A leading emergency doctor has slammed the NSW government's ultimatum to festival organisers that they will be shut down if drug overdoses continue, saying it will push festivals underground and lead to more deaths.

Dr David Caldicott, an emergency specialist at Canberra's Calvary Hospital, said the proposal advocated by NSW Deputy Premier Troy Grant and backed by Premier Mike Baird was based in the regressive ideology of drug prohibition, which he likened to the "ideological equivalent to climate change denialism".

"What will happen is that these festivals will go ahead, they just won't go ahead in any sort of supervised environment," he said.

"You'll get what happened in the United States in the 1980s which was a wide variety of unsupervised raves and a vast number of people getting hurt and killed."

On Sunday, Mr Baird declared "enough was enough" after a 23-year-old woman was taken to hospital with a suspected MDMA overdose at the Field Day music festival, where 184 people were charged with drug offences.

Mr Baird flagged an overhaul of musical festival permit system, telling the Sunday Telegraph he would call on "relevant ministers to review the current system of regulating events held on public land, including the system for granting permits for public events such as music festivals".

Dr Caldicott, who has been a vocal advocate of the introduction of pill-testing at festivals, described the threat to shut down non-compliant festivals as "the last dying throes of prohibitionists".

"There are so many other things that are far more intelligent that we can do before banning music festivals. It's right up there with police dogs as an idea – it's unlikely to have any effect whatsoever and it's probably going to cause more deaths. So at least law enforcement in NSW is being consistent.
"At the moment, the health policy in Australia is create a drug-free Australia, which is ludicrous. It's never happened anywhere else in the world, why do we personally believe it could possibly happen in Australia where more people are using drugs per capita than many places elsewhere in the world?
"It's kind of like the drug equivalent of climate change denialism. The politicians are concerned about how it appears to a very vocal group of prohibitionists."

The recent spate of high profile fatal overdoses at music festivals, including Sydney women Sylvia Choi, 25, in December and Georgina Barrter, 19, at the 2014 Harbourlife festival, has failed to dent the supply and demand for ecstasy, the street name for MDMA.

In the 2015 annual survey of 700 ecstasy users across Australia, conducted by the National Alcohol and Drug Research Centre, 83 per cent of NSW users found it "easy" or "very easy" to buy ecstasy pills, powder or capsules. Nationally, just 8 per cent said the drug was difficult to obtain.
Amanda Roxburgh, who researches methamphetamine-related deaths (which includes ecstasy) at the NADRC, said the market had recovered after a big dip in ecstasy availability throughout  2009-2010, but synthetic drugs were emerging as a leading cause for concern.

"Part of what has happened in that time is the massive emergence of newer analog drugs," which are chemically analogous to ecstasy but have been slightly changed to get around criminal legislation and detection, she said.
"Often what happens is people are buying what they think is ecstasy and it's something much more toxic."

Ms Roxburgh said data collection of ecstasy-related deaths was stymied by backlogs in coronial inquests and the high demand on forensic testing. The latest available data is from 2010, when 18 people died nationally from methamphetamine as the primary cause of such death, but is not further broken down into ecstasy-related deaths.

The last comprehensive analysis of ecstasy-related deaths, published in 2009, revealed 82 deaths between 2000-2005, of which only 19 were considered to be due to ecstasy toxicity alone.
"We do have work in progress trying to update ecstasy-related deaths but we won't capture the most recent deaths because it takes quite some time to go through the coronial processes," Dr Roxburgh said.
"I suspect we are still not going to see that they are large in number."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-government-drug-approach-like-climate-change-denialism-says-doctor-20160104-glyyhp.html

What's your message Kiron?  The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs?

Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing)


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-laws-as-injuries-drop/6012042


Quote:

Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries. Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past. Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas. Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend. "[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

They are not anywhere near the same thing also they are wrong on the lockout laws.
The only reason Lockout laws "worked" is because they absolutely killed nightlife and caused all the clubs to shut down, people can't go out anymore, how is that good policy? Aren't you supposed to be small Government?

