Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now.

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now. link

Not only but also:

Muslims with European passports are scrutinised by the US, Canada, Australia.
"Two days after the attacks in Paris, authorities at Melbourne airport refused entry to a French Arab man who tried to enter the country after flying from Abu Dhabi carrying extremist material and chemical mace."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/terror-checks-for-europeans-travelling-to-australia/news-story/584bdb49169d6f3227ff5b15a1cb6a1a

Religious profiling is a must.

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 1:35pm: Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now. link Not only but also: Muslims with European passports are scrutinised by the US, Canada, Australia. "Two days after the attacks in Paris, authorities at Melbourne airport refused entry to a French Arab man who tried to enter the country after flying from Abu Dhabi carrying extremist material and chemical mace." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/terror-checks-for-europeans-travelling-to-australia/news-story/584bdb49169d6f3227ff5b15a1cb6a1a Religious profiling is a must.

Go to youtube and search aus border force clips, aussie customs pull aside numerous nationalities

I remember when after the Boston bombing some idiot in charge of Boston's airport gave the order that no racial profiling of suspected Muslims was to be exercised by the staff.

Political correctness was to be strictly adhered to in the search for possible terrorists amongst the incoming passengers.

That sort of person should be fired from the job and then given a Singapore whipping for knowingly endangering the lives of fellow-Americans and every one else.

I was working in Bankstown when the order came through to the police that they were no longer to stop-and-search people for hidden weapons on the basis of ethnicity and racial profiling.

This sort of abuse of commonsense and intelligent practice is why the West will never win the war on homeland terror. It hobbles the police and everyone else on the frontlne of trying to identify and apprehend society's enemies.

I remember at the time thinking that if the Arab community here in Australia and over there in Boston find it objectionable and unacceptable that they are a priority in the search for Muslim terrorists, then the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that they are knowingly collaborating with the terrorists amongst them by having the security authorities banned from targetting people of their ethnic background.

If the vast majority of Muslim terrorists are red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men - then commonsense would have red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men pulled off the passenger lines for special attention at airports ... and it would be highly anti-social and uncooperative of red-headed Anglo-Saxons to petition the authorities to have this priority practice abandoned as a face-saver for their community.

These are your 'Moderate Muslims' who have objected to the practice of 'racial profiling' of passengers for the purpose of increasing the chance of discovering a terrorist.

This is where the plea that "We're Moderate Muslims and aren't given to extremist violence" shows itself to be utter bullshit in terms of helping the authorities be more effective in apprehending would-be terrorists.   

re Herbert's comments, post #3


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/0#0

Quote:

A FEW THOUGHTS... It is wrong to be right, in an evil time. It is wrong to call for what is right, in an evil time.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

I remember when after the Boston bombing some idiot in charge of Boston's airport gave the order that no racial profiling of suspected Muslims was to be exercised by the staff. Political correctness was to be strictly adhered to in the search for possible terrorists amongst the incoming passengers. That sort of person should be fired from the job and then given a Singapore whipping for knowingly endangering the lives of fellow-Americans and every one else. I was working in Bankstown when the order came through to the police that they were no longer to stop-and-search people for hidden weapons on the basis of ethnicity and racial profiling. This sort of abuse of commonsense and intelligent practice is why the West will never win the war on homeland terror. It hobbles the police and everyone else on the frontlne of trying to identify and apprehend society's enemies. I remember at the time thinking that if the Arab community here in Australia and over there in Boston find it objectionable and unacceptable that they are a priority in the search for Muslim terrorists, then the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that they are knowingly collaborating with the terrorists amongst them by having the security authorities banned from targetting people of their ethnic background. If the vast majority of Muslim terrorists are red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men - then commonsense would have red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men pulled off the passenger lines for special attention at airports ... and it would be highly anti-social and uncooperative of red-headed Anglo-Saxons to petition the authorities to have this priority practice abandoned as a face-saver for their community. These are your 'Moderate Muslims' who have objected to the practice of 'racial profiling' of passengers for the purpose of increasing the chance of discovering a terrorist. This is where the plea that "We're Moderate Muslims and aren't given to extremist violence" shows itself to be utter bullshit in terms of helping the authorities be more effective in apprehending would-be terrorists.

To stop people and search them on the street for no other reason than their race or religion constitutes unreasonable search and seizure here in the US. It's against the law to do it and we're protected from it by the 4th Amendment.

I'm so glad I live in a nation that is free as opposed to a nation of drones that don't know what liberty is like Australia.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

To stop people and search them on the street for no other reason than their race or religion constitutes unreasonable search and seizure here in the US. It's against the law to do it and we're protected from it by the 4th Amendment. I'm so glad I live in a nation that is free as opposed to a nation of drones that don't know what liberty is like Australia.

The knife culture here in Australia has been brought in by Turkish and Arabic immigrants during the past 60 years. Sydney had its 'Razor Gangs' - true - but the carrying of knives, and assault with knives, was a rarity before the arrival of these type of immigrants.

