TWU
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Release date: 30/12/2015

TWU MEDIA RELEASE, 30 December 2015

The Transport Workers’ Union is demanding that the Royal Commission formally apologise to the union’s 90,000 members after a final report found no new information during its two-year investigation into the trade union. The TWU has called for the $1 million of members’ money it was forced to spend in answering questions from the Commission to be returned.   :)

“The Transport Workers’ Union should never have been called before the Royal Commission. This final report refers to a matter which the TWU already had investigated and turned over to the appropriate authorities. No new information was found in the Royal Commission’s inquiry into the matter,” said Tony Sheldon TWU National Secretary. 

The Royal Commission report states, “the TWU deserves commendation” for its investigation into improper conduct by officials in the Western Australia branch. It says the “TWU referred the matter to this Commission” and “it cooperated fully with the Commission”.

It is the latest in a series of vindications for the TWU after the Royal Commission began its investigations. Last year then Minister for Employment Eric Abetz apologised after making a false claim over the use of TWU members’ funds. This false claim was the basis for including the TWU in the Royal Commission investigations. This year the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission cleared another Royal Commission claim against the TWU after it found there was no anti-competitive agreements with transport companies.

“We demand an apology and our money back. We represent transport employees who have jobs with the highest rate of workplace fatalities in Australia. Our job is to fight for their safety and the safety of other road users,” Sheldon said.

He added: “It is clear that the TWU employs the highest standards when dealing with misconduct. We are happy to discuss with the Government changes which would strengthen governance in trade unions. But we will not support ideologically motivated, hastily-drafted legislation which impacts unfairly on union members,” Sheldon added.

“The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added.   :(

Lovely stuff.  It won't happen though.

It should happen.

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” when it came to systemic mis-behaviour and corruption.'

'Two former secretaries of the WA branch of the Transport Workers Union, Rick Burton and Jim McGiveron, were recommendations for action under the Fair Work Act for their role in obtaining two Ford F350s valued at $150,000 each and a redundancy payment of $477,000 given to Mr McGiveron.'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-royal-commission/

Perhaps not as clear-cut as claimed. But hey, just take a unions word for it; to have uncovered all corruption.

It doesn't seem to work that way for most people though.

Surely the TWU cannnot be so deluded from reality ?

If a RC says "You are flawed", well, you are flawed.

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg”

They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time.

Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Surely the TWU cannnot be so deluded from reality ? If a RC says "You are flawed", well, you are flawed.

to be sure they can they can....

they believe they are all little empires run for the sole benefit of all those little emperors....like Thomo and Williamson and Jackson..not forgetting all those in the past the wilsons who disappeared Widows funds...

they believe they did nuffink wrong..


on ly the judge did something wrong.....remember????>.

have they asked THOMO and WILLIAMSON who have been found guilty


TO APOLOGISE for STEALING FROM THEIR OWN MEMBERSHIP?????????.....


gee I would like to see that... >:( >:( >:( >:(

wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:06pm:

TWU Demands Apology From Royal Commission

Hmmmm

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Surely the TWU cannnot be so deluded from reality ? If a RC says "You are flawed", well, you are flawed.

No, Mr Cyclist, that is the point.  A finding of a RC is not 'reality' in the sense that is it proof of anything.  It is a mere administrative opinion of no value anywhere...........except as a political weapon.  That is why Governments have them.

Quote:

Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision

....maybe a precedent could be set?

When the union goes on strike and costs business and members of the public both cash and inconvenience the union should be made pay up... :)

Aussie wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Lovely stuff.  It won't happen though. It should happen.

The TWU shouldn't have answered the questions if
it cost $1 million to answer them.

They could have claimed that it wasn't their money to spend but workers money.

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Quote: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision ....maybe a precedent could be set? When the union goes on strike and costs business and members of the public both cash and inconvenience the union should be made pay up... :)

Evidently not up to speed , we can't strike outside of negotiations.

cods wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:00pm: Surely the TWU cannnot be so deluded from reality ? If a RC says "You are flawed", well, you are flawed. to be sure they can they can.... they believe they are all little empires run for the sole benefit of all those little emperors....like Thomo and Williamson and Jackson..not forgetting all those in the past the wilsons who disappeared Widows funds... they believe they did nuffink wrong.. on ly the judge did something wrong.....remember????>. have they asked THOMO and WILLIAMSON who have been found guilty TO APOLOGISE for STEALING FROM THEIR OWN MEMBERSHIP?????????..... gee I would like to see that... >:( >:( >:( >:(

Well done Cods, didn't mention Shorten or Gillard once in that post  ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 6:12pm: Lovely stuff.  It won't happen though. It should happen. The TWU shouldn't have answered the questions if it cost $1 million to answer them.

