http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/04/federal-judge-bans-schools-live-nativity-show.html

A federal judge has banished the Baby Jesus and the Three Wise Men from an Indiana high school’s Christmas musical.

U.S. District Court Judge Jon DeGuilio, appointed to the bench by President Obama, issued an injunction against Concord Community Schools on Dec. 2


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/02/judge-bans-high-school-performing-live-nativity-scene/76676294/

An Indiana public high school will not be allowed to portray a Nativity scene with live performers as part of the 2015 Christmas Spectacular, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Jon E. Deguilio granted a preliminary injunction in a federal lawsuit against Concord Community Schools, writing in the order that the show "conveys a message of endorsement of religion, or that a particular religious belief is favored or preferred."

"Accordingly, the court finds that the plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits on their claim that the inclusion of the living Nativity scene in the show, as currently proposed, violates the Establishment Clause," the judge wrote.

Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them.

Quote:

The suit was originally filed with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Indiana and Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), a not-for-profit that advocates for the separation of church and state, on behalf of a student who participates in the performing arts program and his father.

Agreed. Religion has no place in state education

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

U.S. District Judge Jon E. Deguilio granted a preliminary injunction in a federal lawsuit against Concord Community Schools, writing in the order that the show "conveys a message of endorsement of religion, or that a particular religious belief is favored or preferred."

I don't have a problem with anyone doing religious stuff, as long as they aren't discriminating against other faiths (by not allowing them the same rights), or getting government money for it.

I think the Satanic Temple have the best idea regarding these events though, everywhere one religion is promoted, they apply for equal rights for their religion, much to the hilarious outrage of fundamentalists everywhere.

The message is clear IMO....If you want children to learn about religion send them to a private school that teaches about the particular faith that you want your children to be indoctrinated into....If you want your children to get an education without this indoctrination send them to a public school....What is wrong with having choice???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

The message is clear IMO....If you want children to learn about religion send them to a private school that teaches about the particular faith that you want your children to be indoctrinated into....If you want your children to get an education without this indoctrination send them to a public school....What is wrong with having choice??? :-? :-? :-?

You mean like happens now..Bloody good idea  ;)

aussie100percent wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:49am: The message is clear IMO....If you want children to learn about religion send them to a private school that teaches about the particular faith that you want your children to be indoctrinated into....If you want your children to get an education without this indoctrination send them to a public school....What is wrong with having choice??? :-? :-? :-? You mean like happens now..Bloody good idea  ;)

100% correct....I fail to see what Maqqa is complaining about!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

100% correct....I fail to see what Maqqa is complaining about!!! :-? :-? :-?

We are a Judao-Christian society and we celebrate Xmas in remembrance to the birth of Christ

The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ

Schools put these plays together to bring the community together in celebration.

We seem to be putting prayer rooms in then taking out Nativity i.e. inclusive of the minority but then excluding the majority

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:07am: 100% correct....I fail to see what Maqqa is complaining about!!! :-? :-? :-? We are a Judao-Christian society and we celebrate Xmas in remembrance to the birth of Christ The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ Schools put these plays together to bring the community together in celebration. We seem to be putting prayer rooms in then taking out Nativity i.e. inclusive of the minority but then excluding the majority

No Maqqa. We are a secular society.

Baby Jesus and the Nativity scene has a place......inside the church and at faith based schools, but not in the public school system.

Keep public education secular, lest we have mad people blowing the schools up in the name of religion.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Baby Jesus and the Nativity scene has a place......inside the church and at faith based schools, but not in the public school system. Keep public education secular, lest we have mad people blowing the schools up in the name of religion.

So does that apply to all religions in Australia?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

We are a Judao-Christian society

You would like that to be so, but it's not true.

America believes it is (they invented that title for themselves) and if we are the 51st state of America, must we say we are too?

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:21am: Baby Jesus and the Nativity scene has a place......inside the church and at faith based schools, but not in the public school system. Keep public education secular, lest we have mad people blowing the schools up in the name of religion. So does that apply to all religions in Australia?

Fanatics from any religion, I suppose so.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:19am: We are a Judao-Christian society You would like that to be so, but it's not true. America believes it is (they invented that title for themselves) and if we are the 51st state of America, must we say we are too?

Yet you don't offer any evidence to back it

I believe the US is close to if not above 70% Christian and in Australia its about 60%

The early days were even higher

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them.

That's fine by all means

so Halal food in the school tuckshops/canteens goes as well .... right?

Gnads wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:19am: Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them. That's fine by all means so Halal food in the school tuckshops/canteens goes as well .... right?