It's no use the government on the one hand boasting that Australia is one of the most multicultural countries in the world - but then going into denial and politically correct posturing when it's found that certain immigrant ethnicities have a tradition of carrying knives 'for protection'.

The cops concentrated on the Bankstown area because of the high concentration of young male Muslim Arabs in that area - and because of their high success rate.

Bankstown was the only place in Sydney where I discovered that Greek Milk Bars closed up at 6.00pm each night for fear of 'trouble' from wandering Muslim youths after dark. That was told to me by one of the cafe owners. 

And as for the US and the 4th Amendment - thank God the US police pay no attention to that Amendment - with the consequence that your jails are stiff with The Usual (racial and ethnic) Suspects that Donald Trump is sick to the back teeth with for the amount of crime they account for.

I watched a report on the family barred from entering America to go to Disney Land. One member of the family was reportedly a member of various terrorism websites while the father is being monitored online by various security agencies. There's more to these stories. If you are on a list that the Americans have written up you are barred. There's no use whinging about it either.

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

I watched a report on the family barred from entering America to go to Disney Land. One member of the family was reportedly a member of various terrorism websites while the father is being monitored online by various security agencies. There's more to these stories. If you are on a list that the Americans have written up you are barred. There's no use whinging about it either.

The Americans are WAY more tough on vetting people entering the country than the British are.

Unfortunately Britain's political leaders are apt to shy away from implementing any policies that might even vaguely be perceived as fascist and authoritarian - and hence that little island has the greatest concentration of terrorist sympathisers than any other country of continental Europe ... and hence London is no longer populated by a majority of white English people.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

The knife culture here in Australia has been brought in by Turkish and Arabic immigrants during the past 60 years. Sydney had its 'Razor Gangs' - true - but the carrying of knives, and assault with knives, was a rarity before the arrival of these type of immigrants. It's no use the government on the one hand boasting that Australia is one of the most multicultural countries in the world - but then going into denial and politically correct posturing when it's found that certain immigrant ethnicities have a tradition of carrying knives 'for protection'. The cops concentrated on the Bankstown area because of the high concentration of young male Muslim Arabs in that area - and because of their high success rate. Bankstown was the only place in Sydney where I discovered that Greek Milk Bars closed up at 6.00pm each night for fear of 'trouble' from wandering Muslim youths after dark. That was told to me by one of the cafe owners.

All completely irrelevant, stopping someone and searching them without any reasonable suspicion of a crime is unethical and infringes on their rights.


Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

And as for the US and the 4th Amendment - thank God the US police pay no attention to that Amendment - with the consequence that your jails are stiff with The Usual (racial and ethnic) Suspects that Donald Trump is sick to the back teeth with for the amount of crime they account for.

Not all police are like that here at all. In fact, that type of behavior gets cases thrown out of court. It also gets police officers shot by people defending their rights.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now.

Also looks like Obammie is going to deport thousands of illegals who recently came across the border with ICE raids

http://fairimmigration.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ms-raid2.jpg

A nice Christmas indeed. Free ticket home on the American taxpayer dime.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 1:51am:

All completely irrelevant, stopping someone and searching them without any reasonable suspicion of a crime is unethical and infringes on their rights.

Sorry, but you're way out of the Ball Park on this one.

We have Highway police here who randomly stop cars and stick a breathalyser tube in their mouths to check if they've been drinking too much or they're high on drugs.

Increasingly we have CCTV cameras in public places that spy on the public's activities.

All infringements of privacy.

And then just this year our police have been learning how to use those little drones that have cameras on them.

Stopping young Middle Eastern men to frisk them for knives is pretty much the same principle as stopping cars to ensure public safety.

Marla wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:27am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 1:35pm: Trump or no Trump - it's been happening on the quiet for some time now. Also looks like Obammie is going to deport thousands of illegals who recently came across the border with ICE raids http://fairimmigration.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ms-raid2.jpg A nice Christmas indeed. Free ticket home on the American taxpayer dime.

On a personal basis I can sympathise with these poor buggers, but they'll be back - of that you can be sure ... and that's exactly the way the American Ruling class likes it.

Hungary threw up a razorwire fence against the refugees trekkers in just a few days. The US has had decades in which to have an effective barrier against these Illegals.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 1:51am: All completely irrelevant, stopping someone and searching them without any reasonable suspicion of a crime is unethical and infringes on their rights. Sorry, but you're way out of the Ball Park on this one. We have Highway police here who randomly stop cars and stick a breathalyser tube in their mouths to check if they've been drinking too much or they're high on drugs. Increasingly we have CCTV cameras in public places that spy on the public's activities. All infringements of privacy. And then just this year our police have been learning how to use those little drones that have cameras on them. Stopping young Middle Eastern men to frisk them for knives is pretty much the same principle as stopping cars to ensure public safety.

Yes, all of the actions you mentioned may ensure public safety. But by the same logic you are using we could lower crime even more by installing cameras and microphones in everyone's cars to make sure no one is engaged in or planning a crime

Same with mandatory breathalyzers in every car which you need to blow into to start and if you blow above the legal limit, it won't start so that we can prevent drunk driving.