Why did it cost it anything?  Was that the bill for several pairs of cement shoes?  :D

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/690000b9d3e023237e846447dbcc3b10

ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology.

Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm:

ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology.

...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market  :D

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:40pm: ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology. ...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market  :D

What labour market?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time. Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ?

Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:45am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:47pm: Kat wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:40pm: ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology. ...they could start by demanding more competition in the Labour market  :D What labour market?

......exactly

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:04pm: 'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time. Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ? Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions.

I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery. 

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:42am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 6:15am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:04pm: 'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time. Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ? Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions. I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery.

Extended and encompass white collar crime , agreed.

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:49am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:42am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 6:15am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:04pm: 'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” They operated for 2 years and only made enquiries and investigated for under 10% of that time. Wonder why they didn't look into the iceberg instead of organising to attend Liberal party fund raisers ? ? Perhaps Turnbull should extend the time that the RC is allowed to operate in order to weed out ALL corruption at the TWU? I have a feeling, however, if that were to happen, the RC would be in operation for decades given the systemic level of corruption within the militant TWU and ALL unions. I think the RC should be extended to become a semi-permanent enquiry until such time as they stop finding endemic corruption, bribery and thuggery.  Extended and encompass white collar crime , agreed.

I dont have a problem with that.  what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:05pm:

what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions.

then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

Its time wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 8:03pm: Quote: Union Demands Apology From Royal Commision ....maybe a precedent could be set? When the union goes on strike and costs business and members of the public both cash and inconvenience the union should be made pay up... :) Evidently not up to speed , we can't strike outside of negotiations.

Not at the moment, anyway.

It would be useful to give casual staff an unrestricted right to strike so as to put downward pressure on casualisation. If employers can withdraw shifts for casuals without reprisal, it's only fair that casuals can also withdraw their labour without reprisal.

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense

... and the public's expense.....

How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles?

There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld......

LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

Ya know, on any objective assessment, two years, zquillions of dollars, a huge trawl, a very broad brush, and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals...not much of a pay off or dividend for tax payers.....but then again, all Abbott wanted was the political scalps of Gillard and Shorten whom the Commission exonerated of any wrong doing.

Despite all the hyped up language of Heydon, and despite two years and all that money................he admits he got almost nothing, brushing that aside with the meaningless wafty slur of 'tip of the ice berg.'  Was that because there was no ice berg, huh?  The whole show was all tip and no berg??  Or were you just incompetent Heydon, and could not locate what should be easily found under a tip?  Really?

I reckon there will be few people actually charged, and even fewer, convicted.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld...... LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

There you go again.. not one shred of proof or support in any way - yet your rave on and on, seeking to find a weak spot by hammering away at an absolutely armour-plated position held by me (or anyone else).  You really are one sick puppy, and your constant repetition of the same nonsense makes not one iota of difference to the truth.

It is YOU who are delusional... but keep trying.  ::) 

When will you produce any support for your unsubstantiated views?


Word for today:-  subustiation (n) - the status of having either zero substantiation or having claimed substantiation blown to ribbons... see Longy

- Grappler Concise Dictionary, 2016 edition.

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:18pm:

and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals.

Not quite.

'Proposing an overhaul of key parts of the industrial relations system, including the creation of a standalone agency to police unions and employer groups, Mr Heydon also recommended civil and criminal charges against 45 people and companies.'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-royal-commission/

So not just individual unionists but companies also. Some "witch-hunt".

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld...... LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

hilarious, especially coming from someone who doesn't know if they are Arthur or Martha .... or in your case gold medal or maria :D :D

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 2:18pm: and yet only what amounts to a handfull of findings against very few individuals. Not quite. 'Proposing an overhaul of key parts of the industrial relations system, including the creation of a standalone agency to police unions and employer groups, Mr Heydon also recommended civil and criminal charges against 45 people and companies.' https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-royal-commission/ So not just individual unionists but companies also. Some "witch-hunt".

In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry ~ given the time, resources and money wasted.   If the cops had been handed that budget, I'm very sure they would have produced a better outcome.

