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Title: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

This Thread was commenced elsewhere and moved here by freeddiver.

Quote:

Moved: 'The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic'
This Topic has been moved to Relationships by freediver

Mod.

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:00pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde

....even to the extent of actually removing Threads in which criticism of Israel is posted.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by aquascoot on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:28pm

Israel is a good case study for everything that is right about rightard values and everything that is wrong about leftard values.

the jews are true alpha males (and females) lets not forget that courage is expected in both sexes in this successful state.

israel is a triumph of my number 1 axiom

"all the good that you create will be attacked"

Unless
You
Defend
It.

the palestinians exhibit classic chode mentality.

beaten down and overly emotional. Overly emotional to the point that they cant even stop themselves throwing rocks at well armed israelis.
they have poor impulse control
they have no real direction.
they are completely stuck in "surviving , not thriving mode"

this is where many leftards also find themselves.
just surviving, beaten down, complaining a lot, poor emotional control and no resilience.

It is little wonder the left associate with the palestinian cause. (whatever that is, i dont think the palestinians know).

If you meet someone, asking for their position on this one question will enable you to screen them for whether you should admit them to your social circle.

Do you support israel or the palestinians.

Anyone who sides with palestine has a negative neurosis and this is as contagoius as ebola.
Do not engage with them and do not let their toxic attitude enter your mind and disturb your mental balance. Recognise that they are operating from a place of low consciousness

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:33pm

FerChristSake who pressed his button.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde

....even to the extent of actually removing Threads in which criticism of Israel is posted.

Removing the evidence as well by the look of it ...

Topic Moved to Extremism Exposed by Andrei.Hicks 2:41am was showing up this morning now has disappeared.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by the good ole boys on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:53pm

You've mistaken me for someone else, Sun. I'm not a fan of Judaism in the same way that I'm not a fan of Islam. I just find it interesting that the Islamic apologists are defending hate speech that would be an automatic ban if it were directed towards Muslims (or Aborigines). The whole episode just goes to show that there is a different perception of what's acceptable in the minds of our soft headed comrades on the left of the political spectrum. (Isn't that right Aussie, you great big gob s.h.i.t.e?)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

Jan 4th, 2016
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1451875908/0#0
Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449980422/67#67
Dec 14th, 2015
Yadda is a paid propagator of Muslim hate rants.

[ <------- I'm not even a moslem !!!!!!!! ;D ]

Jun 11th, 2015
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1433968198/7#7
More hate from Yadda who gets paid by Mossad for his profession as a hate propagator.

Jun 11th, 2015
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1433968198/19#19
Yadda is a paid agent of Mossad and a hasbara shill who posts rabid hate from scripts she is given.

Aug 11th, 2014
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1407717419/0#0
Yadda appears to be the mother of the Hasbara troop on Ozpolitic.

Aug 11th, 2014
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1407717419/2#2
Yadda is the mother hen of the Hasbara platoon on Ozpolitic.

.

Hasbara ???

A Guide To HASBARA TROLLS | Pragmatic Witness
https://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls/
Hasbara is an Hebrew word defined as explanation. The purpose of Hasbara is to explain and educate western people about the Israeli mission. Hasbara can ...

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:09pm

aquascoot,

Can you please contact my Mossad handler, and tell her that i didn't get my last months deposit, into my account.

And please tell her that if this isn't fixed, i'm definitely going on strike from next Sabbath.

Yadda - mother of the Hasbara troop on Ozpolitic.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:20pm

aquascoot,

post #2

Excellent post.

It made perfect sense to me.

Quote:

If you meet someone, asking for their position on this one question will enable you to screen them for whether you should admit them to your social circle.

Do you support israel or the palestinians.

Anyone who sides with palestine has a negative neurosis....

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Maqqa on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:29pm

WTF am I on that list? :-/ :-/ :-/

I am anti-everything 8-) 8-)

Even the loving Buddha calls me a racist >:( >:(

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 2:59pm

I think you were spotted wearing a doily for a hat by Aussie!

;)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by innocentbystander. on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

I don't have a bad word to say about Palestinians, even if they are a pack of low life brain dead vermin and scum.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by cods on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:21pm

I am always amazed how many know so much about two warring states...

when they have never lived there... almost probably do not know a member of either tribe...have never lived under anything like the conditions they know so much about......

and last but not least.

always always

having the answer to end the conflict..

lets face it.... I would sell the answer if I had it..

wouldnt you? :D :D :D

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

cods wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

The answer is easy. Israel moves out of the occupied territories and removes the blockade of Gaza.

or

One state solution is adopted whereby all Palestinians are absorbed into Israel and refugees have a right of return.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde

Umm excuse me, 2 questions :

1. Why am I not on that list?

2. What is a Hasbara? It sounds like a foreign vegetable.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde
Lisa Jones

Umm excuse me, 2 questions :

1. Why am I not on that list?

2. What is a Hasbara? It sounds like a foreign vegetable.

I wasn't aware that Bondi Cigar retailers were considered Hasbara. My apologies for excluding Lisa Jones.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:50pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde
Lisa Jones

Umm excuse me, 2 questions :

1. Why am I not on that list?

2. What is a Hasbara? It sounds like a foreign vegetable.

I wasn't aware that Bondi Cigar retailers were considered Hasbara. My apologies for excluding Lisa Jones.

Oi! I'm not a Bondi cigar retailer ok?

I'm just a housewife and mummy.

Now how does one cook this Hasbara vegetable?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Maqqa on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:54pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Oi! I'm not a Bondi cigar retailer ok?

I'm just a housewife and mummy.

Now how does one cook this Hasbara vegetable?

I wouldn't eat the hasbara

They've been pleasuring themselves with it all day

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde
Lisa Jones

Umm excuse me, 2 questions :

1. Why am I not on that list?

2. What is a Hasbara? It sounds like a foreign vegetable.

I wasn't aware that Bondi Cigar retailers were considered Hasbara. My apologies for excluding Lisa Jones.

Oi! I'm not a Bondi cigar retailer ok?

I'm just a housewife and mummy.

Now how does one cook this Hasbara vegetable?

Are you a Bondi Cigar producer or (w)holesaler?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:31pm

Take great care of egg shells there Mr Tzu. People have been banned for referring to Lisa Jones as a 'ditz.'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

Your Hasbara team:

Yadda
Freediver
Andrei Hicks
Gizmo
Maqqa
Doubleplusgood
innocentbystander
sprintcyclist
Bogarde
Lisa Jones

Umm excuse me, 2 questions :

1. Why am I not on that list?

2. What is a Hasbara? It sounds like a foreign vegetable.

I wasn't aware that Bondi Cigar retailers were considered Hasbara. My apologies for excluding Lisa Jones.

Oi! I'm not a Bondi cigar retailer ok?

I'm just a housewife and mummy.

Now how does one cook this Hasbara vegetable?

Are you a Bondi Cigar producer or (w)holesaler?

No.

Title: Re - The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpol
Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 5:48pm

Moved where?

~~Are you being tricky[s] Freediver~~ Lisa?[/s]

Oops sorry Freediver, I do get it!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:17pm

Dear Lisa,
a Hasbara is a Jew lover & a bondi cigar is a turd floating around at Bondi beach.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dear Lisa,
a Hasbara is a Jew lover & a bondi cigar is a turd floating around at Bondi beach.

Oh.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Mod. on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

I see you are here Mr Hicks. Why did you interfere with my Thread which was critical of you deleting criticism of Israel and your ban of Redneck?

Why are you imposing your political opinions on us like that.....i.e. using moderation powers of censorship?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Saul Goodman on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dear Lisa,
a Hasbara is a Jew lover & a bondi cigar is a turd floating around at Bondi beach.

Oh.

Oh dear

That is not nice!

;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dear Lisa,
a Hasbara is a Jew lover & a bondi cigar is a turd floating around at Bondi beach.

Oh.

Oh dear

That is not nice!

;D ;D ;D ;D

Not very nice at all. :)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:50pm

6 million Jews died at the same time as 20 million Russians, but the Jews are the only victims discussed.

Why is that?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:57pm

random wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

6 million Jews died at the same time as 20 million Russians, but the Jews are the only victims discussed.

Why is that?

Because the Russians have ....... Russia. The religious group ..... Jews.... wanted their 'promised land.'

And in all of our wisdom, we gave them a piece of dirt surrounded by what Hicks will tell you are 'barbarians.' They should be living happily ever after in Tasmania.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm

Members of my family are and have been in the Israeli Defence Forces.
My family have fought for Israel in both the Six Day War and Yom Kippur War.

If being on a little list on an Internet site is the cost of holding my opinion on the subject, I believe I will sleep at night.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

I'm quite sure you will, just like you will sleep well knowing you can and do silence/obliterate criticism of Israel, and then ban the person who graphically made the criticism.

You are biased Hicks....not only on that issue, but also on such a simple matter like the banal reference to your lunch date as a 'ditz.'

"Sleep well."

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

Why aren't you back there defending Israeli citizens Andrie?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:43pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

If you love Israel, why did you leave?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:55pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

If you love Israel, why did you leave?

I didn't leave. I've never lived there.
My family there are uncles, aunts and cousins who went under the ancestral right of return program, Aaliyah

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

I recommend they exercise the right. Go with them, they are under threat apparently.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

If you love Israel, why did you leave?

I didn't leave. I've never lived there.
My family there are uncles, aunts and cousins who went under the ancestral right of return program, Aaliyah

Why aren't you there with them....under the same right Hicks? Put your balls where your mouth is?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:35pm

random wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

I recommend they exercise the right. Go with them, they are under threat apparently.

I am not sure I understand your point.

They are in Israel as a result of moving there under the right of return.
I have not done so, neither have my parents before me.

So I don't get your issue?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:17am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Hey Andrei lol....I'm on the same little list.

Sun Tzu's little list as it so happens.

He's an "interesting" self confessed multi banned character :P

Sleep tight and sweet dreams :)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by mothra on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:20am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Hey Andrei lol....I'm on the same little list.

Sun Tzu's little list as it so happens.

He's an "interesting" self confessed multi banned character :P

Sleep tight and sweet dreams :)

You're only on the list because you asked to be put on the list.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:21am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

If you love Israel, why did you leave?

I didn't leave. I've never lived there.
My family there are uncles, aunts and cousins who went under the ancestral right of return program, Aaliyah

Ah. Some of my husband's family went through that program.

The rest settled in the UK and Australia.

Anyway...night and sweet dreams ;)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:24am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Hey Andrei lol....I'm on the same little list.

Sun Tzu's little list as it so happens.

He's an "interesting" self confessed multi banned character :P

Sleep tight and sweet dreams :)

You're only on the list because you asked to be put on the list.

I'm on the list because I'm qualified to be on the list and I was needlessly & unjustly initially excluded.

Jealous much?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by mothra on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:24am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

Hey Andrei lol....I'm on the same little list.

Sun Tzu's little list as it so happens.

He's an "interesting" self confessed multi banned character :P

Sleep tight and sweet dreams :)

You're only on the list because you asked to be put on the list.

I'm on the list because I'm qualified to be on the list and I was needlessly & unjustly initially excluded.

Jealous much?

Why would i want to be on that list?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Agnes on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:44am

good question.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by mothra on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:06am

Agnes wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:44am:

good question.

No answer though. Disappointed much.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Agnes on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:08am

She doesnt even know why she wants to be on the list lol.. lights on but nobody home :D

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:14am

I've seen some bizarre convos in my time but this one this afternoon is up there.

The "Hasbara" slur is always ridiculous. Always has been.