We could probably install something on everyone's computer to catch people learning how to make bombs and looking up child pornography.

All of these steps would increase public safety.. Do you support them too?

Lafayette wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Yes, all of the actions you mentioned may ensure public safety. But by the same logic you are using we could lower crime even more by installing cameras and microphones in everyone's cars to make sure no one is engaged in or planning a crime

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No one's saying there shouldn't be a reasonable balance between privacy concerns and the protection of the public from druggies, drunks, and knife-carrying sand-bunnies.


Lafayette wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

We could probably install something on everyone's computer to catch people learning how to make bombs and looking up child pornography. All of these steps would increase public safety.. Do you support them too?

You bet I do - just as long as it's child pornography and bomb-making but not copyright piracy.  8-) 

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

No one's saying there shouldn't be a reasonable balance between privacy concerns and the protection of the public from druggies, drunks, and knife-carrying sand-bunnies.

Yes, but if probable cause is taken out as the standard for being able to search a person's belongings. Then the standard becomes whatever the frightened majority want. That means that there will be no reasonable balance, there'll only be a balance based on fear, which means goodbye to your privacy forever and I hope you've had your anus bleached because Al-Qaeda tried to blow someone up with a bomb inserted up their butt. So be prepared to have your anus inspected on the street.

I can see you have been thinking about this a lot Lafayette. Can you explain why random butt searches did not happen after the last time a terrorist smuggled on up their arse?

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

I can see you have been thinking about this a lot Lafayette. Can you explain why random butt searches did not happen after the last time a terrorist smuggled on up their arse?

Because it hasn't happened enough times for something like that to be pushed.

Incidentally - journalists, politicians, and everyone in between are still knowingly and deceitfully referring to criticism on cultural and religious grounds as 'racism'.

This bare-faced deceit is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that Muslims everywhere have to practice as a defence against educated criticism of their religion.

link 

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 5:43am:

freediver wrote on Dec 25th, 2015 at 4:38pm: I can see you have been thinking about this a lot Lafayette. Can you explain why random butt searches did not happen after the last time a terrorist smuggled on up their arse? Because it hasn't happened enough times for something like that to be pushed.

So in your mind, how much terrorist butt stuffing has to happen before they push random butt probing on everyone? In your first revelation of this fantasy you implied it only had to happen once.

We'll have zips both front and back.

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

So in your mind, how much terrorist butt stuffing has to happen before they push random butt probing on everyone? In your first revelation of this fantasy you implied it only had to happen once.

Enough times for the fearful masses to question the intentions of and be afraid of every Ar$ehole sitting next to them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Incidentally - journalists, politicians, and everyone in between are still knowingly and deceitfully referring to criticism on cultural and religious grounds as 'racism'. This bare-faced deceit is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that Muslims everywhere have to practice as a defence against educated criticism of their religion. link

So you equate spitting on someone and insulting them to be educated criticism?

So we should be prepared to have our anuses inspected on the street because we take the public safety thing too far and you have a fantasy of a wave of Muslim terrorists with explosives in their arse? And this is from a Muslim who works in counter-terrorism?

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

So we should be prepared to have our anuses inspected on the street because we take the public safety thing too far and you have a fantasy of a wave of Muslim terrorists with explosives in their arse? And this is from a Muslim who works in counter-terrorism?

In a society where they don't give a damn about liberty that is willing to remove the standards to protect a person against unreasonable search and seizure anything is possible.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 5:58am: Incidentally - journalists, politicians, and everyone in between are still knowingly and deceitfully referring to criticism on cultural and religious grounds as 'racism'. This bare-faced deceit is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that Muslims everywhere have to practice as a defence against educated criticism of their religion. link  So you equate spitting on someone and insulting them to be educated criticism?

I totally disagree with this verbal assault upon the young lady - but her open and very public denial of Islam having any part in motivating these terrorist activities is writ clear-and-loud in her arrogant and ignorant insistence on wearing a hijab in public.

Announcing in public that she belongs to the same religion that motivated '9/11' and all the other atrocities since then - is just plain denial of the most stupid and ignorant kind.

She needs to put that hijab away - and GROW UP - and assimilate with the broader society as an assimilated, born-in-the-UK Britisher.

Enough with the head-cloths and beards.

Join the team - or bugger OFF!

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 9:30am: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 5:58am: Incidentally - journalists, politicians, and everyone in between are still knowingly and deceitfully referring to criticism on cultural and religious grounds as 'racism'. This bare-faced deceit is exactly the sort of intellectual dishonesty that Muslims everywhere have to practice as a defence against educated criticism of their religion. link  So you equate spitting on someone and insulting them to be educated criticism? I totally disagree with this verbal assault upon the young lady - but her open and very public denial of Islam having any part in motivating these terrorist activities is writ clear-and-loud in her arrogant and ignorant insistence on wearing a hijab in public. Announcing in public that she belongs to the same religion that motivated '9/11' and all the other atrocities since then - is just plain denial of the most stupid and ignorant kind. She needs to put that hijab away - and GROW UP - and assimilate with the broader society as an assimilated, born-in-the-UK Britisher. Enough with the head-cloths and beards. Join the team - or bugger OFF!

