https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeL3xHLYQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtsNqG7xb0

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Screaming: The tiny infant was picked up by her father, in the footage filmed in the Israeli city of Abu Gosh, west of Jerusalem, before being forced into a bucket.

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Punishment: The tiny child is squashed by her father into the plastic bucket as a young boy watches on.

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Vulnerable: The unidentified father claims that he only put his young daughter in the bucket to teach her a lesson.

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Parenting skills: The wailing infant fights back but is no match for her father, who pushes her head down into the bucket.

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No oxygen: The little child’s head disappears from view as the father seals the air-tight lid on the plastic bucket.

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Questionable: He told his daughter he was going to take her to the butcher ‘because he gave up on her’. But the father defended his parenting ability, claiming it was ‘educational’.

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Police probe: The unknown man has been arrested and is being investigated by police in the Israeli city.



Muslim father seals crying daughter in air-tight bucket to ‘take her to the butchers’ to teach her a lesson.

Hair-raising video footage was released by Israeli media on Monday morning, showing an Arab citizen of Israel in the city of Abu Gosh to the west of Jerusalem cruelly sealing his crying infant daughter in a plastic bucket.

The potentially suffocating act of severe abuse was recorded on video and revealed by Walla on Sunday, and can be viewed by clicking the image below.

The abusive father, who hails from a well known family in Abu Gosh, claimed that his potentially lethal action was meant to be “educational.”

In the video, he can be heard telling his daughter that he’s “taking her to the butcher shop because he gave up on her,” before locking her in the bucket and carrying it around the city.

After the video reached the hands of the police, it was decided to summon the abusive father to an investigation, at the end of which he was arrested for abusing a minor.

He was brought in for a hearing on an extension of his detention on Monday, at the end of which an extension of two days was decided.

“This is one of the most shocking pieces of footage we’ve received,” said the police. “The man simply lost it.”

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No surprises another muslim loses it but it wasn't islams fault.

Muslim sick love at its best , and these people breed and breath our air.

The muslim filming the man should have been arrested as a Psycopath as well.

Typical Psychopaths.

That must have been a terrible experience for that child. If there is justice around the adult perpetrator, he should disappear.

Child-abuse apologists.

Nice.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

That must have been a terrible experience for that child. If there is justice around the adult perpetrator, he should disappear.

Not bad 1 person of 79 views to date is disgusted enough to make a comment.

I agree, this sick human should be locked up or put down even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire. Inhumane sick people.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

I agree, this sick human should be locked up or put down even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire. Inhumane sick people.

Exactly. That child is a terrorist trainee.

Burn them.

In your stupidity you're probably right.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 9:28am: That must have been a terrible experience for that child. If there is justice around the adult perpetrator, he should disappear. Not bad 1 person of 79 views to date is disgusted enough to make a comment. I agree, this sick human should be locked up or put down even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire. Inhumane sick people.

The man in question is not fit to be a parent - that's for sure. And, his children need to be protected from him.

However, sealing him in a drum, dragging him around and then throwing him on a fire would be an inhumane, sick act in itself.

Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes.

Your post has revealed you to be no better than the thug in the OP.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 12:07pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 9:28am: That must have been a terrible experience for that child. If there is justice around the adult perpetrator, he should disappear. Not bad 1 person of 79 views to date is disgusted enough to make a comment. I agree, this sick human should be locked up or put down even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire. Inhumane sick people. The man in question is not fit to be a parent - that's for sure. And, his children need to be protected from him. However, sealing him in a drum, dragging him around and then throwing him on a fire would be an inhumane, sick act in itself. Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes. Your post has revealed you to be no better than the thug in the OP.

Nah it reveals I am more than will to clean the world up of this trash. You are an apologist for it. Even worse than the islamic trash itself.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:03pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 12:07pm: issuevoter wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 9:28am: That must have been a terrible experience for that child. If there is justice around the adult perpetrator, he should disappear. Not bad 1 person of 79 views to date is disgusted enough to make a comment. I agree, this sick human should be locked up or put down even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire. Inhumane sick people. The man in question is not fit to be a parent - that's for sure. And, his children need to be protected from him. However, sealing him in a drum, dragging him around and then throwing him on a fire would be an inhumane, sick act in itself. Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes. Your post has revealed you to be no better than the thug in the OP. Nah

Yes.

We all now see what you're really like:  a potentially violent sociopath.

These are not the words of a healthy person: "even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire".

Someone has to take out the trash.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Someone has to take out the trash.

Indeed.

Remove him from the family, and place him in prison.

There's no need to resort to inhumane acts, such as burning people alive.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:13pm: Someone has to take out the trash. Indeed. Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. There's no need to resort to inhumane acts, such as burning people alive.

That's ok its part of his religion. They think its great fun.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:13pm: Someone has to take out the trash. Indeed. Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. There's no need to resort to inhumane acts, such as burning people alive. That's ok its part of his religion. They think its great fun.

You've converted, have you?


Quote:

Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:13pm: Someone has to take out the trash. Indeed. Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. There's no need to resort to inhumane acts, such as burning people alive. That's ok its part of his religion. They think its great fun. You've converted, have you? Quote: Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes.

No, just coincidence how we take out the trash. The same way apologists like you should be taken out.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:20pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:13pm: Someone has to take out the trash. Indeed. Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. There's no need to resort to inhumane acts, such as burning people alive. That's ok its part of his religion. They think its great fun. You've converted, have you? Quote: Strange how some people drag themselves down to the same level as these low-lifes. No, just coincidence how we take out the trash. The same way apologists like you should be taken out.

