This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job of protecting us against ISIS...


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Earlier, speaking in Germany before the terror attacks, Mr Turnbull yesterday distanced himself from Mr Abbott’s push suggesting a “political” solution to the crisis. “One thing that is perfectly clear in Syria, that the solution will ultimately be a political one,” Mr Turnbull said. “As you know Australia has made a very significant military commitment to the struggle against Daesh or the so-called Islamic State and we are working there with the Iraq government and of course with our allies the United States, the UK and others, but ultimately there needs to be a political solution to this absolutely catastrophic situation in Syria.” http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-pm-tony-abbott-warns-is-terrorists-are-hiding-in-flood-of-refugees/story-fni0cx12-1227609378270

A political solution in Syria? Turnbull is living in fantasyland if he believes that. ISIS don't care about politics - they only care about spreading their caliphate by any means necessary and only a military solution will stop them. Even that dictator Assad can't control them and he can be quite brutal when he wants to be. THAT is abundantly clear. Don't negotiate with terrorists. The only way to defeat ISIS is going to be with boots on the ground with soldiers killing terrorists. We might also need to reconsider taking any Muslims from Syria, as there is a good chance that at least some of them may be terrorists hiding among real refugees.

Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later.

Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott.
i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison.

Abbott was robbed of his moment.
Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats.

Conservative voters were robbed.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435

Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up

It was just a strategic decision - nothing personal as Fireball is saying they chose to go to a weak leader from a stupid one. Most people don't see much different especially since his supporters made him lock in and support all the most stupid policy.

53 47 is all that matters, to longy.

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 6:18am:

Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later.

Hear Hear!

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 7:46am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up It was just a strategic decision - nothing personal as Fireball is saying they chose to go to a weak leader from a stupid strong one. Most people don't see much different especially since his supporters made him lock in and support all the most stupid policy.

Fixed it for ya dopey.

Muttley wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. Hear Hear!

Rudd was very good in the GFC. Just saying.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:12am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. Hear Hear! Rudd was very good in the GFC. Just saying.

Yep he expanded the country's deficit to an all time low. Now the country and it's taxpayers are paying for it and will continue to do so for a long long time......

"Just saying"

The main problem with Turnbull is the party that is backing him...

Likewise with Rudd.

Oh, and it's the actual job that is flawed.

Its time wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

53 47 is all that matters, to longy.

I prefer 36 24 34.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:12am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. Hear Hear! Rudd was very good in the GFC. Just saying.

In collaboration with Swan they got it spot on, can you imagine a Liberal government trying to implement Austerity measures through the GFC ? bugger me, take a look at damage the 2014 budget did , with no GFC. Adults my arse.

Muttley wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:17am: Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:12am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. Hear Hear! Rudd was very good in the GFC. Just saying. Yep he expanded the country's deficit to an all time low. Now the country and it's taxpayers are paying for it and will continue to do so for a long long time...... "Just saying"

That would be the structural Budget deficit created by Howard & Costello, the Profligate Twins. Became a cash deficit when the GFC ended the credit fuelled real estate boom, 2001–7. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

So Rudd was good there, maybe Turncoat will be good if we have an attack here.

Muttley wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:13am:

Fixed it for ya dopey.

;D ;D ;D

you think Abbott was a strong leader? then you're just as stupid as he was. Abbott changed his position on just about everything he announced, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Thats a weak leader, not a strong one.

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:13am: Fixed it for ya dopey. ;D ;D ;D you think Abbott was a strong leader? then you're just as stupid as he was. Abbott changed his position on just about everything he announced, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Thats a weak leader, not a strong one.

Yup.

Just because abbott was a thug doesn’t mean he was a strong Leader.

Abort was one dimensional, it was all about keeping refugees out, behind that there was precisely zero policy with substance and long term vision for Australia.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Its time wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:56am: 53 47 is all that matters, to longy. I prefer 36 24 34.

Nice one  ;)

Muttley wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:17am: Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:12am: Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. Hear Hear! Rudd was very good in the GFC. Just saying. Yep he expanded the country's deficit to an all time low. Now the country and it's taxpayers are paying for it and will continue to do so for a long long time...... "Just saying"

Well done Rudd  ;D

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-15/national-security-'cannot-be-dictated-by-terrorists'/6942202

Mr Turnbull said finding a political solution to the situation in Syria was imperative.

"Ultimately, there has to be a political solution. The military angle is very important, it is very important that Daesh is confronted and defeated militarily, but longer term, the stability of Syria, the stability that will enable those millions of refugees to return to their homes, will depend on a political solution," he said.

"That, of course, is what is being pursued in the talks in Vienna, and elsewhere."

Don't get me wrong - I am just as angry as anyone about these attacks

What Turnbull says is to get rid of Daesh i.e. ISIS

But once we kill them - another group will rise up to take control

So we have to exert political control on the new group

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:13am: Fixed it for ya dopey. ;D ;D ;D you think Abbott was a strong leader? then you're just as stupid as he was. Abbott changed his position on just about everything he announced, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Thats a weak leader, not a strong one.

Nice to see you're paying attention Jack.......

John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

Muttley wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:13am: Fixed it for ya dopey. ;D ;D ;D you think Abbott was a strong leader? then you're just as stupid as he was. Abbott changed his position on just about everything he announced, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Thats a weak leader, not a strong one.

The evidence tells the tale - and I have to agree with John here.

Abbott's initial resolve on free speech laws and security matters slowly melted into a wet blob on the floor as a result of constant forelock-pulling towards leaders of the Muslim community - who he 'consulted' in humiliating manner on every issue that even vaguely touched upon Islam.

He became utterly irrelevant in the end, and it was all the more shameful in hindsight after he made his speech to the British parliament where he warned against letting in yet more immigrant and refugee Muslims as they were putting European civilisation in danger of dragging it back to the Dark Ages through Islamisation.

In the end he proved to be one of the weakest prime ministers we've ever had. It was only Morrison who had kept him looking good for a while after his election to office.

The 18c racial vilification law that he was going to dump ... chickened out in the end.

The 12,000 Syrian refugees were going to be Christians and a small number of boutique little Islamic sects ... Again ... he chickened out on that.

Over and over he capitulated to lobbying from the Muslim community, until he was just a bloody useless shell of a man.

But now we have yet another appeaser and jelly-back as our prime minister.

Turnbull.. quote: "We cannot allow our national security or our national security policies to be dictated to by terrorists".

Translation: "We'll sit on our hands and do FA about upgrading our security initiatives as this might upset the Muslim Community and their Leaders".

That's precisely the subtext to what this daaaarling of the Chardonnay set is telling us.

Do we get the leaders we deserve?

I vote for the affirmative.

This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job

You watch the turkeys vote for him at the election

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 5:06am:

This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job of protecting us against ISIS... Quote: Earlier, speaking in Germany before the terror attacks, Mr Turnbull yesterday distanced himself from Mr Abbott’s push suggesting a “political” solution to the crisis. “One thing that is perfectly clear in Syria, that the solution will ultimately be a political one,” Mr Turnbull said. “As you know Australia has made a very significant military commitment to the struggle against Daesh or the so-called Islamic State and we are working there with the Iraq government and of course with our allies the United States, the UK and others, but ultimately there needs to be a political solution to this absolutely catastrophic situation in Syria.” http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-pm-tony-abbott-warns-is-terrorists-are-hiding-in-flood-of-refugees/story-fni0cx12-1227609378270 A political solution in Syria? Turnbull is living in fantasyland if he believes that. ISIS don't care about politics - they only care about spreading their caliphate by any means necessary and only a military solution will stop them. Even that dictator Assad can't control them and he can be quite brutal when he wants to be. THAT is abundantly clear. Don't negotiate with terrorists. The only way to defeat ISIS is going to be with boots on the ground with soldiers killing terrorists. We might also need to reconsider taking any Muslims from Syria, as there is a good chance that at least some of them may be terrorists hiding among real refugees.