There's a better than even chance this never happened. There are a few tell tale signs of fraud, but The lack of detail in the story is the only thing that saves it from being upgraded from 'probable baloney ' to 'definite baloney'.

Nowadays there's a new kind of Council Ranger on the streets of my local neighbourhood who are paid through council rates and are called 'Rectum Rangers' - or unofficially - 'The Donut Inspectors'.

They specialise in random cavity searches in the main street, the shopping malls, and the big supermarkets like Coles and Woolies.

Due to complaints about these inspections frightening the horses, arrangements are being made to carry out these searching probes a little more discreetly than has been the case so far.

... wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

There's a better than even chance this never happened. There are a few tell tale signs of fraud, but The lack of detail in the story is the only thing that saves it from being upgraded from 'probable baloney ' to 'definite baloney'.

I believe it - and I believe there are lots of bogan English arseholes and 'soccer-hooligan' types who find the courage to 'sound off' when it's just a girl they're faced with.

I wouldn't mind if this idiot got a bit of a 'touch-up' by her male friends some time.

Protest rallies against 'multiculturalism' and the growth of ethnic ghettoes? Yes.

Demonstration marches against Islam and further annual quotas for Muslim immigration? Yes.

But abusing these people on the streets? Definitely not. 

Online? Yes.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 9:30am: So we should be prepared to have our anuses inspected on the street because we take the public safety thing too far and you have a fantasy of a wave of Muslim terrorists with explosives in their arse? And this is from a Muslim who works in counter-terrorism? In a society where they don't give a damn about liberty that is willing to remove the standards to protect a person against unreasonable search and seizure anything is possible.

as a counter terrerorism expert consultant you should know the circumstances under which a suspect may have a cavity search performed legally. What are they?

I believe similar things happen occasionally, but this particular case - nah.

A dishevelled, intoxicated man just stops his tirade when her friend 'confronted' him?  No mention of escalation or violence thereafter?  Not smacking likely.  That set the alarm bells ringing, then of course there's the fact the 'victim' is a young attractive female - the absolute least likely demographic to experience a problem in the first place - and then to push it firmly into the bounds of bullshit, the inexplicable absence of a single thirsty simp who'd stick up for a young, attractive female.  Yeah, I'm not buying it.

ian wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

as a counter terrerorism expert consultant you should know the circumstances under which a suspect may have a cavity search performed legally. What are they?

Depends on which country you are in and where exactly you are.

The argument here is not about what is legal. It is what infringes on rights. The point that I'm making is that when you remove an important standard such as probable cause to search the belongings of someone out and about on their business, and you replace it with the standard of doing whatever the hell you feel like, then anything becomes possible. The power of the state becomes unrestrained. Liberty is most certainly lost.

... wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

I believe similar things happen occasionally, but this particular case - nah. A dishevelled, intoxicated man just stops his tirade when her friend 'confronted' him?  No mention of escalation or violence thereafter?  Not smacking likely.  That set the alarm bells ringing, then of course there's the fact the 'victim' is a young attractive female - the absolute least likely demographic to experience a problem in the first place - and then to push it firmly into the bounds of bullshit, the inexplicable absence of a single thirsty simp who'd stick up for a young, attractive female.  Yeah, I'm not buying it.

Young Muslim women get attacked more often than Muslim men do, because Muslim women are far more visible than Muslim men are and are a weaker target.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

... wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 10:54am: I believe similar things happen occasionally, but this particular case - nah. A dishevelled, intoxicated man just stops his tirade when her friend 'confronted' him?  No mention of escalation or violence thereafter?  Not smacking likely.  That set the alarm bells ringing, then of course there's the fact the 'victim' is a young attractive female - the absolute least likely demographic to experience a problem in the first place - and then to push it firmly into the bounds of bullshit, the inexplicable absence of a single thirsty simp who'd stick up for a young, attractive female.  Yeah, I'm not buying it. Young Muslim women get attacked more often than Muslim men do, because Muslim women are far more visible than Muslim men are and are a weaker target.

That's one theory, but we'll just have to wait and see. 

Don't expect the report on it being a hoax to be anywhere near as well publicised as the initial accusation though.

... wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 12:36pm: ... wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 10:54am: I believe similar things happen occasionally, but this particular case - nah. A dishevelled, intoxicated man just stops his tirade when her friend 'confronted' him?  No mention of escalation or violence thereafter?  Not smacking likely.  That set the alarm bells ringing, then of course there's the fact the 'victim' is a young attractive female - the absolute least likely demographic to experience a problem in the first place - and then to push it firmly into the bounds of bullshit, the inexplicable absence of a single thirsty simp who'd stick up for a young, attractive female.  Yeah, I'm not buying it. Young Muslim women get attacked more often than Muslim men do, because Muslim women are far more visible than Muslim men are and are a weaker target. That's one theory, but we'll just have to wait and see.  Don't expect the report on it being a hoax to be anywhere near as well publicised as the initial accusation though.

