Gun Control Australia refused to answer how many members they had at the recent senate inquiry, according to their facebook page they have around 500 supporters.
www.guncontrolaustralia.org

They tell quite a few lies on that website,here are 2 lies to begin with.
1.Those subject to AVO can still get access to their firearms.
2.Licences are no longer revoked for good behaviour bonds.

Quote:

11.general restrictions on issue of licences (5) A licence must not be issued to a person who: (c) is subject to an AVO or who has at any time within 10 years before the application was made,been subject to such an order. (d) is subject to a good behaviour bond,whether entered into in NSW or elsewhere www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/act+46+1996+cd+0+N

If your licence is revoked due to AVO or good behaviour bond the Police know what guns you have and confiscate them.
You can surrender your guns to a firearms dealer before licence is revoked for them to sell,the dealer informs the firearm registry they have taken legal possession and ownership of firearms.
When the guns have been surrendered to a dealer for sale you need a Permit to Acquire issued by the Police before the gun dealer will return your guns.

Roland Browne from Gun Control Australia was told he had a profound level of ignorance with gun laws at the recent senate inquiry.

Why do you keep assuming that the laws of NSW are the be all and end all of Gun Legislation?

Why do you assume that a website is up to date?

Do you really want to compare the lies the gun nuts have told over the years with what the gun grabbers claim?    Remember, we're supposed to have had streets running with blood, revolution, invasion and criminals murdering us in our beds according to your lot Baron!!!!!     ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

Why do you keep assuming that the laws of NSW are the be all and end all of Gun Legislation?

The laws on revoking firearm licences for good behaviour bonds and AVO's come from the Firearms act 1996.

All states in Australia revoke firearm licences for AVO's and good behaviour bonds.

The Greens want to reduce the time from 10 years to 5 years if subject to an AVO, the Liberal Democrats who have a reasonable gun policy say you should never have a firearm licence if you have been subjected to an AVO.

Petition to stop hate speech and vilification of law abiding firearm owners by gun control Australia.

change.org/p/australian-human-rights-commission-stop-the-vilification-and-hate-speech-by-gun-control-australia

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 1:03pm: Why do you keep assuming that the laws of NSW are the be all and end all of Gun Legislation? The laws on revoking firearm licences for good behaviour bonds and AVO's come from the Firearms act 1996.

Actually, it comes from the CRIMES (DOMESTIC AND PERSONAL VIOLENCE) ACT 2007  Legislation created in 2007, Baron.   ::)

Good article refuting the lies from the profoundly ignorant hoplphobes at gun control Australia.

oneshotaustralia.com/the-wall-of-shame

The GCA facebook page has a picture of Green senator David Shoebridge in a photo with Mon Monis at the anti gun rally in Martin Place 1 week before the Lindt siege.

www.facebook.com/Gun-Control-Australia-692563310760109/timeline

The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia-
facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599

Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility.

They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia- facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599 Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility. They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros

Way to go, George!    [smiley=beer.gif]

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:10am: The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia- facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599 Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility. They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros Way to go, George!    [smiley=beer.gif]

So you approve of American billionaires financing people to spread lies and bullshit?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:19am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:10am: The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia- facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599 Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility. They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros Way to go, George!    [smiley=beer.gif] So you approve of American billionaires financing people to spread lies and bullshit?

If it gets guns out of the hands of people like you, then I support George all the way.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:19am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:10am: The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia- facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599 Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility. They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros Way to go, George!    [smiley=beer.gif] So you approve of American billionaires financing people to spread lies and bullshit? If it gets guns out of the hands of people like you, then I support George all the way.

You should seek professional help for your Hoplophobia peccahead.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:36pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 2:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:19am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:10am: The Sporting Shooters association on the lies and bullshit from Samantha Lee at Gun Control Australia- facebook.com/ssaavic/videos/899110916866599 Gun Control Australia have been caught red handed telling lots of lies, they have no credibility. They are financed by the American hoplophobe George Soros Way to go, George!    [smiley=beer.gif] So you approve of American billionaires financing people to spread lies and bullshit? If it gets guns out of the hands of people like you, then I support George all the way. You should seek professional help for your Hoplophobia peccahead.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3609819952/e4366288a9e5fba467e0b67f4f716f31_400x400.png

Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.

Criminals, by nature, have and always will have access to guns.

The buy back was an abject failure, Oh we have had no more Port Arthurs, that's a given, but we didn't have any before Port Arthur, did we?

