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Message started by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:06pm

Title: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:06pm
Leading Tory MP calls Tony Abbott's climate change policies 'incomprehensible'

Tony Abbott is copping a fresh broadside on climate change inaction from an unusual quarter.

A prominent British Tory MP has launched a stinging attack on Prime Minister Tony Abbott's climate change policies, calling them "incomprehensible", "illogical" and a distortion of "what it means to be a Conservative".

Richard Benyon, a former environment minister under British leader David Cameron, says Mr Abbott's decision to become the first world leader to abolish a carbon price is "mystifying" and his attack on renewable energy targets "bewildering", especially for a "supposedly pro-business government".

In an opinion piece for The Sydney Morning Herald, Mr Benyon argues that "those who, like Mr Abbott, persist in regarding climate change as a left-wing conspiracy based on speculative science are in a rapidly dwindling minority".

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He says "true Conservative values include distaste for over-regulation and enthusiasm for entrepreneurialism. But they also include a respect for sound science and economics, a belief in protecting the natural world and a responsibility to do the best for the biggest possible number of one's citizens."

He adds that "Mr Abbott's dismissal of climate science and his belief that Australia must choose between economic growth and tackling climate change speak to a distorted vision of what it means to be a Conservative".

It is one of the most direct attacks yet on the Coalition government's carbon policies from the right of the political spectrum, and reflects mounting frustration with Canberra in a number of Western capitals.

Speaking from London, Mr Benyon told Fairfax Media he did not wish to be seen as "some Pom meddling in Australian affairs".

"This is more about a global issue where many of us want to see sensible politicians on the centre-right recognising that climate change is a clear and present danger to our world," he said.

"Mr Abbott is a forceful leader and, as a fellow centre-right pollie, I want him to be up there, speaking for common sense in this vital debate."

Conservatives should not be ceding the "high moral ground" to left-of-centre parties, he said. "Conservatives traditionally really understand economics and business is [already] way ahead of politics on this."

Mr Benyon, a former member of the British armed forces, said Australia's decision to hang back to see what others did first was "like a group of soldiers lining up to attack a position and one of them saying, 'Well, I'm going to sit this one out – you chaps carry on and good luck.' "

Mr Benyon is one of Britain's wealthiest MPs and resides at Englefield House, an Elizabethan-era estate.

He lost the environment portfolio in a reshuffle in late 2013 but remains active in the Conservative Environment Network and is a director of the Energy and Climate Change Intelligence Unit.

Pressure is mounting on Canberra to reveal its post-2020 carbon reduction targets in the lead-up to a global summit on climate change in Paris at the end of the year. Australia will not reveal its target until August – the last developed nation to do so.

But Mr Benyon said "all of us want Australia to be leading at that event, providing the sound common sense that it has done down the ages".

Last year, Mr Abbott dismayed UN officials when he declared that climate change was "not the only or even the most important problem that the world faces", a position in stark contrast to that of UN climate change spokesman Dan Thomas, who called it the " defining issue of our time".

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/leading-tory-mp-calls-tony-abbotts-climate-change-policies-incomprehensible-20150722-gihsio.html

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Swagman on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:32pm

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:35pm

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:
Leading Tory MP calls Tony Abbott's climate change policies 'incomprehensible'

Tony Abbott is copping a fresh broadside on climate change inaction from an unusual quarter.

A prominent British Tory MP has launched a stinging attack on Prime Minister Tony Abbott's climate change policies, calling them "incomprehensible", "illogical" and a distortion of "what it means to be a Conservative".

Richard Benyon, a former environment minister under British leader David Cameron, says Mr Abbott's decision to become the first world leader to abolish a carbon price is "mystifying" and his attack on renewable energy targets "bewildering", especially for a "supposedly pro-business government".

In an opinion piece for The Sydney Morning Herald, Mr Benyon argues that "those who, like Mr Abbott, persist in regarding climate change as a left-wing conspiracy based on speculative science are in a rapidly dwindling minority".

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He says "true Conservative values include distaste for over-regulation and enthusiasm for entrepreneurialism. But they also include a respect for sound science and economics, a belief in protecting the natural world and a responsibility to do the best for the biggest possible number of one's citizens."

He adds that "Mr Abbott's dismissal of climate science and his belief that Australia must choose between economic growth and tackling climate change speak to a distorted vision of what it means to be a Conservative".

It is one of the most direct attacks yet on the Coalition government's carbon policies from the right of the political spectrum, and reflects mounting frustration with Canberra in a number of Western capitals.

Speaking from London, Mr Benyon told Fairfax Media he did not wish to be seen as "some Pom meddling in Australian affairs".

"This is more about a global issue where many of us want to see sensible politicians on the centre-right recognising that climate change is a clear and present danger to our world," he said.

"Mr Abbott is a forceful leader and, as a fellow centre-right pollie, I want him to be up there, speaking for common sense in this vital debate."