Oh I wouldn't be so sure Honky - plenty of people will be all over it like a rash, you can be sure of that.

ian wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 10:15am: freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 9:30am: So we should be prepared to have our anuses inspected on the street because we take the public safety thing too far and you have a fantasy of a wave of Muslim terrorists with explosives in their arse? And this is from a Muslim who works in counter-terrorism? In a society where they don't give a damn about liberty that is willing to remove the standards to protect a person against unreasonable search and seizure anything is possible. as a counter terrerorism expert consultant you should know the circumstances under which a suspect may have a cavity search performed legally. What are they?

The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism.

Hold up FD - Baron's about to post his favourite video of the sheikh giving theological justification for jihadists to engage in anal sex in order to widen the anal cavity sufficiently to stuff explosives up it.

freediver wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism.

Well it depends in which country but generally, if you're in an airport going through customs or immigration then they can do the search without probable cause. If you're out on the street they must have probable cause with exigent circumstances, and a warrant.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 29^th, 2015 at 5:23am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:35am: The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism. Well it depends in which country but generally, if you're in an airport going through customs or immigration then they can do the search without probable cause. If you're out on the street they must have probable cause with exigent circumstances, and a warrant.

In the U.S.A. (which is pretty much a police state) the law can stop anyone for "RS" (Reasonable Suspicion) alone. And they can search you and detain you.

Marla wrote on Dec 29^th, 2015 at 6:03am:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 29th, 2015 at 5:23am: freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:35am: The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism. Well it depends in which country but generally, if you're in an airport going through customs or immigration then they can do the search without probable cause. If you're out on the street they must have probable cause with exigent circumstances, and a warrant. In the U.S.A. (which is pretty much a police state) the law can stop anyone for "RS" (Reasonable Suspicion) alone. And they can search you and detain you.

And in which country is that not the case?

Soren please go back to playing in your sandbox. Maybe mumsy will buy you a new toy if you behave yourself.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 29^th, 2015 at 5:23am:

freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:35am: The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism. Well it depends in which country but generally, if you're in an airport going through customs or immigration then they can do the search without probable cause. If you're out on the street they must have probable cause with exigent circumstances, and a warrant.

incorrect. Police  cannot perform cavity searches  under either of those situations. Try again.

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Cavity searches are all the rage among speleologists.

Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 24th, 2015 at 5:45pm: I remember when after the Boston bombing some idiot in charge of Boston's airport gave the order that no racial profiling of suspected Muslims was to be exercised by the staff. Political correctness was to be strictly adhered to in the search for possible terrorists amongst the incoming passengers. That sort of person should be fired from the job and then given a Singapore whipping for knowingly endangering the lives of fellow-Americans and every one else. I was working in Bankstown when the order came through to the police that they were no longer to stop-and-search people for hidden weapons on the basis of ethnicity and racial profiling. This sort of abuse of commonsense and intelligent practice is why the West will never win the war on homeland terror. It hobbles the police and everyone else on the frontlne of trying to identify and apprehend society's enemies. I remember at the time thinking that if the Arab community here in Australia and over there in Boston find it objectionable and unacceptable that they are a priority in the search for Muslim terrorists, then the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that they are knowingly collaborating with the terrorists amongst them by having the security authorities banned from targetting people of their ethnic background. If the vast majority of Muslim terrorists are red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men - then commonsense would have red-headed Anglo-Saxon young men pulled off the passenger lines for special attention at airports ... and it would be highly anti-social and uncooperative of red-headed Anglo-Saxons to petition the authorities to have this priority practice abandoned as a face-saver for their community. These are your 'Moderate Muslims' who have objected to the practice of 'racial profiling' of passengers for the purpose of increasing the chance of discovering a terrorist. This is where the plea that "We're Moderate Muslims and aren't given to extremist violence" shows itself to be utter bullshit in terms of helping the authorities be more effective in apprehending would-be terrorists.    To stop people and search them on the street for no other reason than their race or religion constitutes unreasonable search and seizure here in the US. It's against the law to do it and we're protected from it by the 4th Amendment. I'm so glad I live in a nation that is free as opposed to a nation of drones that don't know what liberty is like Australia.

Free? African Americans might not agree.

damien wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:27am:

Free? African Americans might not agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 9:53am:

damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE

On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy.

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:02am:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy.

Wash your mouth out. Racist.

Marla wrote on Dec 29^th, 2015 at 6:03am:

Lafayette wrote on Dec 29th, 2015 at 5:23am: freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:35am: The circumstances are a wave of gay jihadis smuggling explosive up their arse. We should be prepared for this, according to certain Muslims who work in counter terrorism. Well it depends in which country but generally, if you're in an airport going through customs or immigration then they can do the search without probable cause. If you're out on the street they must have probable cause with exigent circumstances, and a warrant. In the U.S.A. (which is pretty much a police state) the law can stop anyone for "RS" (Reasonable Suspicion) alone. And they can search you and detain you.