Why? Should vegetarian food go? Gluten free?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

I believe the US is close to if not above 70% Christian and in Australia its about 60%

Most of Australia doesn't care about religion, even among those who claim to belong to a religion.


Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ

Well, you've clearly never opened a Bible.

This is the  Muslim iceberg that Muslim President Obama has created. It is division by stealth. The next 8 months won't come quick enough to see that ahole exit the White Office. A lot can happen in 8 months and I am keeping my fingers crossed that this ahole doesn't invoke his executive powers and bring the Fema Camps online, which he has been planning ever since he took office.

His reign has been chaotic, unleader like and just plain dangerous.

Stratos wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:19am: The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ Well, you've clearly never opened a Bible.

So which part of my statement did you disagree with?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

So which part of my statement did you disagree with?

That the nativity scene is a "recreation of the birth of Christ"

Read your Bible and see for yourself how almost every detail in inaccurate when compared to your standard nativity scene.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:06pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:19am: Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them. That's fine by all means so Halal food in the school tuckshops/canteens goes as well .... right? Why? Should vegetarian food go? Gluten free?

Are 'vegetarianism' and 'gluten intolerance' religions?

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:06pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:19am: Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them. That's fine by all means so Halal food in the school tuckshops/canteens goes as well .... right? Why? Should vegetarian food go? Gluten free? Are 'vegetarianism' and 'gluten intolerance' religions?

Is halal food a religion?

No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray??

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray??

Yes. And so do the Christian kids.

Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else.

But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then?

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then?

Religion shouldn't be.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:20pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then? Religion shouldn't be.

But it is. Muslims have a bunch of religious events that clash with work and school.

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:22pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:20pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then? Religion shouldn't be. But it is. Muslims have a bunch of religious events that clash with work and school.

Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:27pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:22pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:20pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then? Religion shouldn't be. But it is. Muslims have a bunch of religious events that clash with work and school. Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around.

Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash.

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

Muslims fast before EID.

How exactly do you think fasting during Ramadan works?

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:28pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:27pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:22pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:20pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then? Religion shouldn't be. But it is. Muslims have a bunch of religious events that clash with work and school. Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash.

No they don't Double.  They fast from dawn to sunset. They are perfectly well nourished.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:28pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:27pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:22pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:20pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:17pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:15pm: No religion in state schools hey. Do the Muslim kids get to walk out of class and pray?? Yes. And so do the Christian kids. Just so long as they don't thrust it upon everyone else. But Mothra, religion is in state schools. Why can't they have a nativity  scene then? Religion shouldn't be. But it is. Muslims have a bunch of religious events that clash with work and school. Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. No they don't Double.  They fast from dawn to sunset. They are perfectly well nourished.

No, the fast Mothra. They limit their food intake. It wouldn't be called fasting if they didn't.

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash.

You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D

You put Mothra's post with mine numpty. They fast nitwit. Look it up. I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. Why is it so hard to understand?

You remind me of people wanting to ban the burqa, but who can't even identify one.  Google things next time, before you embarrass yourself further.

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:47pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D You put Mothra's post with mine numpty. They fast nitwit. Look it up. I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. Why is it so hard to understand?

They fast from dawn to dusk Double.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:51pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:47pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D You put Mothra's post with mine numpty. They fast nitwit. Look it up. I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. Why is it so hard to understand? They fast from dawn to dusk Double.

How many hours is that Mothra? That's a long time not to be eating. The Coptics do this crap too. How do people work and kids learn when they are starving. At least they make provisions for diabetics , menstruating women etc.

Stratos wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

You remind me of people wanting to ban the burqa, but who can't even identify one.  Google things next time, before you embarrass yourself further.

So they don't limit their food intake Stratos???

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

So they don't limit their food intake Stratos?

No, they limit the time in which they can intake said food.  They can go home and eat a bucket of KFC every night if they want, just not during the day.

Stratos wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:59pm: So they don't limit their food intake Stratos? No, they limit the time in which they can intake said food.  They can go home and eat a bucket of KFC every night if they want, just not during the day.

Wake up to yourself. They FAST. Fasting is a time to strengthen the will by using hunger. You have no idea what fasting means.

And again, you are just showing your absolute ignorance towards to the topic.  The fact you are bothering to critisise a practice you don't know the first thing about is pretty funny though.

Stratos wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

And again, you are just showing your absolute ignorance towards to the topic.  The fact you are bothering to critisise a practice you don't know the first thing about is pretty funny though.

So if it does nothing to the human body then why are sick people, menstruating women etc exempt ?? Hmmmmmmmmmm! :-? :-?

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

So if it does nothing to the human body then why are sick people, menstruating women etc exempt ?

