THE political assassination of Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull’s return to the Liberal leadership six years after he was dumped has lifted the Coalition ahead of Labor for the first time in 16 months.

The first comprehensive poll taken since Monday night’s bloody coup has recorded a three-point bounce in the Coalition’s primary vote since May.

The Coalition under the leadership of Mr Turnbull now leads Labor on a two-party preferred basis of 51-49 — with ominous signs for the opposition.

Mr Turnbull has also opened a two-to-one lead as preferred prime minister over Bill Shorten within days of being installed as leader.

Despite being in office only a matter of hours, 51 per cent of voters rated him as making a better prime minister compared to 20 per cent for Opposition Leader Mr Shorten.

The results will relieve Coalition MPs, who feared the Liberal right-wing would revolt in anger over the dumping of Mr Abbott.

In a troubling sign for Mr Shorten’s own leadership, 27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister — although this would be unlikely to translate into Labor supporters switching to the Coalition.

Among Coalition voters, 82 per cent endorsed Mr Turnbull as PM over Mr Shorten with only 4 per cent of Coalition voters preferring Mr Shorten.

However, the poll also showed a high number of people who have parked their vote and reserved judgment on Mr Turnbull, with 29 per cent refusing to commit to endorsing either.

Previous polls comparing Mr Abbott to Mr Shorten had an uncommitted number of between 22 and 25 per cent.

Galaxy CEO David Briggs said those who had made up their mind were positive in their support for Mr Turnbull.

“(But) there is a reasonable proportion who have yet to make up their mind,” he said.

Pollsters have warned of the “sugar hit” effect and said the Coalition’s challenge now would be to prevent it sliding back if the government cannot remain unified.

A national Galaxy poll of 1224 voters in the aftermath of the spill showed an immediate lift in the Coalition primary vote from 41 per cent to 44 per cent — recovering almost all lost territory since the 2013 election, which it won on a primary vote of 45.5 per cent.

At its lowest ebb the Coalition sank to 36 per cent primary in February amid the first leadership spill.

Mr Abbott managed to recover the ground to lift the primary vote to 41 per cent before the Bronwyn Bishop chopper scandal.

The poll bounce followed the first leak against Mr Turnbull, which revealed he was the Abbott’s government’s worst-performing minister when it came to appointing women to board positions with just one appointee out of 16 made by his office.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/malcolm-turnbull-leadership-coup-propels-coalition-ahead-of-labor/story-fni0cx12-1227532399809

They might even stay ahead IF Turnbull and the party decide to dump the draconian Abbott policies, otherwise the 'honeymoon period' will be short lived.

First poll AP has posted in 16 months ?

I would think that at this point any poll is meaningless.

he should go to an election while he's on a sugar hit...

otherwise, he's a dead duck..

Of course it was going to be popular , we just got rid of the worst PM ever, Australia is celebrating.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 6:54am:

They might even stay ahead IF Turnbull and the party decide to dump the draconian Abbott policies, otherwise the 'honeymoon period' will be short lived.

Hope he does not dump the Abbott plan for good government, I was eagerly waiting for that one to start.

Quote:

27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Labor is toast - finished -

maybe the Greens will be the second party?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:15am:

Quote: 27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And every single one of them is going to have enough time to see him in action and work out how wrong they were.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:15am: Quote: 27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And every single one of them is going to have enough time to see him in action and work out how wrong they were.

But Shorten has no charisma -

Labor voters might turn to the Greens?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:18am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:15am: Quote: 27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And every single one of them is going to have enough time to see him in action and work out how wrong they were. But Shorten has no charisma - Labor voters might turn to the Greens?

Abbott had charisma ?

There is a green with charisma ?

People vote for charisma, no wonder we are not doing so well.

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

This seems to be starkly different from the conservative view when it was Rudd and Gillard ?

Up till last week we were still hearing about backstabbing turncoat Shorten.

Since Libs are still behind their 2013 election position, a DD is the likely future.


A Galaxy poll of federal voting intention for the News Corp tabloids – the first such poll since May – confirms the impress of ReachTEL in recording a relatively modest bounce to the Coalition, who nonetheless peak their noses in front by 51-49 on two-party preferred. That makes this the first poll since a Newspoll in early April 2014 to have the Coalition in front. The primary vote numbers are Coalition 44%, Labor 36%, Greens 11% and Palmer United 2%.


blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/09/18/galaxy-51-49-to-coalition-2/

And it is only the beginning, people!

In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

Better luck next time, Labor!

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor!

Hehehe, didn't take you long to start sounding like a Turnbull supporter. Next week and you'll be saying Abbott who?   ;D ;D ;D Its all those subliminal messages Murdoch hides in his Daily Telegraph. In a months time Longy will be telling us how we need a republic and that gay marriage is only fair.   ;D ;D ;D ;D   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhMByBN0RI

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:46am:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:38am: I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy. This seems to be starkly different from the conservative view when it was Rudd and Gillard ? Up till last week we were still hearing about backstabbing turncoat Shorten.

It was blather then, its blather now. And if either party thinks a different leader will win them the election, they will switch again. We have to remember what is really at stake: other people's money.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

Labor is toast - finished -

That is a really long bow to draw. Two polls around the mark for a hung Parliament with an election a year away doesn't offer much solace for either side. The Coalition in particular shouldn't get their hopes up. This is the honeymoon period for the Coalition, with Turnbull getting wall to wall coverage on all the media - even the ABC is biased towards him at the moment - so a bounce in the polls that favours the Coalition is inevitable.