And is it not better to teach safe and responsible gun use, rather than prohibiting guns so that when a kid gets his hands on one he has no training or common sense.

It would be like not teaching someone the road rules and how to drive and then them getting a car.

PS
I don't like guns at all.
It takes no skill or training to kill or seriously injure someone with a gun and if some moron gets one he can be seriously dangerous.
But, prohibition, legislation and demonizing something does not eliminate the cause, just the symptom.   

Valkie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:39am:

Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.

No.

But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing.

In what way exactly?

Feel free to not use any hysterical irrational reasons for your answer. It's gonna be tough for you I know.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly?

"Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year."

Innocents Lost

Unlike you, I care about innocent children being killed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly? "Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year." Innocents Lost Unlike you, I care about innocent children being killed.

So you believe that a law enacted in Australia that does nothing to prevent gun crime, but removes guns from the general population in Australia is good, because it prevents children being shot in the United States of America.

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BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:52am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly? "Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year." Innocents Lost Unlike you, I care about innocent children being killed. So you believe that a law enacted in Australia that does nothing to prevent gun crime, but removes guns from the general population in Australia is good, because it prevents children being shot in the United States of America.

Less guns in Australia will reduce the risk of innocent children being accidentally shot in Australia.

The US stats were used as an example of what can happen.

If you need further clarification, just let me know.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly?

Less guns in any society (in any country), will mean a reduced chance of children being accidentally shot and killed.

"Three-year-old Alabama boy fatally shoots his nine-year-old sister in the head with pistol he found on grandfather's bedroom nightstand" Link

The same thing can happen, in any country where guns are available to the general public.

I care about children.  You obviously don't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:56am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:52am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly? "Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year." Innocents Lost Unlike you, I care about innocent children being killed. So you believe that a law enacted in Australia that does nothing to prevent gun crime, but removes guns from the general population in Australia is good, because it prevents children being shot in the United States of America. Less guns in Australia will reduce the risk of innocent children being accidentally shot in Australia. The US stats were used as an example of what can happen. If you need further clarification, just let me know.

The US stats are an example of what can and does happen in the US, please supply any actual evidence to support this or any other claim about this country and its gun owners, you dolt.

I did mention to not make any hysterical claims when trying to explain your stupid comment, didn't I?

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BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

The US stats are an example of what can and does happen in the US.

The US stats are proof of what happens in the US.

However, they also serve as an example of what could happen in any other country where guns are in the hands of the general population.

I care about the death of innocent children.  You don't.

In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total

2014: 3
2013: 3
2012: 3
2011: 7
2010: 11
2009: 7
2008: 5
2007: 4
2006: 8
2005: 50
2004: 54
2003: 40
2002: 30
2001: 18
2000: 45
1999: 28
1998: 22
1997: 19
1996: 30
1995: 15
1994: 20
1993: 18
1992: 24
1991: 29
1990: 30
1989: 19
1988: 30  Link

Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns.

Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing.

I care about innocent people dying.  You don't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:39am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am: The US stats are an example of what can and does happen in the US. The US stats are proof of what happens in the US. However, they also serve as an example of what could happen in any other country where guns are in the hands of the general population. I care about the death of innocent children.  You don't.

Fkkk you must really hate cars and swimming pools, or aren't those kids innocent enough for you.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30  Link Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns. Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing. I care about innocent people dying.  You don't.

Of the 3 people from 2 years ago how many of those 3 were children?

Because it is really about the children isn't it?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 9:32am: Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 6:39am: Taking guns from honest law abiding citizens does not remove gun crime.  No. But it does remove guns from the general population, and that's a good thing. In what way exactly? "Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under were accidentally shot and killed each year." Innocents Lost Unlike you, I care about innocent children being killed.

Bulldust!

You care about winning an argument with your illogical lack of reason, you couldn't give a cr@p about anybody but yourself.

Legal gun ownership very rarely causes a problem, and when it does its by accident or theft, the latter of which would make the thief in possession of an ILLEGAL gun.

Illegal guns will continue to be the problem NOT LEGAL gun ownership.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:45am: In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30  Link Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns. Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing. I care about innocent people dying.  You don't. Of the 3 people from 2 years ago how many of those 3 were children? Because it is really about the children isn't it?

I'm concerned about any innocent person killed by a gun.

You: not so much.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:45am: In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30  Link Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns. Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing. I care about innocent people dying.  You don't. Of the 3 people from 2 years ago how many of those 3 were children? Because it is really about the children isn't it? I'm concerned about myself only.

