Coalition voters reject cut in Sunday penalty rates

Date
    December 27, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald

The Turnbull government will face overwhelming opposition from voters in key Liberal and Nationals seats if it supports the move to cut Sunday penalty rates.   :)

With Labor and the union movement working hard to persuade voters that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull favours cutting Sunday pay for retail and hospitality workers, exclusive ReachTEL polling conducted for the left-leaning Australia Institute shows the move will face strong opposition from electors in key Coalition seats.   :)

Polling across the federal electorates of Warringah, held by former prime minister Tony Abbott, Dickson, held by Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, New England, held by the Nationals' deputy Barnaby Joyce, and the NSW seat of Page on December 17 found between 65 per cent and 79 per cent of people in those electorates want Sunday penalty rates in the retail industry either kept the same or increased.   :)


In Warringah, 51.1 per cent of electors want Sunday rates for retail workers to stay the same and 13.7 per cent want them increased.

And in Dickson 60.1 per cent per cent want Sunday rates for retail workers to stay the same, while 18.7 per cent want them increased.

Mr Abbott and Mr Dutton are prominent members of the Liberal Party's right wing, the source of strong support within the Coalition for reducing weekend penalty rates.   :P

The ReachTEL polling was conducted two weeks after the Productivity Commission's final report on Australia's workplace relations framework was handed to the Turnbull government and just four days before the report was released to the public on Monday.

Voters were asked about Sunday penalty rates in the retail sector specifically. They were not asked about the hospitality sector.

The Productivity Commission's report recommended that the Fair Work Commission reduce Sunday penalty rates for hospitality and retail workers to match lower time-and-a-half rates paid on Saturdays.   :(

Its recommendation did not extend to emergency workers, nurses, or teachers.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash said the idea was something the Fair Work Commission could adopt if it wanted to, but it had nothing to do with the Turnbull government.

"The government has no plans to change penalty rates," Ms Cash said this week.

"Penalty rates are set by the independent Fair Work Commission, just as interest rates are set by another independent body [the Reserve Bank]."

But Labor's employment spokesman Brendan O'Connor has criticised Senator Cash and the Turnbull government for refusing to rule out the recommendation immediately.

"If Malcolm Turnbull and this government does not want to support cutting penalty rates, then they can reject the recommendation of the Productivity Commission today," Mr O'Connor said.

"But the minister has chosen not to do that."

Executive director of the Australia Institute Ben Oquist said the polling showed it was not just Labor voters who were concerned about the cuts to penalty rates.

"It also indicates it would be wise for Malcolm Turnbull to ignore the pleas of those conservative MPs in his ranks, who risk being an electoral liability for the new Prime Minister," Mr Oquist said.

"Public holidays like Christmas and days like Sunday are different to normal workdays and should be treated as such."

The strength of opposition to a reduction in Sunday penalty rates was similar in Mr Joyce's New England, where 55.3 per cent of voters wanted rates to stay the same and 15.4 per cent wanted them increased.   :)

In Page, held by the Nationals' Kevin Hogan, 55.4 per cent of voters wanted rates to stay the same, while 19.2 per cent wanted them increased.

Female voters were more concerned than men about cutting penalty rates.

In Mr Abbott's seat, 68.5 per cent of women wanted rates to stay the same or be increased, compared to 60.9 per cent of men.

In Mr Dutton's seat, 83.7 per cent of women wanted them to stay the same or be increased, compared to 73.7 per cent of men.

There were 743 residents polled in Warringah, 738 in Dickson, 747 in New England, and 762 in Page.

Happy Christmas Coalition voters.   [smiley=beer.gif]   ;D 

Goodness me , right wingers had the intelligence and forsight to see what happens when you furk with peoples money , 2007 must be fresh in their minds.

Wait till Swag and Cods see it , cue meltdowns and tangents about Shorten .

turncoat won't commit to cutting penalty rates, at least not before the election ... if he does he'll see his numbers crash to Abbotts level

It was the Productivity Commission that recommended it and it's the Fair Work Commission's call.

As a Coalition voter I think they should leave it alone as well.  It's just another ochlocratic policy that common sense cannot budge and talking about it just gives Labor the chance to wave their hammer and sickle flag.