Sure there is a team in Israel that promotes the country and the idea of a safe homeland for a people persecuted for centuries and of their right of return to ancestral homeland.

However it's also used too often by the misinformed to anyone who defends the country and ideology that the state of Israel represents.

Often a nasty undercurrent of anti Semitism is prevalent - as I see with The Australian Greens.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

If you love Israel, why did you leave?

I didn't leave. I've never lived there.
My family there are uncles, aunts and cousins who went under the ancestral right of return program, Aaliyah

Ah. Some of my husband's family went through that program.

The rest settled in the UK and Australia.

Anyway...night and sweet dreams ;)

Up!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

Yep. 100% correct!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:03am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

random wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

I recommend they exercise the right. Go with them, they are under threat apparently.

I am not sure I understand your point.

They are in Israel as a result of moving there under the right of return.
I have not done so, neither have my parents before me.

So I don't get your issue?

I wrongly assumed they were all here. But my point essentially is about remote Nationalism. Objections to human rights violations, imperialism, military aggression etc I'm ok with anyone anywhere having an opinion on those. They are principles.

Some line is cross when the objection is Nationalistic, such as we see about Israel, or Lebanon or any other nation, by people who are removed descendants. When that happens there will always be the retort from people like me for them to go back there and help.

Nationalism is evil. Nationalism justifies crimes that are otherwise seen to be illegal, like those recently perpetrated by George Bush and his co-conspirators. Crimes like dropping white phosphorous on Gaza after herding the locals into that concentration camp. But through the lens of Nationalism they are somehow excusable, to Nationalists.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:14am

You understand the sensitivities of using the term concentration camp I take it?

By the way nobody is herded anywhere in Gaza. There is not one IDF soldier in Gaza. It is completely and totally controlled by the Palestinian authorities.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:39am

random wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:03am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

random wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

I recommend they exercise the right. Go with them, they are under threat apparently.

I am not sure I understand your point.

They are in Israel as a result of moving there under the right of return.
I have not done so, neither have my parents before me.

So I don't get your issue?

nationalism definition.

The strong belief that the interests of a particular nation-state are of primary importance. Also, the belief that a people who share a common language, history, and culture should constitute an independent nation, free of foreign domination.

Nationalism is evil eh?

NO! WHAT IS EVIL IS YOUR TAKE ON BLURRING THE LINES BTWN NATIONALISM AND EXTREME NATIONALISM.

When multi nics like you pop up online to spread your misinformation, believe you me....you will be called on the rubbish you post.

Outta here. You disgust me!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:45am

Help me out then.

What's the difference between Nationalism and extreme Nationalism?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:52am

I'm not sure it's nationalism.
I'm not an Israeli citizen or national.
I'm a citizen of the United Kingdom and Australia.

I would however defend the state of Israel without question if called upon because of what it stands for and what people I would be defending.
Which kind of shoots the nationalism argument in the foot.
It's about a people and an ideology. A Jewish state in the ancestral holy land.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:52am

random wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Help me out then.

What's the difference between Nationalism and extreme Nationalism?

The help you require is of a psychological nature.

And I've already indicated what nationalism is.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

And dangerous multi nics such as RANDOM.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:03am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

random wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Help me out then.

What's the difference between Nationalism and extreme Nationalism?

The help you require is of a psychological nature.

And I've already indicated what nationalism is.

Your posts are not coherent. First you accuse me of blurring a line but you cannot define that line. ::)

You operate on emotion, not logic. NTTAWWT as long as you recognise it and don't attempt rational conversation..

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 8:11am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:52am:

Yes I can see the subtlety. But it now claims to be a nation state containing people who are not Jewish and not necessarily religious.

Someone should have pulled out the ancestral home thing for the North American Indians or the Australian Aboriginals. Sounds like a useful approach. Perhaps the Kurds and the Palestinians would be interested.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 11:10pm

random,

You'll criticise and condemn Israel and the Jewish people, .....for lawfully RE-establishing their own nation, ......within their own ancestral homeland, ......at the behest of the United Nations, in the period immediately following WWII.

But you willingly defend a group of people who [as 'an article of faith', of their religion] want to murder EVERY Jew, and destroy Israel.

Google;
will not come, until you fight jews

Google;
there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him

You willingly defend the [murderous] 'hopes' of a people who support a philosophy like this...

-------------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

.

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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IMAGE....

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:04am

Wow, it must take some effort to format those scattered emails. Although I have heard that there are generators out there for sock personalities that do this well.

Apparently some of these generators have been developed by the Israelis, smart people.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:32am

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:04am:

^^^^^^ Passive-aggressive racism at its best.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:34am

So how's that definition of the difference between Nationalism and Extreme Nationalism going Lisa?

Still waiting ...

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:35am

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:34am:

So how's that definition of the difference between Nationalism and Extreme Nationalism going?

Still waiting ...

^^^^denial/deflection at its best.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:36am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:04am:

^^^^^^ Passive-aggressive racism at its best.

Up!

Title: !
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:38am

Lisa sed;

"Nationalism is evil eh?

NO! WHAT IS EVIL IS YOUR TAKE ON BLURRING THE LINES BTWN NATIONALISM AND EXTREME NATIONALISM."

I'm trying to stay on topic, you are the deflector clearly.

Answer the question, define the line!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:29am

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:04am:

The one thing you got right in that is that Israelis are smart people.

And Palestinians?!

Have produced absolutely and precisely f--k all...

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am

Why do you hate Palestinians?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 12:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:04am:

Wow.....the Israelis, [are] smart people.

The one thing you got right in that is that Israelis are smart people.

And Palestinians?!

Have produced absolutely and precisely f--k all...

.

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Why do you hate Palestinians?

random,

Palestinians?

[describing wicked people.....]
Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

random,

Moslems are such intelligent, clever people [NOT!]. LOL

e.g.
Moslems in Gaza, chose, to send rockets laden with high explosives into Israeli civilian areas,       .....to bombard Israeli civilians with rockets laden with high explosives

"Coz, that's how we will defeat the Zionists, with Terror!

Allah Akbar!!! Allah Akbar!!!"

Yes.

IMAGE.....

Gaza devastation.

Yeah, those wicked, wicked Jews!    :o

random,

The Israelis do not like their civilians being bombarded with rockets laden with high explosives.

The Israelis do not like their civilians being murdered by moslems.

But moslems do [like to try to murder Israelis],       .....coz moslems are so, so clever!       LOL

IMAGE....

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IMAGE....

IMAGE....

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Isaiah 17:14
And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

That's really interesting Yadda. You seem to have all the info.

You got any figures on the toll each side? You know ... how many Israelis have been killed in their homes Vs Palestinians killed in theirs?

While you are helping out with those numbers, the number of Israelis that have had their houses demolished for defending themselves, would also be informative.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 1:27pm

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

That's really interesting Yadda. You seem to have all the info.

You got any figures on the toll each side? You know ... how many Israelis have been killed in their homes Vs Palestinians killed in theirs?

While you are helping out with those numbers, the number of Israelis that have had their houses demolished for defending themselves, would also be informative.

random,

I suggest, that you direct those Q's to this guy.....

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Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

The guy in the YT is this 'Aussie' moslem -------------- >

IMAGE.....

Islamic politician Sheik Ismail Alwahwah, the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia.

Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

.....Any Jew living in PALESTINE is an illegitimate occupier.

He is a target of Jihad, and will end up in the garbage bin of history.

This [is] for all the Jews in PALESTINE.

It makes no difference whether a Jew is pro-peace or pro-war."

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

'The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic'

Hanna [my Mossad handler],

Can i please receive a small bonus at the end of this month ?

I have put in a good effort this month.

:)

p.s.
give my regards to Yossi

Proverbs 11:18, 19

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

While you are talking to your handler, tell them to start looking for another country if they are not already. Read some history about why the Jewish peoples were scattered across the globe in the first place. I think it will happen again.

I'm really glad that my country is not surrounded by people so dedicated as the Palestinians to overthrow them. So glad they are not my enemies.

Like all medieval castles, it was always only a matter of how long it took for them to fall. To make it worse the Israelis keep stoking the fire, giving them more reasons to hate Israel. An unsustainable situation.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Why do you hate Palestinians?

I don't hate any group of people.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Why do you hate Palestinians?

I don't hate any group of people.

Of course not......they're just barbarians you don't hate.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

They were doing pretty well until the Israelis arrived. smacking hard to accomplish much when they are in a concentration camp. The Israelis know a thing or two about camps, but they are practicing on the wrong people. It was the Germans.

Instead of gas they have been throwing in white phosphorous.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

Your choice of description is very offensive. Nonetheless they are not in a camp so you say.
There is a crossing in Gaza called the Kerem Shalom crossing that is open and many goods and supply's pass through.
Israel is totally within its right to stop that crossing.

Israel fully pulled out of Gaza. It does not have one foot on the ground in that area.
What did the Palestinians do to thank them?
Put in place a banned terrorist group to lead them who fire into Israel 6,500 missiles in 2 months...

Is it any wonder Egypt keeps the Rafah crossing locked and refers to Hamas as a "pack of desert dogs"?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:49pm

(Jerusalem) - Israel's repeated firing of white phosphorus shells over densely populated areas of Gaza during its recent military campaign was indiscriminate and is evidence of war crimes, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:36pm

And that report was put to the United Nations and thrown out at Security Council level.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

And that report was put to the United Nations and thrown out at Security Council level.

Let me guess....by USA veto, as is always the case?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

And that report was put to the United Nations and thrown out at Security Council level.

So this didn't happen?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

You do realise they put a terrorist group in charge that fire thousands of missiles into Israel indiscriminately?
Israel targets groups and individuals .

These barbarians fire unguided missiles from civilian areas after hiding them in schools!!!

So yes I do support the Israeli response to protect our people.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

But unguided white phosphorous? Which side are the barbarians? Did those in the picture fire the rockets?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:57pm

This Assembly holds Israel responsible for violations of International Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and for Israel to be held accountable for Human Rights abuses

VOTING

YES 41
Albania, Argentina, Algeria, Austria, Bangladesh, Botswana, Brazil, China, Congo, Cote D'Ivoire, El Salvador, Cuba, Estonia, France, Gabon, Ghana, Indonesia, Ireland, Kazakhstan, Japan, Kenya, Latvia, Mexico, Maldives, Montenegro, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Portugal, Qatar, Korea, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, South Africa, UAE, United Kingdom, Venezuela, Vietnam

ABSTAIN 5
Australia, Ethiopia, Germany, India, Paraguay

NO 1
United States of America (VETO POSTED)

RESOLUTION RESULT - FAIL

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

random wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Why do you hate Palestinians?

I don't hate any group of people.

Andrei.Hicks,

A few points.....

1/ Don't let 'random' [or anyone else] define [and therefore control and direct] the points of the argument.

2/ They are not 'Palestinians'. [...they are moslems, doing Jihad operations, against the Jewish people, ....doing Jihad operations, over a previously conquered [by ISLAM] piece of 'real-estate']

There has never been a 'Palestinian state', nor have there ever been a 'Palestinian people' [as are being defined by the present 'Palestinians' and their apologists].

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449437375/120#120

The 'Palestinians' are not seeking a homeland.

The 'Palestinians' are seeking to destroy the homeland of the Jewish people.

The 'Palestinians' are mostly EX-Jordanians ['West Bank'!!]

IMAGE....

It is not about seeking a state for those 'poor stateless Palestinians',

.....it is about, and has always been about destroying the 'infidel' state of Israel, .....because the state of Israel is established on land that was previously conquered by ISLAM.

