Wong: ALP stands with Israel


THE Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Penny Wong, insists that the ALP has been a longstanding friend of Israel and will continue to be.

Speaking at the Executive Council of Australian Jewry’s annual general meeting in Sydney recently, she addressed concerns that the Labor Party’s one-time staunch support for the Jewish State on the international stage seemed to be wavering, and notably that there were factions within the party calling for recognition of Palestinian statehood outside of a negotiated settlement.

“To all those who question Labor’s support for Israel, I would say don’t just take heed of my words, look at our actions over the past seven decades,” Wong said.

“Our support for the State of Israel has been longstanding and is enduring.

“On the matter of the conflict, Labor’s platform has long recognised the right of Israel to live in peace within secure borders.”

Wong also reminded those in attendance that at Labor’s national conference the party did not resolve to recognise a Palestinian state, as was reported by some of the wider press.

She stressed that the party rejected the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign and noted it would only recognise a Palestinian state if there was a single Palestinian government that could enter into a binding peace agreement with Israel and that recognised Israel’s right to exist.

The Senate leader also addressed the current round of violence in Israel, describing it as a “new and horrendous manifestation of the conflict”.

“Labor condemns these attacks,” she said. “They must cease.”

Noting that the Australian Jewish community has been affected by the increase in terrorism across the world, she added, “All Australians have the right to go about their daily lives, to shop, to worship and go to school free from the threat of violence.”

In her closing remarks, Wong said the country and the ALP are enriched by the contribution of Australian Jewry. “Yours is a community that understands the importance of human rights, yours is a community that understands the need for tolerance, and you appreciate the hurt and lasting damage that hate speech can cause.

“I want to pay tribute to the contribution of the Jewish community to the campaign against changes to the Racial Discrimination Act that were proposed by the Abbott government.

“We would have been unlikely to have won that campaign without the Jewish community.”

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/wong-alp-stands-with-israel/50902


Lucky Labor are happy to look the other way on things like illegal housing.

Well done ALP

How much longer are we going to let the Jews milk WW2?

WASHINGTON -- The black flag of Islamic State may fly over the Palestinian territories should the Palestinian Authority and its president, Mahmoud Abbas, fail to maintain order, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Sunday.

Speaking to the Brookings Institution's Saban Forum, an annual Washington gathering on relations between the US and Israel, Clinton recommitted to the pursuit of a two-state solution: "A one-state solution is no solution," she told the forum. But she called on Palestinian leadership and the Arab League to recognize that, under such a scheme, Israel would be a Jewish state, alongside a sovereign Palestinian state.


http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/WATCH-LIVE-Clinton-talks-Israel-US-relations-at-annual-Saban-Forum-436456


By the ALP being an Israeli sycophant, they are aiding IS influence.

Unfortunately ALP are not too smart on foreign policy, especially when party donations trump.

Its time wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

How much longer are we going to let the Jews milk WW2?

..more than a tad

I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists.

Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic.

Labor sycophantically supporting far right politics of Israel ... is this a reflection of how far right Labor has shifted on the political scale?

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic.

I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens.

So you are shooting blanks with your lazy antisemitic claim.
Thanks for clearing that up.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:47am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens. So you are shooting blanks with your lazy antisemitic claim. Thanks for clearing that up.

Come back when the greens stop apologising for Hamas atrocities and agenda.

What the greens terrorist apologists support.

http://youtu.be/r1lMKX-Le1I

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:47am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens. So you are shooting blanks with your lazy antisemitic claim. Thanks for clearing that up. Come back when the greens stop apologising for Hamas atrocities and agenda.

No one has apologised for Hamas.

I's time for you to stop hiding behind Hamas so to try and shield Israel and her illegal activities.

Israel has hard right policies so in part designed to provoke violence against Israel.
Labor sycophantic approach towards Israel is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

A friend of Israel would warn Israel that the current path it's following will ultimately end up in the destruction of the State of Israel.

Greens are better friends of Israel because the Greens don't agree with the hard right politics that labor supports.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens.

Exactly. The Greens have long been anti-semitic and greens_win only underlines the point on a regular basis.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

What the greens terrorist apologists support. http://youtu.be/r1lMKX-Le1I

Hiding behind Hamas so to ignore the illegal activities of Israel.

Why are you scared of discussing Israel's illegal and hard right policies ... the same illegal and hard right policies Labor supports?

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:47am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens. Exactly. The Greens have long been anti-semitic and greens_win only underlines the point on a regular basis.

The only path of defending Israel's illegal activities is to call the other side names.

Because a frank discussion of Israel's hard right and illegal policies are indefensible.

I dare any of the Israeli apologists to have a debate on Israel's policies without name calling and deflection onto Palestinians.

If you are real friends of Israel, you will take up the challenge.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:52am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:47am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens. So you are shooting blanks with your lazy antisemitic claim. Thanks for clearing that up. Come back when the greens stop apologising for Hamas atrocities and agenda. No one has apologised for Hamas. I's time for you to stop hiding behind Hamas so to try and shield Israel and her illegal activities. Israel has hard right policies so in part designed to provoke violence against Israel. Labor sycophantic approach towards Israel is not the actions of a friend of Israel. A friend of Israel would warn Israel that the current path it's following will ultimately end up in the destruction of the State of Israel. Greens are better friends of Israel because the Greens don't agree with the hard right politics that labor supports.

The only reason that Israel has a right wing government is because the last time they tried a diplomatic approach it ended with Palestinians protesting in masses and doing suicide bombings on buses, thanks to the Hamas organising. 

The more Hamas exists, denies Israelis right to exist, teaches children to kill Jewish people, continues to send missiles, the more the Israeli people will vote for a right wing government who can use this for their agenda.
If the greens had any brains they would call for the abolition of Hamas as a ruling party, and see politics play out in an actual advanced democratic country.  By constantly apologising for Hamas actions, as the greens do, they serve only  to continue this mess.  But then that's what happens when the greens are constantly with the fairies.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:03am: What the greens terrorist apologists support. http://youtu.be/r1lMKX-Le1I Hiding behind Hamas so to ignore the illegal activities of Israel. Why are you scared of discussing Israel's illegal and hard right policies ... the same illegal and hard right policies Labor supports?

I'm not scared, I'm pointing out that ignoring the cause will do nothing.  By supporting a terrorist organisation, the greens only prolong right wing politics in Israel.  What a party of apologists!

So, do you think the Coalition winning candidate in Joe Hockey's old electorate - one Mr Zimmerman - was Tasmanian?   

Netanyahu’s racist call to right-wingers on Election Day to go and vote because “droves of Arabs” were descending on the polling booths ...


This is how the hard right won the latest election ... by connecting with rightwing racists and getting them to vote.

These are the tactics Labor are backing to the hilt.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:10am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:03am: What the greens terrorist apologists support. http://youtu.be/r1lMKX-Le1I Hiding behind Hamas so to ignore the illegal activities of Israel. Why are you scared of discussing Israel's illegal and hard right policies ... the same illegal and hard right policies Labor supports? I'm not scared, I'm pointing out that ignoring the cause will do nothing.  By supporting a terrorist organisation, the greens only prolong right wing politics in Israel.  What a party of apologists!