You must keep in mind that all we have at this stage are adverse findings (opinion if you like) made by an administrative tribunal.  They are not convictions, not even charges.  Now, those 45 might be investigated by relevant authorities which may not bother pursuing anybody for all sorts of reasons including priorities and most likely, lack of sufficient evidence to get convictions.

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:20pm:

In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry

Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status?

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status?

Huh?

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:00pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status? Huh?

You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact.

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:08pm: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:00pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status? Huh? You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact.

Have a look at the list.  All small fry.

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm:

Have a look at the list.  All small fry.

Do they have a dollar amount?

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:42pm: Have a look at the list.  All small fry. Do they have a dollar amount?

In the context of this discussion...yeas.  Squillions spent to catch small fry....and the Feds/Cops could have done it much cheaper.

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 6:34pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:42pm: Have a look at the list.  All small fry. Do they have a dollar amount? In the context of this discussion...yeas.

So these corrupt unionists and companies took "yeas". I'm not familiar with that particular currency or is it a multiple, like millions?

lee wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:27pm:

'Former High Court justice Dyson Heydon, handing down his 4000-page report after almost two years, said he had uncovered only the “tip of the iceberg” when it came to systemic mis-behaviour and corruption.' 'Two former secretaries of the WA branch of the Transport Workers Union, Rick Burton and Jim McGiveron, were recommendations for action under the Fair Work Act for their role in obtaining two Ford F350s valued at $150,000 each and a redundancy payment of $477,000 given to Mr McGiveron.' https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30463996/unions-louts-thugs-and-thieves-royal-commission/ Perhaps not as clear-cut as claimed. But hey, just take a unions word for it; to have uncovered all corruption. It doesn't seem to work that way for most people though.

Lol, like no one has ever heard of worse  ::) ::) ::) ::)

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 6:34pm: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:59pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:42pm: Have a look at the list.  All small fry. Do they have a dollar amount? In the context of this discussion...yeas.  So these corrupt unionists and companies took "yeas". I'm not familiar with that particular currency or is it a multiple, like millions?

So, you are being deliberately obtuse.  Okay, make yourself irrelevant.  No skin off my nose.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld...... LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion.

says a bloke who voted for copper internet  :D :D :D :D :D :D

wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:06pm:

“The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added.   :(

Banks are regulated by several government authorities

What government authorities are regulating union corruption?

So why are we allowing the union to compare Banks and Union corruptions?

Because Labor/Union believe the voters are m#r0ns

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:41pm:

wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 6:06pm: “The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added.   :( Banks are regulated by several government authorities What government authorities are regulating union corruption? So why are we allowing the union to compare Banks and Union corruptions? Because Labor/Union believe the voters are m#r0ns

But... but... but.. 'socialist' Fuhrer Keating de-regulated the banks to free up capital and open up investment....

the banks... (wait for it)... 'self-regulate'.......  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D     :'(

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:53pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld...... LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion. says a bloke who voted for copper internet  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Longy retreating!  Time for the cavalry, I think!  Place your sword in his back, give him no rest and no chance to regroup.... and drive him all the way back to Berlin!

lee wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm:

You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact.

they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one.

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:20am:

lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:29pm: You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one.

ICAC will still have secured the most high profile judo chops, and the most convictions .

we should have a federal ICAC ... they won't do it because they want to cover their own arses.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:52am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:41pm: wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 6:06pm: “The banks are still refusing to cooperate with the authorities after defrauding thousands of customers. Major Australian and foreign companies continue to evade tax with little government reprimand. If Malcolm Turnbull is serious about strengthening trade unions as he said today then he should give working communities more rights in their workplace. He should also support the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal which is defending owner drivers and transport companies against wealthy retailers which are driving down safety and conditions through their low cost contracts,” he added.   :( Banks are regulated by several government authorities What government authorities are regulating union corruption? So why are we allowing the union to compare Banks and Union corruptions? Because Labor/Union believe the voters are m#r0ns But... but... but.. 'socialist' Fuhrer Keating de-regulated the banks to free up capital and open up investment.... the banks... (wait for it)... 'self-regulate'.......  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D     :'(

http://p9.storage.canalblog.com/96/31/77911/41170956.gif Give him no rest !!! http://p9.storage.canalblog.com/96/31/77911/41170956.gif

Aussie wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:42pm:

lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:08pm: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:00pm: Aussie wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 3:20pm: In any man's language, 45 is a handfull of small fry Do you have qualified accounts to confirm the "small fry" status? Huh? You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. Have a look at the list.  All small fry.

do you think shortarse started at the TOP? ;D ;D ;D

well alright we know some do. ::) ::)

Its time wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:20am: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:29pm: You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one. ICAC will still have secured the most high profile judo chops, and the most convictions .

