http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-malcolm-turnbull-will-be-our-longestserving-pm-since-robert-menzies-20151125-gl7dy2.html

Elizabeth Farrelly:
"Malcolm is different. His intelligence has light in it. I often disagree with him. We don't see eye-to-eye on tax, I'm suspicious of the TPP, I believe the sale of Darwin's port to the "private" company of Chinese government billionaire Ye Cheng was unwise and the approval of Adani's coal mine shocking. There is no moral case for coal.

And yet. And yet. Malcolm speaks to us not as a rabble of blithering chimps wanting their buttons pushed but as grownups, capable of considered argument, reasoned reflection and conscientious decision. For Australia, this is huge.

So here's my prediction. Malcolm – who like Beyonce is known universally by his first name – will be the longest-serving prime minister since Menzies. Possibly ever."

He won't be a Menzies of course because that was the result of unique circumstances.
But if he plays his cards in the middle of the table he might get a couple of terms . . .after this one I mean.

His biggest challenge politically will be in keeping the Facebook generation off the protest pages and off the streets and he will only do that by being middle of the road, fair and non-controversial.

Never.

Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party
back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over.

The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country.

Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:52am:

But if he plays his cards in the middle of the table he might get a couple of terms . . .after this one I mean. His biggest challenge politically will be in keeping the Facebook generation off the protest pages and off the streets and he will only do that by being middle of the road, fair and non-controversial.

I CALL IT FENCE SITTING>>.

play it by the POLLS or talk back radio...

be popular at all costs..... always a winner..

to me he is shallow and transparent..just like kruddy two peas in a pod..

its a bit weird but so far I have predicted just about every move he has made.....there are certain words he will never USE...for instance no matter how bad the situation...we can have a bombing right here.. and he will never say Islam and Terrorist in the same sentence

He certainly looks good so far....

He's a politician through and through and that's connecting with the middle - which is where you win the election

Kat wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them.

Well he doesn't even need to campaign for the next term Kat. Labor are thoroughly discredited for the next four years, surely even you know that.

DD
Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He certainly looks good so far.... He's a politician through and through and that's connecting with the middle - which is where you win the election

Occasionally you make a comment that is not partisan bias bullsh it, not often, but sometimes, this is one of those times.

This just shows how relieved most Lib supporters are that the thug is gone.

The economy is in trouble and the Libs are not going to fix it but rather make it worse.

I still predict Labor will win in 2016. It’s the economy, stupid.

As to Malcolm’s communication: he waffles, he spins and he flat out lies. Will take a little while for people to realise that, the Optus HFC and Darwin port sale to the Chinese govt debacles will be taking the shine off Malcolm’s image. Both were utterly preventable.

Malcolm just is not competent.

How about you address a former PM with a modicum of civility unless of course you wish to place yourself among the echelons of the ratbags.

Most Liberals are glad that there has been an orderly transition to a leader who is more suited to government than opposition.

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So here's my prediction. Malcolm – who like Beyonce is known universally by his first name – will be the longest-serving prime minister since Menzies. Possibly ever.

No chance. He's already 61 years old and would have to win four elections as leader, the same number as Howard and Hawke. The fourth election could be held in late 2025. By then, he would be 71 years old. Few PMs have attained that age while PM. Turnbull's past shows that he is not someone who sticks around in one role for very long. He would be more likely to retire after a term or two.

There's also the possibility that Turnbull's popularity and approval could wane fairly quickly, as it did during his stint as Opposition leader in 2008 and 2009. Initially, Turnbull scored good satisfaction ratings as Opposition leader - his first Newspoll (September 2008) had a +25% on net satisfaction and he scored a respectable 24% on preferred PM against Rudd's 54%.

It did not last.

By August 2009, Turnbull's satisfaction ratings had deteriorated to a -31% on net satisfaction and his ratings as preferred PM had slipped as low as 16%. This is just 1 point higher than Shorten's preferred PM rating in the most recent Newspoll. Turnbull's last few months as leader had similar very low satisfaction ratings and his rating as preferred PM averaged in the high teens.