Israel's illegal housing /land grab, are these activities fuelling violence.
Could there be possibly faults on both sides?

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:09am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:47am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:44am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:42am: I see here is another antisemitic thread from the greens.  Typical terrorist apologists. Perhaps you could explain antisemitic ... and then explain how this thread is antisemitic. I don't need to explain anything to obvious terrorist apologists like the greens.  "They are only sending missiles in self defence.  Terrorists who demand the destruction of Israel in their own manifesto should be given a state.  Protagonism shielded as a defence strategy is okay by us".  Pathetic antisemitic, terrorist apologist greens. Exactly. The Greens have long been anti-semitic and greens_win only underlines the point on a regular basis. The only path of defending Israel's illegal activities is to call the other side names. Because a frank discussion of Israel's hard right and illegal policies are indefensible. I dare any of the Israeli apologists to have a debate on Israel's policies without name calling and deflection onto Palestinians. If you are real friends of Israel, you will take up the challenge.

Israeli actions falls within its domestic laws and while its behaviour during wars may be questionable because of proportionality, good luck proving illegality.

On the other hand, how noticeable it is that you completely ignore the fact that Hamas uses residential areas for war, an act in itself illegal.  Or claims defensive measures trough protagonist approaches. And of course let's not forget their encouragement for people to put on suicide vests. But hey, that's okay because how dare Israeli people democratically elect a government as a result of politics that has been poisoned as a result of terrorist activity at israels borders.  Let's not concentrate on the cause, let's just lecture from the side lines to the only party that can actually ensure a democratic end to this conflict.  Typical terrorist apologist greens. 

The only way the Israeli people will ever elect a government ready for a diplomatic approach is to rid Palestinian regions of terrorists to deny israels right to exist, and use people as bombs.

But the greens are too dumb to recognise that.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:17am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:10am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:03am: What the greens terrorist apologists support. http://youtu.be/r1lMKX-Le1I Hiding behind Hamas so to ignore the illegal activities of Israel. Why are you scared of discussing Israel's illegal and hard right policies ... the same illegal and hard right policies Labor supports? I'm not scared, I'm pointing out that ignoring the cause will do nothing.  By supporting a terrorist organisation, the greens only prolong right wing politics in Israel.  What a party of apologists! Israel's illegal housing /land grab, are these activities fuelling violence. Could there be possibly faults on both sides?

One wishes to destroy Israel and refuses its right to exist.
The other builds settlement on "disputed" Land. And was happy to end it until the other party decided to protest and do suicide bombings.

Yep. I know which one is at fault.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

Netanyahu’s racist call to right-wingers on Election Day to go and vote because “droves of Arabs” were descending on the polling booths ... This is how the hard right won the latest election ... by connecting with rightwing racists and getting them to vote. These are the tactics Labor are backing to the hilt.

And what has stemmed all this?  Of course, it wouldn't be that the nearest neighbour teaches its children to kill you and denies your right to exist.

The greens need to wake up and recognise who's bed they are sleeping in.

Quote:

Israeli actions falls within its domestic laws

Kerry censures Israel for illegal settlement activity



US Secretary of State John Kerry has criticized Israel over its illegal settlement activities in the Palestinian occupied territories, calling the settlements an obstacle to a two-state solution.


http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/06/440507/-John-Kerry-illegal-settlements


How can you pretend this is not a major impediment to peace.

How can Labor also ignore this and pretend it's not occurring.
How can anyone trust Labor on foreign policy when they choose to be so blind.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:21am: Netanyahu’s racist call to right-wingers on Election Day to go and vote because “droves of Arabs” were descending on the polling booths ... This is how the hard right won the latest election ... by connecting with rightwing racists and getting them to vote. These are the tactics Labor are backing to the hilt. And what has stemmed all this?  Of course, it wouldn't be that the nearest neighbour teaches its children to kill you and denies your right to exist. The greens need to wake up and recognise who's bed they are sleeping in.

400 Palestinian children languish in Israel prisons

At least 700 Palestinian children between the ages of 11 and 17 have been arrested by the Israeli army this year, with more than half still languishing in Israeli prisons.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/166588/400-palestinian-children-languish-in-israel-prisons

There are faults on both sides ... and by pretending it's all one sides fault is not the action of a friend of Israel.

Labor should be ashamed of their sycophantic approach.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Quote: Israeli actions falls within its domestic laws Kerry censures Israel for illegal settlement activity US Secretary of State John Kerry has criticized Israel over its illegal settlement activities in the Palestinian occupied territories, calling the settlements an obstacle to a two-state solution. http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/12/06/440507/-John-Kerry-illegal-settlements How can you pretend this is not a major impediment to peace. How can Labor also ignore this and pretend it's not occurring. How can anyone trust Labor on foreign policy when they choose to be so blind.

I'm not pretending it's not occurring. I'm simply making the point that it isn't the first obstacle that needs to be tackled.  Fact is that  while Hamas continues to encourage violence against Israeli people, the Israeli people will continue to elect right wing governments.  History has shown us this.  The only way to a 2 state solution is to ensure the Palestinian state does not have a terrorist group as its government.

But you continue to ignore Hamas. Like the greens always do. Apologists.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:33am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:26am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:21am: Netanyahu’s racist call to right-wingers on Election Day to go and vote because “droves of Arabs” were descending on the polling booths ... This is how the hard right won the latest election ... by connecting with rightwing racists and getting them to vote. These are the tactics Labor are backing to the hilt. And what has stemmed all this?  Of course, it wouldn't be that the nearest neighbour teaches its children to kill you and denies your right to exist. The greens need to wake up and recognise who's bed they are sleeping in. 400 Palestinian children languish in Israel prisons At least 700 Palestinian children between the ages of 11 and 17 have been arrested by the Israeli army this year, with more than half still languishing in Israeli prisons. http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/166588/400-palestinian-children-languish-in-israel-prisons There are faults on both sides ... and by pretending it's all one sides fault is not the action of a friend of Israel. Labor should be ashamed of their sycophantic approach.

Well, no wonder Israel sees children as a threat to national security when Hamas teaches young children to kill Jews!  "Hi I'm Mickey Mouse. Go Kill Jews!"

Amazing that you would even bring this up!  It's clear the only solution can begin with eradicating Hamas.  There is absolutely no other way.  Stop supporting them!

Have the greens ever put their support for a Palestinian state on the basis that Hamas is not legitimised?
Of course not!  They are too busy waving feel good flags and being apologists for a terror organisation that teaches young children to kill and which uses schools and hospitals as targets, and who encourages people to put on suicide vests.

The greens hatred for Jewish people is clear.

Palestinians start suicide bombs in Israeli territory and Israeli people elect a extreme far right wing government to end the violence.  Greens say it's israels fault.