Fateful trip to luxury Perth car dealer exposes TWU funds misappropriation

By Rebecca Turner   

Updated 4 minutes ago


Proceedings at the Royal Commission
Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo)

Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs



Map:  WA

It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning exposure of how easily union money was able to be misappropriated by two Transport Workers Union (TWU) bosses.

This is how two luxury utilities vehicles started a money trail which led to the trade union royal commission.

It was a Wednesday morning in winter when Richard Burton, the assistant secretary of the WA branch of the TWU, decided to visit a couple of Perth car yards.

His colleague Glen Barron drove him to the luxury Barbagallo Motors dealership in Osborne Park and was under the impression that his superior was in the market for a new car for himself.

Amid the Lamborghinis, Maseratis and other luxury cars, Mr Burton had his eyes on a top-of-the-range Ford ute, the F350.

Mr Burton told Mr Barron he planned to sell his own Ford F250 to buy the new F350 for himself, Mr Barron later explained in a witness statement to the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption.

Fateful day  >:( >:(  MONGREL BASTARDS

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:55pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:20am: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:29pm: You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one. ICAC will still have secured the most high profile judo chops, and the most convictions . Fateful trip to luxury Perth car dealer exposes TWU funds misappropriation By Rebecca Turner    Updated 4 minutes ago Proceedings at the Royal Commission Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo) Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs Map:  WA It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning exposure of how easily union money was able to be misappropriated by two Transport Workers Union (TWU) bosses. This is how two luxury utilities vehicles started a money trail which led to the trade union royal commission. It was a Wednesday morning in winter when Richard Burton, the assistant secretary of the WA branch of the TWU, decided to visit a couple of Perth car yards. His colleague Glen Barron drove him to the luxury Barbagallo Motors dealership in Osborne Park and was under the impression that his superior was in the market for a new car for himself. Amid the Lamborghinis, Maseratis and other luxury cars, Mr Burton had his eyes on a top-of-the-range Ford ute, the F350. Mr Burton told Mr Barron he planned to sell his own Ford F250 to buy the new F350 for himself, Mr Barron later explained in a witness statement to the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. Fateful day  >:( >:(  MONGREL BASTARDS

Wow, why didn't anyone tell the cops?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 1:55pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:20am: lee wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 5:29pm: You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one. ICAC will still have secured the most high profile judo chops, and the most convictions . Fateful trip to luxury Perth car dealer exposes TWU funds misappropriation By Rebecca Turner    Updated 4 minutes ago Proceedings at the Royal Commission Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo) Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs Map:  WA It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning exposure of how easily union money was able to be misappropriated by two Transport Workers Union (TWU) bosses. This is how two luxury utilities vehicles started a money trail which led to the trade union royal commission. It was a Wednesday morning in winter when Richard Burton, the assistant secretary of the WA branch of the TWU, decided to visit a couple of Perth car yards. His colleague Glen Barron drove him to the luxury Barbagallo Motors dealership in Osborne Park and was under the impression that his superior was in the market for a new car for himself. Amid the Lamborghinis, Maseratis and other luxury cars, Mr Burton had his eyes on a top-of-the-range Ford ute, the F350. Mr Burton told Mr Barron he planned to sell his own Ford F250 to buy the new F350 for himself, Mr Barron later explained in a witness statement to the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. Fateful day  >:( >:(  MONGREL BASTARDS

What's the rest of the story?  Did he sell his F250 to buy the F4350?  Or what?

A Tale of Two Fordies?