So this talk of Turnbull being the longest-serving PM since Menzies is very optimistic. One or two more scandals like Utegate, and Turnbull's popularity could go sour as quickly as it did in mid-2009.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

How about you address a former PM with a modicum of civility unless of course you wish to place yourself among the echelons of the ratbags. Most Liberals are glad that there has been an orderly transition to a leader who is more suited to government than opposition.

IOW—they are glad the thug is gone!

As to addressing a former PM, remember all the remarks about JGPM? Fricking hypocrite!

Malcolm Turnbull is the best of what is on offer....Unfortunately the right wing of the LNP are not impressed....Malcolm just might get my vote at the next election!!!

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Malcolm Turnbull is the best of what is on offer....Unfortunately the right wing of the LNP are not impressed....Malcolm just might get my vote at the next election!!! :) :) :)

No way will he get my vote! The stuffup about the Optus HFC and the FTTN will deliver barely 12:1 as Malcolm knew way back: http://alturl.com/2q3xh

Besides which, Malcolm is a puppet dancing to the strings pulled by the ultra right wing neocons in the Lib Party.

Bam wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Quote: So here's my prediction. Malcolm – who like Beyonce is known universally by his first name – will be the longest-serving prime minister since Menzies. Possibly ever. No chance. He's already 61 years old and would have to win four elections as leader, the same number as Howard and Hawke. The fourth election could be held in late 2025. By then, he would be 71 years old. Few PMs have attained that age while PM. Turnbull's past shows that he is not someone who sticks around in one role for very long. He would be more likely to retire after a term or two. There's also the possibility that Turnbull's popularity and approval could wane fairly quickly, as it did during his stint as Opposition leader in 2008 and 2009. Initially, Turnbull scored good satisfaction ratings as Opposition leader - his first Newspoll (September 2008) had a +25% on net satisfaction and he scored a respectable 24% on preferred PM against Rudd's 54%. It did not last. By August 2009, Turnbull's satisfaction ratings had deteriorated to a -31% on net satisfaction and his ratings as preferred PM had slipped as low as 16%. This is just 1 point higher than Shorten's preferred PM rating in the most recent Newspoll. Turnbull's last few months as leader had similar very low satisfaction ratings and his rating as preferred PM averaged in the high teens. So this talk of Turnbull being the longest-serving PM since Menzies is very optimistic. One or two more scandals like Utegate, and Turnbull's popularity could go sour as quickly as it did in mid-2009.

Nothing like good 'ol plain basic facts ~^^^^~ to stuff up an emotive point of view.  This ~vvvvv~ is true, I reckon:


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...he is shallow and transparent...

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Kat wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:53am: Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them. Well he doesn't even need to campaign for the next term Kat. Labor are thoroughly discredited for the next four years, surely even you know that.

Yes.

With no valid justification whatsoever.

The sheeple have been conned, and how!

Well they must have done something or failed to do something themselves to get in this position.

I'm afraid I can't afford any sympathy for them.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Well they must have done something or failed to do something themselves to get in this position. I'm afraid I can't afford any sympathy for them.

Yes, they fell foul of the scumbag, Murdoch.

Without Murdoch, the LNP would never have gotten a guernsey in 2013.

Nor would they have a prayer next year.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Kat wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:53am: Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them. Well he doesn't even need to campaign for the next term Kat. Labor are thoroughly discredited for the next four years, surely even you know that.

Wishful thinking. The disasters have started and the economy is still in trouble. Malcolm will serve for about a year.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:51am:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-malcolm-turnbull-will-be-our-longestserving-pm-since-robert-menzies-20151125-gl7dy2.html Elizabeth Farrelly: "Malcolm is different. His intelligence has light in it. I often disagree with him. We don't see eye-to-eye on tax, I'm suspicious of the TPP, I believe the sale of Darwin's port to the "private" company of Chinese government billionaire Ye Cheng was unwise and the approval of Adani's coal mine shocking. There is no moral case for coal. And yet. And yet. Malcolm speaks to us not as a rabble of blithering chimps wanting their buttons pushed but as grownups, capable of considered argument, reasoned reflection and conscientious decision. For Australia, this is huge. So here's my prediction. Malcolm – who like Beyonce is known universally by his first name – will be the longest-serving prime minister since Menzies. Possibly ever."