How are festival organizers supposed to fight dangerous drug use while testing stations and other proper first aid measures are banned? I've been to festivals where you have to go through full police checkpoints and still drugs flowed like candy inside. Prohibition doesn't work and can never work.

Another point I would make is that MDMA and other popular festival drugs for the most part are actually safe when used correctly and are far safer than alcohol, In my over a decade of going to raves and parties where MDMA is widely used, I've never seen an overdose caused by it and I've never seen a single fight due to the actual effects of MDMA (it increases empathy while alcohol increases aggression).

Also another point is that the media is generally full of poo and doesn't even know what it's talking about half the time, for example, one music festival I was at a girl died from OD'ing about... 20 meters from me in the next camp site, what happened is that she died of Alcohol and GHB poisoning, but what did the media report it as? MDMA.

The fact is, drug prohibition is a failure and doesn't even make any sense, most these drugs are only dangerous because of prohibition means you don't know what you're getting, also keeping everything underground creates connections between regular people and organized crime who will always try push more dangerous drugs on you, one day you might just be buying weed or MDMA, but next the dealer is pushing Speed on you then Ice. If you were able to buy safe drugs through safe official channels, this would never, ever be an issue and you would probably see use in other dangerous drugs fall since that connection would be severed.

One only needs to look at the Colorado and Washington to see what a booming success legalization has been.

Unfortunately, and for the most part, we are being governed by f--king idiots.  :'(

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:49pm:

which he likened to the "ideological equivalent to climate change denialism".

The doctor is a f--king idiot too for mentioning climate change denial, he should keep his religious views out of it.

I can see it now:-

Are you sick of the same old bland brand of rave drug?  Not getting the kick out of life that you used to?  Then try new, improved Bairdraver... the MDMA you HAVE when you're having MDMA!

Available at your nearest supermarket or pharmacy, right alongside Regularijuana and Green Machine Hash.. with the right prescription you can even get new improved Shareoin and California Poppy, and for those Long Slow Days.....try The Acid Test...

the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising.

give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

Thank God you’re back, Longy.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm: the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society. Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads.

and ALL  the Labor members have empty heads...

.. its all sex videos..between their ears...mistresses and porn..

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm: the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society. Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads.

but you think drugs are harmless and good so what's the problem, pony-tail?

Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego.

Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego. Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice.

we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs.

Swagman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What's your message Kiron?  The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs? Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-laws-as-injuries-drop/6012042 Quote: Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries. Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past. Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas. Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend. "[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

Don't you know by now? The idiotic left would rather we did nothing than try something to stop kids dying from drug overdoses.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 7:43pm: Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego. Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice. we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs.

Safety? I'm backed up by scientific data, many drugs are far, far safer alternatives to Alcohol, MDMA's "danger" can be counteracted with f**ing Gatorade for goodness sake. It's non-addictive, it's got largely no proven long term side effects, it's effects are uplifting empathy.
What's dangerous about Marijuana? Oh boy? People are going to inject 6 whole marijuanas and overdose in your opinion?

For Armchair's stupid comment. Australians are not even "overdosing" on MDMA or other pure party drugs, they are ODing on GHB an incredibly dangerous substance that causes alcohol poisoning if the person is drinking or cheap research chemicals from china like PMA being sold as MDMA.

Want to stop people from ODing? Actually legalize drugs based on harm risk assessment (many have already been scientifically done) and provide real drug safety courses throughout school. Hell I would argue there should be a drug an alcohol license you need to go get before you even are allowed to buy drugs and alcohol and you need to pass a test on first aid and drug safety.

Prohibition is the biggest failure there is, you can't stop people from doing drugs, especially when half these drugs are safer, non-addictive and have better effects than alcohol.