It was the best of crimes..... it was the worst of crimes.....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:53pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm: what i do have a problem is how so many absoletely reject any investigation of unions. then you have no problem ... since no one has rejected ANY investigation. What they object to is political witch hunts at the unions expense ... and the public's expense..... How did Dyson 'know" it was on the tip of some 'iceberg'?  Is this like the feminist's dreams of six out of seven rapes are never aired and for every paedophile there are countless potential paedophiles? There is a huge difference between Dreamland and Realityworld...... LOL last person on the planet who should be saying that. you LIVE in dream world. you sleep in the land of delusion. There you go again.. not one shred of proof or support in any way - yet your rave on and on, seeking to find a weak spot by hammering away at an absolutely armour-plated position held by me (or anyone else).  You really are one sick puppy, and your constant repetition of the same nonsense makes not one iota of difference to the truth. It is YOU who are delusional... but keep trying.  ::)  When will you produce any support for your unsubstantiated views? Word for today:-  subustiation (n) - the status of having either zero substantiation or having claimed substantiation blown to ribbons... see Longy - Grappler Concise Dictionary, 2016 edition.

How did Dyson know???  A year of hearings and you think you are mor informed than him?

only JS keeps you from being the most ignorant of people on here. even mothra is above you. She at least can spell.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:08pm:

only JS keeps you from being the most ignorant of people on here

you're just being modest longstupidone ... we all know you are by far the biggest idiot on here. That's why you constantly get owned by everyone and anyone including those you claim are idiots   :D :D :D :D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 2:48pm:

aussie100percent wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 1:55pm: Its time wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:25am: John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2016 at 9:20am: [quote author=leeforward link=1451549194/33#33 date=1451633353] You're the one claiming they only caught "small fry". I was wondering how you established that as fact. they haven't 'caught' anyone yet ... they merely recommended further investigation  ... of that 45 you'll be lucky if they catch one. ICAC will still have secured the most high profile judo chops, and the most convictions . Fateful trip to luxury Perth car dealer exposes TWU funds misappropriation By Rebecca Turner    Updated 4 minutes ago Proceedings at the Royal Commission Photo: The trade union royal commission recommended Jim McGiveron and Richard Burton be referred to the Fair Work Commission. (AAP: Jeremy Piper, file photo) Related Story: Further probe looms for union bosses who bought luxury 4WDs Map:  WA It started with a fateful trip to a luxury car dealer in Perth three years ago and has resulted a damning exposure of how easily union money was able to be misappropriated by two Transport Workers Union (TWU) bosses. This is how two luxury utilities vehicles started a money trail which led to the trade union royal commission. It was a Wednesday morning in winter when Richard Burton, the assistant secretary of the WA branch of the TWU, decided to visit a couple of Perth car yards. His colleague Glen Barron drove him to the luxury Barbagallo Motors dealership in Osborne Park and was under the impression that his superior was in the market for a new car for himself. Amid the Lamborghinis, Maseratis and other luxury cars, Mr Burton had his eyes on a top-of-the-range Ford ute, the F350. Mr Burton told Mr Barron he planned to sell his own Ford F250 to buy the new F350 for himself, Mr Barron later explained in a witness statement to the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. Fateful day  >:( >:(  MONGREL BASTARDS

fateful day for the union, which as the union representing workers in transport industries ranging from aviation to trucking knows a bit about vehicles.

Later that day, at 5pm, the branch's management committee, known as BCOM, met in the union boardroom.




For James McGiveron to remain in the room was to help cloud with sentimentality and emotion the minds of BCOM members who should have been allowed to think more hard-headedly about the meaning, the possible implications and the merits of the car resolution.

Trade union royal commission report



Among the 14 people in attendance were Mr Burton, the union's then branch secretary James McGiveron, and Tim Dawson, who was to take over as secretary in April 2014.

It was common knowledge among officials that Mr McGiveron, a formidable and popular boss who was also the national president of the TWU, planned to step down as branch secretary in the near future.

"He had been a very long-serving secretary," the final report of the royal commission said.

"He had a very forceful personality. He was deeply respected by the BCOM members. He was a man for whom they had great affection."

But Mr McGiveron made his intentions official at this meeting, announcing that he would resign and take up a newly created position as a gas and mining officer, leaving Mr Burton to take the top job from January 1, 2013, without having to face an immediate election.

The committee also passed a resolution that Mr McGiveron was to be "granted personal ownership of the union motor vehicle that he is driving at the time his employment ceases with the branch".

The minutes of the meeting do not identify who presented this resolution to the council, but the royal commission report said it was likely that Mr McGiveron drafted and recommended it.

Despite an obvious conflict of interest, Mr McGiveron did not absent himself from any discussions about it.