Hamas teaches children to kill Jews and subsequently Israeli military detains Palestinian children.  Greens response? It's israels fault!

Apologists!!!

It is up to the people of Israel who they elect as their Government which takes nothing away from their right to exist....When the Palestinian people elected a terrorist group to form their Government they ensured the conflict would never be resolved....By supporting Hamas the Greens are aligning themselves with a terrorist organisation....Good on the ALP and LNP for supporting Israel and rejecting Hamas....There will never be peace whilst parties like the Greens support terrorists!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

It is up to the people of Israel who they elect as their Government which takes nothing away from their right to exist....When the Palestinian people elected a terrorist group to form their Government they ensured the conflict would never be resolved....By supporting Hamas the Greens are aligning themselves with a terrorist organisation....Good on the ALP and LNP for supporting Israel and rejecting Hamas....There will never be peace whilst parties like the Greens support terrorists!!! >:( >:( >:(

Hear hear!  +50000

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's.

By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change.


As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine).

This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent on condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!!

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____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine.

Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace.

The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

The Greens have condemned violence on both sides.

Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes.

Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends.

Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack!

Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine.
This cycle has not worked and will not work.

This is not the actions of a friend of Israel.

All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel.

Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas.

Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with.

Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine.

Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews?  Friends help friends, after all.

Here you go Greens....Any more bullshit you would like to spread???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/state-and-federal-mps-condemn-israeli-military-attacks-on-gaza/5627690

::) ::) ::)

Greens supporters are more radical than their party!!!

https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/27/greens-targeted-boos-and-shoes-angry-pro-gaza-protests/

:-? :-? :-?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic.

Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed.
Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with

Hamas or Islamic State?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour. As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews?  Friends help friends, after all.

Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians

"Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting-knives-near-the-bodies-of-Palestinians-434952


Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State?

I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people.

And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour. As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews?  Friends help friends, after all. Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians "Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting-knives-near-the-bodies-of-Palestinians-434952 Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend.

Yes I bet the same story as Israelis on purpose defacating in Palestinian homes on the floor.  All was unsubstantiated

So as friends of Hamas, do the greens support and help with propaganda that may have been the reason this 16 year old girl wanted to be a martyr?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State.

And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS.

This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:47am: It is up to the people of Israel who they elect as their Government which takes nothing away from their right to exist....When the Palestinian people elected a terrorist group to form their Government they ensured the conflict would never be resolved....By supporting Hamas the Greens are aligning themselves with a terrorist organisation....Good on the ALP and LNP for supporting Israel and rejecting Hamas....There will never be peace whilst parties like the Greens support terrorists!!! >:( >:( >:( Hear hear!  +50000

Agreed. Given a chance, the Greens would operate gas chambers... again.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome?

so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b.

Ok, great policy greens!

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour.

I have NEVER seen you post anything in support of something ISrael has done. NEVER

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:14am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour. As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews?  Friends help friends, after all. Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians "Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting-knives-near-the-bodies-of-Palestinians-434952 Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend. Yes I bet the same story as Israelis on purpose defacating in Palestinian homes on the floor.  All was unsubstantiated So as friends of Hamas, do the greens support and help with propaganda that may have been the reason this 16 year old girl wanted to be a martyr?

Greens are the friends of the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people, as Greens are also friends of the Israeli people.

Greens condemn illegal behaviour on both sides.

As said many times prior ... and will likely have to be repeated many time in the future.

And what furphy world do you live in if you actually think IS wouldn't hate Israel if Israel gave in to Hamas demands?

IS hates Israel because Israel exists.  Israeli people could elect the Green Party and declare ice cream for everyone as a national policy and STILL IS would want to destroy israel.

Stop conflating issues and definitely stop trying to paint Hamas as somehow being a saviour of Israel or its allly. That's disgusting.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:14am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour. As friends of Hamas, do the greens help produce the Mickey Mouse videos to advocate for children to kill Jews?  Friends help friends, after all. Palestinian Authority claims Israel planting knives near the bodies of Palestinians "Israel has become professional in distorting the facts... accusing victims of its crimes that they were carrying knives or by planting a knife next to their bodies," said a PA spokesman. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-Israel-planting-knives-near-the-bodies-of-Palestinians-434952 Neither side are perfect and by pretending one side is, is not the action of a friend. Yes I bet the same story as Israelis on purpose defacating in Palestinian homes on the floor.  All was unsubstantiated So as friends of Hamas, do the greens support and help with propaganda that may have been the reason this 16 year old girl wanted to be a martyr? Greens are the friends of the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people, as Greens are also friends of the Israeli people. Greens condemn illegal behaviour on both sides. As said many times prior ... and will likely have to be repeated many time in the future.

So Gaza Strip doesn't count in your view of Palestine?


Hamass videos are unfortunately not illegal.  So again, do the greens help their friends with their production of these videos?  Would the greens support aid money being used by Hamas to make these videos?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome? so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b. Ok, great policy greens!

It's the world we live in.
How much does Israel desire longterm peace

How much do Labor and the Coalition desire longterm peace for Israel and Palestine?

Rather than pointing out particular actions, it's time for Australia to speak on all illegal activities of both sides, without exception.

Then Australia will be a good friend of both Israel and Palestine.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:23am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome? so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b. Ok, great policy greens! It's the world we live in. How much does Israel desire longterm peace How much do Labor and the Coalition desire longterm peace for Israel and Palestine? Rather than pointing out particular actions, it's time for Australia to speak on all illegal activities of both sides, without exception. Then Australia will be a good friend of both Israel and Palestine.

Australia will only be a good friend to both once Hamas is removed. 

The only way to long term peace is to not negotiate with terrorists.  I can't believe you actually just advocated picking a terrorist group.  Wow.  Demonstrates the greens mentality entirely.  I'm done.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

Greens are the friends of the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people, as Greens are also friends of the Israeli people. Greens condemn illegal behaviour on both sides.

that would be so funny if it wasnt so sick..

read your own title greenswin.. read a lot of other titles you have had...

we all know different..

once upon a time you only bagged the Libs On here now its both top parties...

we have all noticed... not one happy thread not one thread of encouragement .

everyone ANTI govt...always looking for something to whine about.. >:( >:( >:(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:34am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:23am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome? so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b. Ok, great policy greens! It's the world we live in. How much does Israel desire longterm peace How much do Labor and the Coalition desire longterm peace for Israel and Palestine? Rather than pointing out particular actions, it's time for Australia to speak on all illegal activities of both sides, without exception. Then Australia will be a good friend of both Israel and Palestine. Australia will only be a good friend to both once Hamas is removed.  The only way to long term peace is to not negotiate with terrorists.  I can't believe you actually just advocated picking a terrorist group.  Wow.  Demonstrates the greens mentality entirely.  I'm done.

Best way to counter Hamas is by removing it's relevance through real peace aimed actions and negotiations.

Then either Hamas will have to adapt or be replaced with more relevant political representatives.