He's using words: using the words 'political solution' can equally mean 'military solution' without having to use the words 'military solution'.

It's called: 'the art of "using words"'  ::) ::)

Yes, tone(as in dynamics, not 'tony phony tryhard copper internet tones' :-[ :-[ ::)) does come into it

Labor voter wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job You watch the turkeys vote for him at the election

Let's all vote for copper internet yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  :o :o :o

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

But now we have yet another appeaser and jelly-back as our prime minister. Turnbull.. quote: "We cannot allow our national security or our national security policies to be dictated to by terrorists". Translation: "We'll sit on our hands and do FA about upgrading our security initiatives as this might upset the Muslim Community and their Leaders". That's precisely the subtext to what this daaaarling of the Chardonnay set is telling us. Do we get the leaders we deserve? I vote for the affirmative.

You vote for anarchic fear my friend: you are the yellow chicken who thinks he knows what cards anarchy deals becoz you have smoked too much crack and think your drug dealers hard core enough to take care of you in such a world  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You must come down the dianella shops one day and take on one drunk c  u nt who would smash your hole  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Turnbull did ok. 

Time to raise the 3rd AIF.

Swagman wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Turnbull did ok.  Time to raise the 3rd AIF.

There was no 1st AIF... so this one would be.... ah.. yeah.. they did raise a 2nd....

"THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job ... "

... he's a member of the Liberal Government, who supports concentration camps, murder, rape, and child abuse.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

"THIS is why Turnbull is the man for the job ... " ... he's a member of the Liberal Government, who supports helping people with refugee facilities, even though the muslim scumbags murder, rape, and child abuse. What a heart.

He is a good man with a big heart, yes.

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 6:18am:

Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later.

You are correct - it is only a matter of time before an extreme act carried out by a trained cadre will occur here.  What we've had is a couple of ratbags killing a few defenceless civilians who had no means of defence - that is the essence of terrorism in one way - but only if it is organised.

I think a little tactical questioning is in order for a few of the suspects.................

greggorytosspottery wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:09pm: "THIS is why Turnbull is the man for the job ... " ... he's a member of the Liberal Government, who supports concentration camps, murder, rape, and child abuse. I support those things too.

I'm not surprised.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. You are correct - it is only a matter of time before an extreme act carried out by a trained cadre will occur here.  What we've had is a couple of ratbags killing a few defenceless civilians who had no means of defence - that is the essence of terrorism in one way - but only if it is organised. I think a little tactical questioning is in order for a few of the suspects.................

The modus seems to be of a slow wave.... why would they blow themselves up away from the stadiums massive crowd unless the purpose was just of 'hinting' volcanoes of jihad?

It's long term allright... it's pure ideology looking to encourage others :o :o

Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

"THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job ... " ... he's a member of the Liberal Government, who supports concentration camps, murder, rape, and child abuse.

There are no concentration camps.

There are. People shoved in there for indefinite terms and treated foully, inhumanly. If anything will make us a target that is it, much more than our miniscule “effort” in Syria.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:16am:

Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces.

Excellent Editorial, armchair.

You've got your finger on the pulse. You obviously don't take your authority from The Guardian or the ABC National Broadcaster.

Were there any streams of refugees fleeing Syria under the Assad regime?

Answer: No.

Putin is working on militarily defeating those groups which have created this diaspora of refugees from Syria. Police State dictatorships are the only political system that Muslims respect and understand. None of your namby-pamby, touchy-feely liberal democracies for them, thank you very much.

The happiest dogs are those with strict masters. It's the same with horses, as aquascoot will tell you. 

And the term 'refugees' has lost all real meaning since they began arriving in the West in great number.

These are obviously not 'refugees' otherwise they would be returning (and be returned by Western governments) to their homelands when it was safe to do so.

The fraud occurs when these people are initially deemed to be genuine refugees, but then Western governments tear up these verifying documents and re-label them as 'immigrants' not to be shipped back to Middle Eastern countries when it's safe to do so.

Australian troops have been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, and if after all this time and lives lost it's still not safe for our Afghan refugees to return to their country ... then every last man wearing an Australian uniform over there should be repatriated back to Australia at the earliest opportunity.

13 years of military engagement and it's still not safe for Afghan 'refugees' to be returned to their homeland?

What utter BS.

Australian soldiers have been stomping around Afghanistan now for longer than WWI and WWII combined. It has become a farce and a sick joke.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 5:06am:

This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job of protecting us against ISIS... Quote: Earlier, speaking in Germany before the terror attacks, Mr Turnbull yesterday distanced himself from Mr Abbott’s push suggesting a “political” solution to the crisis. “One thing that is perfectly clear in Syria, that the solution will ultimately be a political one,” Mr Turnbull said. “As you know Australia has made a very significant military commitment to the struggle against Daesh or the so-called Islamic State and we are working there with the Iraq government and of course with our allies the United States, the UK and others, but ultimately there needs to be a political solution to this absolutely catastrophic situation in Syria.” http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-pm-tony-abbott-warns-is-terrorists-are-hiding-in-flood-of-refugees/story-fni0cx12-1227609378270 A political solution in Syria? Turnbull is living in fantasyland if he believes that. ISIS don't care about politics - they only care about spreading their caliphate by any means necessary and only a military solution will stop them. Even that dictator Assad can't control them and he can be quite brutal when he wants to be. THAT is abundantly clear. Don't negotiate with terrorists. The only way to defeat ISIS is going to be with boots on the ground with soldiers killing terrorists. We might also need to reconsider taking any Muslims from Syria, as there is a good chance that at least some of them may be terrorists hiding among real refugees.

hes a whimp.... tell me one thing he has said thats changes anything???>>.I bet the ISIS mob are falling around laughing at him and us...gutless really look how he fell in with krudd....then stabbed his own in the back.. yuck oh I will never ever vote for him hes weak as water...politically correct doesnt do it for me...

go and talk the talk about CLIMATE CHANGE and how much money OZ will be chucking at it...

I am sure everyone in France will lap it all up.. oops and Egypt and Lebanon...I am sure Climate Change is their top priority....


but it makes some think they care and are doing something that will STOP CLIMATE CHANGE....... ::) ::)
dunno about you but I reckon that would make things 10 times worse.......dont say you werent warned...lolol

as long as these people fly planes all over the world...eat and drink  top of the range fare....in a 5 star hotel...driven about in gas gurgling cars... whats to worry about they will fix it just by talking not doing..... ::) ::) ::)

I really do doubt the mentality of people who are sucked in by all that drivel.... does Malc have a waterfront home???> I have a feeling he does... lololol

Swagman wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

Turnbull did ok.  Time to raise the 3rd AIF.

So would you be prepare for your tax rate to go up to pay for  the 3rd AIF or should Australia go into more debt to pay for the AIF

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 5:16am: Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces. Excellent Editorial, armchair. You've got your finger on the pulse. You obviously don't take your authority from The Guardian or the ABC National Broadcaster. Were there any streams of refugees fleeing Syria under the Assad regime? Answer: No. Putin is working on militarily defeating those groups which have created this diaspora of refugees from Syria. Police State dictatorships are the only political system that Muslims respect and understand. None of your namby-pamby, touchy-feely liberal democracies for them, thank you very much. The happiest dogs are those with strict masters. It's the same with horses, as aquascoot will tell you.

herbert , i was thinking about this in horse terms yesterday.
Here on planet earth, which i call "reality", the laws of nature apply.