Fixed.

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:45am: In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30  Link Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns. Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing. I care about innocent people dying.  You don't. Of the 3 people from 2 years ago how many of those 3 were children? Because it is really about the children isn't it? I'm concerned about myself only. Fixed.

Reported.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

Fuzzball wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:53am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:45am: In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30  Link Innocent people dying, because of accidents with guns. Anything that will minimise the risk is a good thing. I care about innocent people dying.  You don't. Of the 3 people from 2 years ago how many of those 3 were children? Because it is really about the children isn't it? I'm concerned about myself only. Fixed. Reported.

Whoopee!!!

"In Asheboro, North Carolina, a 26-year-old mother was cleaning her home when she heard a gunshot. Rushing into the living room, she discovered that her three-year-old son had accidentally shot her boyfriend’s three-year-old daughter with a .22-caliber rifle the parents had left in the room, loaded and unlocked."

Legal gun owners.

This could happen in Australia, or anywhere where guns are in the hands of the general population.

Some people care about innocent children (and adults) - some don't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:02pm:

"In Asheboro, North Carolina, a 26-year-old mother was cleaning her home when she heard a gunshot. Rushing into the living room, she discovered that her three-year-old son had accidentally shot her boyfriend’s three-year-old daughter with a .22-caliber rifle the parents had left in the room, loaded and unlocked." Legal gun owners. This could happen in Australia, or anywhere where guns are in the hands of the general population. Some people care about innocent children (and adults) - some don't.

That would be people like you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:02pm:

"In Asheboro, North Carolina, a 26-year-old mother was cleaning her home when she heard a gunshot. Rushing into the living room, she discovered that her three-year-old son had accidentally shot her boyfriend’s three-year-old daughter with a .22-caliber rifle the parents had left in the room, loaded and unlocked." Legal gun owners. This could happen in Australia, or anywhere where guns are in the hands of the general population. Some people care about innocent children (and adults) - some don't.

My god you are so gay, it makes me weep.


What a load of horse sh1t, there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia, you have used nothing more than  emotion and hysteria and expected everyone else to wonder at the size of your Mangina.  ;D ;D ;D

Run away little girl you are too pathetic for the real world

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia,

Australian facts:

"In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total

2014: 3
2013: 3
2012: 3
2011: 7
2010: 11
2009: 7
2008: 5
2007: 4
2006: 8
2005: 50
2004: 54
2003: 40
2002: 30
2001: 18
2000: 45
1999: 28
1998: 22
1997: 19
1996: 30
1995: 15
1994: 20
1993: 18
1992: 24
1991: 29
1990: 30
1989: 19
1988: 30"     Link

Innocent people, accidentally killed by guns.

I care about these people - you don't.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:39am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am: The US stats are an example of what can and does happen in the US. The US stats are proof of what happens in the US. However, they also serve as an example of what could happen in any other country where guns are in the hands of the general population. I care about the death of innocent children.  You don't. Fkkk you must really hate cars and swimming pools, or aren't those kids innocent enough for you.

Cars are not designed to be a weapon.

Swimming pools are not designed to be a weapon.

Any other examples you'd like me to shoot down (pardon the pun)?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:10pm: there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia, Australian facts: "In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30"     Link Innocent people, accidentally killed by guns. I care about these people - you don't.

First it was about the children now it is anyone, well 3 people to be exact, wasn't any of the three the right age.


You must really lose your sh1t when you read about road accidents and workplace accident stats, or is that a more acceptable way to kill innocent people.


Like I said and will continue to say, you are pathetic.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:39am: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am: The US stats are an example of what can and does happen in the US. The US stats are proof of what happens in the US. However, they also serve as an example of what could happen in any other country where guns are in the hands of the general population. I care about the death of innocent children.  You don't. Fkkk you must really hate cars and swimming pools, or aren't those kids innocent enough for you. Cars are not designed to be a weapon. Swimming pools are not designed to be a weapon. Any other examples you'd like me to shoot down (pardon the pun)?

So those deaths are ok are they?

And how do know that in the hundreds and thousands of 'innocent' deaths not in one occasion that a car or the pool was used as a weapon?

Your gay arguments are no match for my or anyone else's logic

In the right hands everything is a weapon

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

First it was about the children now it is anyone, well 3 people to be exact, wasn't any of the three the right age.

One accidental death is one too many (there's a lot more than three in that list I provided).