If Australia where a good friend of Israel, the old parties would follow Greens lead.

cods wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:40am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:25am: Greens are the friends of the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian people, as Greens are also friends of the Israeli people. Greens condemn illegal behaviour on both sides. that would be so funny if it wasnt so sick.. read your own title greenswin.. read a lot of other titles you have had... we all know different.. once upon a time you only bagged the Libs On here now its both top parties... we have all noticed... not one happy thread not one thread of encouragement . everyone ANTI govt...always looking for something to whine about.. >:( >:( >:(

Now that's off your chest, got anything relevant to the topic to add?

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:34am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:23am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome? so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b. Ok, great policy greens! It's the world we live in. How much does Israel desire longterm peace How much do Labor and the Coalition desire longterm peace for Israel and Palestine? Rather than pointing out particular actions, it's time for Australia to speak on all illegal activities of both sides, without exception. Then Australia will be a good friend of both Israel and Palestine. Australia will only be a good friend to both once Hamas is removed.  The only way to long term peace is to not negotiate with terrorists.  I can't believe you actually just advocated picking a terrorist group.  Wow.  Demonstrates the greens mentality entirely.  I'm done. Best way to counter Hamas is by removing it's relevance through real peace aimed actions and negotiations. Then either Hamas will have to adapt or be replaced with more relevant political representatives. If Australia where a good friend of Israel, the old parties would follow Greens lead.

Aha, come back when you reenter the real world.

So the greens must believe the best way to deal with IS is to offer peace, give them some milk and cookies, and then do a peace dance, smoke a peace pipe, and expect them to become relevant in the world???

This is why the greens do not represent the real left.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:00am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:55am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Bullshit....How can any Government support Hamas....You can criticise Israel and its response to terrorism but fall silent of condemning Hamas....There can be no peace in this conflict while parties like the Greens support terrorism!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The Greens have condemned violence on both sides. Where as Labor and the Coalition turn a blind eye to illegal activities of Israel and both have voted ignorantly on Israel in UN votes. Both labor and the coalition are supporting illegal activities of Israel through their actions ... that's not the behaviour of friends. Friends of who, Hamas?  That's who the greens are friends with. Greens are the friends of the democratically elected governments and peoples of both Israel and Palestine. Greens are friends where as the coalition and labor are apologists for Israel's illegal behaviour. I have NEVER seen you post anything in support of something ISrael has done. NEVER

You have only been here 110 days Maria.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:37am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:34am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:23am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:20am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:12am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:08am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:06am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 9:03am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 8:50am: The biggest change comes when influencing one's own behaviours, not someone else's. By always reflecting on the other side's behaviour as justifying Israel's behaviour is just a crutch and a way of avoiding change. As far as Australia being the most productive and best of friends to both Israel and Palestine is for both the coalition and the alp to stop their sycophantic support of Israel and speaking honestly with and about Israel (and Palestine). This is why Greens are closer friends with both Israel and Palestine. Your argument is too academic and not realistic. In order to have any hope of resolving the conflict we need to look at what is the biggest conflict area. I'd say it's Hamas.  End support for a terrorist organisation and maybe they'll be hope for a proper 2 state solution, that removes illegal settlements.  But while terrorism continues to exists AND be allowed to control the area, realism tells us there will be no movement to peace. The greens need realism. That's what you constantly lack! Once again, you deflect from Israeli actions by pointing out behaviour of Palestine. This cycle has not worked and will not work. This is not the actions of a friend of Israel. All you are promoting is the rise of terrorism for Islamic State against Israel. Actually, id say any officially recognised territory being run by a terrorist organisation would have IS flooding in. That's what the greens are doing with their support for Hamas. Like I said, I concentrating on any roadmap to a solution.  You're concentrating on fluff, and in doing so are supporting a terrorist organisation.  Be realistic. Hamas and IS are diametrically opposed. Who do you think Israel has the best hope of living side by side, in longterm peace with Hamas or Islamic State? I'd say their best bet would be to live next to a neighbour who's government recognised israels right to exist and doesn't have as part of their constitution to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people. And your claim that Hamas is the better of 2 evils is bullsh1t given they aren't actually providing any stability to the area because they themselves are a TERRORIST ORGANISATION. The choice is real and it's either negotiating a peace deal with the Palestinian Authority or war with Islamic State. And if labor and the coalition were friends with Israel, they would constantly remind Israel that Israel's current actions are promoting the eventual war with IS. This could end with the complete destruction of Israel. How is this a good outcome? so the greens are demanding Israel pick either terrorist a or terrorist b. Ok, great policy greens! It's the world we live in. How much does Israel desire longterm peace How much do Labor and the Coalition desire longterm peace for Israel and Palestine? Rather than pointing out particular actions, it's time for Australia to speak on all illegal activities of both sides, without exception. Then Australia will be a good friend of both Israel and Palestine. Australia will only be a good friend to both once Hamas is removed.  The only way to long term peace is to not negotiate with terrorists.  I can't believe you actually just advocated picking a terrorist group.  Wow.  Demonstrates the greens mentality entirely.  I'm done. Best way to counter Hamas is by removing it's relevance through real peace aimed actions and negotiations. Then either Hamas will have to adapt or be replaced with more relevant political representatives. If Australia where a good friend of Israel, the old parties would follow Greens lead. Aha, come back when you reenter the real world. So the greens must believe the best way to deal with IS is to offer peace, give them some milk and cookies, and then do a peace dance, smoke a peace pipe, and expect them to become relevant in the world??? This is why the greens do not represent the real left.

As I have stated before, the best way to counter IS is for Australia to fine tune our own behaviour.

By diversifying from fossil fuel so to end our funding of IS via Saudi oil.
By countering the propaganda of Wahhabism by not supply funding (via saudi oil) and via promoting free education so recruitment is more difficult for IS.

etc etc.

We know that the current path of Israel is not geared to a peaceful two state solution.
We know by the coalition and labor being sycophantic in their approach to Israel. Australia while in the control of liberal or labor, isn't an agent of change, is an enabler of Israel's path to it's own destruction.

Labor and the coalition are no friends of Israel.

So your solution for IS is to end their money flow over a period of about 50 years, at a minimum. At least you arent suggesting we surrender to their demands.  Its a shame you dont see the hypcrisy in suggesting israel surrender to demands of a terrorist organisation.


The greens are lost.  I guess the good news, in the greens view of the world, is that itll only cost another 40,000,000 odd beheadings on current trends to defeat isis., the greens way.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

So your solution for IS is to end their money flow over a period of about 50 years, at a minimum. At least you arent suggesting we surrender to their demands.  Its a shame you dont see the hypcrisy in suggesting israel surrender to demands of a terrorist organisation. The greens are lost.  I guess the good news, in the greens view of the world, is that itll only cost another 40,000,000 odd beheadings on current trends to defeat isis., the greens way.

Australia can shift away from funding terror within a decade or two.
Depends if Australia sees the war with terrorism as a bonus or an impediment.
Seems the old parties  sees this as an opportunity to remove rights from Australians, to increase surveillance, to divide and conquer.