Now the alpha horse gets the very best of the pasture.(of the resources).
So if we see oil as a resource,then the natural state is that the alpha gets the oil.
So the USA and russia are behaving quite correctly and in accordance with natural laws by taking the oil.

Now if the alpha is feasting on his resources and some runty little flea infested brunby that was there first, grabs some barbed wire and comes and chucks it at the big stallion what does he do?

Do you really think he should just retreat?

;) ;)

He will give that runt the asssss-whipping of its life.
he will chase that horse from sight , over the hills and it wont show its face again.

Now to get to australia.

in  a herd of maybe 40 horse, we are not the alpha. we might be the number 15 horse or there abouts.

Do we get involved in chasing off this runt who attacked the natural order of things and tried to destroy the harmony of the pasture.

unlikely.

the lead stallion (USA) and the lead mare (Mother Russia)  (who have been estranged but are now in therapy)  will do that for us.

we just go on munching away, we go up to the lead stallion (USA) and we probably groom him a bit....you see this with the higher horses, they will groom the lead horse, gentley nibble on his neck (its very sweet).

anyway, thats how i would call it.

if some of the horses (horses 5,6,7)  say( germany, england and france) want to befriend the runts and let them into their pasture, they are being most foolish.

the alpha wont like it, the runts will trash the place and try to dominate them.
what we should do is let them behave in a weak way. as they fall down the peck order, we will rise and get better resources.

If they arent interested in defending themselves, probably best their genes were removed from the herd or the whole herd will become extinct. ;)

Speaking from Turkey where he is attending the G20 summit, the Prime Minister said there was no reason to believe Australia was unsafe.

Turnbull can only be described as an idiot and a fool to say such a thing.

How can anybody with a modicum of commonsense declare Australia to be safe from a terrorist attack when Paris has just lost 129 lives to Muslims with guns and bombs all shouting "Allahu Akbar!"?

It's bizarre.

'Silly' is too mild a word to describe Turnbull's head-in-the-clouds (head-in-the-sand?) statement that Australians need not fear going the same way as the 129 killed in Paris.

And then we have him arguing against preparing ourselves to be on an equal footing with the terrorists so as to be better able to meet the threat from them.

To wit:

"We cannot allow our national security or our national security policies to be dictated to by terrorists ... "

What?

Don't upgrade and refine our preparedness for facing this threat from Muslims who want to kill us? Is he for real?

And then Turnbull removed hard-man Dutton from the National Security Committee ... the ideal person to have authority in this area.

"Tasmanian Liberal Andrew Nikolic — who served for 31 years in the Army and as a senior Defence bureaucrat before entering Parliament — said Mr Dutton should be given a permanent seat at the Cabinet's powerful National Security Committee (NSC).

Mr Dutton was dumped from the NSC when Malcolm Turnbull became prime minister, though he said at the time he would be invited back on a temporary basis if the situation demanded it".

Turnbull is obviously seeking the approval of the North Shore latte-set 'progressives' who are his peer group.

Perhaps Julie Bishop might be better as PM?

It's sickening how these hard right islamophobes are salivating over a major terror attack in Australia.
Grow up.

THIS is why Turnbull is not the man for the job

Turncoat is not the man for the job but this isn't the reason.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up

What is an ASSASSINATOR???


The word is ASSASSIN, you twit

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 5:16am: Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces. Excellent Editorial, armchair. You've got your finger on the pulse. You obviously don't take your authority from The Guardian or the ABC National Broadcaster. Were there any streams of refugees fleeing Syria under the Assad regime? Answer: No. Putin is working on militarily defeating those groups which have created this diaspora of refugees from Syria. Police State dictatorships are the only political system that Muslims respect and understand. None of your namby-pamby, touchy-feely liberal democracies for them, thank you very much. The happiest dogs are those with strict masters. It's the same with horses, as aquascoot will tell you.  And the term 'refugees' has lost all real meaning since they began arriving in the West in great number. These are obviously not 'refugees' otherwise they would be returning (and be returned by Western governments) to their homelands when it was safe to do so. The fraud occurs when these people are initially deemed to be genuine refugees, but then Western governments tear up these verifying documents and re-label them as 'immigrants' not to be shipped back to Middle Eastern countries when it's safe to do so. Australian troops have been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, and if after all this time and lives lost it's still not safe for our Afghan refugees to return to their country ... then every last man wearing an Australian uniform over there should be repatriated back to Australia at the earliest opportunity. 13 years of military engagement and it's still not safe for Afghan 'refugees' to be returned to their homeland? What utter BS. Australian soldiers have been stomping around Afghanistan now for longer than WWI and WWII combined. It has become a farce and a sick joke.

France was attached, Herbie. It’s a few thousand ks away.

Three days ago, Lebanon.was attached. Prior to that, it was Turkey. No one pretended we needed to become terrorists then.

Australia is in no more danger than it was. The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering.

You expect herb to pass up an opportunity like this?  :D :D :D :D :D

Another masterful Editorial from you, aquascoot.

For a long time gregg kept turning up to nibble my neck wherever he could find me in the paddocks of this board, but after a while his humble nibbling became a little more toothy until he was actually biting me for the Alpha position in the stable and out in the fields ...

... and so I bit his arse and chewed on his tail to the effect that he has now retreated to a respectful distance where he frolics with gamma, delta, epsilon, and even zeta status donkeys like 'Aussie', John Smith, mothra, and sundry other ungulates who are awaiting their turn to be driven to the knackers and the glue factories ... 

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:44am: The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering. You expect herb to pass up an opportunity like this?  :D :D :D :D :D

Every UK Daily Mail article is an.opportunity for HErb. Lebanon and Turkey were attacked last week.

I guess that wasn’t in the news.

herb,

2 things are going to happen.

i believe there will be a terrorist attack in russia (russia has too many muslims it is already at war with and it has lots of munitions).

Vlad will then really go to town on ISIS.

this threatens the USA military and they will also go ape-shiit (especially once obama is gone).

This wont be over quickly.

This is going to be another vietnam.

As per usual, the alphas will sort it out.

As for france lighting candles and singing songs....this serves only to weaken the spirit of the french people.
Theres nothing like a good fight to really make someone "come to life" (and indeed make an economy come to life).

Just look at the brits during WW2....everyone was pulling together,such esprit de corps (though i suppose even during the blitz, crook and the monk were still whining about penalty rates and unpaid overtime )


In  all the fields of human endeavour, they all pale into insignificance in comparison to war.
lets not be insignificant.
lets not side with mediocrity.
all that it requires for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing
i suppose that makes most of the western world no longer good men  ;)

Vlad had a plane load of Russians killed only last week, Aquascoot. Putin.doesn’t need a reason. He’s not there to get ISIS.

He’s there to get Uncle.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up What is an ASSASSINATOR??? The word is ASSASSIN, you twit

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/assassinator


assassinator 
Also found in: Legal, Wikipedia.
as·sas·si·nate  (ə-săs′ə-nāt′)
tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates
1. To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons.


Live and learn longweekend69er.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:36am:

There are. People shoved in there for indefinite terms and treated foully, inhumanly. If anything will make us a target that is it, much more than our miniscule “effort” in Syria.

Why dont you google 'concentration camps' just  to get a little more education.

We lost the was in SVN, we lost the peace in Iraq, we lost the war in Afghanistan. We will not win in Syria. We could, by really helping the Kurds but we won’t. It is all flag waving and rabble rousing.

Russia wants pipelines carrying its gas to Europe. Assad wants to help Russian with this, that is why Putin is bombing anybody not on Assad’s side.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering.

Treat us like children - or uneducated, uninformed Third World snot-nosed peasants, you mean?

Patronise us like a Father-Figure as is the custom in Third World dictatorships?