Too bad, moslems.

You can't have it back.

:)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

I don't hate any group of people.

Andrei.Hicks,

Some things, and some people are worth hating.

And i'm sorry, that you can't see that.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:...

Psalms 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

Andrei.Hicks,

Do you believe that it is wrong, to hate what the God of Israel hates ?

Or, for you, does the God of Israel simply, not exist ?

Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59pm

As I said - the issue was debated and failed.

Worth noting that at the United Nations, Germany will often not vote against Israel.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sir Bobby on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

This Assembly holds Israel responsible for violations of International Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and for Israel to be held accountable for Human Rights abuses"

VOTING

YES 41
Albania, Argentina, Algeria, Austria, Bangladesh, Botswana, Brazil, China, Congo, Cote D'Ivoire, El Salvador, Cuba, Estonia, France, Gabon, Ghana, Indonesia, Ireland, Kazakhstan, Japan, Kenya, Latvia, Mexico, Maldives, Montenegro, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Portugal, Qatar, Korea, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, South Africa, UAE, United Kingdom, Venezuela, Vietnam

ABSTAIN 5
Australia, Ethiopia, Germany, India, Paraguay

NO 1
United States of America (VETO POSTED)

RESOLUTION RESULT - FAIL

And yet the Yanks talk so much about democracy - what a joke they are.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:18am

I still want to know what is the psychology behind the formatting Yadda has selected from the persona pick list. There is software to manage and format on-line personas.

US spy operation that manipulates social media

"Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda "

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

What is the intent to post that way? If not formatted automatically it takes effort. If it take effort then there is a reason. I want to know what it is.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lord Herbert on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:32am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

Post of the Day!

A lot of wise insights and accurate comments there, Aqua. :)

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:38am

random wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:18am:

I'm not sure that s the biggest issue.
Certainly doesn't keep me wondering.
Everyone has a posting style.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 7:24am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2016 at 1:28pm:

Post of the Day!

A lot of wise insights and accurate comments there, Aqua. :)

So he is saying that traditional Aussie support for the underdog is ... support for Palestine?

That therefore Australians;
[list bull-redball]

have poor impulse control

have no real direction.

are completely stuck in "surviving , not thriving mode"

You saying that about Australians supporting the battler?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 7:38am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

As I said - the issue was debated and failed.

Worth noting that at the United Nations, Germany will often not vote against Israel.

OK so I guess it didn't happen then.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

Random, if you want this Thread moved to another Member Run Board, I (I am Mod.) can do that for you. Happy to oblige. All you have to do is tell me which Board, and I'll send it there.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:54pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

What exactly are 6,500 unguided missiles fired at towns doing?

What is hiding missiles and grenades inside of UN schools doing?

Dragging guys on motorbikes through the streets until they die in front of kids?

Yeah we are dealing with some real heroes aren't we?

Barbarians.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

How about you get the phark out of Arabia where you obviously are not wanted by the vast majority of people on that region? Ask Turnbull. He'll give you Tasmania, and the entire Planet will breath a sigh of relief. No Arab grenades or whatever will hit you there. You'll save a fortune on weapons of war....no homes will be destroyed, and all the kids will thrive, as will Tasmania and Australia. How about that Hicks? Do you want peace or a pharking on going War which threatens all of us?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:12pm

Hey Andrei,
De-humanising the enemy is par for the course. You use the term 'barbarians', that's de-humanising. Means that killing them is OK,

Unfortunately they are humans.

What would you do as a 16 yrs old male Palestinian? Grown up with violence, members of your family and friends killed, as you enter that hormone driven crazy period of you life? You would want revenge on those seen to be killing your fellows.

That's how it is. Works the same way on both sides. No compassion, no empathy, no humanity as it has been removed, de-humanised and you are spreading that here.

Only what is your excuse for being that way? Did you grow up in the ME? Or was it just your parents hate you have inherited?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Secret Wars on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:16pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

Sounds like a plan, pitch it to Clive, a platform for the next election of giving Tasmania to the Jews.

Nice one Aussie.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:28pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

Sounds like a plan, pitch it to Clive, a platform for the next election of giving Tasmania to the Jews.

Nice one Aussie.

Well....they won't be given Tasmania. What they will be given will be permanent residency in Australia on the most basic condition that they get the phark out of Arabia where no-one wants them. I'm happy that they come here, so why would there be resistance to such a simple idea? They go to Tasmania...buy whatever they can which, given what they spend on their military ought be the entire Island and they'd still have plenty left over. Where's the problem? Win/win, wot?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Secret Wars on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:33pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

I forgot to add. Takes some real alpha males and females to bomb unarmed civilians. But I guess everyone knows that.

Sounds like a plan, pitch it to Clive, a platform for the next election of giving Tasmania to the Jews.

Nice one Aussie.

No problems with me, pitch it to Clive, your solution to peace in the Middle East. He may even go for it.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Random, if you want this Thread moved to another Member Run Board, I (I am Mod.) can do that for you. Happy to oblige. All you have to do is tell me which Board, and I'll send it there.

Thanks for the offer but I do not know my way around here yet, so pass for now.

I made a comment in 'make the islam board sink' about this appearing a dumping ground. After that I checked and could not find a definition for the content 'Relationships' is intended to cover so maybe it's me misinterpreting the intent.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Random, if you want this Thread moved to another Member Run Board, I (I am Mod.) can do that for you. Happy to oblige. All you have to do is tell me which Board, and I'll send it there.

No worries. Up to you. I can send it straight back there if you like.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:47pm

Since when did I see them as my enemy?
I'm giving you my view of the situation from an unbiased objective view from outside.

I think Israel's continued defence of its people and its territory from attack is justified and its responses are measured.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Okay. Fair enough. They are just 'barbarians.'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:57pm

They are led by a group designated as terrorists.
They fire missiles into Israel.
They are referred to by Egypts leader as a "pack of untrustworthy desert dogs".
They fire from the tops of apartment blocks then complain when the F-16 response endangers civilians.

They are frankly barbarians.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

It is not necessary to agree to empathise. You show no empathy. I do not side with either group, just object to asymmetric warfare and the use of military weapons on civilians.

If the Palestinians had F16's, smart bombs and white phosphorous I'm sure they would use them effectively as the Israelis. Would that be ok then?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Who exactly are 'they?' Who are these barbarians? Do they not have homes, wives, children or are they mindless morons and have no reason/justification whatsoever to do whatever it is they do for whatever reason? Why does "Israel" have to pretend it belongs in a place where it is surrounded by people who want 'them' out of there. They just are not welcome, like a square peg trying to get into a round hole.

Take Tasmania! Or explain why not.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

What is a terrorist? You mean like Timorese fighting Indonesians? Like Americans in the War of Independance? Like the French Resistance?

And Barbarian is a relative term. If I had my mothers home demolished because my brother threw stones at a soldier, I might have a different view on that.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

I too object to the use of weapons on civilians.

Hence why I feel good about my cousins telling me of the cosistent training to avoid civilian casualties, of my own uncles and father telling me of the instruction during Yom Kippur War and Six Day War to engage only with military personnel.

That engagement and firing onto threats can only be made specifically with the approval from command centre in Tel Aviv.

Now compare it with the hot headed Arab rabble in Gaza.
Led by terrorists, faces covered, throwing Molotov cocktails, firing unguided missiles at ANYTHING in Israel, attacking settler families cars with petrol bombs.
Murdering kids asleep in their beds.
A classic untrained rabble. They deserve everything they get.

Israel is staying. It is going nowhere. It is a state created for the homeland of a people back where they belong.

I myself didn't grow up in the Middle East. But Israel makes me welcome. Any time I like. That is the attraction. It is a home for people.

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Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:15pm

Quote:

Israel is staying. It is going nowhere. It is a state created for the homeland of a people back where they belong.

Rubbish. How dumb was it in 1948 to artificially plonk some thing called Israel where it is surrounded by people whom even you describe this very day as 'barbarians.'

Why not take Tasmania? Nauru? Whatever?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

God has been used for centuries to justify armed conflict and empire building, but the smacking bible?

Don't start or we will all run off and start quoting what else that thing says and you won't win that one. Back away from the Bible! Quoting pretend friends in Heaven isn't a strong position.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

Crap. I'm not going there in detail (I could) Hicks because it would offend. Simple fact is that is the existence of the artificial State of Israel is the root cause of what is threatening World Peace. That is what I care about. All you seem to care about is possession of a piece of pretty arid dirt when I am offering you a much more productive place on the Planet.

What is the problem here Hicks?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

I don't need to justify my position whatsoever.
Israel is a state, it is not going away.
People either accept that and shut the f--- up or fight back and find themselves in an unpleasant position.

The days of pushing around the people are gone.
This is no longer 1933-45.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

So instead, 'the people' as you call them, push other people around. Now, Palestininan homes and businesses are shut down. Would have been awesome to see the Jewish people lead by example instead of just adopting German tactics.

You seem to do a lot of position justifying for someone who says they don't have to.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:47am

A conflict where both sides are actively trying to be more in the wrong than the other.

Australia should be taking an action by action view and condemning which ever side has done the wrong thing.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:10am

random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

I don't need to justify my position whatsoever.
Israel is a state, it is not going away.
People either accept that and shut the f--- up or fight back and find themselves in an unpleasant position.
The days of pushing around the people are gone.
This is no longer 1933-45.

No I just feel that the unnecessary one eyed criticism that comes Israels way is completely out of order.
That's my position. I hold no bias.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:20am

That's not how your comments appear.

You appear to be one-eyed on any critisism of Israel and you are the one calling all Palestinians 'Barbarians'.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:59am

I'll defend Israel where the criticism isn't valid.
I happen to know from family experience that Israel takes precautions to minimise casualties.
Yet you look at the usual Pallywood nonsense on shelling of Gaza etc and believe it!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am

So Pallywood made it up?

Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on the planet, was not shelled and burned?

Gaza, a city that has no Army, Navy or Airforce, attacked by one of the best trained and equipped military groups on the planet?

Mmmmmm.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:47am

Do they fire unguided rockets and missiles into Israel?
Do they hide munitions in schools?
Do they fire from behind civilian apartment blocks??

Don't give me this poor little city. It doesn't wash with me.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:52am

Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on the planet, was not shelled and burned?

Gaza, a city that has no Army, Navy or Airforce, attacked by one of the best trained and equipped military groups on the planet?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

What about support for the settlements ?

There are currently 121 settlements growing at about 5% per year
Where they just keep going out and taking more land that does not belong to them ?

How about the 102 outposts.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 12:18pm

The settlements are a disputed situation which is slightly different.

Though I would add the last Resolution calling them illegal failed.

Resolution proposes that all Israeli settlements established in the occupied Palestinian territories after 1967 be condemned, and urged that Israel and Palestine comply with their obligations under the Road Map plan in order to establish a two-State solution.

YES - 14 (Gabon, Nigeria, South Africa, Lebanon, India, Brazil, Columbia, Germany, Portugal, Bosnia, France, China, UK, Russia)

NO - 1 (United States of America)

RESOLUTION FAIL - UNITED STATES VETO

"The United States cannot, and will not, support resolutions which harden the positions of both sides and which do little to encourage both to stay in negotiations. It remains the position of the United States that this Resolution would do little to assist peace in the region."
Susan Powers, US Ambassador to the UN

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 12:39pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

The settlements are a disputed situation which is slightly different.

No not different at all.

Either they are there or they are not. Either they have some right to be there or they do not.