Turnbull's major weakness is his refusal to repudiate the Abbott government's more unpopular policies. If the policies are crap, it doesn't matter much who the leader is.


Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

maybe the Greens will be the second party?

Not likely. The Greens may win a few more seats at the next election but that's still a long way from the 40 seats or so that they would need to have a realistic chance of being the major party in a coalition government, or the 76 seats that they need to govern in their own right.

Having said that, the Greens may gain seats in unexpected places. People are highlighting safe Labor seats as potential targets for the Greens, but the Greens' demographic of young wealthy urban professionals also takes in some safe Liberal seats such as Higgins (Vic). A recent poll in Higgins (pre-Abbott and taken by Labor so salt to taste) put the Greens and Liberals at 50-50 on preferences in Higgins with the Greens ahead of Labor on primaries.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor!

And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government. 

51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46. 

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy.

The general population is full of people like this. That's why the Coalition have gained about 4 or 5 points in the opinion polls.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:38am: I suspect the only reason Shorten is still there, is that Labor are a bit shy of leadership changes. But all this talk of a "Coup" is sensationalist at best and hysteria at worst. The PM does not have regal or presidential powers. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for the party. If you voted for a party because you like the leader, you don't understand Parliamentary democracy. The general population is full of people like this. That's why the Coalition have gained about 4 or 5 points in the opinion polls.

And that's why there's a real chance that in a few months time we will see that the policies of the government will change (he just needs to ease the changes in slowly). Because a change of leader clearly impacts on the kinds of policies the party persues. 

A single blowfly fart doth not a Spring make... it will take a lot more than a simple leadership change to create a Liberal Spring.... it will demand a 180 degree change in policy direction....

Otherwise:-

https://media.giphy.com/media/iG36A36bKIgM/giphy.gif

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath.

Longy logic at its finest ...  ::) Just posting crap without anything to back it up.

Turnbull's approval rating when replaced by Abbott in 2009 was nearly as low as Abbott's was when Turnbull challenged him a few days ago. It's not a stretch to guess that it can happen again.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government.

That is an example of the muddle-headed Liberal party born-to-rule mentality. The goal of any government is to govern. A government that only seeks to keep an Opposition out of power or that seeks power just for the sake of power is not fit to govern.

Australia's not doing very well at the moment with the Abbott-Turnbull government. The only thing that will save the Abbott-Turnbull government is for Turnbull to put a big skip outside Parliament and fill it with unpopular Abbott-era policies and deadwood Ministers and impose more moderate policies. Only then will it become a Turnbull government. If he does not do this, the label of the Abbott-Turnbull government will gain traction and his honeymoon will not last long.

Very small sugar hit, thought there would be a bigger one.

The policies are still the same so the sugar rush will wear off soon enough.

Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

Oh boy, what delusion!

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.

4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please?

Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.

double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Cream always rises to the top.

Miam miam.

double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

People who say cream rises to the top forget scum rises to the top too. Maybe a good thing not to think in platitudes.

If Mal offers Morriscum the Treasury then we will be in deep, deep recession in not many more months.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

double plus good wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:18am: Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds. People who say cream rises to the top forget scum rises to the top too. Maybe a good thing not to think in platitudes.

Why not? Doubleplusgood is always happy to give credit to the cream in the Labor Party. He's most consistent this way.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.  4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please? Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.

Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed?

Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election.
Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession.

____ wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.  4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please? Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse. Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed? Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election. Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession.

So you are unhappy the Green vote is crashing along with the Labor vote?

double plus good wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

Cream always rises to the top. A tweak here, a spruik there. A change of leadership. It's onward and upward for the Libs now. Try again in 2019 with a new leader rusteds.

.......... or in 2023 ......

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

____ wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 12:06pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.  4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please? Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse. Why hasn't he ... because your prediction skill is flawed? Honeymoon polling is different to bad policies at an election. Liberals have been, and are, crashing the economy into recession. So you are unhappy the Green vote is crashing along with the Labor vote?

From a record high to a 3 point higher position than last election ... nice deflection attempt not. So why are the coalition not calling a DD today ... they haven't read your fax message yet?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.  4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please? Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse.

given how poor shorten is, I would've expected 54/46 from day 1 change.  51/49 during a honeymoon period is not significant.  He still has to deal with Tony's poor policies and if he fails on them expect that 51 to dwindle just like it did for Gillard and Rudd after their honeymoons ended.  Considering shortens performance, 51 is nothing to be pleased about.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 11:26am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 9:18am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:37am: And it is only the beginning, people! In a few weeks the polls with be 54/46 and Labor will be looking at a second consecutive bloodbath. The goal is to keep labor out of office and so save Australia from the disaster that would be Shorten running a union government. Better luck next time, Labor! And that kind of thinking is exactly why Tony got kiccked out. The role of government is to govern.  Not to worry about the Labor party.  The goal of government is the people of Australia.  Not to keep Labor out of government.  51/49 is nothing to be proud of during a honeymoon.  But if Turnbull stays true to his be!iefs then libs will see 54/46.  4 days and a 8 point change.  If that is your idea of 'nothing to be proud of' then can we have some more please? Tunbull could call an election now and Labor is gone probably 53/47 or worse. given how poor shorten is, I would've expected 54/46 from day 1 change.  51/49 during a honeymoon period is not significant.  He still has to deal with Tony's poor policies and if he fails on them expect that 51 to dwindle just like it did for Gillard and Rudd after their honeymoons ended.  Considering shortens performance, 51 is nothing to be pleased about.