Conservatives should not be ceding the "high moral ground" to left-of-centre parties, he said. "Conservatives traditionally really understand economics and business is [already] way ahead of politics on this."

Mr Benyon, a former member of the British armed forces, said Australia's decision to hang back to see what others did first was "like a group of soldiers lining up to attack a position and one of them saying, 'Well, I'm going to sit this one out – you chaps carry on and good luck.' "

Mr Benyon is one of Britain's wealthiest MPs and resides at Englefield House, an Elizabethan-era estate.

He lost the environment portfolio in a reshuffle in late 2013 but remains active in the Conservative Environment Network and is a director of the Energy and Climate Change Intelligence Unit.

Pressure is mounting on Canberra to reveal its post-2020 carbon reduction targets in the lead-up to a global summit on climate change in Paris at the end of the year. Australia will not reveal its target until August – the last developed nation to do so.

But Mr Benyon said "all of us want Australia to be leading at that event, providing the sound common sense that it has done down the ages".

Last year, Mr Abbott dismayed UN officials when he declared that climate change was "not the only or even the most important problem that the world faces", a position in stark contrast to that of UN climate change spokesman Dan Thomas, who called it the " defining issue of our time".

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/leading-tory-mp-calls-tony-abbotts-climate-change-policies-incomprehensible-20150722-gihsio.html



bit late for that...

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:17pm
San Diego received 1.7 inches in 36 hours — more than it’s seen in the past 101 Julys combined.

source: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/california_just_got_slammed_by_super_historic_rainfall_but_it_still_wont_be_enough_to_end_the_drought/

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.


No, it's not. Not even close. We've already seen the influence of ISIS here. Police stabbed in Victoria, another incident of Police being attacked in another state, an IS recruiter under surveillance in Sydney. You've no idea what you're talking about, do you? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:18am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.


No, it's not. Not even close. We've already seen the influence of ISIS here. Police stabbed in Victoria, another incident of Police being attacked in another state, an IS recruiter under surveillance in Sydney. You've no idea what you're talking about, do you? ;D ;D ;D



Extreme weather worse ... wildfires more intense ... oceans increasing in temperature ... extinction rates rising. The effects of AGW are all around us. By not being a global citizen, abbott is trying to undermine world action on human caused climate change.

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:36am

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.


No, it's not. Not even close. We've already seen the influence of ISIS here. Police stabbed in Victoria, another incident of Police being attacked in another state, an IS recruiter under surveillance in Sydney. You've no idea what you're talking about, do you? ;D ;D ;D



Extreme weather worse ... wildfires more intense ... oceans increasing in temperature ... extinction rates rising. The effects of AGW are all around us. By not being a global citizen, abbott is trying to undermine world action on human caused climate change.


I think we're more at risk from ISIS than rising sea levels or a temperature rise of .08 of a degree! ;)

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:36am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.


No, it's not. Not even close. We've already seen the influence of ISIS here. Police stabbed in Victoria, another incident of Police being attacked in another state, an IS recruiter under surveillance in Sydney. You've no idea what you're talking about, do you? ;D ;D ;D



Extreme weather worse ... wildfires more intense ... oceans increasing in temperature ... extinction rates rising. The effects of AGW are all around us. By not being a global citizen, abbott is trying to undermine world action on human caused climate change.


I think we're more at risk from ISIS than rising sea levels or a temperature rise of .08 of a degree! ;)


We're as long as Abort is PM agitating the Muslim population that's for sure.

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:45am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:36am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:28am:

____ wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
Climate is a global issue so Abbott is impeding and embarrassing all conservatives, everywhere.


Yes it is, of which our contribution is a small fraction of one percent. A fart in a hurricane. Get back to me when China does something massive and concrete, along with the U.S., UK, and half of Europe.



Thats like saying we are such a small population, we should not be fighting wars with ISIS. So why is abbott bombing civilians and spying on Australians. Why is it ok to be a global citizen on foreign civil wars yet not on runaway climate change.


No, it's not. Not even close. We've already seen the influence of ISIS here. Police stabbed in Victoria, another incident of Police being attacked in another state, an IS recruiter under surveillance in Sydney. You've no idea what you're talking about, do you? ;D ;D ;D



Extreme weather worse ... wildfires more intense ... oceans increasing in temperature ... extinction rates rising. The effects of AGW are all around us. By not being a global citizen, abbott is trying to undermine world action on human caused climate change.


I think we're more at risk from ISIS than rising sea levels or a temperature rise of .08 of a degree! ;)




And your qualifications to decide.
A 12 week Daily Tele course?

Title: Re: Abbott Embarrasses Tory Over Climate
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:29pm
cryosat-2

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-ice-volume-rebounds-19262?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20climatecentral/djOO%20Climate%20Central%20-%20Full%20Feed


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