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Title: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:18am

About time they realised just how wrong they've been on this issue.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bills-boat-turnback-shortens-asylum-error/story-fni0cx12-1227453244014

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:34am

BILL Shorten will stare down Labor’s powerful Left faction and ask the party to finally adopt the Abbott government’s controversial turnback policy if they win office.

In a stunning backflip, Mr Shorten last night admitted Labor “had to face the truth” that the policy worked and conceded Labor made “mistakes” in government which allowed 50,000 illegal arrivals and more than 1100 people to die at sea.

Mr Shorten lit the fuse for an explosive showdown with the party’s Left faction when the ALP national conference begins in Melbourne tomorrow.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal powerful Labor Left figures will host a “Labor for Refugees” seminar at the conference which will include discussions about why asylum seekers should even be detained.

Mr Shorten and shadow immigration spokesman Richard Marles have spent several months working on colleagues to support the policy change. Shadow cabinet will begrudgingly support the plan.

“I can no longer escape the conclusion that Labor, if we form a government, needs to have all the options on the table,’’ Mr Shorten said.

“That would include boat turn backs as an option.

“If I want to be the leader of this nation, I’ve got to be able to face the truth. The truth for me is that if we have policies in place which gives sustenance and support to people smugglers to exploit vulnerable people, where they put these vulnerable people on unsafe boats and then people drown at sea, I can’t support any policies which do that.”

The announcement sent Twitter into overdrive, with many “loyal” ALP supporters vowing to desert the party for the Greens. Mr Shorten conceded the issue would be divisive with the Left: “It’s not an easy issue for Labor because on one hand we’re absolutely committed to the humane treatment of refugees and on the other hand we also want to prevent people drowning at sea.”

Mr Shorten’s decision will put his leadership on the line.

Labor members could vote to abandon the policy. It is understood the Left and Right of the party each have about 200 votes.

In a sign of a potential bloodbath of the issue, a page in the ALP’s official national conference handbook is devoted to promoting the Labor asylum seeker event which will be open to the public.

ACTU boss Ged Kearney, who is regarded as an influential figure on the party’s Left, will head the discussion with human rights lawyer Julian Burnside and refugee advocate David Manne.

Labor’s decision to match the Coalition policy of turnbacks is an acknowledgment of the success of the government’s hard line Operation Sovereign Borders. Labor policy is likely to include humanitarian protections, an increase in refugee intake to 27,000 a year, improved management of offshore processing facilities and greater transparency.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bills-boat-turnback-shortens-asylum-error/story-fni0cx12-1227453244014

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50am

Does this mean you will be voting Labor?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:52am

Its time wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50am:

Does this mean you will be voting Labor?

May as well. What difference is there.

The Greens will benefit from this, they do every time Shorty takes a step closer to the radical right.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:59am

Bill Shorten yesterday said, "The Prime Minister has addressed the issue of asylum boat turnbacks in numerous speeches over the years and while I don't know what it is that he said, let me say that I agree with what it was the Prime Minister said!". He was then asked to confirm he had no idea what Prime Minister Abbott had said, to which he replied, "I'm sure he's right".

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:52am:

Its time wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50am:

Does this mean you will be voting Labor?

May as well. What difference is there.

The Greens will benefit from this, they do every time Shorty takes a step closer to the radical right.

Yes may as well amalgamate , getting harder to tell the difference.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:08am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

;D

.................................

they say that he's softening his stance already this morning...

Kevin Rudd also promised not to touch Howards Pacific Solution... but once in.... dismantled it and the illegals flooded in..

the Labor/Green coalition can't be trusted on border security...