DON'T WORRY! ... Papa Malcolm will take care of EVERYTHING ....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 5:16am: Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces. Excellent Editorial, armchair. You've got your finger on the pulse. You obviously don't take your authority from The Guardian or the ABC National Broadcaster. Were there any streams of refugees fleeing Syria under the Assad regime? Answer: No. Putin is working on militarily defeating those groups which have created this diaspora of refugees from Syria. Police State dictatorships are the only political system that Muslims respect and understand. None of your namby-pamby, touchy-feely liberal democracies for them, thank you very much. The happiest dogs are those with strict masters. It's the same with horses, as aquascoot will tell you.  And the term 'refugees' has lost all real meaning since they began arriving in the West in great number. These are obviously not 'refugees' otherwise they would be returning (and be returned by Western governments) to their homelands when it was safe to do so. The fraud occurs when these people are initially deemed to be genuine refugees, but then Western governments tear up these verifying documents and re-label them as 'immigrants' not to be shipped back to Middle Eastern countries when it's safe to do so. Australian troops have been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, and if after all this time and lives lost it's still not safe for our Afghan refugees to return to their country ... then every last man wearing an Australian uniform over there should be repatriated back to Australia at the earliest opportunity. 13 years of military engagement and it's still not safe for Afghan 'refugees' to be returned to their homeland? What utter BS. Australian soldiers have been stomping around Afghanistan now for longer than WWI and WWII combined. It has become a farce and a sick joke. France was attached, Herbie. It’s a few thousand ks away. Three days ago, Lebanon.was attached. Prior to that, it was Turkey. No one pretended we needed to become terrorists then. Australia is in no more danger than it was. The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering.

The sensible thing is to send ISIS to hell. Quickly and either extreme prejudice. There is no reasoning; there is no peace. There is only death - theirs or ours. I choose theirs.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:44am: The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering. Treat us like children - or uneducated, uninformed Third World snot-nosed peasants, you mean? Patronise us like a Father-Figure as is the custom in Third World dictatorships? DON'T WORRY! ... Papa Malcolm will take care of EVERYTHING .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Aren’t all the RWNJs here crying for papa abbott to look after them?

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

It's sickening how these hard right islamophobes are salivating over a major terror attack in Australia. Grow up.

Since when does stating Islamic terrorists committed this atrocity - which they've claimed responsibility for - make one an Islamophobe? Your family has got to stop sleeping amongst each other!!!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

We lost the was in SVN, we lost the peace in Iraq, we lost the war in Afghanistan. We will not win in Syria. We could, by really helping the Kurds but we won’t. It is all flag waving and rabble rousing. Russia wants pipelines carrying its gas to Europe. Assad wants to help Russian with this, that is why Putin is bombing anybody not on Assad’s side.

on planet earth which i call "reality" this is how things work.
when you get your own planet you can set it up however you like  ;)

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up What are ASSASSINATORS??? The word is ASSASSINS, you twit

Made your correction correct for you, his creative word making was in plural and omitted the uncalled for insult.

I didn't have a problem with his creativity I understood what he was saying.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:44am: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 6:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 5:16am: Malcolm is sticking steadfastly to his "political solution" line and in doing so, is coming across more and more like those who advocated appeasement prior to the outbreak of World War II. Maybe it'll take an attack on a similar scale to that which occurred in Paris for Turnbull to see the folly of his thinking. He seems to have forgotten the edict given by ISIS since day one - CONVERT OR DIE. They aren't interested in a political solution. Not in the least and the only way to defeat them will be militarily. Tony foresaw this, but was shouted down by the do-gooders for being racist and alarmist. Those same people now have bloodied egg on their faces. Excellent Editorial, armchair. You've got your finger on the pulse. You obviously don't take your authority from The Guardian or the ABC National Broadcaster. Were there any streams of refugees fleeing Syria under the Assad regime? Answer: No. Putin is working on militarily defeating those groups which have created this diaspora of refugees from Syria. Police State dictatorships are the only political system that Muslims respect and understand. None of your namby-pamby, touchy-feely liberal democracies for them, thank you very much. The happiest dogs are those with strict masters. It's the same with horses, as aquascoot will tell you.  And the term 'refugees' has lost all real meaning since they began arriving in the West in great number. These are obviously not 'refugees' otherwise they would be returning (and be returned by Western governments) to their homelands when it was safe to do so. The fraud occurs when these people are initially deemed to be genuine refugees, but then Western governments tear up these verifying documents and re-label them as 'immigrants' not to be shipped back to Middle Eastern countries when it's safe to do so. Australian troops have been in Afghanistan for 13 years now, and if after all this time and lives lost it's still not safe for our Afghan refugees to return to their country ... then every last man wearing an Australian uniform over there should be repatriated back to Australia at the earliest opportunity. 13 years of military engagement and it's still not safe for Afghan 'refugees' to be returned to their homeland? What utter BS. Australian soldiers have been stomping around Afghanistan now for longer than WWI and WWII combined. It has become a farce and a sick joke. France was attached, Herbie. It’s a few thousand ks away. Three days ago, Lebanon.was attached. Prior to that, it was Turkey. No one pretended we needed to become terrorists then. Australia is in no more danger than it was. The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering. The sensible thing is to send ISIS to hell. Quickly and either extreme prejudice. There is no reasoning; there is no peace. There is only death - theirs or ours. I choose theirs.

yes, they are weeds.
and every farmer knows the sensible strategy for dealing with weeds is to have been attacking them last year.
but weeds are no match for action and discipline.
Evil is no match for good.....

AS LONG AS GOOD IS ACTIVE  ;)

You might call your planet “Reality” but everyone else thinks you live on Planet Fantasy.

If you were part of the real world you would have read that the first attacks by Russian jets were not against ISIS but against another rebel group.

Putin will flatten anyone opposing Assad.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:34am: It's sickening how these hard right islamophobes are salivating over a major terror attack in Australia. Grow up. Since when does stating Islamic terrorists committed this atrocity - which they've claimed responsibility for - make one an Islamophobe? Your family has got to stop sleeping amongst each other!!!

That's not the issue. The issue is Isamophobes are wanting a major terror attack against Australians in Australia so they can make political inroads. They continue to try and ramp up pressure to boiling point.
This attitude is disgusting.

And it's not my family who want's to sleep with me. It's your father. He's sick of conservatives with tiny penises.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

You might call your planet “Reality” but everyone else thinks you like on Planet Fantasy. If you were part of the real world you would have read that the first attacks by Russian jets were not against ISIS but against another rebel group. Putin will flatten anyone opposing Assad.

another rebel group = another species of weed.
How far can we push these species of weeds back?
Beyond the horizon if we want to.
Weeds are no match for vigilance.
But if we dont push them back they will end up growing up between our toes.
Strong borders, (like i said with the ingredients for a great cake.....it starts with  "keeping the bad stuff out").


you dont like pauline hansen , neither do i .
but if pauline puts a teaspoon of sugar in your coffee..thats ok. you'll be alright.

i like the generosity of someone like Mrs Merkel . But if a friend puts strychnine in your coffee...your dead.

you see monk, it doesnt matter who gives you the bad stuff . If a friend , if a nice guy gives you the bad stuff.....ITS STILL BAD  ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:08am:

Aren’t all the RWNJs here crying for papa abbott to look after them?

Anyone watching yesterday's interview with Andrew 'No fear - No favour' Bolt would realise that Abbott has long since been a spent cartridge.

His morbid fear of offending our Muslim Community rendered him impotent and utterly irrelevant to the issue of the threat that Australia faces - not just from terrorism - but from gradual, creeping Islamisation.

Bolt had Abbott squirming in his seat for almost the entire 20 minute interview. Abbott was 'owned', chewed, and spat out by Bolt. Gave Abbott an awful drubbing for having chickened out on anything to do with Islam and Muslims.