We don't see eye-to-eye on tax, I'm suspicious of the TPP, I believe the sale of Darwin's port to the "private" company of Chinese government billionaire Ye Cheng was unwise and the approval of Adani's coal mine shocking. There is no moral case for coal.

My experience is that this list just keeps on growing to the point where it becomes a mountain too high to climb.

Yet today we see Mal in his I want to be leader and please people mask. His normal obnoxious too arrogant to be believed pose - the real Mal - is no where in sight.

Just Like with Tony - the spots are all still there and will only be denied for a short time.

Turnbull with be one of the shortest term leaders. It isn't healthy for longevity when the starting point is that 60% of your own party hates you passionately let alone being dependant on a false impression and the risk of the electorate waking up to the con job.

Turnbull will be fine with his own party as long as he is a winner and doesn't slide back into Potts Point leftyism.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Turnbull will be fine with his own party as long as he is a winner and doesn't slide back into Potts Point leftyism.

It's got nothing to do with "leftyism". That's just right-wing bias on your part.

Performance is a far more reliable guide. If Turnbull performs badly he is gone regardless of his political leanings. Utegate is a case in point. How Turnbull handles the Ashby, Brough and Roy issue could prove to be another test of his leadership if that simmering issue blows up into a full-scale scandal.

I think Turnbull will be PM for a long time, maybe even into his seventies.
Reasons
1 he has already achieved all there is to achieve in business now it's about the power.
2 he is a middle ground progressive that appeals to the swinging voter.
3 no mater how bad the Economy gets he will be perceived to be better able to manage it than Shorten.
4 Shorten is opposition leader.
5 the electorate are not yet ready to trust Labor again. The only reason the polls favoured Labor for the past two years is that the electorate hated Abbott more than any other Labor alternative.
Labors only hope is to dump Shorten, but o be honest short of rolling out Bob Hawke as his replacement I can't see anyone of the current Labor nob appealing to the electorate. That's not my personal opinion, I happen to believe Pliberseck, Bowen or Wong, if she took a lower house seat, could be good PMs, but it won't happen before the next election. I also don't know if Labor will risk another female given the attacks by the conservative media against Gillard.

What this more likely means is that the media likes Turnbull so much they are willing to give him a free ride for several years.

Turnbull, face of the biggest infrastructure disaster in Australian history, still hasn't had to answer any questions on his role in destroying the NBN.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:51am:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-malcolm-turnbull-will-be-our-longestserving-pm-since-robert-menzies-20151125-gl7dy2.html Elizabeth Farrelly: "Malcolm is different. His intelligence has light in it. I often disagree with him. We don't see eye-to-eye on tax, I'm suspicious of the TPP, I believe the sale of Darwin's port to the "private" company of Chinese government billionaire Ye Cheng was unwise and the approval of Adani's coal mine shocking. There is no moral case for coal. And yet. And yet. Malcolm speaks to us not as a rabble of blithering chimps wanting their buttons pushed but as grownups, capable of considered argument, reasoned reflection and conscientious decision. For Australia, this is huge. So here's my prediction. Malcolm – who like Beyonce is known universally by his first name – will be the longest-serving prime minister since Menzies. Possibly ever."

Did Beyonce give the clever country- that built the asian century- copper internet?? I think she was given professional advice that it wouldn't be good for business and so didn't :D :D :D :D ... if I recall properly  ;)  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[      ( __> wtflyingcrackpipe ?!?  :-? )

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:52am:

He won't be a Menzies of course because that was the result of unique circumstances. But if he plays his cards in the middle of the table he might get a couple of terms . . .after this one I mean. His biggest challenge politically will be in keeping the Facebook generation off the protest pages and off the streets and he will only do that by being middle of the road, fair and non-controversial.

lol, how about the quality of political commentary from http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/bogarde73.jpg ay???

