Lets look at the French attacks, there are 6 million Muslims living in France.

If 10% are radicalised Muslims (though plenty of people here think its a lot more) then that's 600,000 people, how does France still exist?

Because 10% aren't radicalised.

If 1% are radicalised that's 60,000 people. 60,000 terrorists can kill a lot more people then a couple of hundred.

What if it's a tenth of a percent. That's 6,000 people, 6,000 terrorists can kill a lot more then a couple of hundred people.

There are at least 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If people on this site, and other muslim haters are to be believed then a large percentage of them are set to kill and enslave us.

If that's the case then why aren't we dead yet. Can you imagine 10% of 1.6 billion Muslims as terrorists? the whole world would have burned by now.

The fact is organisations like ISIS, Boko Haram and all the other Muslim terrorist organisations combined make up an estimated 0.0003% of the entire Muslim population.

By painting all Muslims with the same brush what you are actually doing is helping ISIS, all they want is to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world. The vast majority of Muslims want to work, raise their children and live in peace.

Instead we see traitors like Pauline Hanson on the news blaming all Muslims thereby helping our enemies recruit more and more disenfranchised youths.   

All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah.

Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy.

If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts.

All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment.

Raven wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:36am:

Lets look at the French attacks, there are 6 million Muslims living in France. If 10% are radicalised Muslims (though plenty of people here think its a lot more) then that's 600,000 people, how does France still exist? Because 10% aren't radicalised. If 1% are radicalised that's 60,000 people. 60,000 terrorists can kill a lot more people then a couple of hundred. What if it's a tenth of a percent. That's 6,000 people, 6,000 terrorists can kill a lot more then a couple of hundred people. There are at least 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If people on this site, and other muslim haters are to be believed then a large percentage of them are set to kill and enslave us. If that's the case then why aren't we dead yet. Can you imagine 10% of 1.6 billion Muslims as terrorists? the whole world would have burned by now. The fact is organisations like ISIS, Boko Haram and all the other Muslim terrorist organisations combined make up an estimated 0.0003% of the entire Muslim population. By painting all Muslims with the same brush what you are actually doing is helping ISIS, all they want is to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world. The vast majority of Muslims want to work, raise their children and live in peace. Instead we see traitors like Pauline Hanson on the news blaming all Muslims thereby helping our enemies recruit more and more disenfranchised youths.

Are you thick, its not us that paints the muslims with the same brush its the Qur'an.

When will you buffoons get it through your thick head. If I ran around with an instruction manual on how to abuse jews and cook em in ovens and called it the Nazi'ran.

I then had 3 million people living in my country that called the Nazi'ran a Holy book :D :D :D. These people are but a peaceful people because in my Nazi'ran at the bottom of page 90 I said "Love everyone" but on every other page I told them how to annihilate people and be the biggest terrorist bigots, pedophiles and murderers.

If I am lucky I'll get some thick idiot on an internet forum  and get him to stick up for me and get him to cry racism even though the Nazi'ran followers aren't a race. If I am really lucky I can also get the same idiots to hold racist marches for me. If I am super lucky I can get the same idiot to moan about people tarring all my Nazilims with the same Nazi'ran brush. Idiot.

moses wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:41pm:

All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment.

100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:21pm:

moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists.

No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem.

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:29pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem.

What is the real problem?

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:40pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. What is the real problem?

Political instability. Isn't it obvious?

Good luck soren you've set the troll off on a bender now.

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:29pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem.

Apologist. ;D

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. Apologist. ;D

You don't really understand what that word means, do you Sedi?

Raven wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:36am:

The vast majority of Muslims want to work, raise their children and live in peace.

SO what are they doing about the 'tiny minority' of jihadis who are screwing it up for them??  Nothing.

I do not see a surge of Muslim sentiment against jihadis, against the supposed 'tiny minority', there is no soul searching by the vast majority about how their religion can give rise to monstrosities they are supposed condemn. There is no concerted effort by the 'vast majority' to eliminate the jihadis. This is partly because they agree with the jihadis more than they agree with liberal democratic enlightenment values. The jihadis swim in the sea of the 'vast majority' and they get away with it because whenever the Muslims massacre people, the 'vast majority' immwediately starts babbling about a non-existent backlash and 'victimisation. 

It's always "Muslims fear backlash over tomorrow's train bombing'. It's never 'Muslims publicly shame and expose jihadis, preventing tomorrow's train bombing".

If they were not see as tacit supporters of the caliphate-mongering jihadists but as true supporters of their home countries, they would not be treated with disdain and suspicion.

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:40pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. What is the real problem? Political instability. Isn't it obvious?

No. There was no political instability in Paris. There is no political instability in front of the Parramatta Police HQ. There was no political instability in front of the Ottawa war memorial or in the Bali bar or on the London tube.

There is jihad, though, for Allah. It goes on, without borders, no matter what the political situation.  That is the real problem.

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:58pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:42pm: Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:40pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. What is the real problem? Political instability. Isn't it obvious? No. There was no political instability in Paris. There is no political instability in front of the Parramatta Police HQ. There was no political instability in front of the Ottawa war memorial or in the Bali bar or on the London tube. There is jihad, though, for Allah. It goes on, without borders, no matter what the political situation.  That is the real problem.

It's a war Soren, The borders are down.

But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power?

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:01pm:

It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power?

This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:04pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us.

You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing.

And it is bated, not baited.

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:09pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us. You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing. And it is bated, not baited.

The post was in response to you and clearly directed at you troll.
I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us. You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing. And it is bated, not baited. The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls.

Sure you did.  ::)

Still, that doesn;t explain how the "troll" was to "breathe heavily with baited (sic) breath" though does it.

Face it Seti, You had an encounter with Mr. Cockup. You should be acquainted by now

And what is this having friends business? Are you so hard up you need to find your friends here? What is wrong with you?i

/

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:27pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us. You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing. And it is bated, not baited. The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls. Sure you did.  ::) Still, that doesn;t explain how the "troll" was to "breathe heavily with baited (sic) breath" though does it. Face it Seti, You had an encounter with Mr. Cockup. You should be acquainted by now And what is this having friends business? Are you so hard up you need to find your friends here? What is wrong with you?i /

Keep patting yourself on your delusional back troll I don't give twoShits.

Nice to see I struck the nerve on the friend front as you have none.

Like I said "The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll.
I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls."

Deal with the shock and horror troll.

We’re all friends here, Seti. If you don’t like someone, you’re always free to crash the board.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:35pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:27pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us. You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing. And it is bated, not baited. The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls. Sure you did.  ::) Still, that doesn;t explain how the "troll" was to "breathe heavily with baited (sic) breath" though does it. Face it Seti, You had an encounter with Mr. Cockup. You should be acquainted by now And what is this having friends business? Are you so hard up you need to find your friends here? What is wrong with you?i / Keep patting yourself on your delusional back troll I don't give twoShits. Nice to see I struck the nerve on the friend front as you have none. Like I said "The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls." Deal with the shock and horror troll.