You've mistaken me for someone else - I'm making no apologies whatsoever.

I have stated that he should be removed from the family, and placed in prison.

I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent.

Moreover, I've offered no excuses for his behaviour (such as religion).

No, it's quite clear who the apologist is here, and it's quite clear who has violent, sociopathic tendencies.

"even better. Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire"    He Man, November 2015.

Here have some jelly beans. ::)

Its nice to see all the muslims upset with this man.
I wonder why not ? ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Remove him from the family, and place him in prison.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent.

Jeez, talk about an overreaction.

father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ.

Stupid? Yes
gaolable offense? You can't be serious.

And thar he blows folks muslim love at its best....

Must have missed the part where he took her out a few seconds later. Only a muslim apologist could come up with that tripe.

As expected we never really expected anymore.
Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist.

I guess lallah encourages them in the fictional magazine the quran.

Lovely people aren't they, we should import more.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist

Parents perform culturally sanctioned abuse of their children all the time in this apparently civilized country - we euphemistically call it "smacking". Where is all the moral outrage over that? We are a nation full of child abuser apologists.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:30pm: Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist Parents perform culturally sanctioned abuse of their children all the time in this apparently civilized country - we euphemistically call it "smacking". Where is all the moral outrage over that? We are a nation full of child abuser apologists.

I'm outraged over smacking. Decent parents don't do it.

I'm also outraged over people putting young children in buckets, pushing down with force on their little heads, and then sealing them in with an air-tight lid.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious.

Oh, they're serious, G.

And it's not just any old father. It's one of THEM.

Stupid and irresponsible - yes.

But it doesn't necessarily make him "scum" who should be ripped from his family and thrown in prison - for something that didn't even hurt the kid.

Smacking (aka physical beatings) causes actual pain and trauma to children - but we don't go around screaming that the perpetrators are scum that should be thrown in prison. Well mostly not anyway.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:30pm: Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist Parents perform culturally sanctioned abuse of their children all the time in this apparently civilized country - we euphemistically call it "smacking". Where is all the moral outrage over that? We are a nation full of child abuser apologists.

Says a muslim who has no problem suffocating children, you're just another sicko. Nothing new. Your ideology has royally screwed you up in the head.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

Jeez, talk about an overreaction.

"Stuff him in a drum and seal that and drag him around and see how he likes it. Better still chuck it on a fire."   He Man

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:30pm: Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist Parents perform culturally sanctioned abuse of their children all the time in this apparently civilized country - we euphemistically call it "smacking". Where is all the moral outrage over that? We are a nation full of child abuser apologists. Says a muslim who has no problem suffocating children, you're just another sicko. Nothing new. Your ideology has royally screwed you up in the head.

Except the child didn't suffocate.

He Man, do you call people "sickos" whose "ideology has royally screwed them up" who don't froth at the mouth over physically beating children, or other types of child abuse (ie almost everyone)?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

Stupid and irresponsible - yes. But it doesn't necessarily make him "scum" who should be ripped from his family and thrown in prison - for something that didn't even hurt the kid. Smacking causes actual pain and trauma to children - but we don't go around screaming that the perpetrators are scum that should be thrown in prison. Well mostly not anyway.

Not sure how you hit your kids but we don't hit them to beat the living shyte out of them here in the west. Not like you musseys belting the living shyte out of people because you crack a fat over a nice looking girl.

I am flabbergasted you sickos even remotely entertain the idea that suffocating your own daughter is perfectly normal, you are screwed in the head.Royally.

This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country.

Utterly amazing.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

Not sure how you hit your kids but we don't hit them to beat the living shyte out of them here in the west.

Smacking is supposed to cause pain - otherwise there would be no point to it and the child would just laugh at you and think its a game. Deliberately causing physical pain to children = child abuse.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:58pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:48pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:30pm: Lovely to see the true colors come out as a child abuser apologist Parents perform culturally sanctioned abuse of their children all the time in this apparently civilized country - we euphemistically call it "smacking". Where is all the moral outrage over that? We are a nation full of child abuser apologists. Says a muslim who has no problem suffocating children, you're just another sicko. Nothing new. Your ideology has royally screwed you up in the head. Except the child didn't suffocate. He Man, do you call people "sickos" whose "ideology has royally screwed them up" who don't froth at the mouth over physically beating children, or other types of child abuse (ie almost everyone)?

The child was crying, had her neck bent forward, and was sealed in an air-tight container.

It could have ended so badly.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country. Utterly amazing.

No it's not.

It's an example of bad behaviour. Trawl the internet for bad behaviour on people other than Muslims for a change and you will find plenty of examples.

This is no reason to judge the entirety of the Muslim world.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country.

It has nothing to do with religion.

It's just a bad parent.

By blaming Islam, you're making excuses for this guy - you're an apologist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious.

The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem?

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:29pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeL3xHLYQs No oxygen: The little child’s head disappears from view as the father seals the air-tight lid on the plastic bucket.

Hang em and hang em high.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:03pm: This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country. It has nothing to do with religion. It's just a bad parent. By blaming Islam, you're making excuses for this guy - you're an apologist.

