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............Muslim communities should be forthright in owning the problem, and the solution. .......

An article by Paul Kelly in the Aust.

Muslim communities benefit from terrorism, terrorism advances islam, why would they want it to stop.

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue.

The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue. The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

Muslim communities are failing

Its all relative isn't it sprint. So far in the history of modern muslim settlement, we've had 2 or 3 actual terrorist incidents, involving 3 individual radicals, resulting in 3 innocent fatalities. And thats including the guy who the muslim community referred to police years before he carried out his murder. The police reportedly believe there are about 15 radical individuals in the community capable of carrying out a terrorist act. Thats 15 - nationwide, in a population of over half a million.

Has the muslim community "failed" because of these incidents, or has it succeeded because in the scheme of things, actual violence by actual radicalised muslims in Australia is almost non-existent?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

All well and good Gandalf, but none of these problems would have occurred if Australia had never let Muslims into OZ in the first place. Why are they here anyway, what is the attraction? .. when Mecca awaits them

The "twisted world" as you call it, should have resisted Islam because the politicians have shown they can't handle it, unless of course they are just playing the game of "Order out of Chaos" ... and I wouldn't put it past them to do that. It may even be the reason why you yourself continually post to create divide and conquer tactics

The "twisted world" is the one that's raided countless homes in the Muslim community discovering weapons and plans for attacks and prosecuting members of that community. But to you, they are suddenly absolutely separate entities as soon as they are sprung. The fact is, they were part of the Muslim community and to say they avoid mosques and seek out radical freelancers indicates you have conveniently forgotten how the Parramatta attack was planned

The reason for the low incidence of terrorism in Australia is the strict control of firearms and explosives.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 12:27pm:

The reason for the low incidence of terrorism in Australia is the strict control of firearms and explosives.

Indeed - and its not just muslims we're stopping:


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A member of far-right group the United Patriots Front has been arrested after police received intelligence that several people were planning to bring weapons to an anti-immigration rally on Sunday.

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Police told Thursday's hearing that a "systematic" search of Mr Galea's home on Ballarat Road in Braybrook had uncovered a large amount electronic material "related to the manufacture of explosives"

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-make-arrest-over-claims-weapons-were-to-be-brought-to-melton-antiimmigration-rally-20151119-gl2zgd.html#ixzz3t8D9MKgP

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue. The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

Exactly, thanks to terrorists the muslim community is now having hundreds millions of dollars spent on it, they are the centre of government attention and largess, its a net benefit as it will lead to yet more concessions as no end of charlatans ask for free government money for this or that bogus project. 

Also you won't find too many muslims that are upset over the fact that the prophet can no longer be lampooned thanks to a few muslim psychopaths, this is also a net benefit to the muslim community at large, ISIS is helping them to create a more islamic world.

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Exactly, thanks to terrorists the muslim community is now having hundreds millions of dollars spent on it, they are the centre of government attention and largess, its a net benefit as it will lead to yet more concessions as no end of charlatans ask for free government money for this or that bogus project

Citation?

Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism?

What concessions do you speak of?

With regard to charlatans, they will always find a way to ask for free government money for bogus projects, they are Charlatans it is their job description. That is in no way a specific issue related to Muslims or terrorism for that matter.

Then we have "other" Government money, lots will be going towards dealing with DV in coming months. That's a good thing on one hand, of concern though, most of it will be spent on Charlatans and a range of disinterested talking heads who feign interest to keep the money coming. It would be good if it was spent on doing though. Same goes with Terrorism and the money spent, ok by me if it is spent on doing and not so much talking, we've been talking about these things for decades.

issuevoter wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 12:27pm:

The reason for the low incidence of terrorism in Australia is the strict control of firearms and explosives.

I think that is "a" reason but not by any means the sole reason.

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 11:44am:

but none of these problems would have occurred if Australia had never let Muslims into OZ in the first place.

Yep, they would have, you would have just been posting about a different group to target for all the problems...

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism?

The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it.

And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element. 

Terrorism benefits all muslims.

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:12pm: Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism? The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it. And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.  Terrorism benefits all muslims.

Just, wow.

mothra wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:30pm: Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:12pm: Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism? The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it. And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.  Terrorism benefits all muslims. Just, wow.

One can only hope that he's typing his paranoid delusions from inside a very secure facility.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 10:24am: Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue. The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that? Muslim communities are failing

they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree,

when was the last time you went to a Mosque?.....

or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???..

do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said   of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. ::)

just like these Imams are.. so they claim...


http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.christians.and.muslims.are.brothers.and.sisters/72080.htm

I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 5:35pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:30pm: Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:12pm: Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism? The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it. And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.  Terrorism benefits all muslims. Just, wow. One can only hope that he's typing his paranoid delusions from inside a very secure facility.

its no different to you claiming abuse from people you have never met over and obsessively over.and over again.......paranoid?mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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A LOGAN duo are facing child genital mutilation charges following police investigations. Detectives from the Logan District Child Protection and Investigation Unit have charged a 53-year-old man and a 41-year-old woman following investigations into allegations of female genital mutilation of two girls aged nine and 12. Police conducted a joint investigation with other agencies after allegations that the young girls were removed from Queensland in April 2015 and taken to Africa for the procedure.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/logan-pair-facing-genital-mutilation-charges-after-police-investigation/news-story/9e99107762ff3231f2778784b1b0e599

I am guessing, muslims

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 11:44am: but none of these problems would have occurred if Australia had never let Muslims into OZ in the first place. Yep, they would have, you would have just been posting about a different group to target for all the problems...

how would these problems occur had muzzies never been let in here ?

mothra wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:30pm: Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:12pm: Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism? The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it. And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.  Terrorism benefits all muslims. Just, wow.