The situation is that yes they are there and no they have no right to be there. It is not different and it is really simple. Holding a stacked position in the UN is irrelevant.

I am not anti Israel but on this they are wrong.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by the good ole boys on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

Too bad you don't hold the same view on multiculturalism in Australia.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:17pm

The settlements and East Jerusalem are disputed.
The Arabs attacked Israel on several occasions and ended up losing areas west of the Jordan.
So you can't really attack someone, then bitch and moan when you get your ass handed to you and lose land.

My cousin currently defends the settlement of Gush Etzion near Bethlehem, but says to me that the level of violence on an almost daily basis by Palestinians is shocking.
Kicking family cars as they leave, throwing rocks at soldier positions, attempting to break into the settlements.
Seems they just never learn.

But as regards a position, it's different because it's disputed.
Israel does not believe they are illegal. The Arab world does. The UN can't come to an agreement if they are (hence resolutions failing).

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

Worth noting that in the last few years the votes on Israel saw the United States vetoing positions with support on the SC from Australia.
On the subject of statehood for Palestinians, Australia voted NO.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

There is an arrogance of inalienable right about what you say Hicks. I'm neither Arab nor Jew and I have no personal dog in this fight. What I do know is that I have had enough of schitt fights about Israel. That is what really threatens world peace. One day, I hope Palestine is recognised as a sovereign State, just like Israel was as nothing more than an appeasement after WW2. Israel need not be where it is.....surrounded by barbarians as you claim. Forget all that garbage about historical right backed up by some book which is also pretty flakey.

Get out of Arabia. You do not belong there. Even if you do.....how long do you reckon you'd last if the US abandoned you?

Tasmania, Nauru, etc etc.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:38am

I have no personal affiliation. I am neither Israeli or Palestinian.
However undue and biased criticism of Israel is all too prevalent today.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by bogarde73 on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:21pm

Just for the record, I am not Jewish and I object to the piece of filth who started this thread including my name.
I do however:
- support Israel's right to exist
- it's right to defend itself from constant attacks, including pre-emptively

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Redneck on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

Just to set the record straight for Andrei's benefit

I apoligise for the graphic photos I posted that got me banned.

For most of my life now approaching 71, I was very sympathetic to the Israelis after what Hitler did to them.

Some years ago I began to realise that despite this, Israel seemed to treat the Palestinians very badly. Check the numbers killed on both sides and an army vs some rebel fight back.

Put simply this included building walls around their areas and taking over their land for settlements with complete impunity because of the USA's veto in the UN.

Now if this happened to you Andrei what would you do?

Fight back in any way you could I suspect.

I dont believe in any god given right to a homeland by anyone Israeli or Palestinian but the Pallos were there when Israel was created so they do have a claim.

A nation including both is the only answer, however I don't have much hope of that

I am not advocating terrorism Andrei by Palestinians or Israelis.

I hope I wont be banned for writing this!

I am in no way pro ISIS so please dont try to suggest that any of you other lot.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:17pm

Redneck you are completely entitled to your opinion and doing so would never see you banned.
I don't agree with your view but many would.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 10:38am:

I have no personal affiliation. I am neither Israeli or Palestinian.
However undue and biased criticism of Israel is all too prevalent today.

Israel enjoyed decades of unquestioning support even though on many occasions they were wrong. What you call biased criticism in my view is more a move by many to an unbiased position or giving criticism where it is due.

Less people are blind followers then has been the case in the past.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Didn't Australia to our shame abstain from voting. While we were a disgrace on the topic we did not support the US who vetoes the vote. The US vote on behalf of their huge Jewish community that holds significant political weight in their country.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 3:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:14am:

That is totally untrue. The people of Gaza are prisoners held in concentration camp conditions with their homes bombed.

Israel shoots anyone in Gaza that approaches the border fence within 300 m. Many Gazans have been killed by Israel in proximity to the border fence.

Palestinians are not allowed in or out of Gaza unless Israel allows it.

Goods are not allowed into or out of Gaza unless Israel allows it.

Israel has killed unarmed people on peace flotilla's bringing aid to Gaza and pirated and plundered the vessels. The latest being the Mavi Marmara. Six of the 10 victims were killed execution style by bullet to the head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid

Quote:

In August 2010, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon announced that the U.N. would conduct an investigation of the incident. A separate investigation was conducted by the United Nations Human Rights Council. The findings of this committee, published on 22 September 2010, called the Israeli operation "disproportionate" and condemned its "unacceptable level of brutality".[48] The UN Human Rights Council had also condemned the raid in June, before its investigation.[49] Another resolution backing the report was passed despite American opposition and EU abstention....

... A UNHRC fact-finding mission described six of the nine passengers' deaths (10th died later in hospital) as "summary execution" by the Israeli commandos....

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.

How many voted 'Yes?'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm

The UN Security Council has rejected a Palestinian resolution calling for peace with Israel within a year and an end to Israel's occupation by 2017.

Only the United States and Australia voted against the Resolution, but as a veto holding permanent member, the US no vetoes the passing and adoption. Australia is not a permanent member but also refused to support the vote.

Riyad Mansour, Palestinian ambassador to the UN, criticised the world body for the failure of the vote.

"The Security Council has once again failed to uphold its charter duties to address this crises and to meaningfully contribute to a lasting solution in accordance with its own resolutions," Mansour said.

"This year, our people under Israeli occupation endured the further theft and colonisation of their land, the demolition of their homes, daily military raids, arrests and detention of thousands of civilians including children, rampant settler terrorism, constant affronts to their human dignity and repeated incursions at our holiest sites."

Following the vote, the US, Israel's closest ally, reiterated its opposition to the draft resolution.

Samantha Power, the US ambassador to the UN, said the resolution undermined efforts to "achieve two states for two people".

"It is deeply imbalanced and contains many elements that are not conducive to negotiations between the parties including unconstructive deadlines that take no account for Israelis legitimate security concerns," she said.

YES: Jordan, China, France, Russia, Luxembourg, Chad, Chile, Argentina, Rwanda, South Korea, Lithuania

NO: United States, Australia.

ABSTAINED: United Kingdom, Nigeria

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:36pm

"Australia remains committed to a future in the region where Israel and the Palestinians live side by side in peace.
Regrettably, the draft resolution under consideration today will not help this process and that is why we have voted against it.

It lacks balance and seeks to impose a solution put forward by one party alone. Final status issues can only be resolved between the two sides. A process agreed by both sides is the only way forward to reach an enduring agreement.

The violence experienced in recent months in the Palestinian territories and Israel underlines the terrible human costs of the failure of final status negotiations and how fragile the situation is in the absence of genuine progress towards establishing a Palestinian state – an objective in which Australia believes and to which we are committed.”

Gary Quinlan, Australian Ambassador to the UN.

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Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:50pm

"I want to express my appreciation and gratitude to Tony and his Australian Government. I spoke at length with the Prime Minister before the UN vote and he assured me that Australia's position was not going to be moved.

I also received assurances from the Nigerian president that they would not support the resolution. They stood by their words and this is what tipped the scales."

Benjamin Netanyahu

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Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

So the very clear majority want Palestine recognised, and we use weasel words. Seems pretty clear to me Hicks. What was the vote in the General Assembly on Palestine.

Aside from all that...why are the Jews putting themselves through the torture? They seem genetically engineered to always want conflict in which they can claim victimhood. Why any sane Jew would want to live where they are surrounded by the Hick's barbarians has me stuffed. It is a small patch of this Planet they need it seems. "Need." Hmmmm?? Really?

Why the Hell make it hard?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

The land of Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. Its not land just picked at random.
It is Jerusalem, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Be'ersheba.

The land belongs to Jewish people, that is where the peoples are from and where they belong.

It's not just for show that people like me are allowed Right of Return whenever we choose.
It's hereditary, its ancient.

There are easier places to be, but not the right place - and the people won't be pushed around by a rabble or ganging up.
This isn't 1933-45 now.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:18pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Therein lies the problem. You believe in some ancient right to occupy a lump of pretty schitty dirt surrounded by barbarians......people who also claim the same ancient right. Why not just bugger orf? Buy Tasmania. It is very cheap fertile land right now. No 'barbarians' at the gate, and the entire Planet will breath a sigh of relief....including Tasmanians who need your cash.

Is it because you can thumb your nose knowing that the US is protecting you for purely political reasons? You would not last a second if the US cut you loose.

Agree?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

Just another thought. Isreal is such a dump of a place that there is no way it could fund the weaponry it has. Hicks.....where does Israel get its money from to own state of the art ground and air capability? Who is propping you up?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

By saying 'you'. You are placing me on one side.
I have told you I do not hold Israeli citizenship and I do not live there.

I am passing comment from overseas on the situation not taking sides.

But on the subject of what does Israel do - how about cellular technology? How about the most advanced solar and water power in the world?
How about Teva Pharmaceuticals?

Billions in revenue and technology advances.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

By saying 'you'. You are placing me on one side.
I have told you I do not hold Israeli citizenship and I do not live there.

Sure. That's why you posted this.

It's not just for show that people like me are allowed Right of Return whenever we choose.
It's hereditary, its ancient.

Quote:

I am passing comment from overseas on the situation not taking sides.

Rubbish. You have told us about your Father and your Uncle(s) and cousins who made sure they never targetted Palestinian civilians.

Quote:

But on the subject of what does Israel do - how about cellular technology? How about the most advanced solar and water power in the world?
How about Teva Pharmaceuticals?

Billions in revenue and technology advances.

Really. Some links would be really comforting to this cynic.

What's wrong with Tasmania Hicks? Would you rather have barbarians at your door forever? Do you want the Planet to be on a permanent knife edge so you can occupy a piece of schitty dirt.

Just get the phark out of there, and we will all have a much better chance of 'living happily ever after.'

Take Tasmania. You can afford it. It is beautifull and bountifull and not one barbarian at the door.

Everyone is happy.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.

Nothing to be proud of. I doubt that too many Australians would agree with their decision.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.

Nothing to be proud of. I doubt that too many Australians would agree with their decision.

Absolutely. I agree, but we'll never know for sure.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am

Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing.

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Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:57am

Israel is becoming an outlaw state, stealing land that does belong to them in the West Bank. In Gaza they keep on with the reprisals policy but that is no longer working.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing.

Why am I not surprised by any of this?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Agnes on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:18am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing.

Why am I not surprised by any of this?

What are you surprised about Lisa and why ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by cods on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

stone throwing is a way of life..for Muslims.. andrei..

they still stone women to death in the market place...for adultery she probably has alone..

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

The content of the post is only a distraction from bigger issues. One fatal incident of stone throwing, compared to mass attacks with weapons e.g white phosphorous. The Israelis have to rely on emotional content as the facts don't make them look good. This is a classic.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:06am

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:20am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

Stone throwing is a way of life..for Muslims.. andrei..

they still stone women to death in the market place...for adultery she probably has alone..

Valid point!

Desensitization to stone thowing your own vulnerable.

Random? Your thoughts?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:07pm

See post #154

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:51pm

random wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

See post #154

I read it and its nonsense.

The Israeli view isn't built on emotion - its built on fact and experience.

It is a country which has experienced attack after attack and has to defend itself, that's not emotion its raw fact.

1948 - Just a day after the creation of the country it was under attack.

In 1967 - My father and uncles fought in this war, Israel was directly attacked on 3 sides by its Arab neighbours. Attacked by Arab Nationalists who called for its destruction.

1973 - During the holiest time of Yom Kippur, again Egypt and Syria ganged up to attack Israel without provocation.