Perhaps this is why labor and coalition mouth a two state solution for Israel and Palestine while act out anything but.

It's all an act and both labor and the coalition ultimately hope on Israel's death.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 10:44am: So your solution for IS is to end their money flow over a period of about 50 years, at a minimum. At least you arent suggesting we surrender to their demands.  Its a shame you dont see the hypcrisy in suggesting israel surrender to demands of a terrorist organisation. The greens are lost.  I guess the good news, in the greens view of the world, is that itll only cost another 40,000,000 odd beheadings on current trends to defeat isis., the greens way. Australia can shift away from funding terror within a decade or two. Depends if Australia sees the war with terrorism as a bonus or an impediment. Seems the old parties  sees this as an opportunity to remove rights from Australians, to increase surveillance, to divide and conquer. Perhaps this is why labor and coalition mouth a two state solution for Israel and Palestine while act out anything but. It's all an act and both labor and the coalition ultimately hope on Israel's death.

A decade or two.  Can.  Maybe.

Gotta love green policy.

Compared to Labor and Coalition policy on Israel. Back Israel to the hilt, right up to Israel's destruction.

Labor and coalition are no friends of Israel.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Compared to Labor and Coalition policy on Israel. Back Israel to the hilt, right up to Israel's destruction. Labor and coalition are no friends of Israel.

You are right, better to surrender to terrorists and help them make videos for children, promoting killing of jewish people.  The greens policy.

You are the one surrendering to terrorists by accepting Israel's illegal activities unchallenged.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

You are the one surrendering to terrorists by accepting Israel's illegal activities unchallenged.

Israel are a terrorist organisation?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:22am: You are the one surrendering to terrorists by accepting Israel's illegal activities unchallenged. Israel are a terrorist organisation?

Illegal acts are terrorist acts.
You are promoting these illegal acts and so are not a friend of Israel.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:24am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:22am: You are the one surrendering to terrorists by accepting Israel's illegal activities unchallenged. Israel are a terrorist organisation? Illegal acts are terrorist acts. You are promoting these illegal acts and so are not a friend of Israel.

Israel is a terrorist organisation.  A greens policy.

Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html

You said that.

I said illegal acts are terrorist acts.
You then connected Israel with [b]acts illegally[/b


You are making progress.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere. http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html

Support the Palestinian democratically elected government and not illegal activities.

Too difficult to comprehend?

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

You said that. I said illegal acts are terrorist acts. You then connected Israel with [b]acts illegally[/b You are making progress.

Every unguided rocket fired into Israel from Palestine is a war crime.

The Greens are silent on the thousands of war crimes done by their mates in Palestine.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:38am: Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere. http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html Palestinian democratically elected government.

You didnt get it.
Ok, keep living in your furphy world.  Enjoy supporting terrorism, continuing the conflict, and educating children to kill jewish people.  Well done greens.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:38am: You said that. I said illegal acts are terrorist acts. You then connected Israel with [b]acts illegally[/b You are making progress. Every unguided rocket fired into Israel from Palestine is a war crime. The Greens are silent on the thousands of war crimes done by their mates in Palestine.

Start a thread on Palestine.
And then Palestine can be discussed there.
Meanwhile stop trying to deflect away from the behaviour of Israel and the sycophantic labor and coalition parties.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

You said that. I said illegal acts are terrorist acts. You then connected Israel with [b]acts illegally[/b You are making progress.

Aha, sure.  The greens believe israel is a terrorist organisation.   Well done, greens.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:41am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:39am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:38am: Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere. http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html Palestinian democratically elected government. You didnt get it. Ok, keep living in your furphy world.  Enjoy supporting terrorism, continuing the conflict, and educating children to kill jewish people.  Well done greens.

It's not exclusively jewish people being killed.
And it's not me supporting the status quo, it is you.

I desire change by Australia being less the sycophant liberal and labor parties and move towards being a proper friend of Israel. Then lead them to peace talks rather than the current path towards the destruction of the Israeli State.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:41am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:39am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:38am: Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere. http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html Palestinian democratically elected government. You didnt get it. Ok, keep living in your furphy world.  Enjoy supporting terrorism, continuing the conflict, and educating children to kill jewish people.  Well done greens. It's not exclusively jewish people being killed. And it's not me supporting the status quo, it is you. I desire change by Australia being less the sycophant liberal and labor parties and move towards being a proper friend of Israel. Then lead them to peace talks rather than the current path towards the destruction of the Israeli State.

Stop assuming Israel is the problem.  Greens need to stop sympathising with hamas.

No side is the innocent victim and by pretending Israel is, is not assisting towards a peaceful outcome.
This is why both coalition and alp's sycophantic approach is the actions of a bad friend.


Australia must change it's behaviour towards Israel to a position where Australia calls a spade a spade.
Without this, Australia is promoting a path to the destruction of the State of Israel. Australia is not currently working towards a peaceful two state outcome.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

No side is the innocent victim and by pretending Israel is, is not assisting towards a peaceful outcome. This is why both coalition and alp's sycophantic approach is the actions of a bad friend. Australia must change it's behaviour towards Israel to a position where Australia calls a spade a spade. Without this, Australia is promoting a path to the destruction of the State of Israel. Australia is not currently working towards a peaceful two state outcome.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation.   There is no negotiating.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:58am: No side is the innocent victim and by pretending Israel is, is not assisting towards a peaceful outcome. This is why both coalition and alp's sycophantic approach is the actions of a bad friend. Australia must change it's behaviour towards Israel to a position where Australia calls a spade a spade. Without this, Australia is promoting a path to the destruction of the State of Israel. Australia is not currently working towards a peaceful two state outcome. Hamas is a terrorist organisation.   There is no negotiating.

Hezbollah (Party of God) is another terrorist group the greens support.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:58am: No side is the innocent victim and by pretending Israel is, is not assisting towards a peaceful outcome. This is why both coalition and alp's sycophantic approach is the actions of a bad friend. Australia must change it's behaviour towards Israel to a position where Australia calls a spade a spade. Without this, Australia is promoting a path to the destruction of the State of Israel. Australia is not currently working towards a peaceful two state outcome. Hamas is a terrorist organisation.   There is no negotiating.

Palestinian Authorities are the government.


So on the current path of inaction you are happy with, what do you see the outcome.
Can you see a peaceful two state solution?

Israel’s Cynical Approach Is Feeding Unrest. Netanyahu Wants to Censor Social Media

Once it fell to politicians and diplomats to solve international conflicts. Now, according to Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, responsibility lies with social media.

Tzipi Hotovely, Israel’s deputy foreign minister, headed off to Silicon Valley to meet senior executives at Google and its subsidiary YouTube late last month. Her task was to persuade them that, for the sake of peace, they must censor the growing number of Palestinian videos posted on YouTube.

Mr Netanyahu claims these videos spur other Palestinians to carry out attacks, exemplified by the weeks of stabbings and car rammings against Israeli soldiers and civilians.