The same reason those people are advised to do hundreds of activities that regular people are perfectly safe to do  ::) 

(except menstruating women, I think that's a bit silly they aren't allowed to).

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:47pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D You put Mothra's post with mine numpty. They fast nitwit. Look it up. I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. Why is it so hard to understand?

yes, they fast ... from dawn to dusk, then they gorge, they go to sleep, they get up in the morning and they gorge again.

I worked with a bloke who passed out too ... and he didn't even fast :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:51pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:47pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:31pm: Exemptions to be culturally inclusive do not "clash" with work or school. They are very easy to work around. Muslims fast before EID. They have days off because they are so damned weak. Imagine how lack of proper food must affect their learning. That must clash. You have no friggen idea of the reality around you, do you?   :D :D :D You put Mothra's post with mine numpty. They fast nitwit. Look it up. I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. Why is it so hard to understand? yes, they fast ... from dawn to dusk, then they gorge, they go to sleep, they get up in the morning and they gorge again. I worked with a bloke who passed out too ... and he didn't even fast :D :D :D

I'm feeling lazy and can't be bothered searching.......

How long does this fasting last?
Are they permitted to drink water during the day?

Alinta wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

How long does this fasting last? Are they permitted to drink water during the day?

Sunrise to sunset, for the length of Ramadan, and generally no.

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:21am: Baby Jesus and the Nativity scene has a place......inside the church and at faith based schools, but not in the public school system. Keep public education secular, lest we have mad people blowing the schools up in the name of religion. So does that apply to all religions in Australia?

Absolutely not. The Old Testament needs to be taught.

Burn them. Stone them. Smite them.

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:19am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:07am: 100% correct....I fail to see what Maqqa is complaining about!!! :-? :-? :-? We are a Judao-Christian society and we celebrate Xmas in remembrance to the birth of Christ The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ Schools put these plays together to bring the community together in celebration. We seem to be putting prayer rooms in then taking out Nativity i.e. inclusive of the minority but then excluding the majority No Maqqa. We are a secular society.

Maqqa,

I agree with what mothra said!!!         :o



Dictionary;
secular = = not religious, sacred, or spiritual.

Yadda wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:20am: Maqqa wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:19am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 11:07am: 100% correct....I fail to see what Maqqa is complaining about!!! :-? :-? :-? We are a Judao-Christian society and we celebrate Xmas in remembrance to the birth of Christ The Nativity is a recreation of the birth of Christ Schools put these plays together to bring the community together in celebration. We seem to be putting prayer rooms in then taking out Nativity i.e. inclusive of the minority but then excluding the majority No Maqqa. We are a secular society. Maqqa, I agree with what mothra said!!!         :o Dictionary; secular = = not religious, sacred, or spiritual.

Maqqa,

Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


No ?

Ugh. Every year.
:-?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8

Setanta wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:

Ugh. Every year. :-?

Like clockwork.

Yadda, mothra and phil

My assertion is that we are a Judeo-Christian society. If you look at the definition of Judeo-Christian you will find it means "to have moral/ethics based on roots/foundation on Judaism and Christianity principle"

You guys/gals collectively agree that we are a secular society. Secular refers to being separate from religious rules and teachings

I would disagree in that we are moving away from it.

Gay marriage is one such example

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not steal

Australia Parliamentary system is a Westminster System. This was founded in England during the time where Church of England was strongest

We still have prayers at the beginning of the day.

So we are moving closer to secularism but we are not a secular society

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:30pm: Ugh. Every year. :-? Like clockwork.

Shhh.. They'll think we're clones!

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Yadda, mothra and phil My assertion is that we are a Judeo-Christian society. If you look at the definition of Judeo-Christian you will find it means "to have moral/ethics based on roots/foundation on Judaism and Christianity principle" You guys/gals collectively agree that we are a secular society. Secular refers to being separate from religious rules and teachings I would disagree in that we are moving away from it. Gay marriage is one such example Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not steal Australia Parliamentary system is a Westminster System. This was founded in England during the time where Church of England was strongest We still have prayers at the beginning of the day. So we are moving closer to secularism but we are not a secular society

Spin Maqqa.

Do you want to be subject to secular law, based on reason, or some, any really, religious law?

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

Maqqa wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not steal

How many of the ten commandments do you believe our law should follow Maqqa?

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:09pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 12:06pm: mothra wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 10:19am: Good. Keep religion out of schools. Unless it is comparative study of them. That's fine by all means so Halal food in the school tuckshops/canteens goes as well .... right? Why? Should vegetarian food go? Gluten free? Are 'vegetarianism' and 'gluten intolerance' religions? Is halal food a religion?

"...any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law."