You have to watch the interview to understand just how pathetic Abbott was made to look by Bolt. The interview should be preserved for forensic political historians of the future.

And all the more sad is that Abbott, post-PM - made a sterling speech to the British leadership about how Muslims are now threatening to destroy Western civilisation in Europe.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

yes, they are weeds. and every farmer knows the sensible strategy for dealing with weeds is to have been attacking them last year. but weeds are no match for action and discipline. Evil is no match for good..... AS LONG AS GOOD IS ACTIVE  ;)

Yes ... as long as Good Hate is active.  :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:36am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 8:08am: Aren’t all the RWNJs here crying for papa abbott to look after them? Anyone watching yesterday's interview with Andrew 'No fear - No favour' Bolt would realise that Abbott has long since been a spent cartridge. His morbid fear of offending our Muslim Community rendered him impotent and utterly irrelevant to the issue of the threat that Australia faces - not just from terrorism - but from gradual, creeping Islamisation. Bolt had Abbott squirming in his seat for almost the entire 20 minute interview. Abbott was 'owned', chewed, and spat out by Bolt. Gave Abbott an awful drubbing for having chickened out on anything to do with Islam and Muslims. You have to watch the interview to understand just how pathetic Abbott was made to look by Bolt. The interview should be preserved for forensic political historians of the future. And all the more sad is that Abbott, post-PM - made a sterling speech to the British leadership about how Muslims are now threatening to destroy Western civilisation in Europe.

I have to agree with you herb.
i think a lot of our modern politicians will be looked back on the way neville chamberlain was when he clutched his piece of paper from adolf gauranteeing "peace in our time"

dont politicians study history?

They really need to get on the right side of this.

Imagine Winston Churchill calling for candle lighting vigils, and 3 days of mourning and a minutes silence during the blitz ;) ;) ;).

its awful for the people of the west to be ruled by such pussies .
Whats David Cameron up to herb. ;) ;) ;)

Is he mobilising  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

Putin will flatten anyone opposing Assad.

Thank god at least someone has learnt the lesson that Police State dictatorships bring stability and peace to Middle Eastern countries.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 8:21am: Putin will flatten anyone opposing Assad. Thank god at least someone has learnt the lesson that Police State dictatorships bring stability and peace to Middle Eastern countries.

What??? Putin wants a southern pipeline, Assad will assist, other groups won’t. Pure, naked, self interest at play here, nothing else.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:44am:

Whats David Cameron up to herb. ;) ;) ;) Is he mobilising  ;) ;) ;) ;)

Like Malcolm Turnbull, Angela Merkel, Obama, and a whole host of others .. David Campbell is a Political Homosexual given to pillow-biting appeasement and capitulation whenever the issue of Muslims comes up.

So far, his performance credentials are strictly Delta Male for being a ... waaaait for it ..... political pillow-biter.

These are girly-men who probably have secret sex lives that their wives don't know about. Stallions who get mounted by other stallions down at the Gay Stallion bath-houses.

Turnbull is over there congratulating Angela Merkel for bringing in one million Muslims into Germany just in this current 12 month period ... and then at the same time he publicly rubbished Abbott's recent speech to the Brits that the Muslim influx was putting Europe at risk of gradually losing its Western cultural identity.

Turnbull is the stereotype of the 'Leftwing progressive'.

That conceited smirk on Turnbull's face is him laughing at how as a Leftwinger he managed to take over the leadership of the Liberal Party.

(And let's be clear about one thing - The Liberal Party is far from being a Conservative Party. For all intents and purposes it is no further to the Right than being the rightwing of the Labor Party in all matters social. Where it differs is in its economic management of the country).

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

What??? Putin wants a southern pipeline, Assad will assist, other groups won’t. Pure, naked, self interest at play here, nothing else.

Two birds with one stone is smart-thinking, something our own politicians could do well to emulate.

Except that the Kurds fighting Assad will be creamed too. These Kurds have battalions of women fighters—they are not of a stone age society.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Except that the Kurds fighting Assad will be creamed too. These Kurds have battalions of women fighters—they are not of a stone age society.

The Kurds have somewhere to retreat to. They are ... insurgents. Time to go home and let the Big Boys with their Big Toys take over the fight.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 8:21am: You might call your planet “Reality” but everyone else thinks you like on Planet Fantasy. If you were part of the real world you would have read that the first attacks by Russian jets were not against ISIS but against another rebel group. Putin will flatten anyone opposing Assad. another rebel group = another species of weed. How far can we push these species of weeds back? Beyond the horizon if we want to. Weeds are no match for vigilance. But if we dont push them back they will end up growing up between our toes. Strong borders, (like i said with the ingredients for a great cake.....it starts with  "keeping the bad stuff out"). you dont like pauline hansen , neither do i . but if pauline puts a teaspoon of sugar in your coffee..thats ok. you'll be alright. i like the generosity of someone like Mrs Merkel . But if a friend puts strychnine in your coffee...your dead. you see monk, it doesnt matter who gives you the bad stuff . If a friend , if a nice guy gives you the bad stuff.....ITS STILL BAD  ;)

Do you actually KNOW the various groups? Some are damn fine people and good soldiers, just lacking heavy weapons.

Just once, read up on something before talking 100% bullsh1t about it!

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 6:18am:

Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later.

They will attack Australia and probably succeed at some point, because that's how terrorist tactics work. The onyl way to be not weak enough for terrorists to exploit is to give up all freedom.

The tactical advantage these wacko Muslims have that we don't have is their willingness to die for the Cause.

That is their greatest advantage over us.

How do you defeat an enemy who is happy to target innocent victims with an AK-49 assault rifle while wearing a suicide belt around his waist?

Answer : You intern your Muslim community while stopping all further Muslim immigration.

You deport any Muslim with a criminal record.

You deport any Muslim who has been languishing on the dole for more than a year.

You begin a program of enforced repatriation of Muslims back to their original homelands - no exceptions.

The parents of these Paris terrorists have expressed amazement and regret that their sons grew up to do these killings. But why surprised, when they themselves carried the 'Islam' virus that they passed on to their children when they were born?

Islam is a sexually transmitted disease that soon appears in the babies they take home with them from the maternity wards. The kids are kowtowing towards Mecca on the lounge-room carpet with the rest of the family even before they can say "baba" - let alone utter the words "ALLAHU AKBAR! BEHEAD ALL WHO INSULT THE PROPHET!" 

8-)

(That comes later when they are about three years old ... )

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:12am:

Except that the Kurds fighting Assad will be creamed too. These Kurds have battalions of women fighters—they are not of a stone age society.

yes, i like the ferocity of those female kurdish fighters.
they should all be offered assylum . and we can employ them to root out any ISIS supporters in western sydney

win/win

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

Fuzzball wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 6:18am: Turncoat is another Rudd, he has not make a decent decision since he stabbed Abbott in the back, he is a very weak leader and god help us not that the real decisions need to be make in regard to terrorist. He is afraid to upset the UN and wants to be everyone friend  and have high ratings in the polls. That will not help him when we are attacked and we will be, they know he is piss weak and will hit Australia sooner rather that later. They will attack Australia and probably succeed at some point, because that's how terrorist tactics work. The onyl way to be not weak enough for terrorists to exploit is to give up all freedom.

i call this the "timid' approach to life.
pansi is very keen on it

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

The tactical advantage these wacko Muslims have that we don't have is their willingness to die for the Cause.

Don't forget that they don't care about civilian casualties. We do everything we can to avoid them, whereas ISIS does everything that can to target them.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:43am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up What are ASSASSINATORS??? The word is ASSASSINS, you twit Made your correction correct for you, his creative word making was in plural and omitted the uncalled for insult. I didn't have a problem with his creativity I understood what he was saying.