 

Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

As a Coalition voter I think they should leave it alone as well

so after years of telling us that it is bad, you now want it left alone?

that's what I like, a man of conviction  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


by the way, it doesn't matter if it's the fair work commissions call, if they scrap penalty rates, the libs will wear the flak

I was wondering when someone would wake up that a lot of shift workers are conservative voters.

Yes the verbal stuff clearly targets the lowest paid but other shift workers can clearly see the writing on the wall.

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

Swagman wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:19am: As a Coalition voter I think they should leave it alone as well so after years of telling us that it is bad, you now want it left alone? that's what I like, a man of conviction  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

.....which is why I added.........


Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

It's just another ochlocratic policy that common sense cannot budge and talking about it just gives Labor the chance to wave their hammer and sickle flag.

.....which in other words is pork barreling to the masses.....the one thing Labor do well (until they run out of money)  :D

Deregulating IR is an economic 'antibiotic', opposing it, is an electoral 'boiled lolly'.... ;D

Most of the the Public are like spoilt little kids, that prefer lollies to their medicine.   :D


John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

by the way, it doesn't matter if it's the fair work commissions call, if they scrap penalty rates, the libs will wear the flak

.....as always.  The Coalition makes the tough calls and cleans up Labor's crap, pays off the debt it accumulates and reduces the unemployment it creates and wears the flak.

Trashing workchoices scammed Labor into Govt and also created shite loads of debt and lifted unemployment by 50%. 

We never friggin learn..... :(

Quote:

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash said the idea was something the Fair Work Commission could adopt if it wanted to, but it had nothing to do with the Turnbull government. "The government has no plans to change penalty rates," Ms Cash said this week. "Penalty rates are set by the independent Fair Work Commission, just as interest rates are set by another independent body [the Reserve Bank]." But Labor's employment spokesman Brendan O'Connor has criticised Senator Cash and the Turnbull government for refusing to rule out the recommendation immediately. "If Malcolm Turnbull and this government does not want to support cutting penalty rates, then they can reject the recommendation of the Productivity Commission today," Mr O'Connor said. "But the minister has chosen not to do that."

We know what the current government really means when they say they have "no plans" to do something ... they end up trying to do it, sometimes within months. "No plans" for the doctor tax in January 2014, ended up in the May 2014 budget. "We have no plans" really means "we will consider it".

Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

which in other words is pork barreling to the masses.....the one thing Labor do well (until they run out of money)

didn't you just suggest that the libs do the same?  :D :D :D

Its time wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

Wait till Swag and Cods see it , cue meltdowns and tangents about Shorten .

ahhhhh sorry to disappoint the sour grape..

dont work dont care..

I am getting more like you every day...

it doesnt affect me!!!!!!  therefor I couldnt careless... :) :) :)

have a nice day... well you can try

I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well.

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company.

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

People like Swag and Aqua forget after they have screwed all the low hanging fruit  "They will come to get you next"

Voters not happy in Conservative seats about cutting penalty rates why?.................  Because these days the only jobs their kids can get are in the sectors affected

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company.

Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like.

If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days.  And what's the problem with paying tax?  Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence.  People shouldn't pay tax??

So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax. 

"Penalty rates are set by the independent Fair Work Commission,"

Which the government just happens to stack with some old mates, and which looks set fair for abolition by any real government in this country.

Looks like another bloated bureaucracy to me..... all on a sweet ride unearned.  Hope they are prepared for a salary cut for their deemed outside ordinary hours work included in salary.

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well. It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods.  no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well. It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream. You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods.  no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

Why is that?  the idea was that the I, Machines would take over the work and people would all enjoy the benefits of less work and more leisure without losing any prosperity...

So what we are looking for here is... What Went Wrong?  :-?

stunspore wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax.

Like the GST for example?.

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

turncoat won't commit to cutting penalty rates, at least not before the election ... if he does he'll see his numbers crash to Abbotts level

If he does not cut rates - then he win another term of government

That's good!!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 12:17pm: Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well. It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream. You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods.  no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet. Why is that?  the idea was that the I, Machines would take over the work and people would all enjoy the benefits of less work and more leisure without losing any prosperity... So what we are looking for here is... What Went Wrong?  :-?

they wanted more prosperity instead. Do you think you'd want to live in a 1950s lifestyle now?

stunspore wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 11:03am: Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company. Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like. If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days.  And what's the problem with paying tax?  Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence.  People shouldn't pay tax?? So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax.