The only people who want to do NOTHING to stop kids from overdosing is the right, you idiots still want to keep drug testing stations illegal ffs.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:01pm: What's your message Kiron?  The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs? Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-laws-as-injuries-drop/6012042 Quote: Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries. Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past. Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas. Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend. "[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said. Don't you know by now? The idiotic left would rather we did nothing than try something to stop kids dying from drug overdoses.

Even for you, that's one helluva dumb comment.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 8:17am: Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 7:43pm: Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego. Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice. we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs. Safety? I'm backed up by scientific data, many drugs are far, far safer alternatives to Alcohol, MDMA's "danger" can be counteracted with f**ing Gatorade for goodness sake. It's non-addictive, it's got largely no proven long term side effects, it's effects are uplifting empathy. What's dangerous about Marijuana? Oh boy? People are going to inject 6 whole marijuanas and overdose in your opinion? For Armchair's stupid comment. Australians are not even "overdosing" on MDMA or other pure party drugs, they are ODing on GHB an incredibly dangerous substance that causes alcohol poisoning if the person is drinking or cheap research chemicals from china like PMA being sold as MDMA. Want to stop people from ODing? Actually legalize drugs based on harm risk assessment (many have already been scientifically done) and provide real drug safety courses throughout school. Hell I would argue there should be a drug an alcohol license you need to go get before you even are allowed to buy drugs and alcohol and you need to pass a test on first aid and drug safety. Prohibition is the biggest failure there is, you can't stop people from doing drugs, especially when half these drugs are safer, non-addictive and have better effects than alcohol. The only people who want to do NOTHING to stop kids from overdosing is the right, you idiots still want to keep drug testing stations illegal for goodness sake.

yeah like that's gonna work. get serious, ponytail. all you are doing is describing a walk on a path next to a cliff and saying which places you can put you feet real close to the edge without falling over when you should be teaching kids to not even be on the bloody path in the first place!

Why wouldn't it work? The point of the license is to get information about drug and alcohol and first aid out there and get a populace who have basic first aid training.

Also "Don't do drugs" has worked so well hasn't it, drug usage is trending upwards, there is a reason Alcohol prohibition lasted a decade before being dismantled.

Again, most drugs aren't even dangerous when used correctly and pure and most were banned largely based on the whims of politicians based on their own prejudices.

There is no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to do Marijuana, MDMA, LSD. We live in a country where two incredibly deadly and addictive substances are legal, tobacco and Alcohol, it's completely insane that safer alternatives are made illegal based on stupid prejudices of conservatives.

All the data agrees with me, a huge portion of drugs out there should be legal and are essentially not dangerous.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/files/1-medical-marijuana-images/ranking-20-drugs-and-alcohol-by-overall-harm.png

the moment you say LSD and MDMA are safer than tobacco and alcohol is the moment all credibility is lost.

licensing...  are you stupid or what?  people are actually going to go and get drug licenses??

get real.

Are you serious? Alcohol is a chemically addictive dangerous drug which kills thousands of people every year and causes mass aggression.

You have to be off your rocker to think Alcohol can't be dangerous, the only reason you think it is safe is because its normalized. Fun fact, people used to make MDMA drink cocktails and people have been taking psychedelics for thousands of years.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Are you serious? Alcohol is a chemically addictive dangerous drug which kills thousands of people every year and causes mass aggression. You have to be off your rocker to think Alcohol can't be dangerous, the only reason you think it is safe is because its normalized. Fun fact, people used to make MDMA drink cocktails and people have been taking psychedelics for thousands of years.

your comprehension is as bad as your political ideology.  I didnt say alcohol was safe. i said it is SAFER... SAFER than MDMA and LSD - a rather obvious proposition.

but let me guess... you take these drugs and are seeking for YOUR idiocy to be normalised. right?

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol?  only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

>Highly addictive

Oh right, you're a troll. 0/10.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:45pm: Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study. sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol?  only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that. BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol. Just say no.

LSD is not addictive.