I have people i get along well with but i would not cheapen the real relationships in my life by calling them friends.

I suspect you have nothing to compare it to.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:04pm:

... breaths heavily with baited breath  ...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:40pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:35pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:27pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? This is where the troll breaths heavily with baited breath waiting just waiting to post it was the wests fault, and this thing lives amongst us. You don't breathe heavily with bated breath Sedi. It means the opposite thing. And it is bated, not baited. The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls. Sure you did.  ::) Still, that doesn;t explain how the "troll" was to "breathe heavily with baited (sic) breath" though does it. Face it Seti, You had an encounter with Mr. Cockup. You should be acquainted by now And what is this having friends business? Are you so hard up you need to find your friends here? What is wrong with you?i / Keep patting yourself on your delusional back troll I don't give twoShits. Nice to see I struck the nerve on the friend front as you have none. Like I said "The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. Because the only reason you are here is to bait people and abuse and offend them. You are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls." Deal with the shock and horror troll. I have people i get along well with but i would not cheapen the real relationships in my life by calling them friends. I suspect you have nothing to compare it to.

Like I said you are a lonely bitter , sour old woman nothing more. That's why you have no friends here, just trolls.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:09pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:04pm: ... breaths heavily with baited breath  ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get a room you two, maybe you could make a baby retard if she can still have babies. ;D

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Like I said "The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited.

And, you posted 'too' and meant 'too' too?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:33pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:35pm: Like I said "The post was in response too and clearly directed at you troll. I posted baited and meant baited. And, you posted 'too' and meant 'too' too?

Actually I meant Suck an egg. ::)

What's the matter, the evil bride not good enough to let out on her own troll when you aren't around?

mothra wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:58pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:42pm: Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:40pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. What is the real problem? Political instability. Isn't it obvious? No. There was no political instability in Paris. There is no political instability in front of the Parramatta Police HQ. There was no political instability in front of the Ottawa war memorial or in the Bali bar or on the London tube. There is jihad, though, for Allah. It goes on, without borders, no matter what the political situation.  That is the real problem. It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power?

How the hell does that relate to an Islamic massacre in Paris? By largely French-born Muslims.

You sound like you want Muslims in the Middle East to be under the iron heel as the only guarantee against their unleashing their murderous jihadi instincts across the globe.


You are full of mindless contradiction - no wonder, you are a lefty prog.

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? How the hell does that relate to an Islamic massacre in Paris? By largely French-born Muslims.

And not just Paris, dear boy. Lebanon. Turkey. Yemen. How does ISIS relate to global terrorism?

Good question. Shall we ask the Grand Mufti?

How does ISIS relate to global terrorism?

Through a four pronged putrefaction: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:53pm:

I do not see a surge of Muslim sentiment against jihadis, against the supposed 'tiny minority', there is no soul searching by the vast majority about how their religion can give rise to monstrosities they are supposed condemn. There is no concerted effort by the 'vast majority' to eliminate the jihadis. This is partly because they agree with the jihadis more than they agree with liberal democratic enlightenment values. The jihadis swim in the sea of the 'vast majority' and they get away with it because whenever the Muslims massacre people, the 'vast majority' immwediately starts babbling about a non-existent backlash and 'victimisation.  It's always "Muslims fear backlash over tomorrow's train bombing'. It's never 'Muslims publicly shame and expose jihadis, preventing tomorrow's train bombing". If they were not see as tacit supporters of the caliphate-mongering jihadists but as true supporters of their home countries, they would not be treated with disdain and suspicion.

What a load of bollocks ... the vast majority of troops on the ground fighting ISIS are Muslims. 

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:01pm: Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:58pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:42pm: Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:40pm: mothra wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:29pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:21pm: moses wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:41pm: All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment. 100% correct, an inconvenient truth for apologists. No, it's not. It's mindless bigotry that falls miles short of addressing the real problem. What is the real problem? Political instability. Isn't it obvious? No. There was no political instability in Paris. There is no political instability in front of the Parramatta Police HQ. There was no political instability in front of the Ottawa war memorial or in the Bali bar or on the London tube. There is jihad, though, for Allah. It goes on, without borders, no matter what the political situation.  That is the real problem. It's a war Soren, The borders are down. But do you think ISIS would have a foothold if Saddam was still in power? How the hell does that relate to an Islamic massacre in Paris? By largely French-born Muslims. You sound like you want Muslims in the Middle East to be under the iron heel as the only guarantee against their unleashing their murderous jihadi instincts across the globe. You are full of mindless contradiction - no wonder, you are a lefty prog.

Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS.

You do know where they started out?

John Smith wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 1:53pm: I do not see a surge of Muslim sentiment against jihadis, against the supposed 'tiny minority', there is no soul searching by the vast majority about how their religion can give rise to monstrosities they are supposed condemn. There is no concerted effort by the 'vast majority' to eliminate the jihadis. This is partly because they agree with the jihadis more than they agree with liberal democratic enlightenment values. The jihadis swim in the sea of the 'vast majority' and they get away with it because whenever the Muslims massacre people, the 'vast majority' immwediately starts babbling about a non-existent backlash and 'victimisation.  It's always "Muslims fear backlash over tomorrow's train bombing'. It's never 'Muslims publicly shame and expose jihadis, preventing tomorrow's train bombing". If they were not see as tacit supporters of the caliphate-mongering jihadists but as true supporters of their home countries, they would not be treated with disdain and suspicion. What a load of bollocks ... the vast majority of troops on the ground fighting ISIS are Muslims.

Yeah - they are fighting Muslims from the West - the Grand Miff-ti's  flock.

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out?

So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid.

But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them.

Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset.

Soren wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset.

Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that?

You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one.

Stick to evasion, dear boy. You’re doing well.

You can resort to unflushable tjurd if you need it.

I was surprised to read Peter Costello coming out of the closet in his column in The Daily Telegraph yesterday (24 Nov 2015).

He has abandoned all his former PC rhetoric on the question of Muslims. No more beating about the bush to keep our Muslim leadership happy.

He plainly says that all this terrorism is a product of Islam and the Koran - despite Western leaders constantly mouthing the mantra that "This has NOTHING to do with Islam" after every atrocity.

More surprising to me is his breaking rank with political correctness and declaring that Muslim immigration to Western societies has been an absolute disaster of the first order. (He delivers this opinion in more moderate terms).

And then we had Abbott - post prime ministership - telling the British leadership that Western civilisation is in peril from the invasion of Europe by Muslims - (who will be out-breeding the locals until Critical Mass is reached). 

Post the column, Herbie. We’ll have a little look-see.

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one.

You did - in a 'deniable' way.