You're forgetting a raft of other taxes that are paid with after-tax income with GST being the biggest impost. Add them all up and it's about 40%.

The point though is not that taxes are being paid, but that the value that employers take from the workers is comparable to the tax that the workers pay. In fact it's often more. The average worker could earn enough in a 20-hour week to meet their needs but they must work for longer because the company is skimming 50% of the value of the workers' labour for the company's owners.

The Libs have already got a pay reduction with the lowest wage growth in decades under their watch.

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 11:56am: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 11:03am: Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company. Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like. If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days.  And what's the problem with paying tax?  Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence.  People shouldn't pay tax?? So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax. You're forgetting a raft of other taxes that are paid with after-tax income with GST being the biggest impost. Add them all up and it's about 40%. The point though is not that taxes are being paid, but that the value that employers take from the workers is comparable to the tax that the workers pay. In fact it's often more. The average worker could earn enough in a 20-hour week to meet their needs but they must work for longer because the company is skimming 50% of the value of the workers' labour for the company's owners.

where do you get this drivel? out of your nappy?   when 20% of businesses are LOSING money at any one time how are they 'skimming'.

you still hate business owners dont you.  but that's ok. feelings mutual.

cue whine and run to moderator....

Maqqa wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

If he does not cut rates - then he win another term of government That's good!!

why? if he's too scared to do anything anyway whats the point of him being there?  ... is he there as a show pony, or is he there because he wants whats best for Australia?

If he believes cutting rates is best, he should pursue it rather than acting the spineless turd that he is.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

you still hate business owners dont you

careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

because he wants whats best for Australia?

......better than what's best for the Trade Unions....which is what the alternative PM is about....

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/49523d72-9771-4646-8e3d-aedc6c43f592.jpg

Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:52pm: because he wants whats best for Australia? ......better than what's best for the Trade Unions....which is what the alternative PM is about.... http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/49523d72-9771-4646-8e3d-aedc6c43f592.jpg

careful Swag ... you're starting to sound like cods.

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D

Haha, busted  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 5:54pm: stunspore wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 11:56am: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 11:03am: Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company. Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like. If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days.  And what's the problem with paying tax?  Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence.  People shouldn't pay tax?? So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax. You're forgetting a raft of other taxes that are paid with after-tax income with GST being the biggest impost. Add them all up and it's about 40%. The point though is not that taxes are being paid, but that the value that employers take from the workers is comparable to the tax that the workers pay. In fact it's often more. The average worker could earn enough in a 20-hour week to meet their needs but they must work for longer because the company is skimming 50% of the value of the workers' labour for the company's owners. where do you get this drivel? out of your nappy?   when 20% of businesses are LOSING money at any one time how are they 'skimming'. you still hate business owners dont you.  but that's ok. feelings mutual. cue whine and run to moderator....

Looks like your maria sock got banned. Diddums. Get over it.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:57am: I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well. It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century. Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists. People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream. You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods.  no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

I don't have aircon or heating, I love chops and 3 veg, could easily do with 1 car, for eg the SS Dunnydore has done about 12,000km since 2006. It's not really needed but is great for driving to Brissy or the Goldcoast, we use a little Subi B4 as a runaround but it's quite a capable machine on the highway too, just not as comfy.  My computer was bought by the school I worked for until last Chrissy. I do not have a mobile phone.

Now to find a job that only requires me for 13 hours a week.

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D

Nah!! The sex change operation was carried out in Bangkok. Big failure rate among the 'round-eyes'.

As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates.
Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day.

They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week.

That is how we operate in many countries.

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

. Now to find a job that only requires me for 13 hours a week.

...run for parliament

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries.

And....what that got to do with employees not under contracts of the kind you enjoy, Mr Hicks?  You know, those people who are effected by changes to penalty rates?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries.

Well thats not how we operate here , the Libs are welcome to try it on a second time after its  success in 07, but we both know that would be political suicide .

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries.

That might be fine for bigger companies, remember contracting is not working for wages. If you sign a contract to do that then you must fulfil your contract. PAYE wage earners contract(if you like) is that they are paid penalty rates for unsociable hours. If you thought that the remuneration offered did not compensate you for the strange hours, you would not sign it.

Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:39pm: . Now to find a job that only requires me for 13 hours a week. ...run for parliament

;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries.

you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D

ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles.