Stop being an apologist for bad writing, worse spelling and general ignorance. You tend to write well. Don't encourage this kind of excuse for literacy.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:54am: The tactical advantage these wacko Muslims have that we don't have is their willingness to die for the Cause. Don't forget that they don't care about civilian casualties. We do everything we can to avoid them, whereas ISIS does everything that can to target them.

So the story goes.

"ONE of the hostages killed during the Sydney siege died after being hit by fragments of police bullets fired after officers stormed the Lindt Cafe targeting the gunman, Man Haron Monis, an inquest has heard."

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:44am: The sensible path is to calm things down, not get caught up in hysterical fear mongering. Treat us like children - or uneducated, uninformed Third World snot-nosed peasants, you mean?

Herbie, if anyone is educated and uninformed, it's you. It's not your fault, but you do choose to read Pickering and the UK Daily Mail.

Australia is not currently under attack. We are not at war, or under siege. You are continually looking for excuses to send Australia into some ridiculous foreign war. You got your wish with Afghanistan, Iraq, and now we're bombing ISIS. It seems to me that you won't settle for anything less than WWIII.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:43am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up What are ASSASSINATORS??? The word is ASSASSINS, you twit Made your correction correct for you, his creative word making was in plural and omitted the uncalled for insult. I didn't have a problem with his creativity I understood what he was saying. Stop being an apologist for bad writing, worse spelling and general ignorance. You tend to write well. Don't encourage this kind of excuse for literacy.

It's a private site. You don't own it. You don't control it.
Take your fascism and stick it.

I will express my views how I choose.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

"ONE of the hostages killed during the Sydney siege died after being hit by fragments of police bullets fired after officers stormed the Lindt Cafe targeting the gunman, Man Haron Monis, an inquest has heard."

That's true.

It was unintentional.

And your point is?

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

Australia is not currently under attack.

We have 20 would-be killer terrorists in our jails, and our security agencies are keeping a very close eye on more than 400 Muslim Australians, and we have currently over 100 Muslims still fighting for ISIS, and 50 or so of our Muslims are back in Australia ... and ASIO's chief is telling the government that these returnees pose a grave risk to public safety.

We are very much under attack.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

We are very much under attack.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:52am: Australia is not currently under attack. We have 20 would-be killer terrorists in our jails, and our security agencies are keeping a very close eye on more than 400 Muslim Australians, and we have currently over 100 Muslims still fighting for ISIS, and 50 or so of our Muslims are back in Australia ... and ASIO's chief is telling the government that these returnees pose a grave risk to public safety. We are very much under attack.

I hate to break it to you, Herbie. That's not an attack.

The rest of us are happy with this. You seem a tad miffed.

Is there any reason why you want everyone to be at risk? What's in this for you? 

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 7:43am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 7:07am: Rather than blame Turnbull, blame the assassinators of Abbott. i.e Both Bishops, and Scott Morrison. Abbott was robbed of his moment. Abbott should be banging on about troops into Syria and stopping the boats. Conservative voters were robbed. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447464435 Conservative Assassinators F'ed Up What are ASSASSINATORS??? The word is ASSASSINS, you twit Made your correction correct for you, his creative word making was in plural and omitted the uncalled for insult. I didn't have a problem with his creativity I understood what he was saying. Stop being an apologist for bad writing, worse spelling and general ignorance. You tend to write well. Don't encourage this kind of excuse for literacy.

Assassinators

I think it would be a good movie or game title. Great new word.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

I hate to break it to you, Herbie. That's not an attack. The rest of us are happy with this. You seem a tad miffed. Is there any reason why you want everyone to be at risk? What's in this for you?

When your own country is being occupied by 'hostiles' who the Secret Service has to keep under close observation because the politicians are too feeble to set up Internment Camps - then, yes, we are under attack.

When the news arrives that our various secret agencies are no longer spending millions in taxpayers' money each year to contain the Muslim Threat in this country - then this will signal that we are no longer under attack.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:28am: I hate to break it to you, Herbie. That's not an attack. The rest of us are happy with this. You seem a tad miffed. Is there any reason why you want everyone to be at risk? What's in this for you?  When your own country is being occupied by 'hostiles' who the Secret Service has to keep under close observation because the politicians are too feeble to set up Internment Camps - then, yes, we are under attack. When the news arrives that our various secret agencies are no longer spending millions in taxpayers' money each year to contain the Muslim Threat in this country - then this will signal that we are no longer under attack.

You didn't answer the question, Herb. What's in this for you?

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 12:04pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:28am: I hate to break it to you, Herbie. That's not an attack. The rest of us are happy with this. You seem a tad miffed. Is there any reason why you want everyone to be at risk? What's in this for you?  When your own country is being occupied by 'hostiles' who the Secret Service has to keep under close observation because the politicians are too feeble to set up Internment Camps - then, yes, we are under attack. When the news arrives that our various secret agencies are no longer spending millions in taxpayers' money each year to contain the Muslim Threat in this country - then this will signal that we are no longer under attack. You didn't answer the question, Herb. What's in this for you?

Pre selection to a safe One Nation seat ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:08am: We are very much under attack. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/60/f0/2b/60f02bcf8c88e572ca9fd0c0c200873d.jpg

With any luck the next terrorist attack will be at your house.

I wonder if anyone will care?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:54am: The tactical advantage these wacko Muslims have that we don't have is their willingness to die for the Cause. Don't forget that they don't care about civilian casualties. We do everything we can to avoid them, whereas ISIS does everything that can to target them.

Do we?

HM civilians have our bombs killed in Syria?

In the Lindt cafe siege the cops must have shot 200 times and killed one of the hostages.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:12am: Except that the Kurds fighting Assad will be creamed too. These Kurds have battalions of women fighters—they are not of a stone age society. yes, i like the ferocity of those female kurdish fighters. they should all be offered assylum . and we can employ them to root out any ISIS supporters in western sydney win/win

You were calling them weeds before. Why not go over there and tell one of the Kurdish freedom fighters they are weeds?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:12am: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:08am: We are very much under attack. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/60/f0/2b/60f02bcf8c88e572ca9fd0c0c200873d.jpg With any luck the next terrorist attack will be at your house. I wonder if anyone will care?

As strange as it may seem, what this country needs is a terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up.

That's right, dear. With any luck, this will be at someone's house.

We'll all care. Herbie will be frothing at the mouth to get us all do something about it.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 5:06am:

This is why Turnbull is not the man for the job of protecting us against ISIS... Quote: Earlier, speaking in Germany before the terror attacks, Mr Turnbull yesterday distanced himself from Mr Abbott’s push suggesting a “political” solution to the crisis. “One thing that is perfectly clear in Syria, that the solution will ultimately be a political one,” Mr Turnbull said. “As you know Australia has made a very significant military commitment to the struggle against Daesh or the so-called Islamic State and we are working there with the Iraq government and of course with our allies the United States, the UK and others, but ultimately there needs to be a political solution to this absolutely catastrophic situation in Syria.” http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-pm-tony-abbott-warns-is-terrorists-are-hiding-in-flood-of-refugees/story-fni0cx12-1227609378270 A political solution in Syria? Turnbull is living in fantasyland if he believes that. ISIS don't care about politics - they only care about spreading their caliphate by any means necessary and only a military solution will stop them. Even that dictator Assad can't control them and he can be quite brutal when he wants to be. THAT is abundantly clear. Don't negotiate with terrorists. The only way to defeat ISIS is going to be with boots on the ground with soldiers killing terrorists. We might also need to reconsider taking any Muslims from Syria, as there is a good chance that at least some of them may be terrorists hiding among real refugees.

How many boots do you want to commit, armpit?