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:09pm:

Why wouldn't it work? The point of the license is to get information about drug and alcohol and first aid out there and get a populace who have basic first aid training. Also "Don't do drugs" has worked so well hasn't it, drug usage is trending upwards, there is a reason Alcohol prohibition lasted a decade before being dismantled. Again, most drugs aren't even dangerous when used correctly and pure and most were banned largely based on the whims of politicians based on their own prejudices. There is no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to do Marijuana, MDMA, LSD. We live in a country where two incredibly deadly and addictive substances are legal, tobacco and Alcohol, it's completely insane that safer alternatives are made illegal based on stupid prejudices of conservatives. All the data agrees with me, a huge portion of drugs out there should be legal and are essentially not dangerous. http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/files/1-medical-marijuana-images/ranking-20-drugs-and-alcohol-by-overall-harm.png

I agree with the essence of your posting.

decriminalisation of ALL drugs is my preferred option.
What we are doing now is failing badly

Mine is that drugs should be legalized based on harm mean score, things that are highly addictive and with dangerous health and social costs should stay illegal.

All drugs should be decriminalized for low amount of possession, drugs are a health issue, they shouldn't be a legal one, people shouldn't be afraid to seek help.

One of the main reasons I think MDMA should be legal is that its safe when pure and sourced from decent sources and done in correct dosages, by being able to buy MDMA from a chemist, you suddenly break the link people have with illegal drug dealers and thus have less of a chance of being pushed on hard drugs.

Sadly Australia will be one of the last places in the western world that will have serious drug reform I think.

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:18am: Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:45pm: Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study. sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol?  only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that. BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol. Just say no. LSD is not addictive.

another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:44am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:18am: Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:45pm: Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study. sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol?  only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that. BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol. Just say no. LSD is not addictive. another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, commonly known as LSD, is taken by mouth. It has a slightly bitter taste, and is available in tablets, capsules or as a liquid. Acid is commonly sold on a piece of blotter paper, and the user simply chews or swallows it to ingest the drug - without having to buy or conceal any paraphernalia to do so.
LSD has zero physical addiction potential. It is not physically addictive and it is not a drug that you will want to immediately do again. This is not the type of drug where a user experiences withdrawal if another dose isn't ingested within a relatively short period of time.
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/lsd/addiction.htm

So whenever you're ready to apologise Longy, you can leave it here or in the thread where you said unlawful and illegal are 100% synonymous.

Swagman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What's your message Kiron?  The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs? Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-laws-as-injuries-drop/6012042 Quote: Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries. Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past. Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas. Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend. "[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

So you think boxing should be banned?  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

They are not anywhere near the same thing also they are wrong on the lockout laws. The only reason Lockout laws "worked" is because they absolutely killed nightlife and caused all the clubs to shut down, people can't go out anymore, how is that good policy? Aren't you supposed to be small Government? How are festival organizers supposed to fight dangerous drug use while testing stations and other proper first aid measures are banned? I've been to festivals where you have to go through full police checkpoints and still drugs flowed like candy inside. Prohibition doesn't work and can never work. Another point I would make is that MDMA and other popular festival drugs for the most part are actually safe when used correctly and are far safer than alcohol, In my over a decade of going to raves and parties where MDMA is widely used, I've never seen an overdose caused by it and I've never seen a single fight due to the actual effects of MDMA (it increases empathy while alcohol increases aggression). Also another point is that the media is generally full of poo and doesn't even know what it's talking about half the time, for example, one music festival I was at a girl died from OD'ing about... 20 meters from me in the next camp site, what happened is that she died of Alcohol and GHB poisoning, but what did the media report it as? MDMA. The fact is, drug prohibition is a failure and doesn't even make any sense, most these drugs are only dangerous because of prohibition means you don't know what you're getting, also keeping everything underground creates connections between regular people and organized crime who will always try push more dangerous drugs on you, one day you might just be buying weed or MDMA, but next the dealer is pushing Speed on you then Ice. If you were able to buy safe drugs through safe official channels, this would never, ever be an issue and you would probably see use in other dangerous drugs fall since that connection would be severed. One only needs to look at the Colorado and Washington to see what a booming success legalization has been.