Not too shabby ay??????????????


:-[  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He certainly looks good so far.... He's a politician through and through and that's connecting with the middle - which is where you win the election

Yeh, because the middle want copper internet  for their kids in the asian century we built::)

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Kat wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:53am: Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them. Well he doesn't even need to campaign for the next term Kat. Labor are thoroughly discredited for the next four years, surely even you know that.

Just pretend copper internet never happened: it will all go away  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

How about you address a former PM with a modicum of civility unless of course you wish to place yourself among the echelons of the ratbags. Most Liberals are glad that there has been an orderly transition to a leader who is more suited to government than opposition.

How about you treat outdated technology with the modicum of respect it deserves  :) :) :) :) :)

(.. unless you represent foreign vested interests from planet accountant of course  ::) )

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

Malcolm Turnbull is the best of what is on offer....Unfortunately the right wing of the LNP are not impressed....Malcolm just might get my vote at the next election!!! :) :) :)

Moving to the electorate of Wentworth huh?  :D

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Well they must have done something or failed to do something themselves to get in this position. I'm afraid I can't afford any sympathy for them.

Well if you represent foreign vested interests and their mining campaigns then that would seem odd!

:D

skippy. wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

I think Turnbull will be PM for a long time, maybe even into his seventies. Reasons 1 he has already achieved all there is to achieve in business now it's about the power. 2 he is a middle ground progressive that appeals to the swinging voter. 3 no mater how bad the Economy gets he will be perceived to be better able to manage it than Shorten. 4 Shorten is opposition leader. 5 the electorate are not yet ready to trust Labor again. The only reason the polls favoured Labor for the past two years is that the electorate hated Abbott more than any other Labor alternative. Labors only hope is to dump Shorten, but o be honest short of rolling out Bob Hawke as his replacement I can't see anyone of the current Labor nob appealing to the electorate. That's not my personal opinion, I happen to believe Pliberseck, Bowen or Wong, if she took a lower house seat, could be good PMs, but it won't happen before the next election. I also don't know if Labor will risk another female given the attacks by the conservative media against Gillard.

Like what?

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

What this more likely means is that the media likes Turnbull so much they are willing to give him a free ride for several years. Turnbull, face of the biggest infrastructure disaster in Australian history, still hasn't had to answer any questions on his role in destroying the NBN.

The media eat each other: the NBN is an election issue whether Lib supporting media like it or not as there is nothing else to talk about except terrorism and they know people will get bored of reading that every page.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 10:59am: I think Turnbull will be PM for a long time, maybe even into his seventies. Reasons 1 he has already achieved all there is to achieve in business now it's about the power. 2 he is a middle ground progressive that appeals to the swinging voter. 3 no mater how bad the Economy gets he will be perceived to be better able to manage it than Shorten. 4 Shorten is opposition leader. 5 the electorate are not yet ready to trust Labor again. The only reason the polls favoured Labor for the past two years is that the electorate hated Abbott more than any other Labor alternative. Labors only hope is to dump Shorten, but o be honest short of rolling out Bob Hawke as his replacement I can't see anyone of the current Labor nob appealing to the electorate. That's not my personal opinion, I happen to believe Pliberseck, Bowen or Wong, if she took a lower house seat, could be good PMs, but it won't happen before the next election. I also don't know if Labor will risk another female given the attacks by the conservative media against Gillard. Like what?

Business people aim to make money, he's made zillions.

skippy. wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 11:26am: skippy. wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 10:59am: I think Turnbull will be PM for a long time, maybe even into his seventies. Reasons 1 he has already achieved all there is to achieve in business now it's about the power. 2 he is a middle ground progressive that appeals to the swinging voter. 3 no mater how bad the Economy gets he will be perceived to be better able to manage it than Shorten. 4 Shorten is opposition leader. 5 the electorate are not yet ready to trust Labor again. The only reason the polls favoured Labor for the past two years is that the electorate hated Abbott more than any other Labor alternative. Labors only hope is to dump Shorten, but o be honest short of rolling out Bob Hawke as his replacement I can't see anyone of the current Labor nob appealing to the electorate. That's not my personal opinion, I happen to believe Pliberseck, Bowen or Wong, if she took a lower house seat, could be good PMs, but it won't happen before the next election. I also don't know if Labor will risk another female given the attacks by the conservative media against Gillard. Like what? Business people aim to make money, he's made zillions.