And of course your selective quoting proves why you are the dumbest poster here.  Government position has never been to include Isis in the political solution.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

We'll all care. Herbie will be frothing at the mouth to get us all to do something about it.

I'm a pacifist. I don't know why my name keeps coming up during these
conversations.

And I only froth at the mouth when I'm brushing my teeth or counting my pennies at the end of each Aged Pension fortnight.

The only time I'll get excited is when the terrorists start targetting our politicians. Nothing else will get the West's politicians to commit to a genuine, sincere, and no-holds-barred Final Solution to this ongoing Muslim Problem.

For as long as the West's politicians are still sponsoring Muslim immigration streams and refugees influxes year after year for decades - their mindset is not anywhere near what it ought to be to tackle this problem of cultural foreigners threatening us in our own generational Western homelands.

Boots-on-the-ground ... massive arrests ... Internment camps ... deportation.

Repeatedly ...

... until those left in our Muslim suburbs are only those who are Westernised, and without hijabs and big black beards, and who go to our interdenominational public schools.

More women die each year from domestic violence than have died from terrorism over the last 100 years.

What are you proposing to do about that Herb, or is xenophobia your only driver?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

More women die each year from domestic violence than have died from terrorism over the last 100 years. What are you proposing to do about that Herb, or is xenophobia your only driver?

That's a false analogy - (as you well know).

I'm waiting for Germany to blow up.

One way or the other, it's approaching its tipping-point. The lit fuse is now travelling rapidly along the cord towards the detonation caps.

There's going to be hell to pay if Germany's politicians don't stop ingratiating with the ideological Left, and with the European Parliament, and with the UN, and with the country's Muslim communities.

It would only take a charismatic leader of Hitler's stature who has a gift for oratory and a distaste for seeing his country becoming overrun by intransigent and unassimilable Muslims - for a new party to be swept into power by popular vote.

We wait, and we watch.

France is a pussy cat. They have never had any heart for war. Remember 'Carve her name with Pride'? The English spy who they dropped into France. The first thing she was told at training camp was don't trust the ordinary French people you will be living with as a fellow-Frenchwoman. They'll serve you up to the local Gestapo on a silver platter for the smallest of rewards. I'm reading the book at the moment.

On the other hand - Germany is a very different kettle of fish. If there's a terrorist attack there, then certain gears will be set in motion that might eventually see whole trainloads of Muslims being sent out of the country towards foreign destinations - out of sight and out of mind.   

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 1:27pm: More women die each year from domestic violence than have died from terrorism over the last 100 years. What are you proposing to do about that Herb, or is xenophobia your only driver? That's a false analogy - (as you well know). I'm waiting for Germany to blow up. One way or the other, it's approaching its tipping-point. The lit fuse is now travelling rapidly along the cord towards the detonation caps. There's going to be hell to pay if Germany's politicians don't stop ingratiating with the ideological Left, and with the European Parliament, and with the UN, and with the country's Muslim communities. It would only take a charismatic leader of Hitler's stature who has a gift for oratory and a distaste for seeing his country becoming overrun by intransigent and unassimilable Muslims - for a new party to be swept into power by popular vote. We wait, and we watch. France is a pussy cat. They have never had any heart for war. Remember 'Carve her name with Pride'? The English spy who they dropped into France. The first thing she was told at training camp was don't trust the ordinary French people you will be living with as a fellow-Frenchwoman. They'll serve you up to the local Gestapo on a silver platter for the smallest of rewards. I'm reading the book at the moment. On the other hand - Germany is a very different kettle of fish. If there's a terrorist attack there, then certain gears will be set into motion that might eventually see whole trainloads of Muslims being sent out of the country towards some foreign destination out of sight and out of mind.

They've never had any heart for war?

There is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the air.

Those who come here on humanitarian visas are running their own business in a very short time. Once they have their own business I doubt they will want to go out in a suicide vest.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

They've never had any heart for war?

It was France's reluctance to engage in battle that began the whole Second World War.

Hitler had his troops march into the Rhineland as a direct challenge to the Treaty of Versailles - and the French sat on their hands and did nothing.

And that's what gave Hitler the prestige and the courage to continue his invasions elsewhere.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:16pm: They've never had any heart for war? It was France's reluctance to engage in battle that began the whole Second World War. Hitler had his troops march into the Rhineland as a direct challenge to the Treaty of Versailles - and the French sat on their hands and did nothing. And that's what gave Hitler the prestige and the courage to continue his invasions elsewhere.

Lol, cause the British were all clamouring for war at the time. Oh wait, remember Chamberlain and the Munich Agreement?

Christ even the Russians were as soft on the Germans.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

There is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the air. Those who come here on humanitarian visas are running their own business in a very short time. Once they have their own business I doubt they will want to go out in a suicide vest.

You obviously haven't been reading my posts.

They are Carriers of the Islam Virus.

Their son, or their grandson - or great grandson will all inherit the Islam Virus as a consequence of sexual intercourse. It's a sexually transmitted disease.

Even they agree with this.

They're forever boasting that through sheer numbers the Muslim birthrate guarantees that Islam will eventually triumph in the West. It's inevitable.

And they're right, of course. Western leaders have for years been busy helping them to realise this ambition to Populate while we Perish - with migration streams and refugees influx.

Western politicians have been in collusion with one another for years to engineer the Decline of Western Civilisation for a New World Order in which Islam plays a very great part, if not actually a leading role.
 

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:19pm: There is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the air. Those who come here on humanitarian visas are running their own business in a very short time. Once they have their own business I doubt they will want to go out in a suicide vest. You obviously haven't been reading my posts. They are Carriers of the Islam Virus. Their son, or their grandson - or great grandson will all inherit the Islam Virus as a consequence of sexual intercourse. It's a sexually transmitted disease. Even they agree with this. They're forever boasting that through sheer numbers the Muslim birthrate guarantees that Islam will eventually triumph in the West. It's inevitable. And they're right, of course. Western leaders have for years been busy helping them to realise this ambition to Populate while we Perish - with migration streams and refugees influx. Western politicians have been in collusion with one another for years to engineer the Decline of Western Civilisation for a New World Order in which Islam plays a very great part, if not actually a leading role.

I hate to imagine what your children have acquired.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

Lol, cause the British were all clamouring for war at the time. Oh wait, remember Chamberlain and the Munich Agreement? Christ even the Russians were as soft on the Germans.

Not true.

The only one who was soft on the Germans was Stalin himself. His generals and closest advisers were practically screaming at him that all their intelligence suggested that Hitler was going to double cross their Peace Pact agreement and invade the Russian Motherland.

Stalin refused to believe it. He trusted Hitler's Word as his bond.

And then the bullets started flying ...

leftards just dont understand the world.
it makes one roll ones eyes.

i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin.

Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused.

Vlad joining this war was the defining moment.

ISIS are fecked now.

being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs.
But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo.

I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is.

There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama.

The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east.....

Blahahahaha

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:38pm: Lol, cause the British were all clamouring for war at the time. Oh wait, remember Chamberlain and the Munich Agreement? Christ even the Russians were as soft on the Germans. Not true. The only one who was soft on the Germans was Stalin himself. His generals and closest advisers were practically screaming at him that all their intelligence suggested that Hitler was going to double cross their Peace Pact agreement and invade the Russian Motherland. Stalin refused to believe it. He trusted Hitler's Word as his bond. And then the bullets started flying ...