Minds of BCOM members 'clouded with emotion'

"For James McGiveron to remain in the room was to help cloud with sentimentality and emotion the minds of BCOM members who should have been allowed to think more hard-headedly about the meaning, the possible implications and the merits of the car resolution," the royal commission report said.

In his witness statement to the royal commission, bus organiser Kevin Starr explains a possible motivation behind the generous car resolution.

"I do recall the discussion in respect of this motion," Mr Starr said.

Close up shot of Former TWU national president and WA branch secretary Jim McGiveron
Photo: Jim McGiveron gives evidence at the trade union royal commission. (Fairfax Media)



"Around the time of that resolution, Kevin Reynolds had just retired from the CFMEU and he'd been gifted by the union a flash Range Rover.

"This was discussed at the BCOM. BCOM members also discussed that it would be an appropriate gesture to sign over to Mr McGiveron the car he was driving at the time he left."

But while Mr McGiveron had been driving a $50,000 Toyota LandCruiser when he supported the resolution, he left the union in July 2013 with a four-month-old, $150,000 F350 truck.

Six days after the meeting, Mr McGiveron handed over two contracts to buy two 2013 Ford F350s to his executive assistant Debra Hodgson and asked her to pay an $80,000 deposit to Barbagallo Motors.

In her wit

Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:40pm:

ALL unions and ALL unionists should be demanding quite a bit more than just an apology.

Including those found to have behaved corruptly?

I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC.

Seems fair to me!

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:02am:

I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me!

you can bet if it was Murdoch asking to be compensated they'd all be supporting him :D :D :D

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:02am:

I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me!

.....they should go on strike about it

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:02am:

I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me!

What mechanism can be used? In a court of law you have to sue for recovery of costs.

An RC has no power to repay costs.

lee wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:25am:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:02am: I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me! What mechanism can be used? In a court of law you have to sue for recovery of costs. An RC has no power to repay costs.

...that'd be their usual method of extorting the public by collusion

Swagman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 11:34am:

lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:25am: Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:02am: I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me! What mechanism can be used? In a court of law you have to sue for recovery of costs. An RC has no power to repay costs. ...that'd be their usual method of extorting the public by collusion

So exercising a legal right in the courts (if you are a Union) is extortion, but if - say - Joe Hockey does it - it's a legal right pure and simple?

No wonder cods thinks Lomax is a master criminal long after the charges laid against him were abandoned.... the ethos is that as long as it's a Union involved , their rights under law vanish or must be made to become deseperacedevos.... by 'law'.... ;D  ;D  ;D

Adolph Schwagman's Beginning of The Final Solution.... all Unions are Communist Criminals and are enemies of Der Auschtralian Volk!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

So exercising a legal right in the courts (if you are a Union) is extortio

As I pointed out - there is no legal right to reparation from an RC.

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 9:02am:

I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me!

they would then have to prove they were honest in their representations. btw do u think someone found not guilty in a criminal case gets their costs refunded?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:02am: I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me! they would then have to prove they were honest in their representations. btw do u think someone found not guilty in a criminal case gets their costs refunded?

Why?  The onus is on the accuser, and a person not guilty can make claim for costs.. which never meet the actual cost.  Costs can be awarded in the case of a vexatious litigant.... so if a Union is shown to be 100% squeaky clean.... is not the imposition of a royal commission vexatious and based on nothing of substance?

You are pointing the way clear to changes mandated in our judicial system... perhaps you should call for a royal commission into the judiciary etc.... and into how royal commissions are handled and funded only to satisfy 'city hall'.

Lese majeste....

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 6:10pm: Saul Goodman wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:02am: I think any union that was cleared of any corruption allegations should be able to claim costs of appearing before the RC. Seems fair to me! they would then have to prove they were honest in their representations. btw do u think someone found not guilty in a criminal case gets their costs refunded? Why?  The onus is on the accuser, and a person not guilty can make claim for costs.. which never meet the actual cost.  Costs can be awarded in the case of a vexatious litigant.... so if a Union is shown to be 100% squeaky clean.... is not the imposition of a royal commission vexatious and based on nothing of substance? You are pointing the way clear to changes mandated in our judicial system... perhaps you should call for a royal commission into the judiciary etc.... and into how royal commissions are handled and funded only to satisfy 'city hall'. Lese majeste....

there is just so much you are ignorant of.  a not guilty person does NOT get their costs back. as for your assertion of a 100% 'squeaky clean' union, do you know how anyone comes to that conclusion??