It is still a little over 3 days and an 8 point turnaround to a comfortable winning position. From here the future for Labor looks ever bleaker. Imagine how bad it will be for Labor when the government starts making new policies and pushing them through.

Get used to yet another term of the Liberal government.

“making new policies” there is the flaw in that reasoning. Mal can’t make new policies, he has to stick with the toxic policies left him by abbott. Not only that, some minor social issues aside (which he has already betrayed) Mal is just as RW as the loony toon far right in the Lib Party.

That is why they need a massive defeat to get the message that they need to go back to the moderate right and formulate a sensible set of workable, attractive policies.

These should include a Republic, liberal social policies, sensible economic policies including recognition of AGW and the need to turn to clean renewable energy plus adaptation and mitigation of AGW.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

“making new policies” there is the flaw in that reasoning. Mal can’t make new policies, he has to stick with the toxic policies left him by abbott. Not only that, some minor social issues aside (which he has already betrayed) Mal is just as RW as the loony toon far right in the Lib Party. That is why they need a massive defeat to get the message that they need to go back to the moderate right and formulate a sensible set of workable, attractive policies. These should include a Republic, liberal social policies, sensible economic policies including recognition of AGW and the need to turn to clean renewable energy plus adaptation and mitigation of AGW.

Keep crying monk. Not so jovial now, are you?

Crying? bwahahahaha! The sugar rush Mal got was tiny, and by accepting all Toxic Tony’s toxic policies he has condemned the Libs to losing the next election.

He gives Snot Morriscum the Treasury we won’t just go into economic recession we will enter an economic depression.

I think you are disappointed at the size of the sugar rush—all your wild talk of 56:44 etc—and are trying to cheer yourself up.

I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement.

It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that?

Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs.

The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month.

A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long.

Turncoat accepted all those policies in QTs this week.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement. It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that? Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs. The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month. A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long.

If it is premature to call victory then it is equally premature to call a mere 4 days as the end of the honeymoon. At this rate, the Coalition are COMFORTABLY in the lead and likely to extend it. Given the utter dross that Labor has on offer the chance of a fightback from them is nil.

I still predict a December early election with the off-chance of a Double Dissolution.

You guys are incredible trying to read anything out of very premature virtually meaningless polls.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement. It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that? Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs. The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month. A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. The policy portfolio has similar deadwood of unpopular policies such as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long. If it is premature to call victory then it is equally premature to call a mere 4 days as the end of the honeymoon.

Which I haven't done. It should be obvious that I'm more in the wait-and-see camp.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

At this rate, the Coalition are COMFORTABLY in the lead

51-49 on one poll and 50-50 on another is not a comfortable lead. That's hung Parliament territory.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

and likely to extend it.

There has been nothing so far to indicate this. Turnbull's already demonstrated weakness by retaining unpopular Coalition policies. If the Abbott-led Coalition's poor standing in the polls had a policy component to it, Turnbull's standing is not going to improve much, if at all.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

Given the utter dross that Labor has on offer the chance of a fightback from them is nil.

The two opinion polls that have come out have been 50-50 and a narrow Coalition lead of 51-49. It is far too early to be making predictions of this kind, and it has a distinct air of wishful thinking.

When Napthine replaced the disappointing Baillieu in Victoria, Napthine recorded a similar bounce in the polls. He got to 50-50 in the April 2013 Newspoll and was in front 51-49 in the June 2013 Newspoll. He lost the election.

It is rash to be making predictions in the honeymoon stage with Turnbull in the job less than a week. It would take two or three months before the polls settle down and we can be confident. Even Abbott retained a poll lead for two months before the polling went sour for the Coalition.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

I still predict a December early election with the off-chance of a Double Dissolution.

I don't know where you're getting this "still predicting a December election" rubbish from. You were predicting a July election two or three days ago.  :-?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:00am:

he should go to an election while he's on a sugar hit... otherwise, he's a dead duck..

Hehehehe this is the guy who a day ago was never going to vote Turnbull for knifing Abbott no matter what and within a day he's worried about Turnbull's back. Only took one day's exposure to the Daily Telegraph.   

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

You guys are incredible trying to read anything out of very premature virtually meaningless polls.

Agreed ... it's going to take maybe two months for the honeymoon glow to subside.

Everyone should wait and see.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

You guys are incredible trying to read anything out of very premature virtually meaningless polls.

If the Libs were still at 47/53 you would be calling them very meaningful, but because they are strongly in front, they are suddenly meaningless?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:24am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:18am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 7:15am: Quote: 27 per cent of Labor voters said they preferred Mr Turnbull as prime minister ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And every single one of them is going to have enough time to see him in action and work out how wrong they were. But Shorten has no charisma - Labor voters might turn to the Greens? Abbott had charisma ? There is a green with charisma ? People vote for charisma, no wonder we are not doing so well.

Like it or not -

face the fact

our system is presidential in nature.