After the meeting, the foreign ministry issued a press release claiming Google had joined Israel’s “war against incitement”, and would establish a “joint apparatus” to prevent the posting of “inflammatory” videos. Google denied last week that any agreement was reached.

On other fronts of this so-called war, the Israeli army has shut down three West Bank radio stations, accusing them of fomenting unrest. And inside Israel, officials have shut a newspaper and a separate website catering to Israel’s large Palestinian minority.

Meanwhile, Palestinians, including children, are being arrested over their Facebook posts. Others accused by Mr Netanyahu of spreading terror-like incitement include Hamas, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian education system, Palestinian parties in Israel’s parliament and human rights organisations.

There is a deep cynicism at work here.

True, Palestinians are enraged by footage showing their compatriots shot or executed by Israelis, often after they have been disarmed or cornered, or – in the case of two teenage girls last month – badly injured.

But in many cases such videos are posted not by Palestinians but by ordinary Israelis or their government as proof of a supposed Palestinian “barbarism”.

Most Palestinian videos are simply a record of their bitter experiences of occupation at the hands of soldiers and settlers. It is these experiences, not the videos, that drive Palestinians to breaking point.

A “war on incitement” waged through YouTube and Facebook won’t change Palestinian suffering. But it may, Mr Netanyahu presumably hopes, conceal Israel’s brutality from the eyes of the world.

Unrest has escalated of late not because of social media but because Palestinians, faced with an Israeli government implacably opposed to ending the occupation, are losing all hope.

Israel’s generals have warned Mr Netanyahu that without a diplomatic process there will be no end to the attacks. Desperate to obscure this obvious truth, the Israeli right needs to blame everything apart from its own uncompromising ideology.

Israel’s battle against “incitement” is not just meant to deflect attention from the right’s failing policies. It is also a form of incitement itself, and it is no surprise the campaign is led by two masters of provocation: Mr Netanyahu and Ms Hotovely.

Israel has accused Palestinians of incitement for suggesting that Al Aqsa, the much-revered mosque in Jerusalem, is under threat, yet Ms Hotovely recently said her “dream” was to see the Israeli flag flying at Al Aqsa.

There was a reminder, too, of Mr Netanyahu’s own dismal record. An investigation was dropped last month against the prime minister over his warnings, using Israeli terminology for a military emergency, that Palestinian citizens were coming out “in droves” to vote in March’s general election.

A consequence of government-inspired incitement is an ever uglier climate. In many towns, crowds calling “death to the Arabs” barely raise an eyebrow any more.

The justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, has backed a bill to stigmatise Israeli human-rights groups that receive foreign, mostly European, funding. And the culture minister, Miri Regev, demanded that films showing in an Israeli festival about the Nakba, the Palestinians’ mass dispossession in 1948, be vetted for “incitement”.

Public meetings with groups such as Breaking the Silence, Israeli army veterans who want to shed light on the occupation, are being cancelled under police pressure.

Mr Netanyahu, meanwhile, is giving a free hand to far right news sites as they make false and pernicious claims.

One, Newsdesk Israel, took a four-year-old video of Palestinians revelling at their acceptance into the United Nations and repackaged it as footage of Palestinians celebrating ISIL’s massacres in Paris. Another fabricated report suggested Palestinian citizens were proselytising for ISIL by blasting its songs on their car stereos.

In fact, no target seems too big to avoid the Israeli right’s defamation – not even Europe, Israel’s largest trading partner.

Israeli politicians have misrepresented as a full-blown boycott the EU’s recent tepid move to label products from illegal West Bank settlements and thereby deny them special customs exemptions reserved for Israeli products. The right argues Israel is being uniquely punished by Europe, when in truth the EU has enforced economic sanctions, not just labelling, against 36 countries.

Incitement does indeed pose a threat to the future of Israelis and Palestinians. But it is to be found in the falsehoods promoted by Mr Netanyahu and his ministers, not the bitter truths being posted on YouTube.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-cynical-approach-is-feeding-unrest-netanyahu-wan

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

So your solution for IS is to end their money flow over a period of about 50 years, at a minimum. At least you arent suggesting we surrender to their demands.  Its a shame you dont see the hypcrisy in suggesting israel surrender to demands of a terrorist organisation. The greens are lost.  I guess the good news, in the greens view of the world, is that itll only cost another 40,000,000 odd beheadings on current trends to defeat isis., the greens way.

This thread just demonstrates the utter irrelevancy of the Greens to politics. They have no idea what they are doing. Their actual support base is only 2%. The rest are the protest votes which will move as soon as another sizable part of proteset appears.

Maria thinks she can outsmart everyone by her usual attempt to diverting threads away from their topic.


Yet the question remains ... those that support the status quo of Liberal and Labor appeasing Israel, not leading Israel towards peace negotiation, what is your longterm plan besides destroying the State of Israel?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:47am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:41am: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:39am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:38am: Maybe this will explain finally for you why supporting terrorits like hamas leads nowhere. http://www.theage.com.au/world/frances-farright-national-front-gains-in-regional-elections-20151206-glh1ir.html Palestinian democratically elected government. You didnt get it. Ok, keep living in your furphy world.  Enjoy supporting terrorism, continuing the conflict, and educating children to kill jewish people.  Well done greens. It's not exclusively jewish people being killed. And it's not me supporting the status quo, it is you. I desire change by Australia being less the sycophant liberal and labor parties and move towards being a proper friend of Israel. Then lead them to peace talks rather than the current path towards the destruction of the Israeli State. Stop assuming Israel is the problem.  Greens need to stop sympathising with hamas.

That will never happen. They are a party of anti-semites and truly stupid people. Every missile from hamas is excusable, but every response is a war crime.  Of course, nobody supports their position because it is just so foolish and at its care, anti-semitic.

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Maria thinks she can outsmart everyone by her usual attempt to diverting threads away from their topic. Yet the question remains ... those that support the status quo of Liberal and Labor appeasing Israel, not leading Israel towards peace negotiation, what is your longterm plan besides destroying the State of Israel?

We are all just waiting for you to make your first ever post supporting Israel.  IN anything. I am not sure you would even support ISrael's right to exist.

You are quite the insignificant loser.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 1:48pm: Maria thinks she can outsmart everyone by her usual attempt to diverting threads away from their topic. Yet the question remains ... those that support the status quo of Liberal and Labor appeasing Israel, not leading Israel towards peace negotiation, what is your longterm plan besides destroying the State of Israel? We are all just waiting for you to make your first ever post supporting Israel.  IN anything. I am not sure you would even support ISrael's right to exist. You are quite the insignificant loser.

I recommend you read what is written in the thread ... not what the voices in your head are arguing over.
If you do that, then you may be able to add to the thread constructively.

This sums up the ALP position on the Israel/Palestine question Mr Green....Penny Wong also rejected the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign of Israel against Palestine....From the OP....