You may call it "lame" but it's spot on. Everyone knows that "maria" is your sockpuppet. It took less than three weeks to figure it out. You can keep denying it, but such denials only have value as comedy.

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D

I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's.

Bam wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. You may call it "lame" but it's spot on. Everyone knows that "maria" is your sockpuppet. It took less than three weeks hours to figure it out. You can keep denying it, but such denials only have value as comedy.

Fixed

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles.

And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor .

Bam wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's.

he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude.

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor .

not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:55am:

Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:11am: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's. he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude.

no more so than a million others who don't receive his salary  :D :D :D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:56am:

Its time wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor . not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it.

true ... but that's because publishers have people read through it and correct any spelling errors for you :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:55am: Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:11am: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's. he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude. no more so than a million others who don't receive his salary  :D :D :D

really?  and your degrees are....??

you just play the envy card so often it is pitiful to watch.

one day you may understand why OTHER PEOPLE make money and you dont.

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:56am: Its time wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor . not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it. true ... but that's because publishers have people read through it and correct any spelling errors for you :D :D

do you know what publishers do to authors whose works are filled with bad grammar and spelling mistakes? they throw it in the bin. editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake. that is all . they are there to hone a product, not rewrite it.

ok, so editors spell check it for you.

you got me longy ... you idiot  :D :D :D

Longy and swagz song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXyT1vy3BII

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:24pm:

ok, so editors spell check it for you. you got me longy ... you idiot  :D :D :D

no they dont fool. you are expected to have proof read and edited your own material at least 4 times. but typos and some grammatical mistakes can still get thru. that is what editors are for.

bet you've never written anything longer than 100 words and that was probably your confession to a cop.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:45pm:

no they dont fool.

and you call me a fool?  ;D ;D ;D

you admitted they check for spelling you idiot.

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:45pm: no they dont fool. and you call me a fool?  ;D ;D ;D you admitted they check for spelling you idiot.

i forgot you are too stupid and too ignorant and way too uneducated to understand even the most basic post.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:52pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:45pm: no they dont fool. and you call me a fool?  ;D ;D ;D you admitted they check for spelling you idiot. i forgot you are too stupid and too ignorant and way too uneducated to understand even the most basic post.

Where's your substantiation for that comment?

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:58am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:55am: Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:11am: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's. he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude. no more so than a million others who don't receive his salary  :D :D :D really?  and your degrees are....?? you just play the envy card so often it is pitiful to watch. one day you may understand why OTHER PEOPLE make money and you dont.

are you seriously going to pretend that everyone with a degree in accounting is on a salary of $350 k a year? ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:52pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:17pm: editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 1:45pm: no they dont fool. and you call me a fool?  ;D ;D ;D you admitted they check for spelling you idiot. i forgot you are too stupid and too ignorant and way too uneducated to understand even the most basic post.

no, your problem is that you are too stupid way to understand what you are even writing.  ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:55am:

Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:11am: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's. he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude.

Some I the dumbest people I have ever met meet that criteria.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:56am: Its time wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor . not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it. true ... but that's because publishers have people read through it and correct any spelling errors for you :D :D do you know what publishers do to authors whose works are filled with bad grammar and spelling mistakes? they throw it in the bin. editors will go through a manuscript and pick up typos, grammatical errors and occasionally a plot mistake. that is all . they are there to hone a product, not rewrite it.

What does a proof-reader do ?

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 4:17pm:

What does a proof-reader do ?

they're all bludgers, they drink coffee and have 8 hr lunches all day :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 4:17pm: What does a proof-reader do ? they're all bludgers, they drink coffee and have 8 hr lunches all day :D :D

My Mum was a proof reader. I can tell you that you didn't want her checking your homework too often.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 8:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 8:24pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 4:17pm: What does a proof-reader do ? they're all bludgers, they drink coffee and have 8 hr lunches all day :D :D My Mum was a proof reader. I can tell you that you didn't want her checking your homework too often.

whilst not a proof reader, my wife is shocking at it. ... whenever I send her an email, she sends it back with red corrections on it.  :o :o :o :o