You are forgiven

namaste

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:20pm: You guys are incredible trying to read anything out of very premature virtually meaningless polls. If the Libs were still at 47/53 you would be calling them very meaningful, but because they are strongly in front, they are suddenly meaningless?

I almost never comment on polls either way.

You think that this poll result is based on his performance on his first day in office ?

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: I cannot believe the amount of circlejerking from the Coalition supporters about one single opinion poll. In the week that Turnbull replaces the abysmal Abbott, of course the opinion polls are going to swing towards the Coalition. How could they not? Abbott was one of the worst Prime Ministers this country has ever seen and he had to go. The government was chaotic and dysfunctional with Abbott in charge and any change had to be an improvement. It is especially amusing how the usual suspects are predicting massive and unrealistic surges of support that is yet to occur. What's Turnbull going to do to earn that? Turnbull is enjoying a polling honeymoon, but all such polling honeymoons must come to an end. If Turnbull starts being a disappointment on policies, it's going to end sooner than one might expect. I would wait and see how Turnbull performs. The real test of Turnbull's leadership is how well he does in the next month. ch as university fee deregulation, making young people wait for income support without any evidence to back this up, the so-called "Direct Action" waste of money and other such nonsense. If Turnbull doesn't repudiate these crocked policies, the Abbott-Turnbull government isn't going to be in the lead for long. If it is premature to call victory then it is equally premature to call a mere 4 days as the end of the honeymoon. Which I haven't done. It should be obvious that I'm more in the wait-and-see camp. mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm: At this rate, the Coalition are COMFORTABLY in the lead 51-49 on one poll and 50-50 on another is not a comfortable lead. That's hung Parliament territory. mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm: and likely to extend it. There has been nothing so far to indicate this. Turnbull's already demonstrated weakness by retaining unpopular Coalition policies. If the Abbott-led Coalition's poor standing in the polls had a policy component to it, Turnbull's standing is not going to improve much, if at all. mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm: Given the utter dross that Labor has on offer the chance of a fightback from them is nil. The two opinion polls that have come out have been 50-50 and a narrow Coalition lead of 51-49. It is far too early to be making predictions of this kind, and it has a distinct air of wishful thinking. When Napthine replaced the disappointing Baillieu in Victoria, Napthine recorded a similar bounce in the polls. He got to 50-50 in the April 2013 Newspoll and was in front 51-49 in the June 2013 Newspoll. He lost the election. It is rash to be making predictions in the honeymoon stage with Turnbull in the job less than a week. It would take two or three months before the polls settle down and we can be confident. Even Abbott retained a poll lead for two months before the polling went sour for the Coalition. mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:11pm: I still predict a December early election with the off-chance of a Double Dissolution. I don't know where you're getting this "still predicting a December election" rubbish from. You were predicting a July election two or three days ago.  :-?

I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation.

The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more. Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people

This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down. Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48.

Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated. It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision. Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move.

51/49 is the best Labor will see this term.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation. The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more. Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down. Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48. Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated. It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision. Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move. 51/49 is the best Labor will see this term.

I am sure you must have got something in that mess right but I couldn't find it.

Looks like we have another 4 years of Libbo government.

Shorty can't win now.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:30pm: I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation. The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more. Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down. Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48. Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated. It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision. Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move. 51/49 is the best Labor will see this term. I am sure you must have got something in that mess right but I couldn't find it.

That would be because you only use one eye and it is clouded in depression from the massive Liberal vote increase. And worse for you still is that you know Shorten is a dud's dud and the worst is still to come.

;D ;D ;D ;D


At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys.

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys.

Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here?

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys.

And Turncoat accepted all the loony far right policies and gave water to the Nats! The economy is in recession, wage earners are slipping behind inflation meaning lower standard of living and the RBA foolishly cut interest rates to 2% so they are powerless as the economy deteriorates further. Different head, same stinking corpse.

Nothing there to give a long term boost to the Libs. Labor can run on debt and deficit, jobs and growth  :D ;D

It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here?

No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:30pm: I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation. The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more. Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down. Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48. Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated. It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision. Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move. 51/49 is the best Labor will see this term. I am sure you must have got something in that mess right but I couldn't find it. That would be because you only use one eye and it is clouded in depression from the massive Liberal vote increase. And worse for you still is that you know Shorten is a dud's dud and the worst is still to come.

The more you try to take out of a poll based on nothing that means nothing the more you credibility will suffer.

That would be because you only use one eye and it is clouded in depression


Gee, then I wonder why my comments look balanced and reasonable and yours don't.

And longy just has sooooo much credibility to burn  :D

Considering the mess the shambles has made of the economy and just about everything else it takes a lot of chutzpah to call the Labor front bench lacklustre.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy.

So how bad does that make Abbott? He has been behind in the polls for months.
But he was the worst PM of all time.

I have to admit that I have been caught up in the euphoria of the ousting of Tony Abbott. I would vote for a Liberal Government under Turnbull with his more centralist and "small l" liberal policies.

I Watch with interest how the right wing conservative side of the Coalition react however and I already notice that the Murdoch press have turned against Turnbull.

These are interesting times

I see the sniping war over a useless piece of ground continues... on a brighter note - Easts beat Canterbury last night...

I'll wait to see how Turnbull turns out before judging... but I can still safely say I will not be voting either Labor or Liberal..... not a shred of genuine vision and leadership there...