Labor will make a dirty deal with the Greens to gain power again like Gillard did and we'll have tens of thousands of welfare rorters, people who hate Australia and Australians and also Jihadists..

the Greens just love anyone who is against Australia and who want to harm Australians... because that's who the Green Voter is... a Maggot... >:(

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:10am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

How many refugees/ asylum seekers have you conversed with?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:13am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

the Greens just love anyone who is against Australia and who want to harm Australians... because that's who the Green Voter is... a Maggot... >:(

Then that would include hard righters

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:17am

Quote:

It is a lie that will not die. It has been sent to tens of thousands of Australians in an email that has been circulating for years. The latest variation compares the amount paid to Australian aged pensioners with the benefits available to refugees. It claims the weekly allowance for pensioners is $253 while the weekly allowance for refugees is $472.50, plus a weekly hardship payment of $145, meaning refugees are eligible for more than twice as much government support as pensioners. It's a concoction. The problem for the federal government is that the truth is in some ways worse than the lie.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by aquascoot on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18am

Smart move

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:26am

Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:26am:

Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.

the problem is, can he be trusted? Rudd said the same thing and if there is one thing we know about Bill it is that he is more interested in winning that actual policy settings on principle. He will say whatever he neends to improve his position while doing whatever he wants in the end. Given his performance over the past 8 years would you say he is inherently trustworthy?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:52am

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

shortarse and "de truth"...

Quote:

In a stunning backflip, Mr Shorten last night admitted Labor “had to face the truth” that the policy worked and conceded Labor made “mistakes” in government which allowed 50,000 illegal arrivals and more than 1100 people to die at sea.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

thats the best laugh I have had since they elected him leader...

good one BILL you can at least say the word...now look up its meaning.... the royal would like to see that..

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

did he speak to krudd before the challenge????..... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:53am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:26am:

Good on you Bill.
Going with an action that has been successful.

he has trouble with the :truth: but that doesnt mean he aint smart. :D :D

hes learning if it aint broke dont what ever you do DONT try and fix it.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:57am

Yep, Bill like Tony, will say anything, sellout anyone, just to try and garnish votes.
Post forming government, election promises are out of the window.

That's a certainty for both wings of the liblab party.

The other angle is while labor is bleeding to The Greens. Libs will increase bleeding support to both lab and The Greens.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:58am

Shorty also mentioned that he would increase the refugee intake, so there will be some bargaining going on.

I hope the rest of the Labor Party vote this down. It's time to see if they are just 'yes' men or if they have a conscience.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:05am

By Shorten owning this sell out, this is now practically Labor policy.
How democratic is this?

If this is voted down at the alp conference, will Shorten step down?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am

watch the lefties scurry!

Such Fun!

And who would believe Labor saying they will maintain this policy? Who would trust Shorten of all people?

Lots of entertainment watching the lefties suddenly change their opinions.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dsmithy70 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Yes it will be interesting to see those that have the courage of their convictions & those like yourself who are just party sycophants doing & thinking what their told.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:13am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Smell the fear ;D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:15am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:58am:

hes sending them all up to Qld pansi

you and aussie will get your share dont worry..

btw Abbott also increased the intake.. the real one when he stopped the boats.. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:17am

Listen. ...

Bull Shitten doesn't do anything like this out of the goodness of his heart as we all know. .. he a Rat..

I reckon he's gotten a sniff of Tania doing the numbers for a crack at being Labor Leader. ..

So he'd rather take another hit in his public credibility which will push Tania into a corner over illegals due to her stance on the matter. ..

She'll have to resign and go to the back bench or look like a Dog like Bull Shitten. .

Good old Billy.... always shoring up his own position by getting rid of others... mark my words friends. .

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:25am

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:58am:

hes sending them all up to Qld pansi

you and aussie will get your share dont worry..

btw Abbott also increased the intake.. the real one when he stopped the boats.. ::) ::) ::)

I was under the impression it's the people smugglers you guys hate ... now it's the refugees too.

My bad for thinking you were humane.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:27am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Yes it will be interesting to see those that have the courage of their convictions & those like yourself who are just party sycophants doing & thinking what their told.

Oh I think it is pretty obvious that my opinion on this topic has remained static over the past 20 years. If you are looking for someone who has had a suddenlurch to the left I would suggest consulting a mirror.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am

Tanya won't back down.....I say with a great feeling of uncertainty.

It's politics, it's dog eat dog, anything's likely.

I hope they have a vote of no confidence and Shorty gets the boot, but he must have some idea of the numbers that are in favour of this backflip, surely.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:33am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am:

I hope you are right. Abbott likes the Alp under SHorten as they are a weak target, but with PLibersek they would be unelectable. Bring it on!