In other words, commonsense still trumps political correctness in the US. I'm disappointed you're still not allowed to discriminate with passengers at airport terminals when trying to search for hidden bombs and the like. Little Old White ladies are to be searched just the same as an Arab man with a big black beard and a Palestinian terrorist scarf around his neck.

Hopefully Donald with correct these anomalies once he gets behind the desk in the Oval Office.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:02am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy. Wash your mouth out. Racist.

Why all upset?

Hmmm ... Some interesting statistics here.

Mothra? Would you like to comment?


link

Helloooo ... ? Mothra? I can see your toes peeking out from behind the curtains there. Don't be shy. Just a word or two, please.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:55am:

Helloooo ... ? Mothra? I can see your toes peeking out from behind the curtains there. Don't be shy. Just a word or two, please.

I know what those two words will be- YOU RACIST!!!! :( :( :( :( :(

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:30am:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:03am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:02am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy. Wash your mouth out. Racist. Why all upset?

I'm not the one using racial pejoratives to describe innocent people.

I think you are perpetually upset tat the world isn't white enough for you.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

Hmmm ... Some interesting statistics here. Mothra? Would you like to comment? link

Hot air. As it is described.

What do you have to say about a middle aged black woman being shot dead by the police for holding a spatula Herbie?

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:51am: Hmmm ... Some interesting statistics here. Mothra? Would you like to comment? link Hot air. As it is described. What do you have to say about a middle aged black woman being shot dead by the police for holding a spatula Herbie?

Keep the Kitchen "hardware" in  the Kitchen beatch......

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:17am:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:08am: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:51am: Hmmm ... Some interesting statistics here. Mothra? Would you like to comment? link Hot air. As it is described. What do you have to say about a middle aged black woman being shot dead by the police for holding a spatula Herbie? Keep the Kitchen "hardware" in  the Kitchen beatch......

That's not the logical conclusion but i'm unsurprised it's the one you reached.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:07am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:30am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:03am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:02am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy. Wash your mouth out. Racist. Why all upset? I'm not the one using racial pejoratives to describe innocent people. I think you are perpetually upset tat the world isn't white enough for you.

Oh, because I used the word nagger. Why can't I? Black people call each other naggers. Stop being racist towards me.

Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy.

A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:46am:

Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy. A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator.

Why then do they call each other that word Mothball?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:47am:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:46am: Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy. A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator. Why then do they call each other that word Mothball?

Most don't.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:49am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:47am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:46am: Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy. A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator. Why then do they call each other that word Mothball? Most don't.

So you did a survey then? It's a very commonly used word amongst naggers.

Don't look for excuses. trying to justify your foul behaviour by pointing out the foul behaviour of other people is terminally desperate.

I know you are foolish, but don't be a wanker too.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:52am:

Don't look for excuses. trying to justify your foul behaviour by pointing out the foul behaviour of other people is terminally desperate. I know you are foolish, but don't be a person too.

NAGGER NAGGER NAGGER NAGGER!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

A scintillating argument. Did you strain yourself?

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:50am:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:49am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:47am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:46am: Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy. A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator. Why then do they call each other that word Mothball? Most don't. So you did a survey then? It's a very commonly used word amongst naggers.

Young Australian indigenous people also use that word commonly to each other. They ape US black ghetto culture a lot these days.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am:

Hot air. As it is described.

Google's a bitch, isn't it?


mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:08am:

What do you have to say about a middle aged black woman being shot dead by the police for holding a spatula Herbie?

She wasn't shot dead for holding a spatula.

But even so - it's utterly appalling - as with those other shootings, and it seems to be a clear case of "Shoot first and ask questions later". The relatives should be suing the Police Department, big time.

Butt! Under what circumstances did these shootings occur?

For years I've been an ardent fan of the American-produced documentary series 'COPS' - and what has always surprised me is how Americans simply DO NOT obey police instructions until they find themselves with a Glock gun-barrel or a .38 revolver thrust up their left nostril and nudging their eye-ball from inside ...

A guaranteed average of around 140 police officers get killed in the US every year. That's apt to make them a little skittish when out on patrol, especially where crackhead blacks are concerned, if you get my drift.

Little skinny white college girls suckin' on tokes ain't no problem to them officers, but crackheads in the hoods is somethin' else, ma'am - yessiree.

When a cop tells you to "STOP!"

Then ... stop.

When a cop tells you to "DROP IT!"

Then ... drop it.

When a cop tells you to "PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEAD AND SLOWLY WALK BACKWARDS TOWARDS ME".

That's what you do.

When a cop tells you to "STOP RESISTING ARREST!

Then that's what you do.

etc etc etc. You do what the goddamn cop tells you to do.

Over and over again I've seen suspects in police hands who STILL think they're in control of the situation and not the cops who have cuffed them.


Maybe it's this curious resistance to falling into line with police instructions that is causing all these black folks to get shot by skittish police officers.