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation.

December 2015 and December 2016 are both valid months in which the next election can be called.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy.

That's a very biased assessment. Shorten was smashing Abbott in the polls and Turnbull has only managed to draw even. If Shorten was a bad leader his party would not have been able to do this.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more.

Liberal party circlejerking in action. What happened since then? The polls blew out and Abbott got knifed.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people

Yet he totally OWNED Abbott. Shorten must have something going for him if he was able to force the Liberals to knife their PM.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down.

Weasel words ... you're just lying here. If this were true, why was Abbott sacked?


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48.

There hasn't been a 52-48 poll yet with the Coalition in front.  :-?


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated.

Wishful thinking! Turnbull has already been a disappointment by not repudiating the Abbott government's more unpopular policies. If you think policies have no influence on the polls, you're deluding yourself.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision.

More weasel words.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move.

Geez you can spew crap at times. Do you really think policies have no influence on voters?

Something that's actually grounded in reality: It's the honeymoon period after a change of leader when people are hopeful. As the new leader fails to meet everyone's expectations, their polling ALWAYS declines by a few points. I expect Turnbull's polling to follow a similar trajectory to the Victorian Liberals after they changed leader in 2013 - a honeymoon period of a few months, followed by a steady decline to an election-losing position. Labor will be back to 52-48 by Christmas.

Turnbull has recorded low net approval before, when he was Opposition leader in 2009. There's nothing to suggest he won't do so again.


mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

51/49 is the best Labor will see this term.

A very bold assessment considering that there's already been a 50-50 poll in the honeymoon period.  ::)  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Looks like we have another 4 years of Libbo government. Shorty can't win now.

It's too early to say for sure. Wait a few months.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:46pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:30pm: I was predicting either a July or December election which would be why the forum loons jumped on the fact I said December and not December 2015  - as if there was an alternative interpretation. The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. When the polls hit 49/51 some months ago there was a lot of excitement in Liberal circles (at least in Sydney and in my branch) because everyone knew that in an actual election we could bump our polls at least 2% very quickly in a campaign. Or more. Shorten is a horrid communicator and generally loathed by everyone including labor people This is not an Andrews Opposition. This is the weakest and most compromised labor opposition in many decades. It was privately assessed that evenAbbott could beat them from 48-52 down. Turnbull would eat Shorten alive from there, except he would be starting the other way - around 52-48. Yes, it is early days yet, but the honeymoon bounce is more than mere sugar-rush as some have stated. It has long been acknowledged (if not openly) that there were a lot of people just looking for a reason to dump Labor and Tony was an impediment to that decision. Now he is gone, some have already jumped over and we believe privately that there are a great number more waiting to jump still.  All Turnbull has to do is to do well and not stuff up and there are droves of labor voters ready to move. 51/49 is the best Labor will see this term. I am sure you must have got something in that mess right but I couldn't find it. That would be because you only use one eye

That is hypocritical considering you ALWAYS push the pro-Liberal view. Always.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

And longy just has sooooo much credibility to burn  :D Considering the mess the shambles has made of the economy and just about everything else it takes a lot of chutzpah to call the Labor front bench lacklustre.

::) ::) longy is still coming to grips with the fact turd-net wasn't even liked by its charming merchant!

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:05am: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here? No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet.

The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why?

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 4:30pm: The difference between Victoria and the Federal sphere is that Shorten is arguably the worst labor leader of all time leading a very low quality front bench and hamstrung with guaranteed vote-losing policies such as a new Carbon Tax and their rather obvious wishy-washy Boat People policy. So how bad does that make Abbott? He has been behind in the polls for months. But he was the worst PM of all time. I have to admit that I have been caught up in the euphoria of the ousting of Tony Abbott. I would vote for a Liberal Government under Turnbull with his more centralist and "small l" liberal policies. I Watch with interest how the right wing conservative side of the Coalition react however and I already notice that the Murdoch press have turned against Turnbull. These are interesting times

Oh no!!!! first we have Campbell Newman then Tony Abbott assassinated by the media, now they're on Malcolm's case.

This is all happening with a media blackout, imagine.....no don't imagine if we didn't have one.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 11:04am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:05am: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here? No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet. The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why?

Just another rogue poll...   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

stunspore wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman.

These will be important factors in the next election:

1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them.
2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed.
3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here.

What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like.

The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign.

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

stunspore wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:28am: It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman. These will be important factors in the next election: 1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them. 2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed. 3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here. What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like. The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign.

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters.

The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm.

Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster.

The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that.

Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 11:04am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:05am: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here? No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet. The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why?

The only people supporting the polls are Idiots, I wonder why ?

Or maybe it is mainly because the polls are based on nothing and are very premature.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:13pm: stunspore wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:28am: It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman. These will be important factors in the next election: 1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them. 2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed. 3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here. What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like. The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign. Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters. The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm. Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster. The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that. Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

What a load of rubbish!

The voters want meaningful action on climate change and have rejected the Coalition's half-arsed effort. Your assertion that voters don't want a carbon tax is baseless. Last month, Essential Vision asked whether Australia is doing enough to combat climate change. A majority of respondents (53%) said we're not doing enough as opposed to only 7% who said we're doing too much. 24% said we're doing enough and 16% didn't know. That is a clear rejection of Coalition policy.