I am not blaming islam. Islam encourages this lunatic behavior. If you have a problem go sook at your local mosque not me.

mothra wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:03pm: This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country. Utterly amazing. No it's not. It's an example of bad behaviour. Trawl the internet for bad behaviour on people other than Muslims for a change and you will find plenty of examples. This is no reason to judge the entirety of the Muslim world.

Get lost you sick in the head troll, no one wants you here.

... wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious. The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem?

Exactly. The Moslems and their apologists want to excuse such heinous behavior.

We blame Islam.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:11pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:03pm: This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country. Utterly amazing. No it's not. It's an example of bad behaviour. Trawl the internet for bad behaviour on people other than Muslims for a change and you will find plenty of examples. This is no reason to judge the entirety of the Muslim world. Get lost you sick in the head troll, no one wants you here.

Can't actually argue with what i said then? Typical.

... wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious. The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem?

Easy Honk - because for all the frothing at the mouth over this story, none of the above is mentioned.

The child did not suffocate, and did not suffer any injuries. If she did, we would obviously have heard about it. The man's lawyer stated that the ordeal lasted "a few seconds". The video shows the man walking down a small set of steps then the video ends. Its reasonable to assume the child was released at that point. When we look at all the frothing at the mouth over this incident, I don't see any mention of a) the child remaining in the bucket for any length of time or b) a passerby intervening and releasing the child against the wishes of the father. Again, if either of these happened, the mouth-frothers would obviously be all over it.

He Man wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:15pm: He Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:03pm: This is the perfect example of why we shouldn't let anymore of this lot into our country. It has nothing to do with religion. It's just a bad parent. By blaming Islam, you're making excuses for this guy - you're an apologist. I am not blaming islam. Islam encourages this lunatic behavior. If you have a problem go sook at your local mosque not me.

Apologist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

... wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:17pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious. The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem? Easy Honk - because for all the frothing at the mouth over this story, none of the above is mentioned. The child did not suffocate, and did not suffer any injuries. If she did, we would obviously have heard about it. The man's lawyer stated that the ordeal lasted "a few seconds". The video shows the man walking down a small set of steps then the video ends. Its reasonable to assume the child was released at that point. When we look at all the frothing at the mouth over this incident, I don't see any mention of a) the child remaining in the bucket for any length of time or b) a passerby intervening and releasing the child against the wishes of the father. Again, if either of these happened, the mouth-frothers would obviously be all over it.

Just as I said - because he's Moslem. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

Stupid and irresponsible - yes. But it doesn't necessarily make him "scum" who should be ripped from his family and thrown in prison - for something that didn't even hurt the kid. Smacking (aka physical beatings) causes actual pain and trauma to children - but we don't go around screaming that the perpetrators are scum that should be thrown in prison. Well mostly not anyway.

Let's put Gandalf in a bucket and close the lid. It's all good, isn't it?

Thats right mistie - "stupid and irresponsible" = all good, right?  ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Thats right mistie - "stupid and irresponsible" = all good, right?  ::)

Well he's a moslem arab, so we already know he's stupid and irresponsible.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:57pm: Stupid and irresponsible - yes. But it doesn't necessarily make him "scum" who should be ripped from his family and thrown in prison - for something that didn't even hurt the kid. Smacking (aka physical beatings) causes actual pain and trauma to children - but we don't go around screaming that the perpetrators are scum that should be thrown in prison. Well mostly not anyway. Let's put Gandalf in a bucket and close the lid. It's all good, isn't it?

I don’t think he’d fit. We need to do this to the Muselman’s kids, before we throw them overboard.

Drown them.

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 6:50pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:57pm: Stupid and irresponsible - yes. But it doesn't necessarily make him "scum" who should be ripped from his family and thrown in prison - for something that didn't even hurt the kid. Smacking (aka physical beatings) causes actual pain and trauma to children - but we don't go around screaming that the perpetrators are scum that should be thrown in prison. Well mostly not anyway. Let's put Gandalf in a bucket and close the lid. It's all good, isn't it? I don’t think he’d fit. We need to do this to the Muselman’s kids, before we throw them overboard. Drown them.

Sounds like a plan.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious.

Sick man of islam. Where did the seconds come from allah ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

... wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:17pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious. The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem? Easy Honk - because for all the frothing at the mouth over this story, none of the above is mentioned. The child did not suffocate, and did not suffer any injuries. If she did, we would obviously have heard about it. The man's lawyer stated that the ordeal lasted "a few seconds". The video shows the man walking down a small set of steps then the video ends. Its reasonable to assume the child was released at that point. When we look at all the frothing at the mouth over this incident, I don't see any mention of a) the child remaining in the bucket for any length of time or b) a passerby intervening and releasing the child against the wishes of the father. Again, if either of these happened, the mouth-frothers would obviously be all over it.

So according to Gandalf it was acceptable behaviour.

Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D

Gandalf,

That's not in the post above.

I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that.

you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste

Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste

You're the apologist, Booby.

You're using Islam as an excuse for this guy.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket?