Quote:

“Our support for the State of Israel has been longstanding and is enduring. “On the matter of the conflict, Labor’s platform has long recognised the right of Israel to live in peace within secure borders.” Wong also reminded those in attendance that at Labor’s national conference the party did not resolve to recognise a Palestinian state, as was reported by some of the wider press. She stressed that the party rejected the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign and noted it would only recognise a Palestinian state if there was a single Palestinian government that could enter into a binding peace agreement with Israel and that recognised Israel’s right to exist.

Here is what the Jewish Community thought of the ALP position....What specifically do you find is sucking up to Israel???

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/alp-israel-resolution-slammed/49128

:) :) :)

You could of posted that earlier !

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 3:46pm: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 1:48pm: Maria thinks she can outsmart everyone by her usual attempt to diverting threads away from their topic. Yet the question remains ... those that support the status quo of Liberal and Labor appeasing Israel, not leading Israel towards peace negotiation, what is your longterm plan besides destroying the State of Israel? We are all just waiting for you to make your first ever post supporting Israel.  IN anything. I am not sure you would even support ISrael's right to exist. You are quite the insignificant loser. I recommend you read what is written in the thread ... not what the voices in your head are arguing over. If you do that, then you may be able to add to the thread constructively.

SO you do NOT accept Israel's right to exist?


BTW this is a yes/no answer which I assume you will deflect from given your natural anti-semitic nature.

weirdo

Palestine Phil?
The country is called Israel.

There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas.
These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians.

Lovely people, honestly...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly...

I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre???

:-? :-? :-?

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 3:46pm: ____ wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 1:48pm: Maria thinks she can outsmart everyone by her usual attempt to diverting threads away from their topic. Yet the question remains ... those that support the status quo of Liberal and Labor appeasing Israel, not leading Israel towards peace negotiation, what is your longterm plan besides destroying the State of Israel? We are all just waiting for you to make your first ever post supporting Israel.  IN anything. I am not sure you would even support ISrael's right to exist. You are quite the insignificant loser. I recommend you read what is written in the thread ... not what the voices in your head are arguing over. If you do that, then you may be able to add to the thread constructively.

?  All you've said is you're a friend of Israel and that's why you refuse to acknowledge their right to exist, that Hamas is a terrorist organisation, and now have suggested Israel itself is a terrorist organisation.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-?

Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best.

GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best.

Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly???

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-?

Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:55am:

GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST.

Link?

____ wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link?

YOUR OWN STATEMENT.

If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it.

But we all know you wont.

Greens refusal to respond is further evidence that

GREENS DENIES ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST.


I thought gay-pink might attract a response from you better.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist.

OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!!


Quote:

Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state.

So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 7:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-?

I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever.

Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has?

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont.

I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour.
You made the claim, you prove your own claim.

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim.

Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements.

I know what I have written and longweekend69er's opinion written as a fact required proof to be classified as a a fact.

As of yet, neither he or you have backed up your opinion, so are not rational questions, and so do not require answering.


It's up to you to prove your claim, not me. 

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:28am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements. I know what I have written and longweekend69er's opinion written as a fact required proof to be classified as a a fact. As of yet, neither he or you have backed up your opinion, so are not rational questions, and so do not require answering. It's up to you to prove your claim, not me.

Your words are on the record.
You believe israel is a terrorist organisation and hamas are freedom fighters.

It's truly disgusting.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:33am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-? I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever. Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has?

For the first part Palestine has been mentioned in many ancient texts and the fact the USA and Australia will recognise Palestine along with the other 135 nations once it has reached an accord with Israel makes your claim absurd....Aboriginal people were granted native title because they are considered the first custodians of the land....Your whole argument is complete bullshit as usual???

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-vatican-recognizes-palestine-as-a-state-angering-israel-2015-6

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/pt/

::) ::) ::)

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim.

It's a simple question, anti-semitic-green.  Probably everybody on this forum other than you would support their right to exist, no matter how extreme their politics. BUT NOT YOU.

We call you anti-semitic for very good reasons.  And this is one of them.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:28am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements. I know what I have written and longweekend69er's opinion written as a fact required proof to be classified as a a fact. As of yet, neither he or you have backed up your opinion, so are not rational questions, and so do not require answering. It's up to you to prove your claim, not me.  Your words are on the record. You believe israel is a terrorist organisation and hamas are freedom fighters. It's truly disgusting.

Illegal activities like stealing land is like that act of terrorism.
How is that stating Israel is a terror orgaination.

Also I state continually, the Palestinian Authority are democratically elected.

And have also stated that Israel has the choice of dealing with the Palestinian Authority or Islamic State. Which would be the better chance of Israel's path of a two state solution where both states live in peace, side by side.

Me think, you have no rational argument and so troll to try and make yourselves (both you and longweekend69er) relevant to the thread.


Now when making claims of what I say, please have the decency to have actual proof, and not just here say.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:33am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-? I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever. Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has? For the first part Palestine has been mentioned in many ancient texts and the fact the USA and Australia will recognise Palestine along with the other 135 nations once it has reached an accord with Israel makes your claim absurd....Aboriginal people were granted native title because they are considered the first custodians of the land....Your whole argument is complete bullshit as usual??? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html http://www.businessinsider.com/the-vatican-recognizes-palestine-as-a-state-angering-israel-2015-6 http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/pt/ ::) ::) ::)

I dont care what you or anyone else says. PALESTINE IS NOT A COUNTRY.  IT DOES NOT EXIST.  It is a broad geographical location.  A people group may (or may not) consider that they are part of the 'palestinian people', but there is still no country. Recognising them as a people is one thing. Recognising an actual country that does not exist is a pointless exercise.

Find it on a map and I will change my mind.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. It's a simple question, anti-semitic-green.  Probably everybody on this forum other than you would support their right to exist, no matter how extreme their politics. BUT NOT YOU. We call you anti-semitic for very good reasons.  And this is one of them.

Using 'we' to try and back up your weak position.
I am only aware of two posters making the claim and both having ulterior motives. i.e losing to me in so many previous debates.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:51am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:33am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-? I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever. Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has? For the first part Palestine has been mentioned in many ancient texts and the fact the USA and Australia will recognise Palestine along with the other 135 nations once it has reached an accord with Israel makes your claim absurd....Aboriginal people were granted native title because they are considered the first custodians of the land....Your whole argument is complete bullshit as usual??? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html http://www.businessinsider.com/the-vatican-recognizes-palestine-as-a-state-angering-israel-2015-6 http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/pt/ ::) ::) ::) I dont care what you or anyone else says. PALESTINE IS NOT A COUNTRY.  IT DOES NOT EXIST.  It is a broad geographical location.  A people group may (or may not) consider that they are part of the 'palestinian people', but there is still no country. Recognising them as a people is one thing. Recognising an actual country that does not exist is a pointless exercise. Find it on a map and I will change my mind.