swaggy is a fascist: he aint small government and never was  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

Unfortunately, and for the most part, we are being governed by f--king idiots.  :'(

The arrogant get ruled by the arrogant: you should read more before biting off mommys tit  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

I can see it now:- Are you sick of the same old bland brand of rave drug?  Not getting the kick out of life that you used to?  Then try new, improved Bairdraver... the MDMA you HAVE when you're having MDMA! Available at your nearest supermarket or pharmacy, right alongside Regularijuana and Green Machine Hash.. with the right prescription you can even get new improved Shareoin and California Poppy, and for those Long Slow Days.....try The Acid Test...

please never say the word SHARON in any variation ever again: thankyou,... now i need to throw up : "...it's all coming back bugger********************************************  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ...."  :-[

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm: the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society. Thank God you’re back, Longy.

the internet is healed: yay  ::) ::) ::) ::)

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm: the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society. Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads. and ALL  the Labor members have empty heads... .. its all sex videos..between their ears...mistresses and porn..

never met a cheating liberal voter  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:16pm: the communist ponytail supporting drugs.  how unsurprising. give it up kiron.  you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society. Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads. but you think drugs are harmless and good so what's the problem, pony-tail?

lol, longy still thinks liberal voting mummys and daddys don't use their sons and daughters drug money to pay off the spare rental  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just check out Julie Bishops electorate: case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 7:43pm: Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego. Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice. we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs.

libs love selling drugs: and getting raided and stuff too yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:01pm: What's your message Kiron?  The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs? Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-laws-as-injuries-drop/6012042 Quote: Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries. Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past. Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas. Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend. "[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said. Don't you know by now? The idiotic left would rather we did nothing than try something to stop kids dying from drug overdoses.

armchair thinks libs don't sell drugs to pay off daddys assets  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

....is he for super cereal????????????????????????????????????????????  :o

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:44am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:18am: Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:45pm: Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study. sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol?  only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that. BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol. Just say no. LSD is not addictive. another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

yeh, because longy has the stats to prove it  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

So whenever you're ready to apologise Longy, you can leave it here or in the thread where you said unlawful and illegal are 100% synonymous.

longy aint apoligising for copper internet so why would you think IT is apologising for losing another internet showdown  ::) ::)

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

LSD is not addictive.

No, once you've had it you will never want it again  ;D






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innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:44am: LSD is not addictive. No, once you've had it you will never want it again  ;D http://www.mushroom-magazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1621963_10203329295735576_1235997619_n.jpg

I think you just repeated the obvious  ::) ::)

May aswell smoke liberal daddy through a crackpipe for a boring spare rental wink wink wink wink wink!

Once again: check out Julie Bishops electorate for further details  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:59pm: mothra wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:44am: LSD is not addictive. No, once you've had it you will never want it again  ;D http://www.mushroom-magazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1621963_10203329295735576_1235997619_n.jpg I think you just repeated the obvious  ::) ::) May aswell smoke liberal daddy through a crackpipe for a boring spare rental wink wink wink wink wink! Once again: check out Julie Bishops electorate for further details  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're a walking talking advert on the dangers of drugs, kiddies take note, do you really want to end up like this?

You don't want to reuse LSD because it's an incredibly mentally exhausting drug to use, Psychedelics like LSD are generally 4-5 hours of fun and often 5 hours of "What the bugger am I doing with my life?" They are very introspective and LSD especially can get pretty mind tricky after the half-way point in the trip, not hallucination wise (that only lasts for the first few hours), but analytical wise, you start over-analyzing everything.

Also Psychedelics have something called "Tolerance" which means the more you use it, the less it's effects become dramatically, take LSD one day, you will only get half the effect if you take it the day after, if you take it the day after that, there will be little effect at all. Psychedelics need a "cooldown" time and this can last upto a month, this is why they have little chance of being abused.