The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:32am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:18pm: ... wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:17pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 3:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:15pm: Remove him from the family, and place him in prison. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 1:55pm: I've also stated that he is a low-life piece of scum, who is not fit to be a parent. Jeez, talk about an overreaction. father puts baby in a bucket for literally a few seconds - then takes her out no damage done. Now suddenly he is the anti-christ. Stupid? Yes gaolable offense? You can't be serious. The video doesn't show him take her out at all.  What leads you to believe he did, that it was only for a few seconds, or that there was no damage done?  Because he's moslem? Easy Honk - because for all the frothing at the mouth over this story, none of the above is mentioned. The child did not suffocate, and did not suffer any injuries. If she did, we would obviously have heard about it. The man's lawyer stated that the ordeal lasted "a few seconds". The video shows the man walking down a small set of steps then the video ends. Its reasonable to assume the child was released at that point. When we look at all the frothing at the mouth over this incident, I don't see any mention of a) the child remaining in the bucket for any length of time or b) a passerby intervening and releasing the child against the wishes of the father. Again, if either of these happened, the mouth-frothers would obviously be all over it. So according to Gandalf it was acceptable behaviour.

Absolutely, gandalf has no problems with suffocating his daughter in a sealed bucket. Only for few seconds though in gandalf's case, to teach her a sick islamic lesson.

These freaks actually live amongst us.

He Man wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other.

Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort.

You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort. You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam.

It sailed right in one ear and out the other didn't it, he was talking about the religion. Clearly you know nothing about it. You would do well doing some learning before commenting nanna.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:09pm: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort. You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam. It sailed right in one ear and out the other didn't it, he was talking about the religion. Clearly you know nothing about it. You would do well doing some learning before commenting nanna.

The religion is not typically represented by a person stuffing a baby into a bucket and putting on the lid.

The religion is not typified by draconian penalties to women.

You need to remove yourself from your very deeply rooted hatred of all things Islam and embrace the reality of the religion.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:02pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:09pm: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort. You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam. It sailed right in one ear and out the other didn't it, he was talking about the religion. Clearly you know nothing about it. You would do well doing some learning before commenting nanna. The religion is not typically represented by a person stuffing a baby into a bucket and putting on the lid. The religion is not typified by draconian penalties to women. You need to remove yourself from your very deeply rooted hatred of all things Islam and embrace the reality of the religion.

You need to learn what you are actually talking about before commenting grandma.

Come back when you do.

He Man wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other.

That's true - a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:05pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:02pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:09pm: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort. You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam. It sailed right in one ear and out the other didn't it, he was talking about the religion. Clearly you know nothing about it. You would do well doing some learning before commenting nanna. The religion is not typically represented by a person stuffing a baby into a bucket and putting on the lid. The religion is not typified by draconian penalties to women. You need to remove yourself from your very deeply rooted hatred of all things Islam and embrace the reality of the religion. You need to learn what you are actually talking about before commenting grandma. Come back when you do.

I know that most Muslims in the world don't stuff their kids into buckets and that this person is not representative of his religion.

But Mothra,

a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children.

It says so in the Koran.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:09pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:05pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 9:02pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:09pm: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Many Muslim societies don't do anything of the sort. The majority of Muslims don't do anything of the sort. You have a problem with certain regimes and tribal practices, not the bulk of Islam. It sailed right in one ear and out the other didn't it, he was talking about the religion. Clearly you know nothing about it. You would do well doing some learning before commenting nanna. The religion is not typically represented by a person stuffing a baby into a bucket and putting on the lid. The religion is not typified by draconian penalties to women. You need to remove yourself from your very deeply rooted hatred of all things Islam and embrace the reality of the religion. You need to learn what you are actually talking about before commenting grandma. Come back when you do. I know that most Muslims in the world don't stuff their kids into buckets and that this person is not representative of his religion.

Firstly no you don't, secondly you don't even know what a muslim is nor what the quran teaches.

On your bike granny.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran.

It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there.

It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you.

Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim?

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim?

If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation.

There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives?

Do you think Gandalf beats his wife?

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation. There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives? Do you think Gandalf beats his wife?

Name the gaps I see none, the Qur'an see's none.

I don't class gandalf as a muslim. He likes to think he is one. He has stated he has his own version of islam openly. The book he follows (The Qur'an) follows him around shouting out hypocrite and heretic but he consciously ignores that which actually negates him being a muslim according to the Qur'an his own so called holy book.

You can read that clearly on here anywhere when he is challenged with it.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:54pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:48pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation. There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives? Do you think Gandalf beats his wife? Name the gaps I see none, the Qur'an see's none. I don't class gandalf as a muslim. He likes to think he is one. He has stated he has his own version of islam openly. The book he follows (The Qur'an) follows him around shouting out hypocrite and heretic but he consciously ignores that which actually negates him being a muslim according to the Qur'an his own so called holy book. You can read that clearly on here anywhere when he is challenged with it.

So this is about your rigid classification, not actual Muslims who live amongst us and all over the world in relative peace and harmony. Gandalf isn't a Muslim according to you because he doesn't fit your idea of what a Muslim is.

Did you ever consider that it is you that has it wrong?

All evidence seems to suggest that.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:48pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation. There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives? Do you think Gandalf beats his wife? Name the gaps I see none, the Qur'an see's none. I don't class gandalf as a muslim. He likes to think he is one. He has stated he has his own version of islam openly. The book he follows (The Qur'an) follows him around shouting out hypocrite and heretic but he consciously ignores that which actually negates him being a muslim according to the Qur'an his own so called holy book. You can read that clearly on here anywhere when he is challenged with it. So this is about your rigid classification, not actual Muslims who live amongst us and all over the world in relative peace and harmony. Gandalf isn't a Muslim according to you because he doesn't fit your idea of what a Muslim is. Did you ever consider that it is you that has it wrong? All evidence seems to suggest that.

No evidence being the Qur'an suggests this at all.