And the British assertion?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

leftards just dont understand the world. it makes one roll ones eyes. i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin. Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused. Vlad joining this war was the defining moment. ISIS are fecked now. being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs. But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo. I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is. There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama. The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east..... Blahahahaha

Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: leftards just dont understand the world. it makes one roll ones eyes. i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin. Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused. Vlad joining this war was the defining moment. ISIS are fecked now. being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs. But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo. I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is. There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama. The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east..... Blahahahaha Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life.

i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more.

vlad was in the special forces.

i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot.

you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Blahahahaha

Vlad-the-Impaler Putin mounting Obama as an Alpha male with his black punk bitch would go viral on social media.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: Blahahahaha Vlad-the-Impaler Putin mounting Obama as an Alpha male with his black punk bitch would go viral on social media.

its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide.
Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse

the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC.
the southern russian muslims are not flavour of the month in moscow.
If you go into a lift there , you will see a poster saying women should not travel in lifts with muslim men .

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC.

No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC.

For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge.

Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:01pm: the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC. No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC. For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge. Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes.

he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide. Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse

What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions. 

Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities. 

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:01pm: the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC. No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC. For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge. Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes. he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort

You don’t sell propaganda, Aquascoot. You give it away.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm: its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide. Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.  Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords. . .

A tiny bit of sense in that last para.

We failed badly in Afghanistan too.

As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!

Maybe we should drop stupid stereotypes like that and THINK before doing something stupid again.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm: its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide. Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.  Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities.

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

Your frame of reference is WWII. Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. This was a completely different form of industrial warfare. The force with the biggest army, the biggest labour force and the access to the most resources prevailed.

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

If there is one lesson from our experience in recent wars, this is it.

We lost.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!

Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm: its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide. Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.  Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities.  The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces. Your frame of reference is WWII. Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. This was a completely different form of industrial warfare. The force with the biggest army, the biggest labour force and the access to the most resources prevailed. John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it. If there is one lesson from our experience in recent wars, this is it. We lost.

part of my definition of success.

"the ability to go from one failure to the next and maintain your enthusiasm " ;)

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:01pm: the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC. No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC. For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge. Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes. he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort You don’t sell propaganda, Aquascoot. You give it away.

when people try to give horses away , no one will take them.
put $1000 on them and suddenly people want them.
strange hey  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:17pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:40pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 4:01pm: the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC. No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC. For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge. Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes. he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort You don’t sell propaganda, Aquascoot. You give it away. when people try to give horses away , no one will take them. put $1000 on them and suddenly people want them. strange hey  ;)

It certainly is, Aquascoot. Mao’s little red book and ads for war bonds fetch a pretty price these days.

The royals had the right idea - they sold all their silly royal wedding plates and tea towels.

These days, they’re worthless, but Lizzie’s the richest broad on the planet.

After Gina, of course.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops.

And they obliged in spades.

These journalists have yet to be brought to justice.


Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan.

Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans.

It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin.


Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

;D ;D ;D

The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens.

Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing.

I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets?


I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details).

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:02pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm: its quite amazing herb.  even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide. Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.  Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities.  The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces. Your frame of reference is WWII. Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. This was a completely different form of industrial warfare. The force with the biggest army, the biggest labour force and the access to the most resources prevailed. John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it. If there is one lesson from our experience in recent wars, this is it. We lost. part of my definition of success. "the ability to go from one failure to the next and maintain your enthusiasm " ;)

In Alcoholics Anonymous, the willingness to repeat the same mistakes over and over again is known as insanity.

Bottoms up, dear.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

when people try to give horses away , no one will take them. put $1000 on them and suddenly people want them. strange hey  ;)

It's called The Power of Suggestion.  :)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: leftards just dont understand the world. it makes one roll ones eyes. i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin. Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused. Vlad joining this war was the defining moment. ISIS are fecked now. being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs. But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo. I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is. There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama. The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east..... Blahahahaha Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life. i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more. vlad was in the special forces. i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot. you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls  ;)

http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php
You mean like this guy aquascoot?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:08pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: leftards just dont understand the world. it makes one roll ones eyes. i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin. Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused. Vlad joining this war was the defining moment. ISIS are fecked now. being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs. But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo. I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is. There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama. The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east..... Blahahahaha Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life. i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more. vlad was in the special forces. i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot. you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls  ;) http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php You mean like this guy aquascoot?

great link .
i'm going to read his Ph D on the impact of rider technique on horse welfare...cheers

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces. They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops. And they obliged in spades. These journalists have yet to be brought to justice. Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans. It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin. Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it. ;D ;D ;D The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens. Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing. I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets? I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details).

Yes, Herbie, they said all this in WWI. We just need more resolve, more courage. Stiff upper lip, what.

And yet, no matter how many men you sent into the machine guns, the lines never changed.

We’ve now been fighting the war on terror in one form or another for three times the duration of the war to end all wars. And yet, we’ve achieved nothing.

This isn’t the failure of the rules, it’s the failure of war itself. We dropped more TNT on Indochina than was used by both sides in WWII. If you think this is restraint or some form of PC enemy-appeasing, you must be shell shocked.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:11pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:08pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm: aquascoot wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm: leftards just dont understand the world. it makes one roll ones eyes. i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin. Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused. Vlad joining this war was the defining moment. ISIS are fecked now. being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs. But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo. I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is. There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama. The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east..... Blahahahaha Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life. i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more. vlad was in the special forces. i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot. you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls  ;) http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php You mean like this guy aquascoot? great link . i'm going to read his Ph D on the impact of rider technique on horse welfare...cheers

Lol damn his 20 years of study

Plus thats not his PhD, thats his proposed project for a VetSci graduate to do a PhD on.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

Plus thats not his PhD, thats his proposed project for a VetSci graduate to do a PhD on.

i see that, i found some videos of his on youtube.  very good

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm: As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please! Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

.. as long as they set up the recruiting and training facilities in a  clearly defined area..... I'm OK with this...... perhaps the UN could mandate a specific IS area.. let them flock there......

Bomb Em All - Let Allah Sort Em Out!

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm: As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please! Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands.

Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:33pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm: As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please! Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents. Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands. Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?

hey the yanks did that in Afghanistan when Russia invaded.... and look at the abuse the lefties have dumped on them ever since...

now you are suggesting they arm another group of Muslims...your nuts you know that?..

Kurds are the good guys.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:59pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.  This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces. They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops. And they obliged in spades. These journalists have yet to be brought to justice. Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans. It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin. Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:29pm: John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it. ;D ;D ;D The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens. Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing. I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets? I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details). Yes, Herbie, they said all this in WWI. We just need more resolve, more courage. Stiff upper lip, what. And yet, no matter how many men you sent into the machine guns, the lines never changed. We’ve now been fighting the war on terror in one form or another for three times the duration of the war to end all wars. And yet, we’ve achieved nothing. This isn’t the failure of the rules, it’s the failure of war itself. We dropped more TNT on Indochina than was used by both sides in WWII. If you think this is restraint or some form of PC enemy-appeasing, you must be shell shocked.

I don't think that's accurate.

Because ISIS have next to no air power this is why the coalition of the willing is using it: the potential recruits of ISIS cannot but see the difference, when push comes to shove, of who has the firepower.

A system always wins... you are saying we have no system perhaps?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:33pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:26pm: As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please! Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents. Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands. Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?

The two a-bombs sued for peace!

Did I just say that ??

Well, there we are.

Turnbull's Great Speech to the Nation about fighting terrorism.

Cutting through the grandstanding and the oratory, the 'message' told us nothing more than that he believes Abbott was playing 'Macho Man' with the issue when he was PM, and that Turnbull disapproves of this hard stance against the threat that faces every one of us upon the streets of Australia.

This is the Turnbull who has just appointed a woman to be the Defence Minister - and who removed hard man Peter Dutton from a permanent position on the Security Council - and who took Scott Morrison away from Immigration and Refugees, and then sorting out the dole bludgers.

Turnbull has been sliding towards the Left ever since he rolled Abbott into the gutter of history. Any further Left and he may as well sit on the Opposition benches.