I care about the innocent people dying as a result of gun accidents - you don't.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

And how do know that in the hundreds and thousands of 'innocent' deaths not in one occasion that a car or the pool was used as a weapon?

Anything can be used as a weapon.

As I said: "Cars are not designed to be a weapon; Swimming pools are not designed to be a weapon."

I care about people being accidentally killed by guns - you don't.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

You must really lose your sh1t when you read about road accidents and workplace accident stats

Cars are not designed to be weapons.

Workplace accidents are not caused by tools, for example, which are designed to be weapons.

I care about innocent people accidentally killed by guns - you don't.

Reducing the number of guns (i.e. things designed primarily as a weapon) in society, reduces the risk.

I'm all about minimising risk - you're about playing with your toys.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:35pm: And how do know that in the hundreds and thousands of 'innocent' deaths not in one occasion that a car or the pool was used as a weapon? Anything can be used as a weapon. As I said: "Cars are not designed to be a weapon; Swimming pools are not designed to be a weapon." I care about people being accidentally killed by guns - you don't.

Now you're adding/engineering your statements to suit your illogical opinions.

First "anybody killed by guns"

Then it was "children killed by guns"

Now it's "accidentally killed by guns"

Keep going, you may get it right. I won't hold my breath though.

"About two-thirds of these unintended deaths — 65 percent — took place in a home or vehicle that belonged to the victim’s family, most often with guns that were legally owned but not secured." Link

And the same thing could happen in Australia.

Less guns will reduce the risk.

"Two-thirds of incidents involved legally owned guns, whereas 16 percent of incidents involved unlawfully owned guns. (In another 17 percent of cases, the legality of gun ownership could not be confirmed.)"

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:02pm:

"In Asheboro, North Carolina, a 26-year-old mother was cleaning her home when she heard a gunshot. Rushing into the living room, she discovered that her three-year-old son had accidentally shot her boyfriend’s three-year-old daughter with a .22-caliber rifle the parents had left in the room, loaded and unlocked." Legal gun owners. This could happen in Australia, or anywhere where guns are in the hands of the general population. Some people care about innocent children (and adults) - some don't.

It's against the law to leave a loaded gun where kids can access it in the USA, the woman who was shot by her son in Florida was charged.

If a kid got his hands on a loaded gun in Australia then safe storage regulations are not being followed and the registered owner will be charged, of course criminals don't follow safe storage regs with their illegal guns in Australia, how many criminals own gun safes?

Far more kids die by drowning or transport accidents in the USA yet hoplophobes like little pecca don't care about them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

"Two-thirds of incidents involved legally owned guns, whereas 16 percent of incidents involved unlawfully owned guns. (In another 17 percent of cases, the legality of gun ownership could not be confirmed.)"

Of course the hoplophobes with their irrational fears always bring up the USA when the topic is Australia.

Police minister Troy Grant said greater than 97% of all gun crimes in NSW are done with unregistered guns held by unlicensed people, he also took a swipe at the fearmongering by Green senator David Shoebridge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXLxKX8RgQ

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:10pm: there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia, Australian facts: "In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30"     Link Innocent people, accidentally killed by guns. I care about these people - you don't.

The numbers show the firearm safety course which became mandatory in 1996 does nothing to stop accidents.

We had less accidental shootings before our 1996 gun laws.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:10pm: there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia, Australian facts: "In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30"     Link Innocent people, accidentally killed by guns. I care about these people - you don't. The numbers show the firearm safety course which became mandatory in 1996 does nothing to stop accidents. We had less accidental shootings before our 1996 gun laws.

So, let's dramatically reduce the number of guns.

Less guns = less risk of accidental deaths by guns.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

Far more kids die by drowning or transport accidents in the USA yet hoplophobes like little pecca don't care about them.

I care about all innocent people dying.

However, vehicles are not designed as weapons.

And, swimming pools are not designed as weapons.

Moreover, I've seen no threads in here about children dying in transport accidents, or drowning accidents.

If you'd like to start one, though, I'm more than willing to post a reply or two.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 1:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:10pm: there is no factual foundation for anything you have said about Australia, Australian facts: "In Australia, annual unintentional shooting deaths total 2014: 3 2013: 3 2012: 3 2011: 7 2010: 11 2009: 7 2008: 5 2007: 4 2006: 8 2005: 50 2004: 54 2003: 40 2002: 30 2001: 18 2000: 45 1999: 28 1998: 22 1997: 19 1996: 30 1995: 15 1994: 20 1993: 18 1992: 24 1991: 29 1990: 30 1989: 19 1988: 30"     Link Innocent people, accidentally killed by guns. I care about these people - you don't. The numbers show the firearm safety course which became mandatory in 1996 does nothing to stop accidents. We had less accidental shootings before our 1996 gun laws. So, let's dramatically reduce the number of guns. Less guns = less risk of accidental deaths by guns.