You are always looking to excuse the 'other' and blame the West.  You have never once sided with your own Western inheritance (if that IS your inheritance (I am beginning to doubt it)) against the creeping barbarism of a lot of the 'others'.

You may well be an English speaking barbarian yourself. Language and all it entails - culture, habits of mind, degree of enlightenment - doesn't seem to matter any more now, now that education has been debased.

Nowadays Jihadi John is a monolingual Brummie.  You may well be a monolingual Ocker cultural alien.

There's recent footage showing Obama mouthing the absurdity that "ISIS is NOT Islamic".

And then there's even more recent footage that shows Obama hilariously lecturing the White House journalists with their cameras, note pads and pencils that the jihadists must be enticed away from the bad bits in the Koran ...

Farcical.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one. You did - in a 'deniable' way. You are always looking to excuse the 'other' and blame the West.  You have never once sided with your own Western inheritance (if that IS your inheritance (I am beginning to doubt it)) against the creeping barbarism of a lot of the 'others'. You may well be an English speaking barbarian yourself. Language and all it entails - culture, habits of mind, degree of enlightenment - doesn't seem to matter any more now, now that education has been debased. Nowadays Jihadi John is a monolingual Brummie.  You may well be a monolingual Ocker cultural alien.

So in other words, no, you just made it all up.

Pathetic.

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one. You did - in a 'deniable' way. You are always looking to excuse the 'other' and blame the West.  You have never once sided with your own Western inheritance (if that IS your inheritance (I am beginning to doubt it)) against the creeping barbarism of a lot of the 'others'. You may well be an English speaking barbarian yourself. Language and all it entails - culture, habits of mind, degree of enlightenment - doesn't seem to matter any more now, now that education has been debased. Nowadays Jihadi John is a monolingual Brummie.  You may well be a monolingual Ocker cultural alien.

It's your loyalty to your imaginary 'side' that is blinding you from thinking properly. Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

There's recent footage showing Obama mouthing the absurdity that "ISIS is NOT Islamic". And then there's even more recent footage that shows Obama hilariously lecturing the White House journalists with their cameras, note pads and pencils that the jihadists must be enticed away from the bad bits in the Koran ... Farcical.

he can't be that stupid

The Grand Mufti himself demonstrated with his own words just what a bunch of delinquent sickos the Muslim leadership is composed of across the world.

Denials, deceit, spin-doctoring, blame-laying at the feet of the West, arrogance, rejection of any suggestion that Islam is to blame, on and on and on with their stupid posturing as the Victims in these atrocity scenarios.

link

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:03pm: There's recent footage showing Obama mouthing the absurdity that "ISIS is NOT Islamic". And then there's even more recent footage that shows Obama hilariously lecturing the White House journalists with their cameras, note pads and pencils that the jihadists must be enticed away from the bad bits in the Koran ... Farcical. he can't be that stupid

They all are.  Some akbahing idiot commits murders and mass atrocities the first word out of the mouth of the idiots is that it has nothing to do with Islam. 

Which is news to the akbahing idiot. 

People are over the joke now though. 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:03pm: There's recent footage showing Obama mouthing the absurdity that "ISIS is NOT Islamic". And then there's even more recent footage that shows Obama hilariously lecturing the White House journalists with their cameras, note pads and pencils that the jihadists must be enticed away from the bad bits in the Koran ... Farcical. he can't be that stupid

He was stupid in the first place, but not in the second.

One of his Chief Advisers must have tapped him on the shoulder and told him quietly that he would be making a horse's arse of himself if he kept sticking to the mantra that none of this terrorism had anything to do with Islam.

It's a big worry. You would think he could work that out for himself. It's a blessing that he is nearing the end of his term in office.

America needs a realist in office - not some hand-puppet for the American Muslim associations.

Donald Trump just might be that man.

And speaking of 'hand-puppets' to Muslim communities ... Turnbull is still telling journalists that ISIS has no grounding or justification in the Koran - and this is despite the ISIS mob occasionally reciting passages from the Koran to justify their actions.

;D ;D ;D

It's farcical how weak and pathetic so many of our Western leaders are. The UK's David Cameron is the same ... "Let's get one thing straight - this is NOT Islam ... "

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

They all are.  Some akbahing idiot commits murders and mass atrocities the first word out of the mouth of the idiots is that it has nothing to do with Islam.  Which is news to the akbahing idiot.  People are over the joke now though.

Let's hope this patent and embarrassing idiocy from the likes of Obama, Cameron, Turnbull, and other Western national leaders will prompt a new kind of politician to emerge for voting into leadership by the public. Ones who won't feel obliged to first 'consult' with Muslim leaders before initiating and putting into place new laws designed to make the public safer from Islamic terrorism.

We've already seen Hungary and others in the Eastern bloc with leaders who aren't afraid to call a spade a spade, and who have openly expressed the opinion that Muslim immigration has produced ... Quote: "unique problems for our country".

Powder-puffs like Turnbull are a godsend to people like Australia's Grand Mufti and the rest of the Muslim community. Just a glad-handing appeaser.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:36pm: They all are.  Some akbahing idiot commits murders and mass atrocities the first word out of the mouth of the idiots is that it has nothing to do with Islam.  Which is news to the akbahing idiot.  People are over the joke now though.  Let's hope this patent and embarrassing idiocy from the likes of Obama, Cameron, Turnbull, and other Western national leaders will prompt a new kind of politician to emerge for voting into leadership by the public. Ones who won't feel obliged to first 'consult' with Muslim leaders before initiating and putting into place new laws designed to make the public safer from Islamic terrorism. We've already seen Hungary and others in the Eastern bloc with leaders who aren't afraid to call a spade a spade, and who have openly expressed the opinion that Muslim immigration has produced ... Quote: "unique problems for our country". Powder-puffs like Turnbull are a godsend to people like Australia's Grand Mufti and the rest of the Muslim community. Just a glad-handing appeaser.

The only solution:

All terrorists should be hanged in public in the center of
either Melbourne or Sydney.

Free beer should be given to all those who watch.

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

It's your loyalty to your imaginary 'side' that is blinding you from thinking properly. Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D

There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS.

There would be NO Islamic State if the supposed vast majority of Muslims were against it.  They are not. They are for a caliphate, it is a requirement in Islam. They might squirms about the blood and brutality but none of the blood and brutality is un-Islamic so they all look at the shuffling feet and mumble, at best. They are certain;ly not doing anyting about it - other than turn tail and stream into European welfare dependency.

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate and they put up with the brutality as a cost that has to be paid (by infidels, apostates, Jews, Christians, etc).


It's a massive mistake to think that Muslims 'are like us'.

They are Muslims. They are like other Muslims. They KNOW how they are different from us. It is stupid and suicidal to insist that they are like us when they do not for a moment think that.