How did he make his zillions?

;D ;D

There you are you see. Moderation in all things.
SkyNews:
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has vowed he won't take a 'slash and burn' approach to public spending, ahead of next month's budget update.
Speaking to the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the prime minister also rejected dramatic tax hikes as a solution to the budget deficit. He also warned states and territories that meaningful reform on health and education funding will require their full and genuine involvement on both structural and funding issues.
Speaking to business leaders, he said all Australia's governments needed to work together to get their own houses in order. He said sale of commodities would no longer do it for Australia over the next decade.
Mr Turnbull and state premiers and territory chief ministers sit down at the Council of Australian Governments meeting on December 11 with a new dialogue on economic reform 'the critical and leading item on that agenda'.All economic reform options remain on the table and imaginative reform was needed at federal and state levels, he said. 'Meaningful reform to address health and education funding will require a full and genuine buy-in from the states on both the structural and revenue-raising issues,' he told the Australian Chamber Business Leaders annual dinner.
Mr Turnbull said the budget had been in deficit since 2008, so some might say 'let's just go ahead and reduce the deficit by raising taxes'.But tax reform wasn't an end in itself and the tax system needed to be a catalyst of higher economic growth and should be the servant of the economy and its people and their businesses, not the other way round.
He said the government was examining personal tax particularly carefully.'As the average wage earner moves into the second highest tax bracket there is a very real risk that current tax settings will unduly discourage participation, effort and innovation,' he said. Mr Turnbull said tax reform was a complex exercise and the government had insisted all options, even the unlikely, should remain on the table.
But ruling options in or out, as Labor had done, soon left no options at all before there was a proper review.

Kat wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them.

Got it. He won't because he's in the wrong political party according to you.

Anyone flirting with the idea of voting for Turnbull, consider balancing the conservative agenda of the coalition by giving The Greens control of the Senate.

This will weaken the conservatives further so not to risk them assassinating Turnbull, if he forms government after the election.

Kat wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them.

;D ;D ;D

Tell us what you really think, Kat! Don't hide behind PC euphemisms.

***

Meeeanwhile ... unfortunately for Turnbull, he has not one, not two, but THREE heavy hitters on his front bench who will be looking for the top position before too long.

And it'll be a case of "Don't cry for me Argentina" when he himself gets stabbed in the back if he should stumble and fall on any policy issues that the public really cares about.

Julie Bishop

Scott Morrison

Peter Dutton

All capable alternatives to prissy, anal-retentive, please-all-the-people-all-of-the-time Malcolm Turnbull.

Turdball will lead the liberals for a considerably shorter period than Abbott.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

Mr Turnbull and state premiers and territory chief ministers sit down at the Council of Australian Governments meeting on December 11 with a new dialogue on economic reform 'the critical and leading item on that agenda'.All economic reform options remain on the table and imaginative reform was needed at federal and state levels, he said. 'Meaningful reform to address health and education funding will require a full and genuine buy-in from the states on both the structural and revenue-raising issues,' he told the Australian Chamber Business Leaders annual dinner.

What a nice way of saying privatize hospitals, schools and other social services.

This is what makes Turnbull dangerous, the media isn't doing any analysis of what he is saying and what is actually happening, so the media is basically just acting as a PR arm for him at the moment.

It should not be ignored that Morriscum is pushing the wide-scale privatization of all social services and quite openly I implore anyone to actually look at what is happening in the real world compared to the political spin of Turnbull.