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 11:59am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:50am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:49am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:47am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:46am: Most black people are offended by the word Lost Boy. A fact you would surely know if you weren't so preoccupied with the lowest common denominator. Why then do they call each other that word Mothball? Most don't. So you did a survey then? It's a very commonly used word amongst naggers. Young Australian indigenous people also use that word commonly to each other. They ape US black ghetto culture a lot these days.

So do the Pacific Islanders.

It's racism based upon colour.

Mothra - would you like to make a comment about that?

It's racism based upon colour.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Maybe it's this curious resistance to falling into line with police instructions that is causing all these black folks to get shot by skittish police officers.

This is exactly what the drug affected and stupid people do, they try to flee and dont follow instructions. Nothing to do specifically with race.  Darwins law in action.

ian wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 12:03pm: Maybe it's this curious resistance to falling into line with police instructions that is causing all these black folks to get shot by skittish police officers. This is exactly what the drug affected and stupid people do, they try to flee and dont follow instructions. Nothing to do specifically with race.  Darwins law in action.

Every US officer should have a stun-gun on his hip and a can of mace clipped to his belt.

Maybe even a mini-Flame Thrower for when things get a little crowded when they're making arrests in them black neighbourhoods ...

A can of squirtable Lighter fuel and a zippo each will do if the Department is experiencing 'budgetary constraints'.  8-)

Trump knows what to do -

he's going to send all of the Mussies back to where they came from.

Blacks only get to call each other "naggers". Anybody who isn't black causes feigned offence to them and dopes like Mothball when they use the word,...... notice I said feigned....

Fuzzball wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 12:58pm:

Blacks only get to call each other "naggers". Anybody who isn't black causes feigned offence to them and dopes like Mothball when they use the word,...... notice I said feigned....

Nothing feigned about it. Did you learn a new word?

Here's a few words for your next post mothball.......perpetual personification of a prat........like me..... 

Like you indeed.

... i wasn't going to say it.

You bit......grow up dopey.

Have you been tested? I say this with sincere concern.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Have you been tested? I say this with sincere concern.

Never took drugs in my life.....druggy.........have you.......been tested? ;D ;D

I also am sincerely concerned druggy...... :o :o

No prizes for second, Fireball.

mothra wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:03am:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:02am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy. Wash your mouth out. Racist.

Michael Moore! What a cartoon character! I love the fella. What other multi-millionaire dresses down to look like a bum from the Bowery so his audience will identify with him as a fellow-loser?  ;D

The Capeless Crusader.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 2:55pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:03am: the good ole boys wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:02am: mothra wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:53am: damien wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 9:27am: Free? African Americans might not agree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE On the flip side of the coin how many cops get killed by naggers each year Mothra?? That would get any cop jumpy. Wash your mouth out. Racist. Michael Moore! What a cartoon character! I love the fella. What other multi-millionaire dresses down to look like a bum from the Bowery so his audience will identify with him as a fellow-loser?  ;D The Capeless Crusader.

;D

Bruvva, can you spare a cape??

Meanwhile in Germany....





Officially defining immigrant crime as having been committed by individuals who count as “asylum seekers, tolerated foreigners, quota civil war refugees, and persons who illegally reside in Saxony”, the official report found overall migrant crime has risen 47 per cent.

This figure excludes the number of so-called “migrant law violations”, where individuals have entered Germany without permission as illegal migrants. As the German federal government recently admitted, there were now more migrants in the country than they were able to reliably count and keep track of, so the true number of migrant law violations may be difficult to ascertain.

In the months from January to September 2015, the Saxon government recorded some 4,695 immigrants as the prime suspects in crime committed, indulging in some 10,397 offences. This compares to 3,104 immigrant criminals and 7,029 offences in the same period over 2014, a 47 per cent increase.

While the left-wing Saxon interior minister Markus Ulbig insists the statistics prove “the vast majority of immigrants in Saxony behave legally”, what it also shows is the remarkably high offending rate among immigrants.

The figures show over ten per cent of all migrants in the Free State are suspected or convicted of criminal activity, while across the general German population those incarcerated resembles less than 0.1 per cent of the population.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/29/report-migrant-crime-47-per-cent-year/

In other words, "migrant" are 100 times more criminal than the native Germans. Astonishing.

They should stop the inflow of these invaders.

What the Germans are yet to discover in the coming months and years is that Arab Muslims are a very different animal to that of Turkish Muslims.

They are WAY more delinquent, undisciplined, and given to violence - and a hell of a lot less inclined to sign up for a job.

I can't when the patriotic Germans and the Islamic scum start fighting. It's not far off. It can't wait for it to happen here.

the good ole boys wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 5:29pm:

I can't when the patriotic Germans and the Islamic scum start fighting. It's not far off. It can't wait for it to happen here.

wait

Keeping Muslims out of any Western country would take massive changes in perception. It seems that we are happy to absorb a few hundred atrocities each year without any retaliation. But the problem is very close to home in the USA.

"God will not give Japan and Europe the honor of bringing down the United States. This is an honor God will bestow upon Muslims." Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Black Muslims, or Nation of Islam based in Chicago, and established in the 1930s.