By the way - note a trend here? Muliple countries ganging up on the one? Classic Arabs. Cowards.
And they always bollocks it up and get their asses handed to them - may have something to di with Israeli efficiency and Arab cowardice.

Anyway - look to present day?
Israel HANDS territory to the Palestinians in Gaza. How do they respond? They vote into power a banned terrorist organization which calls for the destruction of Israel.

They fire 6,500 unguided rockets into the state of Israel and then cry when F-16 fighters respond and take out the launch sites?

In the last campaign in Gaza. You realist FOUR CEASEFIRES brokered by Egypt were all broken by Hamas firing rockets into Israel.
Why?
Because they are a classic rabble. They are hotheads, they have no control over their emotion and they fire.
They attack Israeli compunds. They slit the throats of Jewish 4 years old children.
What do the Palestinian leaders do? Hail the 'men' who did this as heroes??????

Look at the Shmuel HaNavi bus attack. A suicide bomber gets on a bus of just woman and children and blows themselves up - killing and maiming so many.

I'm sorry but this is what Israel faces every day. It offers so much and yet it is thrown back in its face.

The one difference which the western world fails at times to understand is the Israel response.

This is a mindset thing. It is built out of the horrors of the holocaust. The Christian mindset is that if you are hit on the cheek, give him the other one.
In Israel and Judaism if you are hit on the cheek, you hit him back and twice as hard.

My youngest cousin - a current serving IDF Regular - put it very well this past holiday period.
"If the Palestinians want peace, then so do we. They can live with us and we will build a future. If they want war then they can have that too. But they need to understand that we will bring onto them fire and terror that they will think God himself is bringing it"

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

See post #154

Can you clear the air, Mr Hicks, with a concession? In your last several posts, you are provide strong indications that you are Jewish, yet you also claim no special interest or bias on the matter of Israel. It seems pretty clear you do have a very personal dog in this fight. Yeas?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

And.....I'll get back to my point which on the surface is laughable, but it is doable.

Why stay in Territory where you and your Family are in permanent danger and under never ending constant threat? Just get out. Buy Tasmania. Hell ~ you could buy the entire Continent. What is more important Hicks....thumbing 'your' nose at 'stinking' Arabs in Arabia over a lump of very arid dirt, or the ongoing welfare of Jews and your Family?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

I have not made any comment on my religious denomination because it has no bearing on the points made.

Israel is a country - it has many religions. It has in fact 1m Arabs as citizens. In fact the Arabs in Israel funnily enough have more freedom than their brothers in Arab nations.

My points are made on viewing the situation and the region from afar - I am not an Israeli citizen or a resident. Though I have been to Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem many times and stayed with family.

However my view is an objective one - with a concession that I have family who are Israeli nationals and my family have fought for the Israeli Defence Forces.
This gives me some additional insight.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Your view is insular and far from objective even if you deny that you are Jewish. Why the heck that would bother you has me totally stuffed, but that's your right. Everyone (you refer to) in your Family is Jewish. Why the obfuscation? You expect people here to believe you are objective but you will not respond to an obvious litmus test.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Religious denomination aren't relevant to the points I make is why.

It's about objectively viewing the situation, the region, the issues, the need for Israel to respond responsibly to aggression, how to handle the Arabs that surround them etc.

Whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist - the points you make should still be the same.

There is no dog for me in the fight.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

You don't just randomly pick a land.
Israel wasn't founded in the Holy Land purely by choice.
It is where the people belong. The great Exodus after the horrors of the holocaust was to return the people where they belong.
Israel, Jerusalem, Haifa etc - these are the ancient places where they belong.

Land - and you may scoff - that God himself gave to the Jewish people.

So no, some island off of a country the other side of the world has no bearing or meaning.

To ask the same question - why don't we clear out Gaza and the West Bank and put them all on there?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Come on Andrei. This is (sort of) the real World and honesty/transparency does rate here.

If I was a Presbyterian and got all hairy chested about an attempt by a Council to resume Church land.....it would hardly be honest of me not to declare my personal interest in any public debate about it. Further ~ What the heck are you so reluctant about? Surely there is no shame in whatever denomination you were born into?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:02pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

The Allies did just 'pick a land' after WW2. Undeniable, and it was just so dumb and it still threatens World peace. Don't give me your Bible crap. No-one buys that. Well I don't. I am a pragmatic realist, and 'you' and 'your' claimed historic right to some heritage to a piece of dumb arse dirt in the middlle of Arabia is irrelevant to me.

Sure, the Arabs could buy Tasmania but tell me Mr Hicks....the presence of which group there would be more likely to give World peace at least some chance?

It seems to me...and anyone who thinks in simple terms......just like 'you' moved there in the late 1940s, 'you' could follow 'Gods' Will and walk to Tasmania. I'd expect the Indian/Southern Ocean to open while 'you' make the trek. Maybe Tasmania was that 'promised land.'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:17pm

The Jewish people will not be going anywhere and will not be intimidated to do so.
So they either accept that and work towards peace or they continue their futile stone throwing.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:35pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

The Jewish people will not be going anywhere and will not be intimidated to do so.
So they either accept that and work towards peace or they continue their futile stone throwing.

Of course not. 'You' lot just love playing 'victims' instead of doing something so obvious. It's all about how big 'your' balls are. Well, if the USA (it used to be "The Crusades") ever stops propping you up, we'll see just how big they really are. 'You' lot are a belligerent, aggressive mob, obsessed over.............what, in any non 'Jew' language/mentality, is a nothing....a small piece of crap dirt. It is a barnacle on 'your' hull, and it is what I reckon is the root cause of the current threat to World wide peace. But, 'you' lot think 'you' are far more important than that. 'You' lot have some 'God' given right. Bullshit 'you' do. The USA is giving 'you' that right, not 'God.'

If 'you' really wanted 'Peace' instead of proving some claimed right the rest of the World could not care less about, 'you'd' get out of the place where 'barbarians' surround 'you.'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Agnes on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:41pm

Agnes wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing.

Why am I not surprised by any of this?

What are you not surprised about Lisa and why ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 7:40pm

We didn't choose the land.
The land chose us. That's just how it is.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

The Jewish people will not be going anywhere and will not be intimidated to do so.
So they either accept that and work towards peace or they continue their futile stone throwing.

'futile stone throwing"? I thought it was really bad shite that killed people?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Actually, the idea that "The Allies did just 'pick a land' after WW2" is quite deniable, since the plan to establish both a Jewish Home Land and an Arab State within the area of Palestine was made many years before WW2 even started...Didn't you pay attention in history class, Aussie??

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:36pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Nah, not much. So....what happened to the 'plan' to establish 'an Arab State within the area of Palestine?'

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:40pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Nah, not much. So....what happened to the 'plan' to establish 'an Arab State within the area of Palestine?'

The Arab League rejected the idea....they wanted all or nothing.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:43pm

Quote:

The Arab League rejected the idea....they wanted all or nothing.

I'm all eyes. Show me.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by captain spaulding on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:47pm

I thought you were into the fraternal nature of multiculturalism, Aussie. Jacob and Ishmael were half brothers who built their empires on that arid 'piece of s.h.i.t' dirt. Now your saying that the decendents of Jacob have no place in their ancestral home. How is that not racist?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Quote:

The Arab League rejected the idea....they wanted all or nothing.

I'm all eyes. Show me.

"Following adoption of the Alexandria Protocol in 1944, the Arab League was founded on 22 March 1945. It aimed to be a regional organisation of Arab states with a focus to developing the economy, resolving disputes and coordinating political aims. Other countries joined the league at later dates.] Each country was given one vote in the council. The first major action was the joint intervention, allegedly on behalf of the majority Arab population that was being uprooted as the state of Israel emerged in 1948 (and in response to popular protest in the Arab world), although in fact a main participant in this intervention, Transjordan, had agreed with the Israelis to divide up the Arab Palestinian state proposed by the UN General Assembly, while Egypt intervened primarily to prevent its rival in Amman from accomplishing its objective."

And also:

"The UN plan to divide Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish states and a Special International Regime for Jerusalem (November, 1947) had been preceded by a somewhat similar design in July 1937. At that time, the British Peel Commission recommended that Mandate Palestine be partitioned into a small Jewish state, comprising the Galilee, the Jezreal Valley and the coastal plain, and a large Arab state - the rest of Palestine united with Transjordan. Jerusalem, Bethlehem and a few other areas would remain a British Mandate zone.1
The major cause for the 1937 partition proposal, namely that Arab and Jewish interests could not be reconciled, was aggravated in 1947, after both parties rejected the 1946 recommendation by an Anglo-American committee to establish a bi-national state in Palestine under UN trusteeship. While the Jewish community accepted the 1937 and 1947 partition plans, the Palestinian Arab leadership, dominated by the Husseini family, rejected both plans categorically. Indeed, most Palestinians turned down the 1937 design, even though it designated only 20 percent of Palestine to the proposed Jewish state. Furthermore, the Palestinian leadership even rejected the 1939 British White Paper, which had promised them an independent state within ten years while limiting Jewish immigration and turning the Jews into a minority in an Arab Palestinian state"

http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=104

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

So...this....

Quote:

they wanted all or nothing.

....is not supported. Okay. Just like Hicks will be belligerent which is understandable given his self confessed family Jewish connections...so will I.

That 1947/8 decision was wrong. It is self evident. I'm offering Israelis peace in Tasmania. Why won't they take it, especially given it would just about shut down every threat to World peace coming out of the Middle East. The west really would have no dog in that fight and the Arabs can do what what Arabs have done since Christendom and before.

As an 'Aussie,' I'd love to know that the armed to the teeth Israelis were just over Bass Strait.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

So...this....

Quote:

they wanted all or nothing.

The decision by the Arab League to reject the partition plan??...Yes it certainly was (even Mahmoud Abbas , the leader of the Palestinian National Authority has admitted that) , and it was followed by the even bigger mistake to send armies from seven Arab nations to invade and 'destroy' Israel.

Why would the Israelis accept Tasmania? They don't have any historical ties to Tasmania, while they DO have ties to area where Israel is now.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

So...this....

Quote:

they wanted all or nothing.

I don't have any historical ties to the Sunshine Coast, yet here I am. It would be no grief whatsoever for Israel to relocate. Whoever is there now is not second or maybe third generation and if you believe the Bible, waters part for them....so they can drive to Tasmania. All good.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm

No grief for Israel to relocate??

Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?
How about asking the Aborigines to go somewhere else?

Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people.
The Jews have been on that land as long as any other person has - Jerusalem is the foundation of the Jews.

Absolute nonsense to regard it as random land. Anyone who suggests that really has no concept of history whatsoever.

Jews belong there, they always have - and be damned if some stone chucking Arabs will move them.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

So...this....

Quote:

they wanted all or nothing.

What do you mean they're not second or third generation?? A number of families have lived in and around Jerusalem for up to 80 generations (2000 years) or more

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

So...this....

Quote:

they wanted all or nothing.

....is not supported. Okay. Just like Hicks will be belligerent which is understandable given his self confessed family Jewish connections...so will I.

That 1947/8 decision was wrong. It is self evident. I'm offering Israelis peace in Tasmania. Why won't they take it, especially given it would just about shut down every threat to World peace coming out of the Middle East. The west really would have no dog in that fight and the
Arabs can do what what Arabs have done since Christendom and before.

As an 'Aussie,' I'd love to know that the armed to the teeth Israelis were just over Bass Strait.