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:40am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am:

Plibersek and Albanese will have to fall in line if Labor lurches further hard right on refugee persecution. They will then have to fight for their seats in greening up inner sydney electorates, where voters are not compassion free zones.

This could be a calculated attack by Shorten, on his competitors for the leadership. A way of getting rid of Albo and Tanya.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by bogarde73 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am

So Bill Shorten and all who follow him will now be inhumane racist bigots.
I wonder will the electors see through this. After all they know he is an out & out liar.
And with the Tantalising Tanya breathing down his neck, holding the racist bigot faction together will be a big job.

But instead of mealy-mouthing this as a decision to "save lives", he can't even be honest enough to admit it's about "saving votes".
Yep, I guess on reflection they will see through it.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

I am just thinking about SHY... she will be on medication now....this could bring about her standing on the BOX in parliament house.. waving her broomstick...her fangs dripping blood........she will be fit to be tied I can tell you....it will be WAR

and I agree shortarse blaming those who drowned on his backflip is another low for him...

no way will he ever say he got it wrong...nothing 'umble about our bill. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

Sarah hyphen-hyphen will have apoplexy which will be fun to watch. She gets very ugly when angry - as do all greens.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:22am

At least now, the abbott mob will have the poison chalice of shorten fighting for their inhumane policy.

This frees Greens to win majority support back for compassionate Australia. A state where Australians can end their hunched backs overseas, pretending to be kiwis.

Returning to compassion Australia will be led by Sarah.
This is why hard righters hate her. She is a symbol of ethics and a determination for Australia's true state of compassion.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:23am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:11am:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:57am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

Sarah hyphen-hyphen will have apoplexy which will be fun to watch. She gets very ugly when angry - as do all greens.

oh I agree I do hope shortarse has his back covered..
[ I am lying]

in fact I would not be surprised if he isnt wearing body armor and has been for some time??

but SHY would be hell on earth if they meet on the way to the toilets I cant see him winning...

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:27am

____ wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:22am:

we know greeny shy is already down in the bunker..giving shortarse a piece of her mind...which as you know isnt at all pleasant....

she is saving her best for the senate...when she will really let rip...and god help anyone thats gets in her way....she will probably have Lee to back her up...

ooooo shortarse I am even beginning to feel sorry for him. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dsmithy70 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Yes it will be interesting to see those that have the courage of their convictions & those like yourself who are just party sycophants doing & thinking what their told.

Really?????

I could have sworn you argued AGAINST offshore detention in Malaysia.

You know reffos maybe caned etc etc, everything Tones sprouted.

And yet here we are a couple of years later & you not only champion offshore detention but applaud the criminalisation of the reporting of abuse.

Never mind the economics.

But hey keep on trucking.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dnarever on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Yes it will be interesting to see those that have the courage of their convictions & those like yourself who are just party sycophants doing & thinking what their told.

You were really out there supporting an off shore solution 5 years before it existed and 3 years before there was any need for one. That is impressive.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dnarever on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:44am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:59am:

You remind me a lot of Humphrey B Bear - He was a funny old fellow too.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Yes it will be interesting to see those that have the courage of their convictions & those like yourself who are just party sycophants doing & thinking what their told.

it is true. going green does reduce ones IQ.

I support off-short detention. I also rejected Malaysia. perhaps you can work out why they two are not opposed to each other.

he rest of your drivel is evidence of your slip to the dark side. Now you just make stuff up like every other leftie and greenie that infests this place.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a wanker. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dsmithy70 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:21am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02am:

I support off-short detention

Only if Tony does

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02am:

I also rejected Malaysia

Only if Tony does

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02am:

perhaps you can work out why they two are not opposed to each other.

Do Tell

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:02am:

he rest of your drivel is evidence of your slip to the dark side

Show the post where you have dissed Tones & supported health care workers

Show me where it's cheaper to offshore.

You are far from consistent, If Tones turned around tomorrow & said he was going to build 5000 wind turbines, convert to Islam & open the borders, you'd be here within 2 hours telling us how cheap renewable energy is, how we are self interested luddites thinking coal is king & our future.
Sharia law is not only good but our only salvation & we are racist pricks for denying these huddled masses shelter.