These are maps and references to Palestine in ancient texts in the links I provided....There is also overwhelming consensus by 135 States to the recognition of a Palestinian State....How do you reconcile the existence of God without a map Maria???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:07am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:51am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:33am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-? I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever. Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has? For the first part Palestine has been mentioned in many ancient texts and the fact the USA and Australia will recognise Palestine along with the other 135 nations once it has reached an accord with Israel makes your claim absurd....Aboriginal people were granted native title because they are considered the first custodians of the land....Your whole argument is complete bullshit as usual??? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html http://www.businessinsider.com/the-vatican-recognizes-palestine-as-a-state-angering-israel-2015-6 http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/pt/ ::) ::) ::) I dont care what you or anyone else says. PALESTINE IS NOT A COUNTRY.  IT DOES NOT EXIST.  It is a broad geographical location.  A people group may (or may not) consider that they are part of the 'palestinian people', but there is still no country. Recognising them as a people is one thing. Recognising an actual country that does not exist is a pointless exercise. Find it on a map and I will change my mind. These are maps and references to Palestine in ancient texts in the links I provided....There is also overwhelming consensus by 135 States to the recognition of a Palestinian State....How do you reconcile the existence of God without a map Maria??? :-? :-? :-?

Ancient maps is the best you can come up with?  The point is that there is no country called Palestine so any 'recognition' is symbolic and therefore meaningless in the real world. You might as well recognise the United Federation of Planets. That doesnt exist either.

____ wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:28am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements. I know what I have written and longweekend69er's opinion written as a fact required proof to be classified as a a fact. As of yet, neither he or you have backed up your opinion, so are not rational questions, and so do not require answering. It's up to you to prove your claim, not me.  Your words are on the record. You believe israel is a terrorist organisation and hamas are freedom fighters. It's truly disgusting. Illegal activities like stealing land is like that act of terrorism. How is that stating Israel is a terror orgaination. Also I state continually, the Palestinian Authority are democratically elected. And have also stated that Israel has the choice of dealing with the Palestinian Authority or Islamic State. Which would be the better chance of Israel's path of a two state solution where both states live in peace, side by side. Me think, you have no rational argument and so troll to try and make yourselves (both you and longweekend69er) relevant to the thread. Now when making claims of what I say, please have the decency to have actual proof, and not just here say.

Look at you squirm.  Terrible Hamas sympathiser.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:07am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 9:51am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:33am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:25pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:40pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:03am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 6:50pm: Palestine Phil? The country is called Israel. There is of course the Palestinian authority controlled areas. These are where the people elected a terrorist group and danced in the streets on 9/11 when the WTC came down killing thousands of civilians. Lovely people, honestly... I have no idea what you are responding to or what you are talking about....I am pretty sure Palestine is Palestine not Israel....Unless of course you are playing some semantic game that refers to ownership over 2000 years ago....Why go back that far Andre??? :-? :-? :-? Palestine does not actually exist. There is no nation or bordered country called Palestine. It is a cultural grouping at best. Really....So all these countries are recognising what exactly??? http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-countries-that-recognise-palestinian-statehood--xkVle9I-8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/11/07/map-the-countries-that-recognize-palestine-as-a-state/ :-? :-? :-? Easy solved. Go and find a map and locate the country called PALESTINE.  I dont care how many people or country recognise a CONCEPT or a WISH, you cannot recognise a country that does not exist. OK....I really could not care less and believe you and Maqqa are full of it....Believe what ever you like!!! Quote: Last week, Sweden became the 135th member of the United Nations to officially recognize Palestine as an independent state. So these 135 countries recognise something that does not exist because Palestine is only a concept or a wish....How deluded are these 135 countries but not surprising....Some countries do not recognise Israel so does it exist....The whole region is based on concepts or wishes that do not exist....It must take a lot of faith to fight for what you believe in even though it does not exist??? :-? :-? :-? I really do not care one iota what you THINK,  Palestine as a country does NOT EXIST. IN fact, it has never existed. There has never ever in all of history been a country called Palestine.  Palestine is the REGION encompassing israel and some of the lands around it.  The supposed 'recognition' is nothing more than a statement supporting a concept or a wish or whatever. Let me ask what you would think of the UN recognising the Aboriginal Nation. Would you not immediately say that it does not exist and in fact, never has? For the first part Palestine has been mentioned in many ancient texts and the fact the USA and Australia will recognise Palestine along with the other 135 nations once it has reached an accord with Israel makes your claim absurd....Aboriginal people were granted native title because they are considered the first custodians of the land....Your whole argument is complete bullshit as usual??? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html http://www.businessinsider.com/the-vatican-recognizes-palestine-as-a-state-angering-israel-2015-6 http://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/pt/ ::) ::) ::) I dont care what you or anyone else says. PALESTINE IS NOT A COUNTRY.  IT DOES NOT EXIST.  It is a broad geographical location.  A people group may (or may not) consider that they are part of the 'palestinian people', but there is still no country. Recognising them as a people is one thing. Recognising an actual country that does not exist is a pointless exercise. Find it on a map and I will change my mind. These are maps and references to Palestine in ancient texts in the links I provided....There is also overwhelming consensus by 135 States to the recognition of a Palestinian State....How do you reconcile the existence of God without a map Maria??? :-? :-? :-?

As much as I don't like agreeing with longie, Palestine was not a sovereign state.  It was a region, mandated to be administrated by Britain after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. 

Palestine should be a sovereign state today. Completely agree. However, not while terrorists govern the Gaza Strip with the intentions to destroy Israel.  No UN resolution should pass while Hamas exists.  Much to the greens disappointment, because they of course support terrorist organisations.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 10:04am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:58am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:50am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:28am: ____ wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:41am: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:01pm: ____ wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 4:03pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 7:55am: GREENS DOES NOT ACCEPT ISRAEL's RIGHT TO EXIST. Link? YOUR OWN STATEMENT. If you wish to clarify this with an unequivocal statement of ISrael's right to exist then go for it. But we all know you wont. I don't respond to blackmail in that it promotes the proliferation of the behaviour. You made the claim, you prove your own claim. Go back 2 pages in this thread and resd your posts.  Stop denying your own words. Man up and either admit you were wrong or stand by your statements. I know what I have written and longweekend69er's opinion written as a fact required proof to be classified as a a fact. As of yet, neither he or you have backed up your opinion, so are not rational questions, and so do not require answering. It's up to you to prove your claim, not me.  Your words are on the record. You believe israel is a terrorist organisation and hamas are freedom fighters. It's truly disgusting. Illegal activities like stealing land is like that act of terrorism. How is that stating Israel is a terror orgaination. Also I state continually, the Palestinian Authority are democratically elected. And have also stated that Israel has the choice of dealing with the Palestinian Authority or Islamic State. Which would be the better chance of Israel's path of a two state solution where both states live in peace, side by side. Me think, you have no rational argument and so troll to try and make yourselves (both you and longweekend69er) relevant to the thread. Now when making claims of what I say, please have the decency to have actual proof, and not just here say. Look at you squirm.  Terrible Hamas sympathiser.

That's all you have ... name calling?