What do you mean they're not second or third generation?? A number of families have lived in and around Jerusalem for up to 80 generations (2000 years) or more

It's one of the worst comments I've seen on here.
There are families in my uncles street in Haifa who have been in the land of Israel tens of generations...

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people.
The Jews have been on that land as long as any other person has - Jerusalem is the foundation of the Jews.

Absolute nonsense to regard it as random land. Anyone who suggests that really has no concept of history whatsoever.

Jews belong there, they always have - and be damned if some stone chucking Arabs will move them.

Did the Jews win that land of Israel or was it handed to 'you' after WW2 to shut 'you' up? You say that Jews have been there for ages. I don't doubt that. I do say 'you' have been a non fit there as history (Crusades) demonstrates. Just get out ~ live nowhere near these 'barbarians,' and give us all a chance to live in peace.

Pharked if I'll rate 'your' right to live peacefully above mine. 'I'm' no threat to the Planet. 'You' are.

'You' are not welcome where 'you' are and if the USA was not propping 'you' up, 'you'd' be in Tassy and 'we'd' all live longer without 'your' continual threat to local and World peace because 'you' reckon 'you' have some right which is meaningless when it counts. I'm yet to meet the man who cannot be at peace within himself, with his neighbours and the Planet when they have an income, a roof of the head of their family, a fridge, running water, heat, a bed, a spouse and family who have the potential to achieve the same.

Nah. 'You' are a belligerent bunch of 'this is mine,' when someone is offering 'you' much better.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:34am

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

No and the reason is pretty obvious. They have accepted they are stuffed and they are still willing to stay where they are and not get all armed up to recover what they lost. Well done, them.

[quote]Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people.
The Jews have been on that land as long as any other person has - Jerusalem is the foundation of the Jews.

Absolute nonsense to regard it as random land. Anyone who suggests that really has no concept of history whatsoever.

Jews belong there, they always have - and be damned if some stone chucking Arabs will move them.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:40am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

Aussie, why are you so determined to believe and propagate the lie that the recreation of Israel had anything to do with what happened during WW2???
[/quote]

Maybe because it is 100% true.

Isreal was created as a result of having several Million displace Jewish people collected together and looking for somewhere to live in the aftermath of WW11.

The US and UK choosing to give them land that they didn't own was the solution put in place.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 6:12am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:40am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

Aussie, why are you so determined to believe and propagate the lie that the recreation of Israel had anything to do with what happened during WW2???

Maybe because it is 100% true.

Isreal was created as a result of having several Million displace Jewish people collected together and looking for somewhere to live in the aftermath of WW11.

The US and UK choosing to give them land that they didn't own was the solution put in place.[/quote]

Bullcrap. The Balfour Declaration, the letter from the UK foreign secretary confirming the British Government support for establishing a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine dates from 1917 (22 years before the beginning of WW2), and the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine written in 1922 contains:
"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country".

The intention of the British government and the League of Nations to create a Jewish homeland goes back well before the end of WW2.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 6:15am

And of course that's completely ignoring the thousands of years before that.

Eretz Yisrael dates from 10 centuries BC....

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by captain spaulding on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:37am

Crap. Wrong thread.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:47am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 6:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:40am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

Aussie, why are you so determined to believe and propagate the lie that the recreation of Israel had anything to do with what happened during WW2???

Bullcrap. The Balfour Declaration, the letter from the UK foreign secretary confirming the British Government support for establishing a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine dates from 1917 (22 years before the beginning of WW2), and the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine written in 1922 contains:
"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country".

The intention of the British government and the League of Nations to create a Jewish homeland goes back well before the end of WW2.[/quote]

And yet nothing had happened until there were millions of displaced Jews at the end of WW11 and it was still a matter of the US and US giving away land they had no right to give away.

You really think it was possible to create a new state inside of Palestine without prejudicing the local residents at the time.

nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

Could anything be further from what happened ?

WW11 triggered the creation of the Jewish state, without it this was probably never going to happen.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:20am

Nothing had happened??
The post war Aaliyah was the 4th!!! In fact 25% of "Palestine" mandate was Jewish pre WW2 from successive Aaliyah since Herzl's proposal at the turn of the century.

I suggest you read about the history of Jewish migration through the early 20th century

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:20am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 6:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:40am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 5:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:41pm:

No grief for Israel to relocate??
Quote:

What grief would 'Israel' suffer. It would be welcomed, contrary to where it is, surrounded by 'barbarians.'

[quote]Have we asked the American Indians to move to Botswana?

Aussie, why are you so determined to believe and propagate the lie that the recreation of Israel had anything to do with what happened during WW2???

And yet nothing had happened until there were millions of displaced Jews at the end of WW11 and it was still a matter of the US and US giving away land they had no right to give away.

You really think it was possible to create a new state inside of Palestine without prejudicing the local residents at the time.

nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

Could anything be further from what happened ?

WW11 triggered the creation of the Jewish state, without it this was probably never going to happen.

[/quote]

For a start, the year 1948 was chosen for the creation of the two different states (one Arab and one Jewish) was decided in 1938, in a British White Paper. Secondly, the creation of the Jewish State would have happened with or without WW2 and lastly, it was the British and the UN, NOT the US that 'gave away the land', and as the land had been under the control of the League of Nations and the LNs replacement body the UN, since 1922, they had as much right to create, or allow the creation of Israel as they had to create TransJordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:29am

I must admit though, it's really quite fascinating to watch people attempt to re-write history just to put the Jews in a bad light.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am

The Jews are acting towards Palestinians a lot like nazis acted towards the Jews! Stealing land, for one.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:27pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The Jews are acting towards Palestinians a lot like nazis acted towards the Jews! Stealing land, for one.

No, not even close Monk...( but bonus points for trying to insult Judaism by making the comparison)

a) the Nazis didn't steal land.
b) if Israel ever did behave like the Nazis (which would not ever happen btw), the 'Palestinians' (which is a non existent group) would cease to exist in less than a week.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 6:00pm

If the nazis didn’t steal land wtf were they doing in Holland 1940–45?

The Isrealis were booted out of Palestine by the Romans, so they have no historical/religious right of return. Zionist societies did sponsor Jews to return to Palestine where they bought land from various Muslim landholders.

Tassy would have been a much better place for them to settle. They are now dispossessing West Bank business and home owners and expropriating their land. They then feel all upset when there is resistance and payback to that. Israel is its own worst enemy right now.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

I must admit though, it's really quite fascinating to watch people attempt to re-write history just to put the Jews in a bad light.

Sadly history is littered with these people.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:17pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The Jews are acting towards Palestinians a lot like nazis acted towards the Jews! Stealing land, for one.

Disgraceful and insulting.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The Jews are acting towards Palestinians a lot like nazis acted towards the Jews! Stealing land, for one.

Disgraceful and insulting.

Who threw the first stone and when did that happen Hicks?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:29pm

People would do well to listen to these lyrics.

It encompasses my views and millions of others of our people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTqMs58mMwU

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Jovial Monk on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The Jews are acting towards Palestinians a lot like nazis acted towards the Jews! Stealing land, for one.

Disgraceful and insulting.

So the Isrealis are not stealing land on the West Bank and building settlements on it?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:36pm

No they are not in my opinion and in world opinion the settlements are NOT classed as illegal as the vote on that subject could not come to agreement.

AND on the last two votes on Israeli actions in that region - AUSTRALIA voted in favour of Israel on one and ABSTAINED on the other.....

And your reference and comparison to the Nazis was disgraceful and you know it.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

I must admit though, it's really quite fascinating to watch people attempt to re-write history just to put the Jews in a bad light.

How does peoples various understanding of what they believe happened irrespective of it they are correct or not show the Jews in a bad light.

Ultimately the reality is that the Jewish state came into being - opinion as to how or why it happened does nothing to show the Jewish people any better or worse.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

*Response to Hick's post # 199.*

Nah.. you lost me at the lyric "God gave this land to me." Horseshit. Where is the land this bloke 'gave to me' or are 'you' blokes special in the God giving land project?

Skyfairies have no say in the matter. I notice you did not answer my question (about a stone) as well Hicks. I googled "Why do people not like Jews," and this came up:

Link.

I doubt it has much by the way of revelation, but your comments on it would be of interest to me.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:44pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

The majority vote is against 'you' Hicks. 'You' are always saved by a USA veto. That is a political outcome, and it does not vindicate 'you.'

Just get out of the place where you are surrounded by 'barbarians.' 'You' won't of course, we all know that 'you lot' have Sky Fairy given rights. Yeah. 'You're' special.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:06pm

Right I shall clarify my position on this entire subject -

1. My views are not a religious one. They are fact driven and belief in what is for the common good.

2. The 'Religious' view is that the Jewish People are God's chosen people. That He chose them as his and they have a divine right to the land. Now (and this is not my fundamental view on Israel) - I have been brought up to believe the Jews are the Chosen people and do believe it - but that's all that is.

3. The clear fact is that the Jews have been in the land of Israel since 10 centuries BC. Not exactly late arrivals.

4. In that time there has been conflict, wars, droughts, invasions. Overall the Jewish people though have remained in varying amounts.

5. Since before the turn of the century Herzl put forward his view of the return of the Jews to their homeland, to where they have always belonged. Where all of the main concepts and births of Judaism and the people sit.

6. There have then been 4-5 separate bursts of 'aaliyah' (Return to homeland) since Herzl's proposal. This is why the comments earlier in this thread of how Israel was a response to WW2 is just nonsense. WW2 hastened the moves - but they were in train well before then. Balfour has declared the need to create the Jewish state in WW1 times. There had then been 4 bouts of aaliyah before WW2 closed - in fact the exodus in 1945 was not that much more than others had been.

7. The state of Israel being created was the result of years in planning and centuries in birth - and a return to its entity not a new one. Israel is referred to in the bible, it is in the Torah, it is thousands of years old. Not just 1948.

8. Israel's fight today is with terrorists. The Arab aggressors who attacked it unprovoked no less than 5 times in the last century have gone. Nasser is dead, Egypt now align themselves with Israel. General Sisi refuses to open the southern Rafah border crossing because he refers to Hamas as 'desert dogs'. My own family members who have worked the southern zone have told me that specific information on suspects comes to the IDF directly from information passed on by the Egyptian Army....
In fact several fleeing the last campaign in Gaza who got into Egypt have been handed over by Egypt to Israel. That's how things are there.

9. Jordan has no dog in the fight anymore. In fact the Palestinians are the lowest of the low in the Arab world. There are 1m refugees inside Jordan who have crossed over. Does Jordan allow them in? Does Jordan offer them citizenship? In fact if you read your history Jordan up until 1980 claimed all of the West Bank for itself!

10. Israel has NEVER taken land off the Palestinians. The land captured in 1967 - which by the way was a war the Arabs started - was taken from Egypt (Gaza), Syria (The Golan) and Jordan (Judea and Samaria). Palestinians have NEVER held land in their own right.

11. Worth noting Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza - it was not forced. It just decided it was not worth the effort and handed it to the Palestinians. What did these same people do? Vote in a terrorist extremist group whose sole aim was the destruction of Israel. Nothing like picking up the olive branch eh?
By the way these are the same people who danced in the streets and handed out celebratory candy on 9/11 when the towers collapsed and called the 3 men martyrs who broke into an Israeli compound and slit the throats of a 4 year old and 6 month old boy.

Tell me again how Israel is the issue here....

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:09pm

How about you come clean and declare your personal vested interest?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:14pm

There is none. I told you that.
I am not Israeli resident nor citizen.

My personal association comes from family who live there and family who have served in the IDF.

