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General Discussion >> General Board >> Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1451618738 Message started by Sun Tzu on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:25pm |
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Title: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:25pm
Australia is too hooked on China's need for resources. This has led to economic decisions which unbalance economic development.
http://www.wattelectricalnews.com/NEWS/Canadian-Recession:-Why-Australia-is-Next-in-Line/27883&email=bron.skiba@gmail.com&utm_source=Weekly+Wire+Loyals&utm_campaign=6b6d80b713-weekly_wire_wk21_monday&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_acdc6e3c64-6b6d80b713-86717297&ct=t(weekly_wire_wk8_monday)&mc_cid=6b6d80b713&mc_eid=a232a64333 Quote:
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by lee on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:27pm
Don't mention Canada’s Green Revolution raising electricity prices as a reason for a failing economy.
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by longweekend58 on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:43pm
this will be the 5th year in a row the pundits have predicted a recession in australia. one day they will be right but not this year as the economy continues to IMPROVE.
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 1st, 2016 at 2:32pm
Australian economy is already in recession?
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/the-aussie-economy-is-already-in-recession/2015/12/03/ [quote]The Aussie Economy is Already in Recession Greg CanavanDecember 3, 2015 In case you’ve only had a chance to read a headline or listen to a news grab on yesterday’s Australian economic data release, today, I’ll dig a little deeper. The headline number came in at 0.9% for the three months to 30 September. This was better than expected and, annualised at least, represents a 3.6% growth rate. But it wasn’t as good as it appeared. The healthy result came from an unusually strong contribution from ‘net exports’. This refers to the volume growth of exports versus the volume growth of imports. During the September quarter, export volumes increased while import volumes decreased. This combined to see ‘net exports’ produce an exceptional contribution to economic growth. According to Peter Martin at Fairfax, it was the largest contribution in 15 years. There is one thing about the headline growth number that you need to know though. It measures increases in production volumes. It doesn’t care whether the increase in volumes is profitable or not. This is why the headline economic growth number is not a very good measure of the country’s economic well-being. It doesn’t reflect economic reality. I’ll show you what I mean… The strong growth in ‘net exports’ came largely from a hefty 4.6% growth in export volumes. My guess is that much of that came from iron ore volume growth, as well as the start of LNG exports. The problem though, is that the growth in export volumes was more than offset by a decline in the price received for said exports. We know this because the trade deficit for the September quarter came in at over $7 billion. So while additional export volumes contributed to headline economic growth, in reality, we sold these additional volumes for less. This resulted in Australia generating a big trade deficit for the quarter, meaning more money flowed out of the country, despite the so called export boom. But plenty flowed back in too, in the form of foreign creditors satisfying our demand for more debt. I’ll get to that in a moment. But first, let’s look at the growth numbers when they actually take onto account the prices we receive for exports and the prices we pay for imports. Along with a few other minor adjustments, this more realistic measure of economic performance is called ‘real net national disposable income’. It actually contracted 0.1% in the September quarter and 1% over the year. So on a more realistic measure of economic wellbeing, Australia is indeed in recession. Not that you’ll read that in the mainstream news. Instead, you’ll get lazy analysis saying how strong the Aussie economy is, and how it continues to defy the pessimists. The bottom line is that we remain on a trend to lower growth. Increased production volumes are all well and good but if they don’t provide you with a decent return on investment, they are useless. It’s like a Chinese steel mill making more and more of the stuff while losing more and more money. Eventually it will go bust. Which brings me back to the earlier point. While dollars flow out of the country due to the trade surplus, money comes right back in via foreigners lending to us. This supports consumer (and government) demand. During the quarter, both households and government demand contributed to growth. But it wasn’t enough to offset the drag coming from investment. It will be clearer if I show the percentage point contribution (positive or negative) from each sector, so you can see where the growth is coming from: Starting from the top, household and government consumption combined provided 0.5% to the overall quarterly growth figure of 0.9%. But that was more than offset by a fall in investment. ‘Dwellings’, which represent new home buildings, aren’t growing fast enough to contribute to economic growth. Non-dwelling construction reflects the ongoing fall in mining related investment. ‘Machinery and equipment’, which reflects general business investment, was weak too. In short, we’re consuming ok, but not investing in future growth. ‘Public’ or government investment spending fell sharply during the quarter too, and detracted significantly from growth. This is likely to be a volatile component, and should pick up during times of large infrastructure spending. All this combined to produce a contraction in ‘gross national expenditure’. This measures the performance of the domestic economy without taking into account the effects of trade. And as I mentioned, net exports (via more dirt and gas going to China) saved the day…or the quarter. There is a bit of evening out to consider here. While the fall in mining investment detracts from growth, the pick-up in mining production (a result of the investment) adds to growth. My gripe is that the headline figure doesn’t convey the quality of that growth. It suggests the Aussie economy remains strong. But selling more for less, and generating lower returns on investment, isn’t creating wealth. The real measure of the Aussie economy is worse than the headline suggests. That’s not pessimism, that’s just reality. There is one other thing to note from the numbers above. There is a lot of talk around about the economy rebalancing away from mining to other forms of investment. It’s not happening. Housing construction isn’t adding to grow |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 1st, 2016 at 6:01pm
Information from the above article:
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by lee on Jan 1st, 2016 at 6:10pm
Ahh, a recession if we only look past our net exports. What a fun idea.
We have been a net exporting country for many years. Why did no one look to this before? You know like the World Greatest Treasurers - Keating and Swan? Why it might even explain "the recession we had to have" and the GFC. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:54am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:43pm:
The economy is being fueled by a steady growth in debt rather than a growth in wealth. When will we ever see a return on that investment ? And turning one old house into three dog boxes is not going to give you that return !! |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:43am Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:54am:
Apartments and small houses are the future. People are now going for quality instead of quantity. Whats the point of a 4 bedroom house and quarter acre block when there is only one or two people resident. Its a lot of work looking after house and land. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by lee on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:07am Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:43am:
If it is too hard for you, don't do it. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by The Grappler on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:33am Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 10:43am:
For decades now studies have shown that crowding people into small areas in numbers destroys lifestyle and the fabric of society. I'll keep my acreage thanks.... |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Gnads on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:36am
Shitzu is a proponent of a growth industry
in creating Slums/Ghettos I'm sure he'd make a great Slum Lord. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by gandalf on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:49am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:43pm:
Or more precisely '5th year in a row the pundits have predicted a technical recession.' Sun Tsu's article demonstrated how meaningless the term is. On the things that actually matter for an economy - investment and national spending, our economy is going to the crapper. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by innocentbystander. on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:45pm
New socialist government in Canada so its party time :D :D :D ... well party time for welfare scum, public servants and fake refugees anyway.
Anyone in private enterprise is going to get arse raped by the government in order to pay the bill for it all ;D |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by Sun Tzu on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:57pm innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:45pm:
Canadians have learned to live with rape and now expect it. Canada has been a high tax country for a long time. |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by innocentbystander. on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:10pm Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 12:57pm:
Some societies just can't get enough of being the prison bitch ;D |
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Title: Re: Canadian Recession: Why Australia is Next in Line Post by longweekend58 on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 4:17pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 11:49am:
you cannot have subjective definitions of recession otherwise you will always have one or not have one all at the same time depending on who you are talking to. there is a definition of recession which we continue to use because it ISNT subjective. |
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