Gun numbers have increased to their highest ever levels in Australia which has resulted in less accidental deaths by guns.

It shows your statement is bullshit.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Far more kids die by drowning or transport accidents in the USA yet hoplophobes like little pecca don't care about them. I care about all innocent people dying.

Then why do you stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for apostasy,blasphemy,homosexuals and witchcraft.

Little pecca is a hypocrite.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:24pm: You must really lose your sh1t when you read about road accidents and workplace accident stats Cars are not designed to be weapons. Workplace accidents are not caused by tools, for example, which are designed to be weapons. I care about innocent people accidentally killed by guns - you don't. Reducing the number of guns (i.e. things designed primarily as a weapon) in society, reduces the risk. I'm all about minimising risk - you're about playing with your toys.

You are about trying to assuage your fear of the boogeyman, a hysterical paralysing fear, nothing more.


Dead is dead, there is not good dead and bad dead, so stop crapping on like a little girl, trying to get her dolly back.

You are once again clueless, much like you trying correct me about being in uniform on ANZAC day, jeez you made yourself look like a total fkkwit that day.  ;D ;D ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:43pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:24pm: You must really lose your sh1t when you read about road accidents and workplace accident stats Cars are not designed to be weapons. Workplace accidents are not caused by tools, for example, which are designed to be weapons. I care about innocent people accidentally killed by guns - you don't. Reducing the number of guns (i.e. things designed primarily as a weapon) in society, reduces the risk. I'm all about minimising risk - you're about playing with your toys. You are about trying to assuage your fear of the boogeyman, a hysterical paralysing fear, nothing more. Dead is dead, there is not good dead and bad dead, so stop crapping on like a little girl, trying to get her dolly back. You are once again clueless, much like you trying correct me about being in uniform on ANZAC day, jeez you made yourself look like a total fkkwit that day.  ;D ;D ;D

Nothing changes, except he's an even bigger one now.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:26pm:

Dead is dead, there is not good dead and bad dead.

Correct, and nobody here has said anything to the contrary.

However, reducing the number of guns in the community lessens the risk of being accidentally killed as a result of a gunshot wound.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Gun numbers have increased to their highest ever levels in Australia which has resulted in less accidental deaths by guns. It shows your statement is bullshit.

My statement is 100% correct.

Less guns = less risk of accidental deaths by guns.

If there are zero guns in Australia, there is zero chance of accidentally being killed by a gun in Australia.

Hysterical rantings.

Do you know how many children drown each year?
Yet pools are not banned, nor is water.

Do you know how many children die of poisoning?
Yet poisons are still available and not banned.

Do you know how many children are electrocuted?
Yet electricity is not banned and is still available.

Do you know how many children are killed by motor vehicles?
Yet cars are not banned and are freely available.

Guns are not the problem, the use or abuse is the problem.
Teach people to use them properly, to respect them and to keep them out of the hands of criminals or mentally ill.

PS
I do not like guns, never had one, never will.
But I don't drink or smoke either.

But I respect peoples right to choice, anything less is no longer a democracy its a dictarorship.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Far more kids die by drowning or transport accidents in the USA yet hoplophobes like little pecca don't care about them. I care about all innocent people dying. Then why do you stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for apostasy,blasphemy,homosexuals and witchcraft. Little pecca is a hypocrite.

No greater than you.  Why do you ignore all the victims of guns in Australia?   Only yours and the interpretation peddled by the extremists promotes the death penality for all those issues.  Funny bed fellows you keep there!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 1:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:59pm: Far more kids die by drowning or transport accidents in the USA yet hoplophobes like little pecca don't care about them. I care about all innocent people dying. Then why do you stick up for Islam which has the death penalty for apostasy,blasphemy,homosexuals and witchcraft.

I don't support the death penalty, under any circumstances.

You may have mistaken me for someone else.

Valkie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

keep them out of the hands of criminals or mentally ill.

How would you propose to achieve this apparently impossible task?

ian wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Valkie wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 4:07pm:   keep them out of the hands of criminals or mentally ill. How would you propose to achieve this apparently impossible task?

Penalise their use?  Make them single-user only?   Destroy them all?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D