I do not have any relations who are rock throwing Palestinians so I am more associated to one side but the views below as you may note - are fact driven.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:14pm:

Are you (as everything indicates) a Jew? If you are why not just say so? If you are not, why not just say so? What is the problem?

I'm not a Jew. I'm a failed Presbyterian.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:59pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

Right I shall clarify my position on this entire subject -

By the way these are the same people who danced in the streets and handed out celebratory candy on 9/11 when the towers collapsed and called the 3 men martyrs who broke into an Israeli compound and slit the throats of a 4 year old and 6 month old boy.

Tell me again how Israel is the issue here....

Tell me about the white phosphorous ... tell me about the air-power bombing a densely populated city ... tell me stories about those things too.

Tell me about how nothing gets in or out of Gaza without Israeli approval.

Tell me about the concentration camp that is Gaza.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

What about what it sends over its border? Does that not matter? Come on Hicks ~ are you Jewish or not. That needs to be answered so that readers can objectively evaluate what you are saying.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

About the concentration camp that is Gaza. Don't they have a right to control what comes over their borders?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

random wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

About the concentration camp that is Gaza. Don't they have a right to control what comes over their borders?

Your insulting reference to the camp aside - the border is controlled by Israel.
If they want to pass things in or out of Israel then it is Israeli border patrol's right to decide what passes.

You do know there is a southern border into Egypt that is not controlled by Israel but by Egypt right?

Now care to guess why General Sisi keeps that border slammed shut?
Might have something to do with putting a designated terrorist group in charge?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Soren on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

What about what it sends over its border? Does that not matter? Come on Hicks ~ are you Jewish or not. That needs to be answered so that readers can objectively evaluate what you are saying.

What are you referring to? v What is it that Israel "sends over its border?"

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 10:30pm

If Andrei doesn’t want to say, Aussie, that is his right in a free society. He has his Australian passport, his English passport, and he could get an Afrikaans one too if he wanted.

Let’s just leave it at that.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:41am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:55pm:

random wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

So Israel has no right to decide what comes over its border?

About the concentration camp that is Gaza. Don't they have a right to control what comes over their borders?

The 'concentration camp' term sensitivity and so lack of use, masks what Gaza is.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 3:23pm

Noticeably ignored the fact that the southern border is shut by EGYPT and not Israel.

But then, that wouldn't fit the one size fits all generalization that Israel is to blame for all of it would it?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Yeah so constrained on all sides they went underground and dug tunnels "to smuggle a wide range of goods, including fuel, gas, cement, construction materials, raw materials, pesticides, seeds, agricultural tools, preservatives, packaging material, spare parts, livestock, zoo animals, food, medicines, clothes, car parts, building supplies, weapons and luxury items in general."

People have to have a good reason to go to so much trouble to get the basics.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

And guns, ammunition, missiles....

You do know they fired 6,500 missiles into Israel over the summer right?
Where did they miraculously appear from?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by skippy. on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

It looks like Aussie has found a new target to bully. Half the posts in this thread are Aussie hounding Andrei about his religion.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:24pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

It looks like Aussie has found a new target to bully. Half the posts in this thread are Aussie hounding Andrei about his religion.

Which haven't been answered because it has nothing to do with the topic .

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:15pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

And guns, ammunition, missiles....

You do know they fired 6,500 missiles into Israel over the summer right?
Where did they miraculously appear from?

6,500 you say? JFC that's impressive under the circumstances.

That compared to ...

"

For years there have been persistent reports of Israel selling arms to regimes with records of egregious human rights abuses without the issue being discussed or questioned at home. But that is changing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-arms-exports-under-scrutiny-amid-claims-they-are-helping-to-fuel-conflict-in-south-sudan-10452399.html

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:07am

Fascinating thread to read , should anyone wish to expand their knowledge i highly recommend this book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_for_Civilisation

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:29am

Haven't read it but looked at the link.

The existence of books like this only highlights the dominance of the Idiot Box in world politics. All the wisdom of the world in books and no one cares.

Books used to matter once. Now if it is not digital and free it has no real clout.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am

What always mesmerises me is the readiness of people the other side of the world to jump onto one side in this conflict knowing pretty much nothing about it and not realising that side houses terrorists and those who slit the throats of children and innocent civilians.

The Australian Green being set of useful 1diots.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:24pm

Awful stuff that white phosphorous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0igorvoBFs

Warning Very graphic footage , wasn't the use of it banned ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

War is not pleasant.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:36pm

Its time wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Awful stuff that white phosphorous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0igorvoBFs

Warning Very graphic footage , wasn't the use of it banned ?

This is from Wiki:

Quote:

Legality

The assumption that white phosphorus is considered a chemical weapon, and thus constitutes a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention, is false. During the testimony of Prof. Michael A. Newton at the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict he said "the law is clear that there are some authorized, perfectly valid uses of white phosphorus munitions". Newton mentions legitimate marking of targets and illumination and shielding of movements as common uses. In urban areas, white phosphorus can prevent incendiary leveling of an area by masking movements in order to avoid snipers or explosive devices. However, a legal weapon can be used in an unlawful way. An intentional attack on a playground would be different than an attack on other areas, and thus is ruled by different sets of international law. Protocol I demands proportionality and 'feasible measures' in order to minimize or eliminate damage to civilian lives or property, stating "It [white phosphorus] is not strictly prohibited, but it[s use] has to be done carefully, and tightly controlled and on the basis of a very detailed targeting analysis".[4][5]

Colonel Desmond Travers, a UN investigator, has said that while white phosphorus is not a chemical weapon, it is harmful to the environment and dangerous for both victims and the doctors that treat them.[4]

According to Lt. Col. Raymond Lane, the quality of smoke created by white phosphorus is superior to other smoke producing agents such as Hexachloroethane and Titanium Tetrachloride, and thus difficult to match for blanket coverage.[4]

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

How much time have you spent in Israel Andrei?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:23am

random wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

How much time have you spent in Israel Andrei?

Adding it up, around a year and a half of my life.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:44am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

If that's true, you must spend most of your life in a dazed hypnotic funk...

As Tariq Ali said at Sydney's Festival of Dangerous Ideas, - the videos of ISIS committing atrocities against innocent individuals shocks and angers us (as it should), but what is our reaction, Ali goes on to say, to a drone strike on a group of 50 people, where maybe 2 or 3 Taliban/ISIS associated people are present (and its usually impossible to confirm), leaving the majority of the drone strike dead or damaged with severe life-altering injuries? How, he asks, is that any less an atrocity than ISIS terrorists' committing unjustified executions?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Phemanderac on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:51am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

What always amazes me is that there is no shortage of useful idiots ready to jump on either side as though they are all righteous and entitled and can do no wrong...

Amazing. Both sides have their legitimate gripes and both sides commit their atrocities. Neither side is morally superior or just.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Phemanderac on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:52am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

1diots.

Isn't that a breach of the rules?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 7:46am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

Don't you routinely comment on Australia from the other side of the world and repeatedly jump onto one side in this discussion knowing pretty much nothing about it ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:23am:

random wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

How much time have you spent in Israel Andrei?

Adding it up, around a year and a half of my life.

I have a Jewish friend with extreme views on what should happen to Palestinians. 'Just shoot them all'.

Turns out that his views are more extreme than most who live in the Israel. I see that in you.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:44am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

Most thinking people worked that one out for themselves. It is disappointing that others have to have that explanined to them at festivals.

Invariably, so far, I have noticed that those who had not thought about the morality of drone strikes, don't want to. They don't care about 'brown people' being killed.

Drones are the epitome of terror. Death from the heavens, no warning, no arrest, no trial. A crime someone should be charged with.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by NorthOfNorth on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 9:30pm

random wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:44am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

Yes, that was my point... We choose those facts that conform to our (convenient) truths. Its not so much that news media skews our minds as that we are willing to molded by it. And then we trumpet those truths, as a meme, to those like minded.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

random wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:23am:

random wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

How much time have you spent in Israel Andrei?

Adding it up, around a year and a half of my life.

I have a Jewish friend with extreme views on what should happen to Palestinians. 'Just shoot them all'.

Turns out that his views are more extreme than most who live in the Israel. I see that in you.

What views anywhere have I posted as extreme on Israel?
You seem heavily biased against the state of Israel though.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 10:28pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

random wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:23am:

random wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:37am:

How much time have you spent in Israel Andrei?

Adding it up, around a year and a half of my life.

I have a Jewish friend with extreme views on what should happen to Palestinians. 'Just shoot them all'.

Turns out that his views are more extreme than most who live in the Israel. I see that in you.

What views anywhere have I posted as extreme on Israel?
You seem heavily biased against the state of Israel though.

No more than you are biased in favour of the State of Israel. You are unwilling to concede what is a quite likely personal interest. That is a telling blow on your credibility specifically in this Thread. You are not being candid Mr Hicks.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 3:28pm

I have stated my connection to the state of Israel is through family ties.
I have no personal vested interest otherwise.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Super Nova on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 3:51pm

Andrei,

I have worked for, with and socialized with Jewish people.

I currently work with and for Arabs and Muslims.

It is an mobile world with all races starting to live together (not integrate)

Decisions made at the end of WWII are not your issue.

I see the world full of people where the large majority are good and a very small percentage seek power and control over them. This minority unfortunately seek power and drive unrest.

Don't give this pursuit of you and your opions any time. Anti-Semites are not worth the effort. The game of entrapment that aussie plays is just designed to corner you on the smallest point to be made into a big issue to support whatever racist view he has.

Aussie, give it a rest. This makes you look even worse, if that is possible.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 4:06pm

Super Nova wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Give what a rest?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 4:53pm

I never have and never will engage with anti Semites and their games.
It's a sad and hateful world they inhabit.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 6:32am

'Anti-Semite' is a term that allows anti-Palestinian to be a valid stance. Interesting.

'Racism' doesn't provide the same wiggle-room.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 4:53pm:

I never have and never will engage with anti Semites and their games.
It's a sad and hateful world they inhabit.

Do you know that the term Semite refers to Jews and Arabs ?

Anti Palestinian is also anti Semitic.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:36am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 3:28pm:

I have stated my connection to the state of Israel is through family ties.
I have no personal vested interest otherwise.

You have no vested interest except for your vested interest, I see.

I have a similar position, I don't eat hamburgers. That is except for when I am eating a hamburger.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by MumboJumbo on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 3:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 4:53pm:

I never have and never will engage with anti Semites and their games.
It's a sad and hateful world they inhabit.

Reminds me of a joke I heard a while back...

How many palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?
None -- they all just sit around in the dark and blame the jews.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 4:34pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 4:53pm:

I never have and never will engage with anti Semites and their games.
It's a sad and hateful world they inhabit.

Reminds me of a joke I heard a while back...

How many palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?
None -- they all just sit around in the dark and blame the jews.

That is an efficient joke - You could tell that joke either way ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

Super Nova wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Super_Nova,

Oh !

You have noticed that group too!

You have noticed the group living among us, that would 'seek political power, and drive unrest' in our society.

.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

.

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

.

And people who spread such a poisonous message, of intolerance of 'others' and the promoting of political violence [i.e. TERRORISM!], ....are people who also live among us, HERE IN AUSTRALIA.

--------- >

e.g.

Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah, HERE IN AUSTRALIA] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

YT -------------- >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

The guy in the YT is this 'Aussie' moslem -------------- >

IMAGE.....