You're massively overstating the case for "boats". Voters worry more about their own jobs, whether they can pay the bills and so on. The economy is moribund and likely to slip into recession. If that happens, the Coalition are going to get hammered. The refugee crisis in Europe is shifting voters' views on the issue and they're more likely to favour a more humane policy rather than the frothy-mouthed far-right ratbaggery that the Coalition have foised upon an unwilling public.

And the most ludicrous part of your post is the assertion: "Libs to win with little to no loss of seats." With a moribund economy, massive blow-out in debt and deficit, a long list of broken promises and deeply unpopular policies? When voters see that Turnbull's keeping the same crap policies as Abbott, the slender poll lead won't last.

Longy, why do you post this crap?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 11:04am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:05am: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here? No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet. The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why? The only people supporting the polls are Idiots, I wonder why ? Or maybe it is mainly because the polls are based on nothing and are very premature.

The polls themselves are not premature. What is premature are predictions based on those polls. The polling honeymoon is a valid story in itself, even if polls taken during that time have little real predictive value for the next election.

The opinion polls will take a few months to settle down.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters. The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm. Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster. The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that. Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

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Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor.

There is no plan for any carbon tax unfortunately, except for the Liberal no-action tax that is.


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Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.

The disgraceful truth is that Labor is no better than the Liberals and the policy is about the same.


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Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster.

Hasn't improved - no it got a lot worse for no real reason. The Libs have shown us what an economic disaster really looks like. Labor in comparison produced good economic policies and results.


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The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible.

You do know that Turncoat has already committed to run full term. Do you believe that all Liberal leaders are dishonest ?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here?

Yep.  This is his dead cat bounce, Turncoats was a dud the first attempt and he's a dud now. Wishing it so isn't going to make him a hit with the punters. Unless he changes policies (which he won't do for fear of being ousted again like he was the last time around) he'll fail.

Can you name any economists who say the worst is behind us, or did you just make that up, again. I asked once before and got crickets. Growth in the last quarter was zero so the economy is still slowing.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 11:04am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:05am: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:00am: ;D ;D ;D ;D At this stage, it looks like this is as good as it's going to get for the libs .... all downhill from here on. Unless Turncoat starts to change some of the policies it won't matter who's leads the monkeys. Your ignorance on pretty much every topic is entertaining. 4 days into his reign and you think it is all downhill from here? No different to you trying to read anything into polls taken before he even took office or made a decision, none of us will have much idea for at least a few months yet. The only people rejecting the polls are labor supporters. I wonder why?

WHo is rejecting polls? Can you show me an example?

Poor Longy expected 56:44  :D

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:13pm: stunspore wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:28am: It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman. These will be important factors in the next election: 1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them. 2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed. 3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here. What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like. The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign. Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters. The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm. Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster. The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that. Libs to win with little to no loss of seats.

;D ;D ;D ;D

I think someone overdosed on stupid pills this morning  ;D ;D

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:13pm: stunspore wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:28am: It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman. These will be important factors in the next election: 1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them. 2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed. 3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here. What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like. The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign. Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters. The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm. Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster. The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that. Libs to win with little to no loss of seats. What a load of rubbish! The voters want meaningful action on climate change and have rejected the Coalition's half-arsed effort. Your assertion that voters don't want a carbon tax is baseless. Last month, Essential Vision asked whether Australia is doing enough to combat climate change. A majority of respondents (53%) said we're not doing enough as opposed to only 7% who said we're doing too much. 24% said we're doing enough and 16% didn't know. That is a clear rejection of Coalition policy. You're massively overstating the case for "boats". Voters worry more about their own jobs, whether they can pay the bills and so on. The economy is moribund and likely to slip into recession. If that happens, the Coalition are going to get hammered. The refugee crisis in Europe is shifting voters' views on the issue and they're more likely to favour a more humane policy rather than the frothy-mouthed far-right ratbaggery that the Coalition have foised upon an unwilling public. And the most ludicrous part of your post is the assertion: "Libs to win with little to no loss of seats." With a moribund economy, massive blow-out in debt and deficit, a long list of broken promises and deeply unpopular policies? When voters see that Turnbull's keeping the same crap policies as Abbott, the slender poll lead won't last. Longy, why do you post this crap?

That is neither clear nor a rejection of anything whatsoever. Asking motherhood type questions elicit the answers you want. Now get them to run a survey on whether or not they want a carbon tax and see how that works out. This is the classic climate change faux survey methodology: ask a question that most will agree with and then reinterpret the question to mean something entirely different - which is EXACTLY what you have done.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one

you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year.


At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government.

But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing-for-carbon-pricing-laws-20140622-zsi40.html



I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it.  :D :D :D

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 3:55pm: Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year. At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government. But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing-for-carbon-pricing-laws-20140622-zsi40.html I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it.  :D :D :D

And only 34% supported it. Now you ask the question about the other 36%.  Well, clever people do, you probably would not.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 6:58am:

First poll AP has posted in 16 months ? I would think that at this point any poll is meaningless.