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:12pm: It's your loyalty to your imaginary 'side' that is blinding you from thinking properly. Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS. There would be NO Islamic State if the supposed vast majority of Muslims were against it.  They are not. They are for a caliphate, it is a requirement in Islam. They might squirms about the blood and brutality but none of the blood and brutality is un-Islamic so they all look at the shuffling feet and mumble, at best. They are certain;ly not doing anyting about it - other than turn tail and stream into European welfare dependency. The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate and they put up with the brutality as a cost that has to be paid (by infidels, apostates, Jews, Christians, etc). It's a massive mistake to think that Muslims 'are like us'. They are Muslims. They are like other Muslims. They KNOW how they are different from us. It is stupid and suicidal to insist that they are like us when they do not for a moment think that.

Very well said.

The bulk of the West's Muslim community are sleepers against the time when our own namby-pamby, ever-so-nice politicians will finally grant them mandatory shared power in government as a solution for appeasing their demands for recognition as a separate group from the mainstream.

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

. Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D

Islam is not merely 'critiquing' the West from an equally enlightened and truth-valuing position.
Like Marxists, Greens, Nazis, anarchists and a few other identity group, Islam is purposefully undermining the West and it's core values: it wants to supplant individual rights with group rights (Muslims being the in-group, of course), freedom of speech with self-censorship and blasphemy laws, equal dignity to all humans with sex discrimination along Koranic lines, freedom of religion and conscience and the press with dhimmitude to non-Muslims, censorship and speech-codes. etc, etc.

That is not mere 'critique. That's a frontal attack.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:51pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one. You did - in a 'deniable' way. You are always looking to excuse the 'other' and blame the West.  You have never once sided with your own Western inheritance (if that IS your inheritance (I am beginning to doubt it)) against the creeping barbarism of a lot of the 'others'. You may well be an English speaking barbarian yourself. Language and all it entails - culture, habits of mind, degree of enlightenment - doesn't seem to matter any more now, now that education has been debased. Nowadays Jihadi John is a monolingual Brummie.  You may well be a monolingual Ocker cultural alien. So in other words, no, you just made it all up. Pathetic.

I am a European opposed to Islam in all its forms. I think Islam is the opposite of every European ideal so I do not think that you can be a Muslim and a European.

Australia is an essentially European country - it has been created by Europeans, especially by he British and that is it's undeniable character, a character that should not be changed.

I am for integration and assimilation. I do not support multiculturalism because it is a lie and and a fantasy.

Australia will be buggered when it becomes a country with more Chinese, Indian or Arab/Muslim characteristics. These cultures bring nothing that improves on the Britannic inheritance and character of Australia. Destroy Australia's essential Britishness and it will be like Brazil, Argentina, South Africa - buggered.

Not to mention that the Chinese and the Arabs and the Indian will not valorise the  multiculti pap the way the anglos do and so the efniks will be at each other's`throats because the Britannic ideal of live and let live is not their creed.

Multiculturalism will collapse not because whitey but because the various tinted races who have no notion of muticulturalism. Look at Burma, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, the Middle East - the idea of tolerance and getting along is the LAST thing in their minds. And they are all bringing that mindless intolerance here, to Australia, Europe, America, Canada, etc.

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS.

no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you.

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

from YOUR LINK

In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.


:D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

A lovely link, Sore End. Thank you.

Now, how about a link that supports your claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate"?

Hmmm?

mothra wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one.

Absolutely you did. And you do.

You think ISIS is an American creation and so you propose that the Paris massacre was an American sponsored even.


You bastards go around hinting, slippin' an slidin' and when anyone puts you on the spot you are immediately onto the 'I didn't say that' BS.  You are all dishonest propagandists so you will never ever speak honestly and openly and as individuals. 

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

You bastards go around hinting, slippin' an slidin' and when anyone puts you on the spot you are immediately onto the 'I didn't say that' BS.

speaking of which, when did she say  'ISIS is an American creation and so you propose that the Paris massacre was an American sponsored even.'

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:49pm: Because of ISIS Soren. You know? ISIS. You do know where they started out? So if we have political instability in the Middle East it's OK for the natives to go to Paris and kill 130 Parisians because they are angry about Boy Assad and that he is resisting their takeover bid. But they are not angry about Boy Assad and his Western allies because he has no Western allies. He is THE dictator NOT supported by the West but by Iran and Russia - yet the angry Muslims will go and kill Parisians and you think it's somehow the fault of the French that the Muslims are massacring them. Twisted and stupid don't even begin to describe your mindset. Did i say that Soren? Did i say anything even remotely hinting at that? You shouldn't just make up a new argument when you've lost the old one. Absolutely you did. And you do. You think ISIS is an American creation and so you propose that the Paris massacre was an American sponsored even. You bastards go around hinting, slippin' an slidin' and when anyone puts you on the spot you are immediately onto the 'I didn't say that' BS.  You are all dishonest propagandists so you will never ever speak honestly and openly and as individuals.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Islamic inspired atrocities are not going away, in fact, I think they may have worked out a winning formula.  No worries dicking about with tricky explosives, just gather together a few fellow cultists, equip them with cheap weapons and point them toward a popular spot.  They have been busy fine tuning the tactics in buildings where people are confined. 

And all the more the luvvies deflect, defend, mitigate and use sophistry the more diminished they will be. 

This poo ain't going away.  Europe is waking up slowly. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

There's recent footage showing Obama mouthing the absurdity that "ISIS is NOT Islamic". Farcical.

"Islamic State is not Islamic and not a State'"

Barry O'Bama.

Bring on the Trump. I would love to see Trump disrupt all this BS. There has been a thickening fog since Bill's dik was sucked back in he 90s.

Get Trump into the White House and let get back to 1801-1805 when the US Navy was formed and kicked the stuffing outa the Muslim Barbary Corsairs.


You can't reason with them , might as well kick the shite outa them.  Worked 200 years ago, will work now. Taking Muslims serious 'AS IF' they were just like the West is the biggest mistake - and it's being made again and again.  They KNOW they are not like us - why do we INSIST on treating them as if they were? THEY don't think they are like us. Why not believe them?????


Gandy - Why should we treat Muslims as if they ere just like Westerners?? Isn't that insane?


Explain, Gandy.i

Where's my link, Sore End?

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:12pm: . Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D Islam is note merely 'critiquing' the West from an equally enlightened and truth-valuing position. Like Marxists, Greens, Nazis, anarchists and a few other identity group, Islam is purposefully undermining the West and it's core values: it wants to supplant individual rights with group rights (Muslims being the in-group, of course), freedom of speech with self-censorship and blasphemy laws, equal dignity to all humans with sex discrimination along Koranic lines, freedom of religion and conscience and the press with dhimmitude to non-Muslims, censorship and speech-codes. etc, etc. That is not mere 'critique. That's a frontal attack.