Its simply about what the Qur'an says and how it defines what you call a muslim is. If you wish to ignore that feel free I couldn't care less.

Thats why I tell you to learn what you are talking about before attempting to troll the subject.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:57pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:48pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation. There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives? Do you think Gandalf beats his wife? Name the gaps I see none, the Qur'an see's none. I don't class gandalf as a muslim. He likes to think he is one. He has stated he has his own version of islam openly. The book he follows (The Qur'an) follows him around shouting out hypocrite and heretic but he consciously ignores that which actually negates him being a muslim according to the Qur'an his own so called holy book. You can read that clearly on here anywhere when he is challenged with it. So this is about your rigid classification, not actual Muslims who live amongst us and all over the world in relative peace and harmony. Gandalf isn't a Muslim according to you because he doesn't fit your idea of what a Muslim is. Did you ever consider that it is you that has it wrong? All evidence seems to suggest that. No, REAL evidence, being the Qur'an suggests this at all. Its simply about what the Qur'an says and how if defines what you call a muslim is. If you wish to ignore that feel free I couldn't care less. Thats why I tell you to learn what you are talking about before attempting to troll the subject.

If you are running afoul of what a Muslim actually is, and it conflicts with what a Muslim actually is then the chances are your definition is wrong.

Your assessment clearly contradicts what a Muslim is in most parts of the world.

Have you read many testimonials of women who are Muslim? I know there are dreadful examples but there is much that is really encouraging.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there.

It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book.

Many Christians do too. And Jews. All sorts of people glean evil out of those old books.

Plenty of people across the board pick out better bits though.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:02pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:57pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:54pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:48pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:44pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:37pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:36pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It does if the old book states, if they don't, they are not muslims. In which case you would be talking about non muslims or islamic heretics. You do understand that don't you. Are you saying that Muslims who do not beat their wives cannot call themselves Muslim? If the wife does not act as the Quran dictates, yes exactly. This is the whole problem with the religion. The sick book that leaves no air gaps nor interpretation. There are plenty of gaps for interpretation. Surely you are not arguing that most Muslims beat their wives? Do you think Gandalf beats his wife? Name the gaps I see none, the Qur'an see's none. I don't class gandalf as a muslim. He likes to think he is one. He has stated he has his own version of islam openly. The book he follows (The Qur'an) follows him around shouting out hypocrite and heretic but he consciously ignores that which actually negates him being a muslim according to the Qur'an his own so called holy book. You can read that clearly on here anywhere when he is challenged with it. So this is about your rigid classification, not actual Muslims who live amongst us and all over the world in relative peace and harmony. Gandalf isn't a Muslim according to you because he doesn't fit your idea of what a Muslim is. Did you ever consider that it is you that has it wrong? All evidence seems to suggest that. No, REAL evidence, being the Qur'an suggests this at all. Its simply about what the Qur'an says and how if defines what you call a muslim is. If you wish to ignore that feel free I couldn't care less. Thats why I tell you to learn what you are talking about before attempting to troll the subject. If you are running afoul of what a Muslim actually is, and it conflicts with what a Muslim actually is then the chances are your definition is wrong. Your assessment clearly contradicts what a Muslim is in most parts of the world. Have you read many testimonials of women who are Muslim? I know there are dreadful examples but there is much that is really encouraging.

Why are you babbling on about what a muslim is I already told you the Qur'an defines that. Same definition I use, not you. Which makes you clearly wrong. Like I said LEARN. You seem to think there is some leeway in its definition. 

My assessment of what a muslim is is 100% accurate and contradicts no one. There are millions of people that call themselves Muslims and Christians and are not. You seem to think they are muslims. The Christian God even said on judgement day they will say its me God thinking they were Christians and he will turn away and say I never knew you. That is consistent with reality. You running around giving all these so called examples of muslims simply clearly are not muslims. Just people that think they are. These pretend ones suite your argument that's why you mention them. There is no other reason you do. The same with gandalf. An in convenient truth makes you side step reality.

I comment on REAL muslims not pretend ones.

Believe what you want, I couldn't care less, I'll go with the actual ideologies doctrine.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book.

In a nut shell negating them being muslims in the process. Its pretty simple.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book. Many Christians do too. And Jews. All sorts of people glean evil out of those old books. Plenty of people across the board pick out better bits though.

The irony of islam though is that the book itself IS the evil and it is that that defines the religion and what a muslim is. Not what evil people glean out of it. In context it is evil. Yes the inconvenient truth raises its head for the apologist to show disdain again.That's the difference nice try though.

It has more bigotry and violent instructions in it than Adolf Hitlers mein kamph. Fact.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:18pm:

Why are you babbling on about what a muslim is I already told you the Qur'an defines that. Same definition I use, not you. Which makes you clearly wrong. Like I said LEARN. You seem to think there is some leeway in its definition.  My assessment of what a muslim is is 100% accurate and contradicts no one. There are millions of people that call themselves Muslims and Christians and are not. You seem to think they are muslims. The Christian God even said on judgement day they will say its me God thinking they were Christians and he will turn away and say I never knew you. That is consistent with reality. You running around giving all these so called examples of muslims simply clearly are not muslims. Just people that think they are. These pretend ones suite your argument that's why you mention them. There is no other reason you do. The same with gandalf. An in convenient truth makes you side step reality. I comment on REAL muslims not pretend ones. Believe what you want, I couldn't care less, I'll go with the actual ideologies doctrine.