I am surprised and even dismayed he even thinks POLLS are worthy... especially on here... I have never used one..

to think this country is now being driven by POLLS.. we have got to be the laughing stock...

we are only one step away from Warlords taking over the country...do they really think we believe them when they blame the POLLS for their vile deeds... assassination is assassination..they had been plotting and planning for weeks if not months.. well we know both krudd and turncoat waited in the wings licking their wounds waiting to pounce....for all we know turdballs and bishop were the leaks.. just like we know krudd was, on gillards watch......disgusting.. they are not people I want running my govt...

and I dont want POLLS to run it either.. >:( >:( >:(

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 4:14pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 3:55pm: Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one you just keep making crap up don't you? Can you just once try to get your facts straight? This is the last poll I could find on the subject. Taken July last year. At the same time the percentage of Australians who supported the carbon price rose six per cent, to 34 per cent, over the past year. It is the first rise in support under the Climate Institute poll since the laws were first introduced by the Gillard government. But more people were indifferent than supportive or opposed, with 36 per cent of people saying they neither agreed nor disagreed with the laws http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poll-finds-support-growing-for-carbon-pricing-laws-20140622-zsi40.html I'm not a mathematical genius like you mariastupidone, but by my count, that means only 30% of people are actually opposed to it.  :D :D :D And only 34% supported it. Now you ask the question about the other 36%.  Well, clever people do, you probably would not.

What are you rambling on about? 36% are indifferent. That doesn't mean they oppose it. it means they don't care enough for it to influence their vote.  Your original statement was that most people OPPOSE the carbon tax, I've proven that most people in fact do not oppose the carbon tax, now be a good girl and stop making up crap.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 2:51pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 1:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 12:13pm: stunspore wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 10:28am: It doesn't matter to me if lib or lab win as long as it benefits australia as a whole - sadly that can be pretty subjective opinion.  I have voted lib before.  Sadly at this stage, Turnbull has yet to differentiate from Abbott any policies so far.  Selling the same stuff but different salesman. These will be important factors in the next election: 1. The economy. If the economy doesn't improve substantially in the next 12 months the Liberals are gone no matter who is leading them. 2. Policies. About time. I'm sick of elections where one side goes into the election with most of their policies concealed. 3. Debt and deficit. Neither side has a good recent record here. What Australia needs most is an improvement in the economy, and we need to see policies that will bring that about. Austerity in bad times does not work. It never has. We need to see an increase in government spending to stave off recession. This should be temporary investments in growth - construction of infrastructure, temporary support for new industries and the like. The last quarter had a growth rate of 0.2% with the private sector contracting. That's not a good sign. Despite what you want to think, the idea of a new carbon tax will also be a huge factor. The voters don't want one. Labor's boat people policy will come under scrutiny and few believe that the boats wont start again under labor.  These two a massive issues for voters. The economy will of course be under discussion. Most people are unhappy that the economy hasnt improved as expected, but it is only a few short years since the Labor Disaster. Most will be unwilling to risk Labor again so soon after that mess, especially with Shorten at the helm. Personality of the leaders will always be important. I would put almost any member of the Liberal front bench and half of the backbench up against Shorten and expect to win in this measure. The man is an absolute disaster. The next growth figures will be important. If they are slightly negative (which is possible) then an election this year is off the table, but if it is positive then it is still possible. Economists however have stated that they think the worse of the economic decline is behind us and anecdotal evidence from some business supports that. Libs to win with little to no loss of seats. What a load of rubbish! The voters want meaningful action on climate change and have rejected the Coalition's half-arsed effort. Your assertion that voters don't want a carbon tax is baseless. Last month, Essential Vision asked whether Australia is doing enough to combat climate change. A majority of respondents (53%) said we're not doing enough as opposed to only 7% who said we're doing too much. 24% said we're doing enough and 16% didn't know. That is a clear rejection of Coalition policy. You're massively overstating the case for "boats". Voters worry more about their own jobs, whether they can pay the bills and so on. The economy is moribund and likely to slip into recession. If that happens, the Coalition are going to get hammered. The refugee crisis in Europe is shifting voters' views on the issue and they're more likely to favour a more humane policy rather than the frothy-mouthed far-right ratbaggery that the Coalition have foised upon an unwilling public. And the most ludicrous part of your post is the assertion: "Libs to win with little to no loss of seats." With a moribund economy, massive blow-out in debt and deficit, a long list of broken promises and deeply unpopular policies? When voters see that Turnbull's keeping the same crap policies as Abbott, the slender poll lead won't last. Longy, why do you post this crap? That is neither clear nor a rejection of anything whatsoever. Asking motherhood type questions elicit the answers you want. Now get them to run a survey on whether or not they want a carbon tax and see how that works out. This is the classic climate change faux survey methodology: ask a question that most will agree with and then reinterpret the question to mean something entirely different - which is EXACTLY what you have done.

What have you done? Just posted crap with NOTHING WHATSOEVER to back it up. Like you ALWAYS do. Calling Labor's policy a "carbon tax" is a deliberate misrepresentation. Labor's policy is to introduce a market-based ETS. Calling it a "tax" is a lie. Why do you lie so much?

Bam wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Why do you lie so much?

she's a lib .. it's genetic

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Looks like we have another 4 years of Libbo government. Shorty can't win now.

The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is. -- Yoda

Longy STILL crapping on about the economy in recovery mode according to economists without linking a single article or naming ONE economist supporting that?

Zero growth last quarter except for govt defense spending is NOT a sign the economy is recovering.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

Dutton - not dumped.
Andrews - dumped.
Hockey - dumped.
Pyne - did not get Defence.

I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance?