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 12:16pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:58am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:55am: Bam wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:11am: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:44pm: As someone who has worked in commercial positions for quite some time, I am steadfast against penalty rates. Someone who works on a contract that has Sunday as part of their 5 day schedule should not be paid anymore for that day. They should be compensated through the 2 days leave earned elsewhere in the week. That is how we operate in many countries. you're on a salary .... your salary has the penalty rates built into it. And at a much higher rate than your company pays penalty rates to all those on the lower rungs of the ladder too. :D :D I would love to see people like Andrei lead by example and take a deep pay cut to remove the built-in penalty rates from their own salaries. What are the chances that any of them do this? Buckley's. he has skill, high education, determination and the balls to succeed.  you only have your whiny little attitude. no more so than a million others who don't receive his salary  :D :D :D really?  and your degrees are....?? you just play the envy card so often it is pitiful to watch. one day you may understand why OTHER PEOPLE make money and you dont. are you seriously going to pretend that everyone with a degree in accounting is on a salary of $350 k a year? ;D ;D ;D

that question reveals why you are a failure.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 2:50pm: are you seriously going to pretend that everyone with a degree in accounting is on a salary of $350 k a year? ;D ;D ;D that question reveals why you are a failure.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA

I doubt that anyone other than you can see that. The question does not look unreasonable in the context.

I notice he ignored the question ... he said something about being a failure?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:56am:

Its time wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor . not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it.

It wasn't you ... you took someone else's words, quoted large parts of it verbatim, summarised parts of it and passed it off as your own work. That wasn't writing, that was plagiarism.


Quote:

In general, throughout the work, what is new is not good; and what is good is not new. -- Reverend Martin Sherlock, 1781

If you're such a great writer, why is your punctuation so bad, your spelling so dicey and your grammar so poor?

not - capitalise words at the start of sentences.
they - pronoun does not agree with antecedent.
aren't - missing apostrophe.
why - capitalise words at the start of sentences.
waste - missing subject of sentence.
Did - missing subject of sentence.
belive - incorrect spelling.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 2:50pm: are you seriously going to pretend that everyone with a degree in accounting is on a salary of $350 k a year? ;D ;D ;D that question reveals why you are a failure.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA I doubt that anyone other than you can see that. The question does not look unreasonable in the context.

only a fool thinks that a qualification is the door to riches and power. however, only a fool thinks riches and power come without hard work effort and training.


all that was implicit in the statement and obvious to anybody with half a brain which is why neither of you understood it.

It was a litmus test for fools.  congrats!  you 'won'.

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 10:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:56am: Its time wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 7:53am: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 4:58pm: Bam wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:25pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase  :D :D :D Haha, busted  ;D ur analytical skills are as lame as always pebbles. And your spelling is still at grade 3 levels, professor . not in my books and articles they arent.  why waste great writing on you cretins?  Did that once and it was so good you drongos refused to belive it. It wasn't you ... you took someone else's words, quoted large parts of it verbatim, summarised parts of it and passed it off as your own work. That wasn't writing, that was plagiarism. Quote: In general, throughout the work, what is new is not good; and what is good is not new. -- Reverend Martin Sherlock, 1781 If you're such a great writer, why is your punctuation so bad, your spelling so dicey and your grammar so poor? not - capitalise words at the start of sentences. they - pronoun does not agree with antecedent. aren't - missing apostrophe. why - capitalise words at the start of sentences. waste - missing subject of sentence. Did - missing subject of sentence. belive - incorrect spelling.

the envy shows very easily pebbles.  ALL OF THE WORK was original and mine. The best compliment you and the rest of the cretins could ever pay me was to claim it was so good that it 'couldnt possibly be mine'!  it was kinda funny because you were happy to accept the authorship of the other entries - because they were lame to average.   there is a reason I am a multi-published author and you are not...


we could do it all again if you wanted but none of you stand a chance and none of you will even try.  you are pitiful.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:05am: John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 2:50pm: are you seriously going to pretend that everyone with a degree in accounting is on a salary of $350 k a year? ;D ;D ;D that question reveals why you are a failure.  YOU HAVE NO IDEA I doubt that anyone other than you can see that. The question does not look unreasonable in the context. only a fool thinks that a qualification is the door to riches and power. however, only a fool thinks riches and power come without hard work effort and training. all that was implicit in the statement and obvious to anybody with half a brain which is why neither of you understood it. It was a litmus test for fools.  congrats!  you 'won'.

Not too far to China - keep digging.

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