Turnbull our longest serving PM?

the last time the retards made this prediction they lost the PM before he'd served a full year.  If that's a sign of whats to come, Turnbull is finished in another year ...  when the election is due

:D :D :D :D :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 11:36am: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 11:26am: skippy. wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 10:59am: I think Turnbull will be PM for a long time, maybe even into his seventies. Reasons 1 he has already achieved all there is to achieve in business now it's about the power. 2 he is a middle ground progressive that appeals to the swinging voter. 3 no mater how bad the Economy gets he will be perceived to be better able to manage it than Shorten. 4 Shorten is opposition leader. 5 the electorate are not yet ready to trust Labor again. The only reason the polls favoured Labor for the past two years is that the electorate hated Abbott more than any other Labor alternative. Labors only hope is to dump Shorten, but o be honest short of rolling out Bob Hawke as his replacement I can't see anyone of the current Labor nob appealing to the electorate. That's not my personal opinion, I happen to believe Pliberseck, Bowen or Wong, if she took a lower house seat, could be good PMs, but it won't happen before the next election. I also don't know if Labor will risk another female given the attacks by the conservative media against Gillard. Like what? Business people aim to make money, he's made zillions. How did he make his zillions? ;D ;D

Copper internet services, I believe.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:53am: Never. Certainly not if he doesn't dump the austerity bullsh1t, dump the far-right, and pull the party back to the centre-right. Which it hasn't been since Howard took over. The far-right are destroying both the Party and the country. Talksbull MUST distance himself from them and their filthy policies, or he WILL sink with them. ;D ;D ;D Tell us what you really think, Kat! Don't hide behind PC euphemisms. *** Meeeanwhile ... unfortunately for Turnbull, he has not one, not two, but THREE heavy hitters on his front bench who will be looking for the top position before too long. And it'll be a case of "Don't cry for me Argentina" when he himself gets stabbed in the back if he should stumble and fall on any policy issues that the public really cares about. Julie Bishop Scott Morrison Peter Dutton All capable alternatives to prissy, anal-retentive, please-all-the-people-all-of-the-time Malcolm Turnbull.

Yes, Herbie, but why isn't Mr Abbott on your list?

You tell me that.

Business investment plunged by 9% last period. Liberals can’t manage the economy, that is plain.

Neoconservatism is why we are sinking into the mire.

John Useless Howard started the rot.

Forget boosting&broadening the GST, think stimulus. Get rid of all the Tax Expenditures, boost NewStart, run out the real NBN, do more infrastructure work.

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Yes, Herbie, but why isn't Mr Abbott on your list? You tell me that.

Abbott has no more heart for the fight. He's all washed up. He's getting ready to become a professional speaker at business functions while working on his autobiography. 

One reason he's through with the political game is that he discovered there are no friends in politics. Who he thought were his closest friends and confidantes were the very ones who sharpened Turnbull's assassination dagger.

Abbott's "Et tu, Brute?" moments left him utterly disillusioned that there is any honour amongst politicians.

But then again, he's the bastard who put Hanson and Ettridge in prison. Live by the sword - die by the sword.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 3:40pm: Yes, Herbie, but why isn't Mr Abbott on your list? You tell me that. Abbott has no more heart for the fight. He's all washed up. He's getting ready to become a professional speaker at business functions while working on his autobiography.  One reason he's through with the political game is that he discovered there are no friends in politics. Who he thought were his closest friends and confidantes were the very ones who sharpened Turnbull's assassination dagger. Abbott's "Et tu, Brute?" moments left him utterly disillusioned that there is any honour amongst politicians. But then again, he's the bastard who put Hanson and Ettridge in prison. Live by the sword - die by the sword.

You stop being so cynical and defeatist, Herbie. We must have hope.

Mr Abbott will always be a tall glass of water, you know. He was our Roads and Infrastructure.Prime Minister, and our Roads and Infrastructure Prime Minister he shall be.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen.

Not if the Australian people keep their wits about them and judge on performance..... wait until - at the State level - Bailout Baird's hike in power prices hits..... no more Smiling Mike.... then it'll become Survivor - Liberal Party....