So are you saying that the Bible defines what a Christian is? Ok to keep slaves is it?

Or do you think people define themselves?

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book. Many Christians do too. And Jews. All sorts of people glean evil out of those old books. Plenty of people across the board pick out better bits though. The irony of islam though is that the book itself IS the evil and it is that that defines the religion and what a muslim is. Not what evil people glean out of it. In context it is evil. Yes the inconvenient truth raises its head for the apologist to show disdain again.That's the difference nice try though. It has more bigotry and violent instructions in it than Adolf Hitlers mein kamph. Fact.

All of the old books are filled with hatred and bigotry. People are selective about what parts they agree with and what parts they don't.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:23pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book. Many Christians do too. And Jews. All sorts of people glean evil out of those old books. Plenty of people across the board pick out better bits though. The irony of islam though is that the book itself IS the evil and it is that that defines the religion and what a muslim is. Not what evil people glean out of it. In context it is evil. Yes the inconvenient truth raises its head for the apologist to show disdain again.That's the difference nice try though. It has more bigotry and violent instructions in it than Adolf Hitlers mein kamph. Fact. All of the old books are filled with hatred and bigotry. People are selective about what parts they agree with and what parts they don't.

I agree. That doesn't make them an adherent though. An adherent satisfies the doctrines definition of what an adherent is.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:34pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:26pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:23pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:12pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:31pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 10:26pm: But Mothra, a Muslim is permitted to beat his wife & children. It says so in the Koran. It says alot of unpleasant things in all of the old books. It doesn;t mean that all followers of old books follow every sentiment in there. It means that many Muslims do follow what's in their old lunatic book. Many Christians do too. And Jews. All sorts of people glean evil out of those old books. Plenty of people across the board pick out better bits though. The irony of islam though is that the book itself IS the evil and it is that that defines the religion and what a muslim is. Not what evil people glean out of it. In context it is evil. Yes the inconvenient truth raises its head for the apologist to show disdain again.That's the difference nice try though. It has more bigotry and violent instructions in it than Adolf Hitlers mein kamph. Fact. All of the old books are filled with hatred and bigotry. People are selective about what parts they agree with and what parts they don't. I agree. That doesn't make them an adherent though. An adherent satisfies the doctrines definition of what an adherent is.

The doctrines are all over the place. It is the duty of the reasonable reader to apply what suits theim or not.

Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. They interpret the Bible hatefully. They preach hate as a result.

Very different from my mother who uses the word of God to do good deeds, be inclusive and support human rights.

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

The doctrines are all over the place. It is the duty of the reasonable reader to apply what suits theim or not. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. They interpret the Bible hatefully. They preach hate as a result. Very different from my mother who uses the word of God to do good deeds, be inclusive and support human rights.

They can interpret the bible because the bible is a collection of books written by men inspired by God. It is translated over and over again to become more accurate over time as we learn more about history, customs and the definition of words use back in the day.

It doesn't claim to be word by word from God. Does westboro go against the teachings of Christ. Yes they do. They simply are NOT christians.

Your mother on the other hand if she believes the Gospel message and follows Christs instructions is a true Christian. If she just does good deeds based on the bible and rejects the gospel then she is just a good woman and not a Christian.


The doctrine of islam re what a muslim is is the same in every Qu'ran and is stated it is the actual word of god word for word. There is no room for changing its definition. It allows NO take what you want from it.

If you do according to it you are not a muslim.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:44pm: The doctrines are all over the place. It is the duty of the reasonable reader to apply what suits theim or not. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. They interpret the Bible hatefully. They preach hate as a result. Very different from my mother who uses the word of God to do good deeds, be inclusive and support human rights. They can interpret the bible because the bible is a collection of books written by men inspired by God. It is translated over and over again to become more accurate over time as we learn more about history, customs and the definition of words use back in the day. It doesn't claim to be word by word from God. Does westboro go against the teachings of Christ. Yes they do. They simply are NOT christians. Your mother on the other hand if she believes the Gospel message and follows Christs instructions is a true Christian. If she just does good deeds based on the bible and rejects the gospel then she is just a good woman and not a Christian. The doctrine of islam re what a muslim is is the same in every Qu'ran and is stated it is the actual word of god word for word. There is no room for changing its definition. It allows NO take what you want from it. If you do according to it you are not a muslim.

I think your definitions are too strict. People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. At least i hope so for your sake.

I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said.

You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

I think your definitions are too strict.

You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions.


mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

People interpret these ancient books as they see fit.

Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of.


mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour.

I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality.


mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

At least i hope so for your sake.

Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend.



mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said.

My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you.


mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am:

You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is.

Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one.

All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:05am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry.

No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:17am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:05am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry. No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by.

No. It is you imposing on others what they think.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:42am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:17am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:05am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry. No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by. No. It is you imposing on others what they think.

I am imposing nothing, nice try though.  I am just stating what is the truth from islamic doctrine rather than what I perceive is the truth like you are trying to impose on others. I am happy to stick to the islamic doctrine, something you choose to ignore because it simply does not support your view.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:46am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:42am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:17am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:05am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry. No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by. No. It is you imposing on others what they think. I am imposing nothing, nice try though.  I am just stating what is the truth from islamic doctrine rather than what I perceive is the truth like you are trying to impose on others. I am happy to stick to the islamic doctrine, something you choose to ignore because it simply does not support your view.