The facts are for many years we debated issues from different sides but 9 out of 10 times managed to find some common ground.
However your slavish support of this joke of a government regardless of common sense is to say the least disappointing.
I can understand you supporting/defending 70 to 75% of their ideas, in fact with some logical discussion I'm sure we'd again reach some common ground, but the 110% myopic devotion you show (except for the 3 I don'ts in brackets) makes me question my judgement.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

really where were Human Rights when kids were being bashed to death on Xmas Islands rocky out crop???..

funny I dont recall hearing a word from them as the world watched 1100 people DIE>over six years...

I too would like to punch them in the head...if they ever get it out of the sand >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:57am

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

really where were Human Rights when kids were being bashed to death on Xmas Islands rocky out crop???..

you prefer they crash on rocky outcrops off the Greek coast instead?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dnarever on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:05pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Where was your condemnation of the Abbott opposition doing everything they could to ensure the drowning's continued for as long as possible ?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dnarever on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:09pm

Shorten admits Labor was wrong.

Labor is wrong - it isn't the first time and it won't be the last.

Labor are backed into a corner and are making a political decision.

Labor's right choosing to keep a poor policy in place does not mean that anyone has any delusion about the low quality of what they are doing.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Cods solution to protect human rights is to deny human rights.

Title: and wouldnt send the world
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:05pm:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Where was your condemnation of the Abbott opposition doing everything they could to ensure the drowning's continued for as long as possible ?

you mean he opposed sending them to a country that has THE DEATH PENALTY???....why would he do that?

oh thats right AUSTRALIA IS AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY

unless your a lefty.. then its ok... ::) ::) ::) ::) to break the rules..especially if it sort of helps get votes..

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:57am:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

really where were Human Rights when kids were being bashed to death on Xmas Islands rocky out crop???..

you prefer they crash on rocky outcrops off the Greek coast instead?

REALLY... since when did it become AUSTRALIAS fault that people jump in boats and pay people smugglers???

I think you had better look at the rocks floating in your head...... unless you can come up with papers that say destination Australia but turned back now heading to Greece......better ask ozzie he comes up with everything.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by cods on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:11pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Cods solution to protect human rights is to deny human rights.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

what a silly thing to say is that the best you have got.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:14pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Cods solution to protect human rights is to deny human rights.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

what a silly thing to say is that the best you have got.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Is it wrong though? You're concerned people die at sea so the solution you support is to deny those people their human right to seek asylum.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:20pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

who said anything about fault? You're the one pretending that the drownings have stopped.

Just for once, can you at least pretend to use your brain, just for a second? Forcing them to go elsewhere doesn't stop the drownings, it just means they drown elsewhere.

Title: Re: and wouldnt send the world
Post by Kiron22 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:21pm

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:05pm:

cods wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

Where was your condemnation of the Abbott opposition doing everything they could to ensure the drowning's continued for as long as possible ?

like Cambodia? One of the most corrupt and authoritarian regimes on earth with some of the highest rates of poverty in the world?

Also Shorten doesn't admit Abbott is right, everyone in Labor knows the refugee scheme is lazy xenophobic populism, but lazy xenophobic populism is far easier than actually admitting you are both wrong and repairing relations with South East Asia and working on a regional solution with the United Nations involved as well.

In fact, there is a high chance that doing the RIGHT thing would actually lose votes as most people here can't hide that they are outright racists and couldn't actually care less if people drowned at sea if they couldn't throw it in the faces of Labor and The Greens.

Lets be honest here, the vast majority of you right wingers would support shooting refugees as they arrive if it "stopped the boats". Like how you support the cover up of torture, child rape and murder in the concentration camps that make up Australia's horrific refugee program.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 1:04pm

Tomorrow the Labor Party’s National Conference begins in Melbourne.

It’s the opportunity for Bill Shorten to finally demonstrate that Labor has changed.

To do so, Bill Shorten must:

Stand up to Labor’s Left and the Greens and reject plans to reintroduce a job-destroying Carbon Tax

Stand up to Labor’s Left and the Greens by supporting ALL the Coalition’s successful border security policies, including Temporary Protection Visas

;Stand up to the union bosses and break their influence over the Labor Party, and support the Coalition’s policies to end the thuggery and lawlessness of unions such as the CFMEU

Finally give details of exactly how Labor will pay for their $52 billion in unfunded spending promises; and

Detail Labor’s plans to get the Budget back in balance and reduce the massive levels of debt Labor created.