My critiquing comment was not about muslims critiquing the west, it was about westerners critiquing the west. Something which I think you knew but pretended otherwise  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 4:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:12pm: . Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D Islam is note merely 'critiquing' the West from an equally enlightened and truth-valuing position. Like Marxists, Greens, Nazis, anarchists and a few other identity group, Islam is purposefully undermining the West and it's core values: it wants to supplant individual rights with group rights (Muslims being the in-group, of course), freedom of speech with self-censorship and blasphemy laws, equal dignity to all humans with sex discrimination along Koranic lines, freedom of religion and conscience and the press with dhimmitude to non-Muslims, censorship and speech-codes. etc, etc. That is not mere 'critique. That's a frontal attack. My critiquing comment was not about muslims critiquing the west, it was about westerners critiquing the west. Something which I think you knew but pretended otherwise  :D :D :D

Stop distracting Sore End, John.

He's trying to find me a link.

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

Taking Muslims serious 'AS IF' they were just like the West is the biggest mistake - and it's being made again and again.  They KNOW they are not like us - why do we INSIST on treating them as if they were? THEY don't think they are like us. Why not believe them?????

A very good point that ought to be repeated on a regular basis until people wake up to the fact that we have Muslim cuckoo-birds laying their eggs in our own national nest - and at a much faster rate than the rest of us are breeding our own 'kuffar' hatchlings.

They are not of our species, but are using our own amenities and 21st century privileges and developments to advance their own colonialist ambitions for eventually gaining a foothold at the top of our national totem pole.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Islamic inspired atrocities are not going away, in fact, I think they may have worked out a winning formula.  No worries dicking about with tricky explosives, just gather together a few fellow cultists, equip them with cheap weapons and point them toward a popular spot.  They have been busy fine tuning the tactics in buildings where people are confined.  And all the more the luvvies deflect, defend, mitigate and use sophistry the more diminished they will be.  This poo ain't going away.  Europe is waking up slowly.

This shít is going to get a lot worse until finally, and hopefully - inshallah - Western politicians themselves will become the target of suicide bombers and gun-toting Muslims spreading their guts out onto the pavements.

Nothing less will prompt our politicians to make a sincere and concerted effort to sort out the Hostiles from the Passives in our Muslim communities. This needs to be done on an individual basis just as happens in the Detention Centres.

No jailings - just forced deportations in the general direction of the Middle East. Or even send them to Germany to cuddle up to Merkel's ample bosom.

I really doubt that would make a difference herb.
They'd probably hold an interfaith service in a mosque and have a week of love-ins. The ABC would run 24/7 programming on the benefits of multiculti and discussions on how it was all Tony Abbott's fault

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate A lovely link, Sore End. Thank you. Now, how about a link that supports your claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate"? Hmmm?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_quaire.pdf

Q27 - F 28 b.
page 8.


the whole report: http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 and http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS. no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you.

So now the Islamic State is about me??

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate A lovely link, Sore End. Thank you. Now, how about a link that supports your claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate"? Hmmm? http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_quaire.pdf Q27 - F 28 b. page 8. the whole report: http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 and http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07

That doesn't support you claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate".

Shall we leave it there, or do you wish to keep embarrassing yourself.

I'm easy, either way.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate A lovely link, Sore End. Thank you. Now, how about a link that supports your claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate"? Hmmm? http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_quaire.pdf Q27 - F 28 b. page 8. the whole report: http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 and http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 That doesn't support you claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate". Shall we leave it there, or do you wish to keep embarrassing yourself. I'm easy, either way.

Of course it does.

It also supports my other, much more important claim:

It's a massive mistake to think that Muslims 'are like us'. They are Muslims. They are like other Muslims. They KNOW how they are different from us. It is stupid and suicidal to insist that they are like us when they do not for a moment think that.

Grapple with that.

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:48am: Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate A lovely link, Sore End. Thank you. Now, how about a link that supports your claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate"? Hmmm? http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_quaire.pdf Q27 - F 28 b. page 8. the whole report: http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 and http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346&date=2013-01-07 That doesn't support you claim that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate". Shall we leave it there, or do you wish to keep embarrassing yourself. I'm easy, either way. Of course it does.

It does no such thing.

OK, we've decided on option (b): you want to keep embarrassing yourself.

I can go with that.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

I really doubt that would make a difference herb. They'd probably hold an interfaith service in a mosque and have a week of love-ins. The ABC would run 24/7 programming on the benefits of multiculti and discussions on how it was all Tony Abbott's fault

The US presidential hopeful Donald Trump is talking about putting all of their Muslims on a registry - and closing down the mosques ... and polls are showing he has a lot of support from the general public with these ideas.

The West's moves towards sanitising their own Muslim Communities is hotting up. People are tired of appeasement and political correctness from limp-wristed politicians.


"All Muslims living in the United States might be forced to register their personal information in a federal database if Donald Trump is elected president.

On Thursday night, the billionaire Republican presidential candidate told an NBC reporter that all American Muslims “have to be” required to registered in a database in the wake of deadly terror attacks in Paris and Beirut.

“I would certainly implement that — absolutely,” Trump said when asked about forcing registration of the 5 million to 12 million Muslims living in America.

**

"Though shutting down mosques would be objectively extreme, recent polling has shown the idea is resonating with some Republicans. On Thursday, Public Policy Polling found that 27 percent of Republican primary voters support that the idea of shutting down all mosques in the U.S.

The idea of stepping up domestic surveillance on U.S. mosques and even shutting some of them down — as France has promised to do recently following terrorist attacks in Paris — was floated this week by Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump. Trump said he would “Yahoo News in an interview published Thursday. “We’re going to have to do things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago,” he said.

**

But among voters who are already committed to a candidate, the numbers become much starker. The poll found a higher percentage of Cruz and Trump supporters — 41 percent and 37 percent, respectively — support shutting down U.S. mosques.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 4:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:12pm: . Most Muslims are not on Isis' 'side'. But you're so caught up in your 'side' that you're blind to the truth. Someone can critique the west without being on the opposing side. Or do you think the west is beyond reproach? :D :D :D Islam is note merely 'critiquing' the West from an equally enlightened and truth-valuing position. Like Marxists, Greens, Nazis, anarchists and a few other identity group, Islam is purposefully undermining the West and it's core values: it wants to supplant individual rights with group rights (Muslims being the in-group, of course), freedom of speech with self-censorship and blasphemy laws, equal dignity to all humans with sex discrimination along Koranic lines, freedom of religion and conscience and the press with dhimmitude to non-Muslims, censorship and speech-codes. etc, etc. That is not mere 'critique. That's a frontal attack. My critiquing comment was not about muslims critiquing the west, it was about westerners critiquing the west. Something which I think you knew but pretended otherwise  :D :D :D Stop distracting Sore End, John. He's trying to find me a link.

no, he's ignoring your request in the hope that you forget about it.

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS. no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you. So now the Islamic State is about me??