Islamic politician Sheik Ismail Alwahwah, the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 4:52pm

Yadda puts a lot of effort into formatting his posts. Although there are utilities to do that.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:19pm

Yes some Arabs are Semites. Thanks for that history lesson.
Also I don't think anyone is "anti Palestinian" who contributes on here.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpcXfojooo

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

They were probably throwing rocks into Israel again, the bastards! They asked for it.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpcXfojooo

What's the point of that?
Want to put up the videos of the Jewish settler family that had their three children stabbed to death - which by the way Hamas called "heroic"?

Yep. Cutting the throat of a 4 year old child is heroic.

Barbarian bastards.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:54pm

Watch what happens to the guy in the all green t-shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52z-mYLIk8

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:08pm

random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Watch what happens to the guy in the all green t-shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52z-mYLIk8

He well and truly deserved it didn't he Hicks? He was throwing stones into Israel and no doubt he was well supplied with all the available 'rubble throw' stones. Those buggers even destroy their own homes to create lethal throwing weapons! What an arsehole that bloke was! Was it one of your cousins who took that 'barbarian' out Hicks? I'd like to buy him a beer!

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:13pm

I'm not commenting on you tube videos taken in war zones.
There's no context or supported background.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

I'm not commenting on you tube videos taken in war zones.
There's no context or supported background.

You just did comment on a youtube video and you said you would not. So, you don't believe your own eyes, but you'll believe what your 'cousins' tell you. A camera lies, yet your 'cousins' do not.

That's fair enough I guess.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Agnes on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

Aussie you are seriously obsessed by this- it is entirely reasonable not to want to comment because "I'm not commenting on you tube videos taken in war zones.
There's no context or supported background" so let it alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtakO9A9NH4

This an old video- but funny. Bill Hicks.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

My cousins who currently serve in the disputed zones act with the utmost integrity because that's how they are.
If they have ever engaged with threats, they have done so after following procedure which means ANY FIRING of weapons must be authorised by a central command in Tel Aviv.
Only after approval could they engage with weapon fire.

Sadly unlike the rabble they face who have no protocol or terms of engagement - as shown by the murders of civilian mothers and children.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Oh ...... okay......so sniping at that bloke......once to bring him down......and then shoot again to kill was authorised by Tel Aviv. I guess the guy had some secret weapon no-one knows about. Tel Aviv did. Fair enough. War is war, and deliberately killing civilians is okay. I do get that Hicks. Everyone here is with you on that score.

Sounds entirely justifiable to me. How many downed unarmed wounded 'barbarian' civilians have your cousins been authorised to kill by Tel Aviv, Hicks? I might buy them two beers.

Each.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

random wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Watch what happens to the guy in the all green t-shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52z-mYLIk8

>:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:42am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Face up to it Hicks. Not only are they attempting to save others in what looks like hell, but the Israelis then have to kill those who are clearly not combatants. And what was the point of putting two more rounds into a wounded person?

That's murder. That's a crime. They are criminals.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:48am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

I'm not commenting on you tube videos taken in war zones.
There's no context or supported background.

Unbelievable.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:51am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

How do we know that the video incident was not authorised ?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

Ever heard of 'double tap'? That's the military term for a second attack designed to kill the rescuers.

Here's one in Gaza after the ambulances arrive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2sGCdAKtA0

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:01pm

random wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Ever heard of 'double tap'? That's the military term for a second attack designed to kill the rescuers.

Here's one in Gaza after the ambulances arrive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2sGCdAKtA0

Random, you really must get over worrying about or being in the least bit concerned about all that. It is just very petty stuff. Meh. They are only naughty civilians, you know......just well deserved cannon fodder like you and me. Clearly, they were throwing rocks into Israel and got everything they deserved. I'll have you know that it was even approved by the 'cousins' of Hicks at Tel Aviv HQ, so that makes it even all the more acceptable. Take a 'chill pill,' Random. It really is quite okay.

"We're all friends, no?"

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:51am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

How do we know that the video incident was not authorised ?

According to Hicks it was definitely authorised.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32pm

I read a similar story in the great war for civilisation about an Jewish attack helicopter firing a hellfire missile in to an ambulance , made me so dam angry.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm

Its time wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

I read a similar story in the great war for civilisation

about an Jewish attack helicopter firing a hellfire missile in to an ambulance,

made me so dam angry.

Leftwinger,

You are making an accusation, against one side, ....but leaving out so much information about those incidents in Lebanon.

Why are you doing that ?

Leftwinger,

If you, personally, were using an ambulance to covertly transport armaments in a conflict zone, [and if i had that option] i would, personally, rain down hellfire missiles in to YOUR ambulance.

'Hasta la vista, baby!'

Leftwinger,

Moslems themselves, made those 'ambulances' legitimate targets,
......if those ambulances were being used by moslem combatants to try to covertly transport armaments.

And those moslems KNEW that.

Or are you going to argue that such tactics, that were being used by the moslem combatants in Lebanon, were wholly legitimate and proper ?

Google;
hezbollah used ambulance, armaments, lebanon

Google;
hezbollah used ambulances to transfer armaments, lebanon

Quote:

.......Israel said that it tried to avoid civilians, and had distributed leaflets calling on civilian residents to evacuate,[6] but that Hezbollah stored weapons in and fired from civilian areas and transferred weapons using ambulances, making those areas legitimate targets,[7] and used civilians as human shields.[8][9][10][11][12]

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Israeli officials accused Hezbollah of intentionally using the civilian population as human shields, and several reports have said that Hezbollah fired rockets from residential areas to draw Israeli fire on those areas, which maximised civilian casualties.[13][14] The IDF released pictures and videos it said demonstrated Hezbollah's use of mosques and homes for rocket storage and launching.[15] The IDF claimed that Hezbollah had set up roadblocks to prevent residents from leaving the warzone,[11] while Amnesty International reported that "around 100,000 civilians were trapped in southern Lebanon, afraid to flee following Israeli threats to target all moving vehicles," and after statements by Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon that "all those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah."[16]

In U.S documents leaked online, it was alleged that Hezbollah used ambulances to transfer weapons during the war.[12]

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The Sunday Herald Sun printed pictures that were smuggled out of Lebanon. One showing militants in a Lebanese town riding a truck equipped with an anti-aircraft gun, another showing a militant carrying an AK-47 rifle.[32] The photographer, a Melbourne man who refused to give his name, stated that he was less than 400 meters from the block when it was obliterated. He said that "Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets, then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets ... Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived, it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then it was totally devastated. It was carnage. Two innocent people died in that incident, but it was so lucky it was not more." [32] The New Yorker reported how a Sidon mosque was used as a Hezbollah weapons cache before it was bombed by Israel.[33]

On 5 December 2006, the IDF declassified photographic and video recorded evidence of Hezbollah's human shield tactics.[31] Ynetnews reported:

"The IDF [had] found that Hizbullah is preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon. Roadblocks have been set up outside some of the villages to prevent residents from leaving, while in other villages Hizbullah is preventing UN representatives from entering, who are trying to help residents leave."[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:07am

Yadda wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

I read a similar story in the great war for civilisation

about an Jewish attack helicopter firing a hellfire missile in to an ambulance,

made me so dam angry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War

One only need look at extremism exposed for a demonstration of your version of a balanced perspective .

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07am

Yadda pads his posts to move the pages along, away from content he does not agree with.

The formatting of Yadda's posts are similar>identical to posts I have seen in other sites where similar right wing posters use software to manage multiple identities and the formatting is set for each. Some applications manage up to ten accounts simultaneously. Interesting.

Oh yeah, to justify double-taps and shooting ambulances and schools, one simply has to make a claim that they are being used to store or transfer arms? Wow.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:11am

There are any number of instances where ambulance coloured vehicles have been used by terrorist organization Hamas for cover of arms and also to be used to attempt to kidnap IDF personnel.

Sadly terrorists do not respect normal convention.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:14am

Worth remembering here that we have an enemy that fires rockets into Israel from apartment blocks in Gaza (knowing full well the IDF will track the launch coordinates and respond with F-16s), they use UN funded schools full of children to hide munitions, they hide behind women and children, they bomb women and children, and they allow and even push their young teens to the border to throw petrol bombs at Border Police.

Quite frankly, Hamas are utter scum who deserve wiping off this planet.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:48am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:14am:

Worth remembering here that we have an enemy that fires rockets into Israel from apartment blocks in Gaza (knowing full well the IDF will track the launch coordinates and respond with F-16s), they use UN funded schools full of children to hide munitions, they hide behind women and children, they bomb women and children, and they allow and even push their young teens to the border to throw petrol bombs at Border Police.

Quite frankly, Hamas are utter scum who deserve wiping off this planet.

The real Hicks coming out now.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15am

No. ive always held that view.
If you see a terror group that kills women, martyrs those who slit the throats of young kids as anything other than scum then you need to take a look at your moral values.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Dnarever on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:43am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

You see this and rightly condemn it but fail to recognise the same behaviour on the other side.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:59pm

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:07am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

I read a similar story in the great war for civilisation

about an Jewish attack helicopter firing a hellfire missile in to an ambulance,

made me so dam angry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War

One only need look at extremism exposed for a demonstration of your version of a balanced perspective .

Leftwinger,

Aaaaah!

So you what you said, IN YOUR POST, is that you don't agree with my opinion and views.

But what about the Hezbollah 'ambulances' ?

Do you concede, that it is very likely that Hezbollah [acting against all civilised conventions of war], were transporting armaments in vehicles that were marked as ambulances ?

And that THAT, was the reason why those 'ambulances' were targeted by those, murderous 'Joos'/Zionists.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Yadda on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:14am:

Yes.

Agree, with what you say, Andrei Hicks.

Jeremiah 51:17
Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
18 They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
19 The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.
20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;
21 And with thee will I break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee will I break in pieces the chariot and his rider;
22 With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid;
23 I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers.
24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD.
25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.

Zechariah 12:2
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 2:14pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:07am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

I read a similar story in the great war for civilisation

about an Jewish attack helicopter firing a hellfire missile in to an ambulance,

made me so dam angry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_war_crimes_in_the_2006_Lebanon_War

One only need look at extremism exposed for a demonstration of your version of a balanced perspective .

Read the book and you will see the investigation that went in to proving it was an ambulance doing what ambulances do :o

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Aussie on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 3:09pm

Never go to a gun fight armed with pissy rocks. You'll come second and be shot by Israelis disguised as your mates. But, it is all okay. It was the honourable cousins of Hicks and Tel Aviv HQ authorised it. You can clearly see the smoke signals they used to send the authorisation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4ppVnBjM4

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 3:55pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Do you think that sniper called home to get permission to continue firing at an unarmed wounded civilian? Or was the order to kill the unarmed civilian and he just had to finish the job?

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 11:46am

random wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15am:

Do you think that sniper called home to get permission to continue firing at an unarmed wounded civilian? Or was the order to kill the unarmed civilian and he just had to finish the job?

Engaging with threats requires approval in Tel Aviv, unless in extreme circumstances of endangering IDF lives.
Once approval is granted the engagement has authorisation until the IDF deem the threat to have subsided.

I'm not going to comment on some random you tube clip though.

Just that every IDF personnel I know, and I know quite a few both present and past - behave with the upmost respect and responsibility.

Title: Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic
Post by random on Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 1:05pm

We can only assume that the guy in the green shirt was deemed a threat, and that he was 'subsided'. I did not see him carrying either a gun or a bomb.

First he was carrying wounded people then trying to GTFO. That'll teach him, he won't play 'help your mates out' again.

Oh, and I also suppose that the Isreali sniper was just one of those not in your circle of aquaintances.