In recent weeks it has become clear that Labor has not changed and remains committed to the same policies, deals and outside influences which gave us the six disastrous years of Rudd/Gillard/Shorten chaos.

The fact is Labor's got too much baggage.

Labor has not changed.

Bill Shorten is not a leader.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Kiron22 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Tomorrow the Labor Party’s National Conference begins in Melbourne.

It’s the opportunity for Bill Shorten to finally demonstrate that Labor has turned completely into the LNP

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

you are right that that is all he is doing. He is taking the vote-losing out of the policy although he still has a massive credibility problem. Voters have got to firstly believe that he is genuine and that he can stop the rest of his party from dumping it anyhow. After Rudd, who would believe Labor saying that will keep the boats out or even try?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:08pm

Shorty got jealous of the Libs grabbing all that cash from the smugglers....he wants a turn.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:12am:

Shorten is neutralising the issue.

But for the record, what a person. Completely disagree. It's a shame that human rights has become a punching bag.

You think people pay too much attention to asylum seekers. They don't. All that will happen is they'll recognise both parties are just as viscous and will move on to issues that actually matter, economy, health, education.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

that must explain why labor has led every poll since Abbott won office ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

Wow so him being prefered leader 90% of the time says he has less credibility, ahh right o got it . Do you actually keep a straight face when your typing horse shite like that ?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:00pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

that must explain why labor has led every poll since Abbott won office ;D ;D ;D ;D

He meant to say public was the 17 no hopers at a Liberal party Bbq :D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:02pm

Its time wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:00pm:

17 no hopers at a Liberal party Bbq

did they get there by helicopter?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:02pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:00pm:

17 no hopers at a Liberal party Bbq

did they get there by helicopter?

Not in bron perignons , probably rode in on the backs of some brown people .

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 3:31pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

I didn't but I should thank longie for that "fact". Gonna claim the couch I bought recently ;)

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by The Grappler on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:37pm

Been telling you all forever they're all on the same side - the rest is just window dressing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3hbWEcSFe4

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:42pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

if registered for GST and it is used entirely in the production of their income.

the problem with that is that it defines NOBODY.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

if registered for GST and it is used entirely in the production of their income.

the problem with that is that it defines NOBODY.

now, now longie, you made the claim
how many employee's do you know are registered for GST ?

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:47pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

if registered for GST and it is used entirely in the production of their income.

the problem with that is that it defines NOBODY.

now, now longie, you made the claim
how many employee's do you know are registered for GST ?

dunno. the commissioner of taxes is not on my speed-dial and if he were, Id get him to audit you.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by John Smith on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

don't bother longie with facts

hey, did you know that an employee can claim back GST on stuff they buy for work?

if registered for GST and it is used entirely in the production of their income.

the problem with that is that it defines NOBODY.

now, now longie, you made the claim
how many employee's do you know are registered for GST ?

dunno. the commissioner of taxes is not on my speed-dial and if he were, Id get him to audit you.

you're an idiot for making such a dumb comment and an even bigger idiot for persisting with it. I'll tell you exactly how many EMPLOYEES are registered for GST. NONE, not a single employee.

And i don't need the tax commissioner on speed dial to know that. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:06pm

I wouldn't believe a damned thing Labor says about turning back boats. The Labor Party is so riddled with leftards that it just won't happen. It's just words and talk designed to get cheap votes.

Title: Re: Shorten admits Labor was wrong, Abbott was right.
Post by Dnarever on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:02pm:

although he still has a massive credibility problem

not as much of a credibility problem as Abbott does :D :D :D :D :D

If you could read... and understand... almost anything, you would already know that despite Abbotts problems, the public views Shorten as a lot worse and less trustworthy.

They have virtually the same disapproval/approval ratings.

Yes that is correct but the interesting thing is that Shortens drop relates to the royal commission witch hunt and Tony is at the top of his game sitting where he belongs, just a tad beyond contempt.