The Black Muslim movement appealed to African Americans disillusioned with discrimination and their lack of civil rights. A perception that Christianity was a white religion began to circulate vigorously among young blacks in the 1960s. They saw themselves as Muslims enslaved by Christians.
But their embrace of the "Nation of Islam" did not take into account the historical facts.

Most African Americans were descended from those primitive tribes in West and Central Africa that had not been made into Muslims. In the southern part of West Africa, Black Muslims traded in ivory, gold, and slaves which they traded to small bands of European slavers who held small fortified stockades on the coast called barracoons. (The origin of the term for a black person.) The Black Muslim and Moroccan traders did not sell their own to the Europeans. On the east coast of Africa, the slave trade to the Middle East was entirely Muslim controlled. The trouble in Kenya and the Horn of Africa is an extension of that era.

If the average African American looked at history a little more closely, they would probably be less likely to trust Muslims.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:29pm:

If the average African American looked at history a little more closely, they would probably be less likely to trust Muslims.

I remember seeing a documentary in which American blacks were making 'pilgrimages' to the old 'Slave Coast' where their ancestors were sent off to America. Something like Jews now making pilgrimages to Auschwitz.

A highlight of the documentary was seeing their reaction to being told by the museum curator (a black guy) how it was that 300 years of slave trafficking was only made possible by a handful of African tribes who searched far and wide to capture more fodder for the slave trade.

Any black who got sick on the way to being taken to the coast was killed by the black slave-traffickers. One African chief actually built a wall made entirely out of the skulls of those whose poor health disqualified them as saleable to the ships' captains.

"Britain banned the slave trade in 1807 as their navy owned the seas. Any ships involved in shipment of slaves were sentenced to death."

This was horribly responsible for God-knows-how-many poor blacks being chained together by the necks like beads on a string and then simply dumped over the side of the ships like dropping an anchor whenever a British Man-of-War galleon was spotted approaching them from a distance.

But anyway, African-Americans have been finding it a huge shock to the system to discover that it was their own Negro Africans who made the 'African Slave Trade' possible for at least 300 years.

And then another shock has been experienced by some African-Americans who had decided to migrate to Liberia where a Freed Slave colony was founded by White Americans who bought tracts of land off the locals.

Today they're surprised to discover that those local Liberians don't want them there, and resent their presence for being culturally different and alien to themselves.


 

Meanwhile, the idíots who run Britain are allowing Muslim ISIS-wannabes to return back into the country instead of barring them from re-entry for life.

It's just unbelievable how the limp-wristed Ruling Class queers who are in positions of power in Britain are so way-to-the-left of public opinion on what should be done about these homegrown Muslim fanatics.

The British authorities are almost always acting in contradiction to public opinion. Their decisions on such matters are almost always counter-intuitive to commonsense in order to appease the namby-pamby liberal-progressives who hate Western patriotic nationalism in any shape or form.

link

Muslims are now being barred from a German public swimming pool because of sexual assaults - probably the first of many yet to follow suit - (sexual assaults elsewhere and swimming pools barring Muslims from entry).

"Oh! But it's only a small minority who grab someone's crotch!"

"Correct! And it's only a small minority of sharks that bite swimmers along Australia's coastline : Solution: Treat all the sharks the same ... Result: No more deaths or maulings".

"Oh! But it's only a minority of us sharks that are killing swimmers!"

"Then deal with them yourselves before they commit an assault".

A German leisure centre has become the first in the country to ban all migrants after a schoolgirl was sexually assaulted in a public swimming pool by Syrian teenagers.

Three Syrian boys were arrested earlier this month over the attack at a leisure centre in Munich as the country grapples with growing concerns about sex crimes perpetrated by asylum seekers.

In response to growing concerns, a leisure centre in Bornheim, North Rhine-Westphalia, has now barred all migrants.

The ban also follows an attack by an 18-year-old refugee on a 54-year-old woman in Bornheim, where he had grabbed her by the private parts and tried to kiss her.

link




 

Bobby. wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Trump knows what to do - he's going to send all of the Mussies back to where they came from.

That would be Detroit, Bobby.
http://chersonandmolschky.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/immigrants-on-welfare.jpg

How can Muslims remain Muslims, if they adopt Western objectivity and tolerance? This would be assimilation. Multiculturalism, as altruistic as it hopes to be, can only exist in countries without official or default religions. Therefore, Islam in the West can only exist at the courtesy and charity of secularism. But secularists need to regain the ascendency fast. Our assumption that our charity would not be used against us is proven wrong by the day.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

How can Muslims remain Muslims, if they adopt Western objectivity and tolerance? This would be assimilation. Multiculturalism, as altruistic as it hopes to be, can only exist in countries without official or default religions. Therefore, Islam in the West can only exist at the courtesy and charity of secularism. But secularists need to regain the ascendency fast. Our assumption that our charity would not be used against us is proven wrong by the day.

We are slowly being Islamised through the auspices of our own misguided decency.

I think what Trump spoke was not just about Muslims, but about all immigrants.

wildpineapple wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

I think what Trump spoke was not just about Muslims, but about all immigrants.

Ah.