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23am:

any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law

Water is halal, are you "observing sharia law" by drinking that too? 

double plus good wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting.

I find that very hard to believe.  You worked?

I hope you shared your goat meat with him.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:18am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 2:51pm: I worked with a Muslim bloke who passed out at work because he was fasting. I find that very hard to believe.  You worked? I hope you shared your goat meat with him.

At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life.

double plus good wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life.

So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life?

I do laugh at the "religious" hand wringing over Christmas.

Not a single mention about Christmas being usurped by corporate interests for the making of money, oh no!

It seems that we either need to honour ALL religious holidays (regardless of faith) or ban ALL religious holidays regardless of faith. Now that would be the fair solution, of course I do not expect the devout and fanatical to grasp fairness as the concept to go with.

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:30am: At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life. So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life?

Nope. I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty.

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:30am: At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life. So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life?

He has to live next to an illegal tree lopper who kills goats in his backyard.

That's hard work.

double plus good wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:31am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:30am: At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life. So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life? Nope. I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty.

Ah I see. Business of course is innocent in all of this. I like the "utterly" bit too, that makes if far more serious.

Tell me, is it corruption that upsets you or the Union movement, it sure seems like it's the Union movement. Since you claim to have "always been a member" you must, by extension also be utterly corrupt - or very stupid. Which might it be?

Notably no mention of the hard work now though, just a bit of childish name calling - it's good to know what I am working with here.

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:34am: Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:31am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:30am: At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life. So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life? Nope. I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty. Ah I see. Business of course is innocent in all of this. I like the "utterly" bit too, that makes if far more serious. Tell me, is it corruption that upsets you or the Union movement, it sure seems like it's the Union movement. Since you claim to have "always been a member" you must, by extension also be utterly corrupt - or very stupid. Which might it be? Notably no mention of the hard work now though, just a bit of childish name calling - it's good to know what I am working with here.

Poor representation is better than no representation Di c kwad. I know loads of people who have had unions fail them. Pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:31am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:30am: At least I'm not some union scammer who's never done a hard days work in his life. So, reading between the lines here, you're a non union (scab) member who has never done a hard days work in his life? He has to live next to an illegal tree lopper who kills goats in his backyard. That's hard work.

What sort of backhanders do you get from your union buddies pecca?

Pecca gets cash backhanders from companies to give bad legal representation.

double plus good wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty.

If what you say is true, you are willingly funding corruption.

Why would you do that?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:34am: I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty. If what you say is true, you are willingly funding corruption. Why would you do that?

I already answered that.

"Poor representation is better than no representation Di c kwad".

double plus good wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:57am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:34am: I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty. If what you say is true, you are willingly funding corruption. Why would you do that? I already answered that. "Poor representation is better than no representation Di c kwad".

The Fair Work Commission can give you poor representation ... for free.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:02am:

double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:57am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:34am: I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty. If what you say is true, you are willingly funding corruption. Why would you do that? I already answered that. "Poor representation is better than no representation Di c kwad". The Fair Work Commission can give you poor representation ... for free.

You must be ashamed to work with unions. The businesses pull your strings and you all act like you are pulling theirs. Business always wins. How do you sleep at night Pecca??

double plus good wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 8:02am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:59am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:57am: double plus good wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 7:34am: I've always been in a union . And I know how utterly corrupt , useless and how much dirty dealing they do with businesses Numpty. If what you say is true, you are willingly funding corruption. Why would you do that? I already answered that. "Poor representation is better than no representation Di c kwad". The Fair Work Commission can give you poor representation ... for free. You must be ashamed to work with unions. The businesses pull your strings and you all act like you are pulling theirs. Business always wins.

When I'm on the case, the workers always win.

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:06am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 5:23am: any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law Water is halal, are you "observing sharia law" by drinking that too?

"Halal simply means permitted or lawful. So when we are talking about halal foods it means any foods that are allowed to be eaten according to Islamic Sharia law. This means that for any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law."

I googled 'halal' and this is what came up. No mention of gluten free or veggies or water...

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

must comply with the religious ritual

This only applies to meat.  There is no ritual involved for other types of food.


The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

observance of Sharia law

this is like saying that vegetarians are following Sikh or Hindu rules.  Just because you eat halal food (which you absolutely do) doesn't mean you are taking part in Sharia law.

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 8:40am: must comply with the religious ritual This only applies to meat.  There is no ritual involved for other types of food. The Heartless Felon wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 8:40am: observance of Sharia law this is like saying that vegetarians are following Sikh or Hindu rules.  Just because you eat halal food (which you absolutely do) doesn't mean you are taking part in Sharia law.

Tell it to Mothra...