Not just you .... you and your whole brethren of haters

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:42am: John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS. no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you. So now the Islamic State is about me?? Not just you .... you and your whole brethren of haters

;D ;D ;D

They are beheading aid workers because and massacre concert goers we hate them for beheading aid workers and massacring concert goers.

It makes sense to you and the Grand Miff-ti, I can see that.

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate from YOUR LINK In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. :D :D :D :D

It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever.  They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim  masses.

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:13pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate from YOUR LINK In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. :D :D :D :D It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever.  They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim  masses.

They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:11pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:13pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate from YOUR LINK In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. :D :D :D :D It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever.  They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim  masses. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists.

An aspect (another one) where there is no observable difference between the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority'.

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:13pm: Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:11pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:13pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate from YOUR LINK In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. :D :D :D :D It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever.  They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim  masses. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists. An aspect (another one) where there is no observable difference between the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority'.

So far from being true, thats it's laughable.

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

This is apparently the Encyclopedia Britannica proving that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate":


Quote:

n the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Its like you're not even trying to make your bs sound convincing anymore S

I believe this is yours, Soren:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ke-WJst3NLw/hqdefault.jpg

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:21am: Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:42am: John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:10pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS. no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you. So now the Islamic State is about me?? Not just you .... you and your whole brethren of haters ;D ;D ;D They are beheading aid workers because and massacre concert goers we hate them for beheading aid workers and massacring concert goers. It makes sense to you and the Grand Miff-ti, I can see that.

makes sense?

They hate you so they feel justified in killing you ... now where else have I heard that before? :D :D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:13pm: Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate from YOUR LINK In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. :D :D :D :D It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever.  They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim  masses.

blah blah blah ... now you said something about most muslims supporting a caliphate?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:09pm: The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate Link? http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate This is apparently the Encyclopedia Britannica proving that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate": Quote: n the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected. Its like you're not even trying to make your bs sound convincing anymore S

Yes, but the old boy's a victim of early-onset Altzheimers, so he can't be stupid or mendacious.

No one has the right to not be offended - except the old boy.

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism.

It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam)  = caliphate.



Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam.

That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism. It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam)  = caliphate. Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam. That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr04/27/16/anigif_enhanced-9718-1401224240-12.gif

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine

rubbish.


Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

it started with Mohammed

and rubbish

Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate-  to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it.

This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness.

And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims.

Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism. It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam)  = caliphate. Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam. That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion. http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr04/27/16/anigif_enhanced-9718-1401224240-12.gif

No beards here, Greggery. They do offend the old boy so.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine rubbish. Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: it started with Mohammed and rubbish Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate-  to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it. This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness. And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims. Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

We can’t offend the old boy, G. That’s haram.

You have to agree with him.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine rubbish. Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: it started with Mohammed and rubbish Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate-  to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it. This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness. And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims. Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle "in the path of Allah," or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.
Islamic Imperialism: A History  By Efraim Karsh. See chapter 4, The house of Islam and the House of War.

See also Q. 9:1-6, 28, 30-33

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:18pm: Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine rubbish. Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:49pm: it started with Mohammed and rubbish Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate-  to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it. This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness. And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims. Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse. As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle "in the path of Allah," or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.

I agree, old chap. It hasn't happened for 1300 years, but we live in hope.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, no?

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War)

This concept of the world being divided into these "houses" was concocted long after Muhammad, and has no basis whatsoever in any Islamic scripture - either Quranic or hadithic.

Your conflating of the Quranic command to struggle "in the path of Allah" with physical war and conquest has been pointed out to you before, and can be easily disproven in the succinct verse "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace" (5:16).

Your case for an Islamic doctrinal basis for a subjugating world caliphate fails - but more importantly, your outrageous claim that the "vast majority" of muslims support this fails even more.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 10:06am: This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) This concept of the world being divided into these "houses" was concocted long after Muhammad, and has no basis whatsoever in any Islamic scripture - either Quranic or hadithic. Your conflating of the Quranic command to struggle "in the path of Allah" with physical war and conquest has been pointed out to you before, and can be easily disproven in the succinct verse "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace" (5:16). Your case for an Islamic doctrinal basis for a subjugating world caliphate fails - but more importantly, your outrageous claim that the "vast majority" of muslims support this fails even more.

It doesn't fail at all.
The Koran is like Newton's Third Law of Motion: for every Koranic claim there is an equal and opposite Koranic claim.

Re House of War - who 'concocted' the idea?   It is traced back to Mohammed's ultimatum to the Persians and others to convert.

Calipahe:
Caliph/Caliphate
Term adopted by dynastic rulers of the Muslim world, referring to the successor to the Prophet Muhammad as the political-military ruler of Muslim community. The first four successors to that office were chosen by consensus of the Muslim community's elders and were known as leaders of the believers. After them, the caliphate became hereditary. Two principal dynasties, the Umayyads and Abbasids, dominated the caliphate until 1258 . The Mamluk sultanate kept members of the Abbasid family as titular caliphs in Cairo until the Ottoman conquest of Egypt in 1517 . Ottoman sultans were then widely recognized as caliphs until abolition of the caliphate in 1924 . The caliph's functions classically are the enforcement of law, defense and expansion of the realm of Islam, distribution of funds (booty and alms), and general supervision of government. It is not a spiritual office, but the institution was imbued with political and religious symbolism, particularly regarding the unity of the Muslim community.
http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e400

Are you really trying to deny the unity of Muslims in an ummah which, ultimately, should come under a rightly guided successor of Mohammed??

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

Are you really trying to deny the unity of Muslims in an ummah...?

Of course not. Your confusing this with a contiguous muslim-dominated geographical entity, necessarily conquered through physical warfare is where you fail.

The "ummah" already exists - its called "the muslim community" - and stretches the entire globe. Some of it exists in muslim majority nations ruled by muslims, and some of it exists in non-muslim ruled countries. It matters not one iota - provided muslims are free to perform their worship (which ironically we have more freedom in most non-muslim countries than we do in so-called muslim countries).

The "Islamic State" in true Islam is nothing more than a state of mind - a "state" in which a community of muslims are free to carry out their worship. That is why muslims living in a place like the US or Australia have the best "Islamic state" they could ever hope for. After this, the call for a physical and subjugating "Islamic state" somewhere specific in the world is not only redundant - it is superficial, base and a wholly secular political desire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZ0Qmqn3Wo

"Fight, O Muslim, in the path of Allah for a wholly secular polity" - yeah, right.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

provided muslims are free to perform their worship (which ironically we have more freedom in most non-muslim countries than we do in so-called muslim countries). The "Islamic State" in true Islam is nothing more than a state of mind - a "state" in which a community of muslims are free to carry out their worship. That is why muslims living in a place like the US or Australia have the best "Islamic state" they could ever hope for. After this, the call for a physical and subjugating "Islamic state" somewhere specific in the world is not only redundant - it is superficial, base and a wholly secular political desire.

