Needed because too many cranks and fools had joined the denialist crowd and were destroying any rationale it had.

So—existing renewable energy generation is too expensive and windfarms are harmful to health so we should stop deploying solar/wind and do research. I guess the hope is to delay action against AGW for a few more decades, more profit for dinosaur assets.

Such at least is the thesis here:
http://etwasluft.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/innovation-only-climate-inactivism.html

'public acceptance of climate science is slowly increasing'

That wasn't the story the other day when there was wailing and gashing of teeth over ' opponents of climate change appear to be winning the war of words.'

global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. Denialists worked too well, so lets start a new group for them and call it.........

lol great thread

I guess you are one of those that got fossil fuel interests looking for a new form of denialism.

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

I guess you are one of those that got fossil fuel interests looking for a new form of denialism.

My interest in fossil fuel is to keep my and my childrens energy bill to a level that is cheap. I don't and will not subscribe to a pseudo science that uses manipulated empirical data and moving goal posts around when their failed models fail again.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change.

How old do you think the term climate change is?

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:51pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. How old do you think the term climate change is?

Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis.

No, how old specifically.  I'm just curious as to why you think such an old term is somehow been a recent addition to the scientific language.

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:59pm: Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis. No, how old specifically.  I'm just curious as to why you think such an old term is somehow been a recent addition to the scientific language.

He never said it was a recent addition.

Climate change never worked out for the loons so they generalized to cover any scenario and switched to screaming climate change. Which of course the bloody climate changes all the bloody time. The only ones in denial are the retards that have no life and spout this bullsheet.

Gore has made his money out of you retards so he won't be giving a rats ass.

I see what the article is getting at.

The loonie hippie cranks have by association damaged public perceptions.

miketrees wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

I see what the article is getting at. The loonie hippie cranks have by association damaged public perceptions.

I don’t know about “hippie” but yeah, RWNJs have so degraded the pro–fossil fuel movement attacking the science of AGW that the fossil fuel interests are looking for a new way to delay the move to renewable energy.

I have heard of denial, but I don't think it exists  ;D

cosanostra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:55am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:59pm: Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis. No, how old specifically.  I'm just curious as to why you think such an old term is somehow been a recent addition to the scientific language. He never said it was a recent addition. Climate change never worked out for the loons so they generalized to cover any scenario and switched to screaming climate change. Which of course the bloody climate changes all the bloody time. The only ones in denial are the retards that have no life and spout this bullsheet. Gore has made his money out of you retards so he won't be giving a rats ass.

Sounds like you are "IQ limited".

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change.

they're linked, one is the driver, the other is just ONE of the effects

don't you remember

it may be best if you apologise in writing and then implement a self banishment period of at least 48 hours.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. they're linked, one is the driver, the other is just ONE of the effects don't you remember it may be best if you apologise in writing and then implement a self banishment period of at least 48 hours.

Chimp,
apologise for being a media dupe.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 9:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. they're linked, one is the driver, the other is just ONE of the effects don't you remember it may be best if you apologise in writing and then implement a self banishment period of at least 48 hours. Chimp, apologise for being a media dupe.

I dont cite the media. I actually read peer reviewed scientific articles published in numerous prestigious Journals.

Have you ever done that Jethro?

Or do you exclusively rely on media Videos to construct your public sermons of lunacy and putrid foul stenching deception vomit?

You demand an apology and yet do not attach a self banishment punishment to this written apology.

Jethro is Afraid ladies and gentlemen

AFRAID OF THE TRUTH

AFRAID TO CLEAVE THE SHACKLES THAT Slaverise his pathetic spiritual convulsions with his master.

http://media.giphy.com/media/wuNm0Y6erUpJ6/giphy.gif

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Needed because too many cranks and fools had joined the denialist crowd and were destroying any rationale it had. So—existing renewable energy generation is too expensive and windfarms are harmful to health so we should stop deploying solar/wind and do research. I guess the hope is to delay action against AGW for a few more decades, more profit for dinosaur assets. Such at least is the thesis here: http://etwasluft.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/innovation-only-climate-inactivism.html

They, the powers that be, all want to play the forcing move of delay that makes Nuclear Power increasingly the only option.
This is the start of resource bottlenecks- the politics is whether or not the powers that be will let you use Nuclear Power or not. The pecking order for the new era is set by this.

Who can use Nuclear Power now? Why?

Who can use Nuclear Power in the future? Why?

Nuclear Power is used by states who can then make Nuclear Weapons... we all wait until the big dicks have sorted it out!

What are you going to do- complain?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Dec 5th, 2015 at 9:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. they're linked, one is the driver, the other is just ONE of the effects don't you remember it may be best if you apologise in writing and then implement a self banishment period of at least 48 hours. Chimp, apologise for being a media dupe.

climate change is an older phrase than global warming  ::)

cosanostra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:55am:

Stratos wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 11:16pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:59pm: Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis. No, how old specifically.  I'm just curious as to why you think such an old term is somehow been a recent addition to the scientific language. He never said it was a recent addition. Climate change never worked out for the loons so they generalized to cover any scenario and switched to screaming climate change. Which of course the bloody climate changes all the bloody time. The only ones in denial are the retards that have no life and spout this bullsheet. Gore has made his money out of you retards so he won't be giving a rats ass.

Gore was on David Letterman defending that very point: do you know what he said?

- you must have missed it... even though it was a very long time ago  :D :D :D :D :D :D
:D :D :D :D

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:51pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. How old do you think the term climate change is? Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis.

hey freediver: can we get a special back-pedalling emoticon for progs?

