard to believe that such an incompetent idiot made it to that office. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by The Grappler on Jan 8th, 2016 at 2:45am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
Just a reward for service to the party - he did after all, play the role of the head kicker, and oversaw the slush fund to do down Pauline Hanson, whose policies Wee Johnny stole and enhanced. What other credentials do you need to become PM in this country? Now Joey - a rip-off artist whose maternal grandmother used North Shore property investments to procure millions and nearly took an infarction when she was forced to pay tax on income.... well - that's a prime candidate for Treasurer. Goes to show what politics in this country is really all about, eh? Reality sucks, yes? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by philperth2010 on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:59am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
Abbott lied to get elected....Claiming he spoke the truth is a joke right??? :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Swagman on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:13am
All politicians lie to get elected.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:59am Swagman wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:13am:
Not many can tell 6 lies in 25 words though. Tony set a new lying standard that may never be bettered. If it were not for Howard Tony would be the undisputed king of lies. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 8th, 2016 at 9:09am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
he spoke the truth. What there were no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no cuts to the ABC or SBS, no cuts to pensions etc ? Spoke the truth the seventh planet he did. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by philperth2010 on Jan 8th, 2016 at 9:53am Swagman wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:13am:
Yet Abbott made such a noise about honesty when in opposition....No one likes a two faced liar!!! :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 8th, 2016 at 9:55am Swagman wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:13am:
His lies continued long after the election. In fact, I can't remember a day when he didn't lie. The most incompetent, dishonest "leader" this country has ever had the misfortune to see. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Wolseley on Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:30am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwU6VUUM9Bs |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:56am Wolseley wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:30am:
;D What an absolute clown. Everyone else in the world must have been pissing themselves laughing at us. "That's your Prime Minister - really?" |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dsmithy70 on Jan 8th, 2016 at 12:13pm
Really?????
5 pages?????????? R E A D S L O W L Y Abbott is/was a dickhead. SIMPLES ;) |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:54am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
Why has Turnball retained many, if not all, of his policies then? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:08am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:54am:
Has he? Which ones? The only ones he's retained are about gay marriage and that's to keep people who only partake in missionary and don't have anal sex on a semi regular basis from getting angry. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:16am
He's still 'turning back the boats'. But that's ok now hey.
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:28am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 6:16am:
No it's not, but it's a policy of both major parties, because of its political sensitivity. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:19am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:54am:
It was the condition that the Liberals who voted for him had put on their votes. Abbott was dumped not because he was incompetent but because the electorate had woken up to his lies and they believed he could not win an election with the baggage he was carrying. His party wanted Abbotts policies with a different leader. Om policy Turnbull has his hands tied. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Culture Warrior on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:25am Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:19am:
So the policies are not the issue, only the person presenting them is. Great! One has to wonder though why the left went batsh*t crazy over those very policies then. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by John_Taverner on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:33am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:54am:
Many of his policies were good. I doubt if he thought them up by himself though. Abbott was cringe-worthy. He was an embarrassment, almost as much as Hockey. It was not the policies, but the execution of them. His ineptitude. Turnbull inspires more confidence. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:46am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:54am:
I suppose he has to take his time, he is heading a divided party. He didnt win by a massive landslide, 54 to 44 I think it was. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by cods on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:00am
welcome back red.. trust you had a nice break..try and stay out of trouble now wont you..
i see your still worried about Abbott??. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:16am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:00am:
Abbott!! He is my favourite, I was just trying to put that bloke straight on how the situation is for Mr Turnbull! Is Turnbull in hiding, havent seen him in WA fire area! Tones would have been over there in a flash if he was PM |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:18am
Why was Abbott so unpopular
caue he was a d1ckhead What does that make his supporters? even bigger d1ckheads |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:24am John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:18am:
Was that aimed at me? REPORTED! |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:25am Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:24am:
depends .... were / are you an Abbott supporter? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:31am John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:25am:
Mmmm...I will have to think about that! Lets put it this way I would rather he was still PM for my own reasons !! |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by John Smith on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:32am Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:31am:
to improve labors chances of winning the next election? that hardly makes you an abbott supporter ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:56am John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:32am:
Damn! Caught out again! ;D |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:15am
Why was Abbott so unpopular
To put it simply he found himself in a position beyond his ability and the people who put him there were very disappointed with his performance. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:20am John_Taverner wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Which of his policies were good? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by The Grappler on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:20am cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:00am:
Yes - let's bury him in the ashes of the past and get on with lambasting the new government until they get their act sorted out.... then if Silent Bill gets a chance at the crease, we'll do the same to him and his cronies until we get them all sorted out. The prime time game here and now (sonny) is to compare the Turnbull crowd with the Abbott crowd on performance.... not much so far that is positive... wait until they're all back from their Let's see how much they've cost us this year to work out that the Modalempian Hopping Toad is not a threat to the Cane Toad in Queensland and shouldn't be imported... or that the gender equality of Outer Faroffistan and the prime resort of the Faraway Islands compares poorly with Australia... or that our Cities Minister can see some wonderful new ideas coming out of Venezuela...... or that counter terrorism moves in Paris and London for the holiday season give up some good ideas (Christ - we've got SAS seconded to 22 there already).... or the new autobahn from Beijing to Armenia is a wonder to behold especially around The Great Wall area.... or that Washington looks good in snow, meaning that next Winter in Cambra the place could be prettied up..... and our Sports and Rec Min had a good look at Disneyland and then Disneyworld and then Dis Europe while attending the Super Bowl in between.... |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:22am John_Taverner wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Such as ... ? Remembering that "many = a large number of." |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Redneck on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:25am Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:20am:
You cynical bastard you!! >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by The Grappler on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:45am
Ain't I just......
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Dnarever on Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 10:22am:
Not necessarily, maybe he had a very small number of policies. I seem to remember that he had one good policy, something about maternity payments - how did that one go ? Or the policies to not increase the cost of education and healthcare ? |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by Bam on Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:54pm Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:16am:
Turnbull could be on leave, it's likely at this time of year. Even so, if the fires were bad, he should consider breaking his leave to do something. |
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Title: Re: Why was Abbott so unpopular Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 10th, 2016 at 1:01pm Bam wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 12:54pm:
Yes, he's entitled to leave. However, a brief media statement released through his office would be a good move. So far, nothing. "TWO people are confirmed dead in the devastating bushfire that has destroyed at least 121 homes and continues to threaten towns in the South-West." http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/wa-bushfires-family-fear-the-worst-for-malcolm-talyor-missing-after-yarloop-fire/news-story/75e1f0bc1d1631ef164c950afc8aabfc |
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