Irony doesn't even begin to cover it.  Why is it that autonomous, self-directing Muslims get Islam wrong (Religion of Peace, don't you know) in so many countries where there is NO opposition to Islam: Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Labia, Egypt, Yemen, etc, etc.


There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society - so now they are saying, like you, that the secular, democratic kuffar state has always been what they wanted all along. Very well, the West has given Muslims countless opportunities to have democracy and it always ended in a blood-bath, most recently in Iraq and Labia but also Syria.


Just utter nonsense.  You guys will say anything, no matter how self-contradictory.

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ...

Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom?

Who would you like it to be?

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Why is it that autonomous, self-directing Muslims get Islam wrong (Religion of Peace, don't you know) in so many countries where there is NO opposition to Islam: Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Labia, Egypt, Yemen, etc, etc.

lol you can start by getting the most basic facts right.

There is a huge amount of opposition to Islam in most of those countries. You might have missed the little incident in Egypt where another secular dictator overthrew a democratically elected muslim government, and is currently running rampant arresting without charge anyone that even smells like an Islamist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: Why is it that autonomous, self-directing Muslims get Islam wrong (Religion of Peace, don't you know) in so many countries where there is NO opposition to Islam: Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Labia, Egypt, Yemen, etc, etc. lol you can start by getting the most basic facts right. There is a huge amount of opposition to Islam in most of those countries. You might have missed the little incident in Egypt where another secular dictator overthrew a democratically elected muslim government, and is currently running rampant arresting without charge anyone that even smells like an Islamist.

Or Syria, where a secular dictator is currently engaged in a war with Islamists. Or Iraq, where a secular dictator was deposed to allow the Islamists to prevail. Or Pakistan, who's military is backed by Uncle to keep the Islamists away.

Always absolutely never ever EVER. One day, the old boy might get his basic facts right.

We live in hope, no?

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be?

The people who live in those particular societies.

Who else?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be? The people who live in those particular societies. Who else?

I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him.

He likes Danish.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be? The people who live in those particular societies. Who else?

You mean the ones streaming into Europe?
Pakis, Afghans, Kosovars, Syrians, Lebs, Pallos, Sudanese, Yemenis, Kuwaitis, Iranians, Egyptians, Labians, Tunisians, Gypos.

No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway.
It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels.




Ummah, innit?

No. There is no solidarity in the ummah. The whole 'ummah' idea is a load of bollocks. They are tribal, fractious and will cut each others throats sooner than help each other.

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be? The people who live in those particular societies. Who else? You mean the ones streaming into Europe? Or the ones streaming into neighbouring Muslim countries?

No.

I mean the ones living in those particular societies.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be? The people who live in those particular societies. Who else? I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish.

The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:14pm: There a 1.5 billion Muslims and they have not been able to establish a single well-functioning, attractive society ... Well-functioning and attractive, according to whom? Who would you like it to be? The people who live in those particular societies. Who else? I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV.

That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish.

Miam miam, no?

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no?

Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe. 

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.

"superior" is subjective, old boy.

That doesn't seem to be getting through to you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you.

Well, name a Muslim country that is subjectively OR objectively superior to the West in your subjective OR objective view of the world in its subjective OR objective state, OBJECTIVELY unflushable turd.

Just name a better Muslim country, dickead, FFS.

How did you get to be such a complete moron? I suspect you have been putting in a lot of effort. You are the kind of pr!ck who wants to be the biggest f Vcking arse'ole and is prepared to put in the hard work to win the title.

And so you succeed.


Say hello to Arsey (aka Mod. that other complete anal retentive).

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Well, name a Muslim country that is subjectively OR objectively superior to the West in your subjective OR objective view of the world in its subjective OR objective state, OBJECTIVELY unflushable turd. Just name a better Muslim country, dickead, for goodness sake. How did you get to be such a complete nice person? I suspect you have been putting in a lot of effort. You are the kind of pr!ck who wants to be the biggest f Vcking arse'ole and is prepared to put in the hard work to win the title. And so you succeed. Say hello to Arsey (aka Mod. that other complete anal retentive).

In my subjective view, there's no better place than Australia, Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Austria, or Canada.

I wouldn't live in a Muslim country if you paid me.

However, that's merely my subjective preference.

Different strokes ... old boy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you.

Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west?

Oh that's right, to an apologist lefty all societies are equal. 

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west?

Quite a few.

How many fleeing Australia?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west? Quite a few. How many fleeing Australia?

Don't know.  How many?

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west? Quite a few. How many fleeing Australia? Don't know.  How many?

Don't know.

It's irrelevant.

Just as irrelevant as those "fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west".

Capiche?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west? Quite a few. How many fleeing Australia? Don't know.  How many? Don't know. It's irrelevant. Just as irrelevant as those "fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west". Capiche?

I guess you have missed the news of walls going up all over europe to keep put masses of fleeing Muslims. 

I guess it is all subjective innit.  They ain't fleeing, just out for a jog.   ::)

And the ones washed up here when Labor were in were just caught in rips.

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:57pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Numbers are objective.  How many fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west? Quite a few. How many fleeing Australia? Don't know.  How many? Don't know. It's irrelevant. Just as irrelevant as those "fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west". Capiche? I guess you have missed the news of walls going up all over europe to keep put masses of fleeing Muslims.  I guess it is all subjective innit.  They ain't fleeing, just out for a jog.   ::) And the ones washed up here when Labor were in were just caught in rips.

Many are fleeing.

Why are you so confused?

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:23pm: Melanias purse wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:46pm: I could be wrong, but I think the old boy wants those societies to be attractive to him. He likes Danish. The old boy thinks that everyone should be happy living on a quarter acre block, behind a white picket fence, with a 55" flat screen TV. That’s right - while the other three quarters of the world make his Danish. Miam miam, no? Stop sucking each other's d!cks and name a Muslim country that you find superior or more attractive than Australia, NZ, US, Canada, Western Europe.  "superior" is subjective, old boy. That doesn't seem to be getting through to you. Well, name a Muslim country that is subjectively OR objectively superior to the West in your subjective OR objective view of the world in its subjective OR objective state, OBJECTIVELY unflushable turd. Just name a better Muslim country, dickead, for goodness sake. How did you get to be such a complete nice person? I suspect you have been putting in a lot of effort. You are the kind of pr!ck who wants to be the biggest f Vcking arse'ole and is prepared to put in the hard work to win the title. And so you succeed. Say hello to Arsey (aka Mod. that other complete anal retentive).

Looks like the old boy’s trying to assimilate. He’s been watching They’re a Wierd Mob again.

Thanks, old boy. Ask Greggery to pass the dessicated anus again.

You’ll be one of us in no time at all. A real dinky di Arsey.

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway. It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels.

Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge and settlement in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia.

Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:17pm: No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway. It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels. Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge and settlement in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia. Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness?