Yeh, everyone says it would save time and stuff  ;D ;D ;D

John_Taverner wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

I have heard of denial, but I don't think it exists  ;D

Yes it does ..its a river in Egypt ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 12:09am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:59pm: Stratos wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:51pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. How old do you think the term climate change is? Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis. hey freediver: can we get a special back-pedalling emoticon for progs? Yeh, everyone says it would save time and stuff  ;D ;D ;D

Good to see you back Deathray :)

Emma wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 12:09am: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:59pm: Stratos wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 10:51pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm: global warming didn't work, so lets go climate change. How old do you think the term climate change is? Younger than global warming in terms of use by the AGW loons to describe their pseudo science hypothesis. hey freediver: can we get a special back-pedalling emoticon for progs? Yeh, everyone says it would save time and stuff  ;D ;D ;D Good to see you back Deathray :)

Just keeping an eye on like arctic sea ice and stuff.

Same old same old really.

Where have you been hiding??

:-?

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

'public acceptance of climate science is slowly increasing' That wasn't the story the other day when there was wailing and gashing of teeth over ' opponents of climate change appear to be winning the war of words.'

Wonder where you saw that?  Gosh.. that is NEWs. ::)

lee, you leave a lot to detritus behind whenever you post.

Aren't you all 'conspired out'  by now? Why was it again, that a conspiracy exists to 'promote' public acceptance of CLIMATE CHANGE.?

What is the aim?  NO I don't accept. ..  as proposed on other threads, that scientists are simply after research funds.  I mean seriously, what would be the reason,  the  rationale, behind presenting ALL THESE LIES to the public.?

Just keeping an eye on like arctic sea ice and stuff.

Same old same old really.

Where have you been hiding??

:-?[/quote]


eeeeeeeeeh     poor polar bears :(
wish I was younger. I'd be more than an internet agitator.

do you despise human ignorance as much as I do.? 

Yes you do. 
I've been here .. just sick of the many dwads I  ought to deal with .  It's boring mostly. I get sick of it.

How many times ??  Too many.

Guess we'll just drown in our own shte

Emma wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 12:54am:

Just keeping an eye on like arctic sea ice and stuff. Same old same old really. Where have you been hiding?? :-?

eeeeeeeeeh     poor polar bears :(
wish I was younger. I'd be more than an internet agitator.

do you despise human ignorance as much as I do.? 

Yes you do. 
I've been here .. just sick of the many dwads I  ought to deal with .  It's boring mostly. I get sick of it.

How many times ??  Too many.

Guess we'll just drown in our own shte
[/quote]
Yes, well: I was in Mexico last year for my brothers wedding and... there are practicalities of life that get in the way I suppose. They have 100 million people over there and the Americans bought land off them when they were in debt- land with gold and water and something else i forget now.

You go to a pub over there and you will be told you're going to die if you aren't careful as their history is full of so called revolutionarys famous for killing white people. My brother had blue-heeler dogs(apparently quite popular over there now) whose names i found out later were famous for... KILLING WHITE PEOPLE  ::) I must have been drinking too much tequila to laugh at that but now I think about it it wasn't that funny. Actually, now I remember why i don't drink tequila  ;) ;)

Full stop, the practicalities of life mean we aren't all born rich. Saying that, we shouldn't waste what we've got.

The majority of people were of course awesome sauce: but there was a big gap between rich and poor and if you went to a public school it was only for four hours a day and that sort of thing.

But if you want to see lots of whales then go to Mexico- you sit on the beach watching like 4 whales and then 8 whales and then you can't count how many whales all jumping out of the water and that's like normal to them.

..and the beach is warm water: they reckon they don't even go for a swim in summer as it doesn't make any difference  :D :D :D :D :D :D

http://www.surf-forecast.com/sstgraphs/Quimixto.png

..but--> if you have no reason to go there then don't bother: whilst it wasn't a hot bed of criminal activity the place where those guys got killed was just north of this Quimixto area!

we are so insular here in Oz, we think we are indestructible, 'cos the current generational spread has never really had it that bad.

It's sad about the two surfers.

Ignorance of risk and foolhardiness never means immunity from danger tho. The world doesn't operate to our agendas.

Sounds like you are happy to be back in Oz.
Who wouldn't be.? :)

.

Emma wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 2:02am:

we are so insular here in Oz, we think we are indestructible, 'cos the current generational spread has never really had it that bad. It's sad about the two surfers. Ignorance of risk and foolhardiness never means immunity from danger tho. The world doesn't operate to our agendas. Sounds like you are happy to be back in Oz. Who wouldn't be.? :) .

Yeh: very happy- who needs spanish lessons because I'm not going back. Great memories though!

Seems lack of water is becoming a very serious issue over that way. Sad signs of the dissolution of 'western'  culture.

Emma wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:04am:

Seems lack of water is becoming a very serious issue over that way. Sad signs of the dissolution of 'western'  culture.

Yes and no: some of it is jungle, and has mudslides as they have mountains right on the sea due to it basically being very close to the fault lines , and they create their own moisture for clouds and rain. Depends where you mean? When jungles start dying out then we'll all be far more concerned with the anarchy that proceeds it i'm sure!

Oh, you mean inland: I just went for a holiday so I never saw the real mexico: my brother said the country is mostly pretty bleak and poor and ultimately dangerous. The coast is pretty cool if you remain careful: marinos (read, 'marines') outside your beach hotel and stuff...  :o :o :o ... it's an eye opener!

I've never seen an armoured vehicle with a gun turret before: and all those blokes with machine guns... yeh,.. it's all coming back to me now!

They will be back there right this very moment because they have long festivals for Christmas and fireworks and like drums everywhere... http://www.puertovallarta.net/images/what_to_do/our-lady-of-guadalupe-church/peregrinaciones-puerto-vallarta.jpg

That may be the church where my brother got married actually... they have a church like every 8 streets but this is one of the most popular ones.