My view is that there are numerous interpretations of the Qur'an. It i as open to interpretation as any of the old books.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:54am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:46am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:42am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:17am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:05am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry. No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by. No. It is you imposing on others what they think. I am imposing nothing, nice try though.  I am just stating what is the truth from islamic doctrine rather than what I perceive is the truth like you are trying to impose on others. I am happy to stick to the islamic doctrine, something you choose to ignore because it simply does not support your view. My view is that there are numerous interpretations of the Qur'an. It i as open to interpretation as any of the old books.

Yet it says it isn't, funny that. Well good for you in any case.

Enjoy.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:04am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:54am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:46am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:42am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:17am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 1:05am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:38am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I think your definitions are too strict. You can think what you want I don't care, they are not my definitions they are the doctrinal written clear definition in any quran you care to offer up. I make no interpretation. You had better contact the writer if you don't like them they are not my definitions. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: People interpret these ancient books as they see fit. Thats my whole point. In the case of the Qur'an the ones you call muslims that support your view would be simply wrong in assuming they were actually muslim. According to their own doctrine they assume they are part of. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: But religion is more about visceral feeling than it is about learned behaviour. I never said anything about learn behavior.  Religion is about belief and spirituality. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: At least i hope so for your sake. Feign as you may, you have no feeling for me. Lets not pretend. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: I assure you my mother is a good Catholic woman, but i doubt she would agree with the way you conduct yourself, or almost anything you have said. My conduct is sinful why would she agree with that. So is her conduct. If she would not agree with what I have just reiterated about the gospel she simply is NOT a christian. Feel free to think she is but I feel you don't speak for your mother actually. Secondly the fact she is a good Roman Catholic means squat. Roman Catholicism was created by Romans it is not the Holy Catholic church as mentioned in the bible. Do you seriously think the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and all those priests are meant to be celibate and then caving in to carnal desire. The Gold horded up in the vatican. Thats the most evil organization on the face of the earth along side islam. I wouldn't run around quoting the Roman Catholic Church so much if I were you. mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 12:19am: You cannot claim somebody;s spirituality isn't what they say it is because it conflicts with your narrow view of what that spirituality is. Correct, I use the doctrine they say they believe in to refute it. That way I don't have a narrow view but a rather accurate one. All that said and you are still wrong about what a Muslim is. You are blinded by bigotry. No that would be you due to lack of understanding and being unteachable and the paradigm you live by. No. It is you imposing on others what they think. I am imposing nothing, nice try though.  I am just stating what is the truth from islamic doctrine rather than what I perceive is the truth like you are trying to impose on others. I am happy to stick to the islamic doctrine, something you choose to ignore because it simply does not support your view. My view is that there are numerous interpretations of the Qur'an. It i as open to interpretation as any of the old books. Yet it says it isn't, funny that. Well good for you in any case. Enjoy.

Millions of Muslims prove you wrong.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:09am:

Millions of Muslims prove you wrong.

Haven't met one yet.

Or maybe millions of Qur'ans prove you wrong instead. Since the Qur'an defines the religion and what a Muslim actually is,  I'll stick with millions of Qur'ans not millions of people that call themselves muslims. Just like the millions of Christians that call themselves Christians and aren't.

Maybe you should rephrase your laughable reply as "I think millions of people that call themselves muslims prove you wrong in some ludicrus way" that at least would be an accurate assessment of your ignorance.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:13am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:09am: Millions of Muslims prove you wrong. Haven't met one yet. Or maybe millions of Qur'ans prove you wrong instead. Since the Qur'an defines the religion and what a Muslim actually is,  I'll stick with millions of Qur'ans not millions of people that call themselves muslims. Just like the millions of Christians that call themselves Christians and aren't. Maybe you should rephrase your laughable reply as "I think millions of people that call themselves muslims prove you wrong in some ludicrus way" that at least would be an accurate assessment of your ignorance.

It's a shame you take such a prejudiced view. You could learn so very much.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:20am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:13am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:09am: Millions of Muslims prove you wrong. Haven't met one yet. Or maybe millions of Qur'ans prove you wrong instead. Since the Qur'an defines the religion and what a Muslim actually is,  I'll stick with millions of Qur'ans not millions of people that call themselves muslims. Just like the millions of Christians that call themselves Christians and aren't. Maybe you should rephrase your laughable reply as "I think millions of people that call themselves muslims prove you wrong in some ludicrus way" that at least would be an accurate assessment of your ignorance. It's a shame you take such a prejudiced view. You could learn so very much.

Its a shame you don't know how to base your arguments on fact rather than ill informed emotions and assumptions. You have no idea about the subjects you post about clearly. I on the other hand know quite a lot about the subjects I debate. So trying to put me down is a waste of time in your case. I learn every day, you clearly are an ignoramus and just a troll.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:20am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:13am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:09am: Millions of Muslims prove you wrong. Haven't met one yet. Or maybe millions of Qur'ans prove you wrong instead. Since the Qur'an defines the religion and what a Muslim actually is,  I'll stick with millions of Qur'ans not millions of people that call themselves muslims. Just like the millions of Christians that call themselves Christians and aren't. Maybe you should rephrase your laughable reply as "I think millions of people that call themselves muslims prove you wrong in some ludicrus way" that at least would be an accurate assessment of your ignorance. It's a shame you take such a prejudiced view. You could learn so very much. Its a shame you don't know how to base your arguments on fact rather than ill informed emotions and assumptions. You have no idea about the subjects you post about clearly. I on the other hand know quite a lot about the subjects I debate. So trying to put me down is a waste of time in your case. I learn every day, you clearly are an ignoramus and just a troll.