I await with breathless anticipation the pork barreling that will accrue to the pensioner community in the run-up to the next FedElect.

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 1:12pm: Mr Turnbull and state premiers and territory chief ministers sit down at the Council of Australian Governments meeting on December 11 with a new dialogue on economic reform 'the critical and leading item on that agenda'.All economic reform options remain on the table and imaginative reform was needed at federal and state levels, he said. 'Meaningful reform to address health and education funding will require a full and genuine buy-in from the states on both the structural and revenue-raising issues,' he told the Australian Chamber Business Leaders annual dinner. What a nice way of saying privatize hospitals, schools and other social services. This is what makes Turnbull dangerous, the media isn't doing any analysis of what he is saying and what is actually happening, so the media is basically just acting as a PR arm for him at the moment. It should not be ignored that Morriscum is pushing the wide-scale privatization of all social services and quite openly I implore anyone to actually look at what is happening in the real world compared to the political spin of Turnbull.

This goes to show that most leftists were so blinded by their hatred of Abbott (mostly for trivial reasons like Knights and Dames) that they couldn't see how the alternative was probably going to be worse. There's a Ph.D or 20 in that.

Kat wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 10:14am: Well they must have done something or failed to do something themselves to get in this position. I'm afraid I can't afford any sympathy for them. Yes, they fell foul of the scumbag, Murdoch. Without Murdoch, the LNP would never have gotten a guernsey in 2013. Nor would they have a prayer next year.

Keep blaming Murdoch and you'll be in opposition for about 20 years.

Turnbull our longest serving PM?

What makes people say such stupid things ?

Too right, rudd was more important than the senile old yank.

abbott is now being a rudd. Fun, eh?

Meantime, turncoat’s MTM is falling apart. The economy is sinking into the mire and the idiot sold the port of Darwin to the Chinese govt!

And it was abbott’s idea to starve the States of funds so they would privatise schools.

Apart from that, 1/10.

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen.

There are always new Young Turks coming up through the political ranks to strut their stuff upon the world stage after they've knifed the ones who get in their way.

Today's 'Malcolm Turnbull' is tomorrow's Fish-n-Chips wrapping.

Just ask Mark Latham.

He shot through the political system like a bad case of diarrhoea ... ending up detaching Howard's arm from his shoulder outside a radio studio - and then shirt-fronting Julia Gillard in a psychotic episode that was captured by TV news cameras.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Meantime, turncoat’s MTM is falling apart. The economy is sinking into the mire and the idiot sold the port of Darwin to the Chinese govt!

I'm still having a hard time assimilating this lunacy as 'fact'.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 3:40pm: Yes, Herbie, but why isn't Mr Abbott on your list? You tell me that. Abbott has no more heart for the fight. He's all washed up. He's getting ready to become a professional speaker at business functions while working on his autobiography.  One reason he's through with the political game is that he discovered there are no friends in politics. Who he thought were his closest friends and confidantes were the very ones who sharpened Turnbull's assassination dagger. Abbott's "Et tu, Brute?" moments left him utterly disillusioned that there is any honour amongst politicians. But then again, he's the bastard who put Hanson and Ettridge in prison. Live by the sword - die by the sword.

Abbott is far from honourable he is a maggot of the highest order. He knifed Turnbull in the back and now he copped his payback, funny how the maggots like to rewrite history when they get there comeuppance.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 7:33pm: Meantime, turncoat’s MTM is falling apart. The economy is sinking into the mire and the idiot sold the port of Darwin to the Chinese govt! I'm still having a hard time assimilating this lunacy as 'fact'.

Hmm We know that, effectively, the Chinese govt bought (leased if you want to be pedantic) the port of Darwin including the military wharves and there is at least one thread on the subject.

The economy is far from healthy, just today we learned that business investment in the latest reporting period fell by 9%. Not a sign of a buoyant economy you would have to say.

The Optus HFC network will have to be completely replaced at a cost of $500m, the second blow out in costs and they haven’t even started rolling out FTTN or HFC. There is a thread on that too.