Yes its mind blowing once you have it explained to you isn't it.  :)

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 10:44am: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 10:24am: Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue. The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that? Muslim communities are failing they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree, when was the last time you went to a Mosque?..... or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???.. do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said   of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. ::) just like these Imams are.. so they claim... http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.christians.and.muslims.are.brothers.and.sisters/72080.htm I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm.

Sprint was all prepped to start a conversation with a muslim at his work, but tragically that muslim moved job, and this great opportunity was missed. But its the thought that counts.

True story - detailed in a thread described by FD as "an interesting discussion" about getting sprint to talk to muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:38am:

cods wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:02pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 10:44am: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 10:24am: Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue. The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that? Muslim communities are failing they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree, when was the last time you went to a Mosque?..... or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???.. do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said   of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. ::) just like these Imams are.. so they claim... http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.christians.and.muslims.are.brothers.and.sisters/72080.htm I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm. Sprint was all prepped to start a conversation with a muslim at his work, but tragically that muslim moved job, and this great opportunity was missed. But its the thought that counts. True story - detailed in a thread described by FD as "an interesting discussion" about getting sprint to talk to muslims.

It wouldn't have been  with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males. Daddy wouldn't like it.

double plus good wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:42am:

It wouldn't have been  with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males.

Complete nonsense.

I talk to Muslim women every day.

Stop watching A Current Affair.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

I talk to Muslim women every day.

Do you work for centrelink?

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 9:50am: I talk to Muslim women every day. Do you work for centrelink?

Does anyone work for Centrelink?

One thing that cant be denied is that extremists are spawned from Islam, Islam is the cornerstone of almost all extremists. There is something wrong with Islam for there to be so many extremists emanating from its teachings, this is a internal Islamic problem and something that needs to be accepted by Muslims.

Steampipe wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm:

One thing that cant be denied is that extremists are spawned from Islam.

Correct.


Steampipe wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm:

Islam is the cornerstone of almost all extremists.

Incorrect.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

I talk to Muslim women every day.

Does talking to a muslim woman make you an expert on Islam?

If I talk to a Christian every day can that make me an expert on Christianity?

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 9:50am: I talk to Muslim women every day. Does talking to a muslim woman make you an expert on Islam?

Nope.  Not even close.

However, that wasn't what was being discussed.

Pay attention, and I'll explain it to you (don't worry - I'll type slowly, so you can keep up).

double plus good said: "It wouldn't have been with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males"

And, I replied: "Complete nonsense. I talk to Muslim women every day."

The fact that I hold conversations with 4 or 5 Muslim women every single day, coupled with the fact that I am not a Muslim, makes DPG's statement complete nonsense.

No mention of being an expert on Islam.

Capiche?

Islamic Movement leader blames West for 'religious wars'

Deputy leader Kamal Khatib claims Paris attacks are 'nothing' compared to Protestant-Catholic conflicts, persecution of Muslims

Deputy Leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel Sheikh Kamal Khatib blamed the West for the world's religious wars, in a fiery Friday sermon at the Omar Ibn Al-Khattab Mosque in Kafr Kana last week, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reports.
"Their hearts are full of hatred and animosity, yet they talk about human rights," Khatib began.

He then listed a long history of atrocities the Christians - factually or allegedly - committed against Muslims, including the Spanish Inquisition.

"They would look for homes in which the lights were on early in the morning, in order to check if people had gotten up to pray, or for people wearing clean clothes on Fridays, whom they suspected of honoring this day," he said. "They would search for anyone who kept torn bits of Quran pages in his home, or anyone whose name sounded Muslim… They would kill them, burn them, slaughter them, and drag their bodies through the streets. This is what they did to us."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/204303#.Vl-7-50_WUk

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:45pm:

The fact that I hold conversations with 4 or 5 Muslim women every single day

Muslim women have the highest unemployment rates in Australia
Peccahead is spamming this forum 24/7.

Do you speak to these women when you leave the bedroom of your mothers department of housing unit to collect your welfare payments from the local ATM?

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 1:45pm: The fact that I hold conversations with 4 or 5 Muslim women every single day Muslim women have the highest unemployment rates in Australia

Completely irrelevant.

Muslim women speak to non-Muslim men.

As usual, double plus good has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1449007906/30#30 date=1449115950

Muslim women have the highest unemployment rates in Australia


[/quote]


You have proof of this?

mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 2:12pm: Muslim women have the highest unemployment rates in Australia You have proof of this?

No surprise, if it's true.

Our country is full of Islamophobes just like Baronvonrort, double plus good, Soren, Sprint, Herbie, and Maqqa.

They spend every waking hour of their miserable days demonising Muslims (for what reason, I'm not sure).

It's no surprise then that employers are reluctant to hire Muslim women, with the amount of lies being spread around.

Look at double plus good, for example: "Muslim women don't talk to non-Muslim men".

He really needs to stop watching ACA.

mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 2:17pm:

[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1449007906/30#30 date=1449115950 Muslim women have the highest unemployment rates in Australia

You have proof of this?[/quote]

A thread on it in the Islam section.

Gandalf should recall that thread it I started it when he joined the forum, the study was done by a muslim.