Mo. You are basing the entire religion of Islam on quotes you have learned from the Qu'ran. Quotes.

There is, of course, more to it than that.

mothra wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:32am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:27am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:20am: LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:13am: mothra wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:09am: Millions of Muslims prove you wrong. Haven't met one yet. Or maybe millions of Qur'ans prove you wrong instead. Since the Qur'an defines the religion and what a Muslim actually is,  I'll stick with millions of Qur'ans not millions of people that call themselves muslims. Just like the millions of Christians that call themselves Christians and aren't. Maybe you should rephrase your laughable reply as "I think millions of people that call themselves muslims prove you wrong in some ludicrus way" that at least would be an accurate assessment of your ignorance. It's a shame you take such a prejudiced view. You could learn so very much. Its a shame you don't know how to base your arguments on fact rather than ill informed emotions and assumptions. You have no idea about the subjects you post about clearly. I on the other hand know quite a lot about the subjects I debate. So trying to put me down is a waste of time in your case. I learn every day, you clearly are an ignoramus and just a troll. Mo. You are basing the entire religion of Islam on quotes you have learned from the Qu'ran. Quotes. There is, of course, more to it than that.

Just a tip, make a meaningful coherent post next time.

He Man wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other.

Apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist.

I have to agree it is the religion that encourages such violence, the muselman should be avoided at all costs.

Karnel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:05am: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist. I have to agree it is the religion that encourages such violence, the muselman should be avoided at all costs.

Apologist.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

Karnel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 5:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:05am: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist. I have to agree it is the religion that encourages such violence, the muselman should be avoided at all costs. Apologist.

Where ?

Karnel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:35pm: Karnel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 5:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:05am: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist. I have to agree it is the religion that encourages such violence, the muselman should be avoided at all costs. Apologist. Where ?

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Nice fry pan, is it dinner time at your house ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist.

Completestupidtroll.

Unflushableturd.

Bomb them

Soren wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:05am: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist. nice person.

Thank you.

Gregs posts are all floaters, no?

Soren wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 9:05am: He Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 8:12am: Absolutely Bobby - cause as everyone knows "stupid and irresponsible" totally means "acceptable"   :D Gandalf, That's not in the post above. I can't be bothered looking to find where you might have said that. you are forgiven for being a Muslim apologist namaste Sir Bobby, What does the religion of the idiot who stuffed his kid in a bucket have to do with him stuffing his kid into the bucket? The idiot religion encourages such violence, even worse, to punish what it calls disobedient wives or children. No doubt that will sail right in one ear and out the other. Apologist. Completestupidtroll. Unflushableturd.

Miam miam.

removed

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

Miam miam.

Dopey PB.

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 8:48pm: Miam miam. Dopey PB.

No need for foreplay, OB. I don’t care if it gets your juices flowing or not.

Now roll over.

He Man wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

removed

Tissue ?

Karnel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Gregs posts are all floaters, no?

Yes

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:29pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeL3xHLYQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtsNqG7xb0 https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/02/20/2E0C099800000578-3300575-image-m-8_1446495599250.jpg Screaming: The tiny infant was picked up by her father, in the footage filmed in the Israeli city of Abu Gosh, west of Jerusalem, before being forced into a bucket. https://i1.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/02/20/2E0C09A200000578-3300575-image-m-9_1446495615066.jpg Punishment: The tiny child is squashed by her father into the plastic bucket as a young boy watches on. https://i1.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/02/20/2E0C09A900000578-3300575-image-m-11_1446495725349.jpg Vulnerable: The unidentified father claims that he only put his young daughter in the bucket to teach her a lesson. https://i0.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/02/20/2E0C09AD00000578-3300575-image-m-13_1446495743734.jpg Parenting skills: The wailing infant fights back but is no match for her father, who pushes her head down into the bucket. [img]https://i1.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/02/20/2E0C09B100000578-3300575-image-m-15_1446495761827.jpg[img] No oxygen: The little child’s head disappears from view as the father seals the air-tight lid on the plastic bucket.

Musseys bring a whole new meaning to the bucket
challenge. At least they are musseys I guess. When they
grow up they will be doing the same.

Are we talking  ;D  ;D about SEALs or seals?.... Just asking...... 

Perhaps you could explain...      ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 11^th, 2015 at 11:24pm:

Are we talking  ;D  ;D about SEALs or seals?.... Just asking......  Perhaps you could explain...      ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Maybe you could read the OP and work it out for yourself troll.

I'm just letting youse guys work it out for your selves... that is your main chance...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 11^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

I'm just letting youse guys work it out for your selves... that is your main chance... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Why troll threads with utter nonsense ?

The OP is a great example of just why you don't want to let this sort of thinking into this country. All muslims are at this simplistic level. You don't have much to work with when talking to one intellectually.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

The OP is a great example of just why you don't want to let this sort of thinking into this country. All muslims are at this simplistic level. You don't have much to work with when talking to one intellectually.

You're obviously not talking from experience so, who told you this?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:34pm: The OP is a great example of just why you don't want to let this sort of thinking into this country. All muslims are at this simplistic level. You don't have much to work with when talking to one intellectually. You're obviously not talking from experience so, who told you this?

and you're obviously not talking from experience so ???