It's early-onset Alzheimer's. No offending thanks, G. The old boy can't help it. He does have his rights, you know.

If you want to offend someone, go for Unflushable, PB, or the dirty little invert.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:17pm: No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway. It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels. Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge and settlement in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia. Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness?

"and settlement", eh?? They want to start a new life in Pakistan just when the Pakistanis are streaming into Europe.  And Malaysia and Indonesia are now settling Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees. How humanitarian. They apparently wouldn't settle Iraqis and Iranians and Afghans so those guys had to set sail for the Great Southern Kuffarland and now also for Europe.

You do have some evidence of this "and settlement" claim, I hope. Please share it with us.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:02pm: I guess you have missed the news of walls going up all over europe to keep put masses of fleeing Muslims.  I guess it is all subjective innit.  They ain't fleeing, just out for a jog.   ::) And the ones washed up here when Labor were in were just caught in rips. Many are fleeing. Why are you so confused?

Yeah, fleeing is a subjective thing gweggy, as you keep insisting. That they are refugees or asylum seekers or whatever is just their subjective opinion.

To Europeans, like your favorites,  they are invading hordes, to be kept out by fences.

All subjective, innit. Different strokes, what?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:50pm: Quite a few. How many fleeing Australia? Don't know.  How many? Don't know. It's irrelevant. Just as irrelevant as those "fleeing their own shithole societies into the decadent infidel west". Capiche?

Can you say at least ONE relevant thing, turdy?
You get on every thread and bombard people with irrelevant crap.

Post something relevant, if it doesn't kill you.

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 5:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 3:43pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:17pm: No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway. It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels. Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge and settlement in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia. Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness? "and settlement", eh?? They want to start a new life in Pakistan just when the Pakistanis are streaming into Europe.  And Malaysia and Indonesia are now settling Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees. How humanitarian. They apparently wouldn't settle Iraqis and Iranians and Afghans so those guys had to set sail for the Great Southern Kuffarland and now also for Europe. You do have some evidence of this "and settlement" claim, I hope. Please share it with us.

Sure, the "evidence" is the fact that millions of displaced muslims are now living and working and schooling their kids in foreign muslim countries. Most refugees are not looking to start a new life in a far away country, most either dream of returning to their home, or are not even thinking that far ahead and are just living day by day, appreciative of the fact that they are no longer being bombed and harassed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 9:35am:

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 5:00pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 3:43pm: Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:17pm: No Muslim is seeking refuge and settlement  in another Muslim country.  Partly because it's no improvement on his particuilar hell=hole, partly because his M<uslim brivvers wouldn't take him in anyway. It's always up to the kuffar to to save the Musel from the other Musels. Absolutely - oh except the 4 million or so that have streamed into Turkey and Jordan and the Gulf from Syria - and counting. And not mentioning the 1.5 million AFghans seeking refuge and settlement in Pakistan, and we definitely won't mention the 100s of thousands of Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees who fled to Malaysia and Indonesia. Tell me S, when you serve up such tripe day in day out, are you thinking stupidity or mendatiousness? "and settlement", eh?? They want to start a new life in Pakistan just when the Pakistanis are streaming into Europe.  And Malaysia and Indonesia are now settling Bangladeshi and Burmese refugees. How humanitarian. They apparently wouldn't settle Iraqis and Iranians and Afghans so those guys had to set sail for the Great Southern Kuffarland and now also for Europe. You do have some evidence of this "and settlement" claim, I hope. Please share it with us. Sure, the "evidence" is the fact that millions of displaced muslims are now living and working and schooling their kids in foreign muslim countries. Most refugees are not looking to start a new life in a far away country, most either dream of returning to their home, or are not even thinking that far ahead and are just living day by day, appreciative of the fact that they are no longer being bombed and harassed.

The "settlement" issue is an old boy staple: Muselman countries don't provide permanent settlement to "their own people". I.e, Muslims (as if religion is the deciding factor here).

True, countries like Pakistan, Jordan, Indonesia, Malaysia and others don't always issue permanent visas or passports to their refugee populations. Indonesia and Malaysia aren't signatories to the refugee convention.

But these countries house the majority of the world's refugee population. Pakistan currently has over a million refugees. It has refugees from all over Central Asia - some there from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s, some from the constant flow of Muslims from India, including Kashmir Jammu. Jordan and Lebanon have refugees from the 6 Day war, having lived there since the 1960s. And as you point out, two Muslim-majority countries that are signatories to the refugee convention, Turkey and Lebanon, currently house over 4 million Syrian refugees between them. Nearly a quarter of Lebanon's population are refugees.

The settlement issue is an old boy ruse. Australia, a country with no land borders, does not settle refugees who arrive by boat. But comparing our own refugee intake process with the developing world is ludicrous. Australia is a nation of immigrants. Since WWII, we've relied on refugees (both European and Asian) to boost our declining population and provide economic growth.

Pakistan, by comparison, is a developing, land-locked and multi-ethnic society. In Pakistan, refugees settle along ethnic and tribal lines. Pashtuns in the north, Bolochs in the south, Punjabis in the east, and a host of other languages and racial groups that define identity in Pakistan. Pakistan does not rely on immigration to staff its economy, but Pakistan's porous borders and refugee intake define its politics and economy. One of its biggest refugee intakes, of course, was partition itself.

All the above countries have permanently settled refugees. Some of these refugees have permanent visas, some don't. Even India, a non-signatory to the UNHCR, permanently settles Tibetans, Nepalis, Sri Lankans and others, it just doesn't do this through the UNHCR, the so-called "queue". So does Indonesia, so does Malaysia, and so does Thailand, which has settled a number of tribal groups from Burma and even KMT refugees from the Chinese revolution.

To pretend the above countries don't settle refugees is mendacity of the highest order. Once again, the old boy deserves to be congratulated for his porkies. It just goes to show the difference between reality and old boy propaganda: triumphalist knucklehead opinion pieces in the Spectator and the Australian.

University of Balogney, innit.

moses wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:41pm:

All muslims believe the filth in the quran which causes terrorism is  divinely perfect, passed on to muslims from the demonic allah. Therefore by definition all muslims support the terrorism engendered by the divine degeneracy. If you think 1/4 of the earths population can overthrow a superiorly armed and educated 3/4  of the population, you're nuts. All you're doing is making excuses for muslims, you're afraid of muslims having to accept responsibility for themselves. You're desperate to shield muslims from the unpalatable truth that islam allah muhammad qur'an is the root cause of all the problems we have at the moment.

Have you ever read the Quran? I am 17 and read it.. I hope you are younger then me before spouting that type of hate.

Terrorism is what you see USA doing, or what Europeans have done for centuries.

Muslims for the most part are richer, and much more intelligent.. why do you think Pakistani run science and other measures in USA?

I can not wait to convert to Islam to prove this nonsense wrong.

Of course you should join islam, allah wants you.