Bam wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance?

There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely


That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable)

Pyne and Innovation  :D :D :D

Howard got one thing right—he couldn’t stand Pyne.

Some surprises in Cabinet, but we will see how it all works out. Certainly the view of the electorate will be important.

Bam wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely.

Oh, I dunno.

Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen.


http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 9:37am:

Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg

You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 9:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement.

You appear to be deluded.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement. You appear to be deluded.

It is a very obvious assessment based on the way you talk about anyone in power. it is 'small man syndrome'.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 10:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:54am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement. You appear to be deluded. It is a very obvious assessment based on the way you talk about anyone in power. it is 'small man syndrome'.

not as obvious as his assessment of you!

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 8:40am:

Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable)

A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence.

Bam wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence.

Envy appears to be one of your major motivations. Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:51pm:

Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane.

was that the taxpayer funded plane ride from Gina's business partners grand daughters wedding?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:51pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence. Envy appears to be one of your major motivations. Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane.

I see you're waving the white flag again. I accept your surrender.

Bam wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:51pm: Bam wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence. Envy appears to be one of your major motivations. Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane. I see you're waving the white flag again. I accept your surrender.

That's your debating style? You showed promise when I first arrived, but you are now very clearly not much of a debater.

Pyne is an enigma.

A few years ago, well maybe 10, I thought he might be PM material.

For some reason I think he'll do well in his new ministry, especially if he is free from ideological constraints which I think was a VERY LARGE part of his brief in education & therefore his "Failure" in that department.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:58pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:51pm: Bam wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence. Envy appears to be one of your major motivations. Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane. I see you're waving the white flag again. I accept your surrender. That's your debating style? You showed promise when I first arrived, but you are now very clearly not much of a debater.

and you are?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

continually making up facts that get proven wrong is not a 'debating style' , it's an embarrassment

mariacostel wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 10:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:54am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement. You appear to be deluded. It is a very obvious assessment based on the way you talk about anyone in power. it is 'small man syndrome'.

You are delusional, Longy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:54am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement. You appear to be deluded. It is a very obvious assessment based on the way you talk about anyone in power. it is 'small man syndrome'. You are delusional, Longy.

And you are still acting very small. You have never come up with a substantive post yet.

Bam wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence.

Not sure it is any more inappropriate than Education or innovation ?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

And you are still acting very small. You have never come up with a substantive post yet.

Compared to the substance in your month long insultathon ?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 2:34pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 10:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:54am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 9:37am: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Oh, I dunno. Pyne would probably enjoy working with seamen. http://www.pcbycp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Christopher-Pyne.jpg You appear to have some major envy problems with men and women of power and acheivement. You appear to be deluded. It is a very obvious assessment based on the way you talk about anyone in power. it is 'small man syndrome'. You are delusional, Longy. And you are still acting very small. You have never come up with a substantive post yet.

Seek help for your delusions, Longy.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 3:29pm: And you are still acting very small. You have never come up with a substantive post yet. Compared to the substance in your month long insultathon ?

Then show me three substantive posts from Greg in the last month.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 3:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 3:29pm: And you are still acting very small. You have never come up with a substantive post yet. Compared to the substance in your month long insultathon ? Then show me three substantive posts from Greg in the last month.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Seek help for your delusions, Longy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

You are delusional, Longy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Seek help for your delusions, Longy.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence. Not sure it is any more inappropriate than Education or innovation ?

He should have been Minister for Women.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:58pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 22nd, 2015 at 12:51pm: Bam wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 2:09pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 8:40am: Bam wrote on Sep 20th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Bam wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 1:36pm: A Cabinet reshuffle will be announced next week. He's doing well if he has the courage to dump deadwood Ministers such as Dutton and Kevin Andrews, and Hockey is removed from any financial portfolio. His choices have to be sensible though. There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely. Dutton - not dumped. Andrews - dumped. Hockey - dumped. Pyne - did not get Defence. I got 3 out of 4 right ... not too bad. Surprised that Dutton didn't get shuffled, after his recent gaffe one would have thought he was doomed. He even offered to resign. Why didn't Turnbull take this chance? There was talk of putting Pyne into the Defence portfolio; that's such a poor fit that I consider that unlikely That is hardly a fair bet, name a portfolio where he would be suited ? He came from Education (fail - badly unsuited) defence no option (unsuited) they gave him Industry, Innovation and Science. There are pulling our leg right, they could not be serious could they ? (unbelievable) A difficult question, but I cannot think of a portfolio less suited to being run by the Mincing Poodle than Defence. Envy appears to be one of your major motivations. Pyne has accomplished more than you while travelling on a plane. I see you're waving the white flag again. I accept your surrender. That's your debating style? You showed promise when I first arrived, but you are now very clearly not much of a debater.

We've known that you were totally incapable of sustaining an argument almost from your first day. You insult other posters regularly (which is a bannable offence), indulge in hypocrisy, make up your own facts and tell lies, hardly ever provide links when asked to do so, frequently resort to fallacies and use other poor debating techniques. We had you fingered as longy's sock weeks ago.

And your latest method of stopping discussion is one of the most spectacularly stupid attempts I have ever seen. Why do you even bother?

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We had you fingered as longy's sock weeks ago.

In my case, I 'fingered' it within the first few posts, and I said so at the time.