Should we follow the UK and make it mandatory that all speakers sever all party ties? I think it's a good start although forcing them to sever ties doesn't make them any less biased.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-21/earl-bishop-should-follow-britains-lead-and-leave-the-libs/6636396

If Bronwyn Bishop wishes to remain Speaker, she should sever links with the Liberal Party. And our Parliament should follow Britain's lead and make this move mandatory for future speakers, writes Chris Earl.

The problem with incumbents of the speaker's chair in Australia's House of Representatives is that they are beholden to party machines that determine their tenure as the nation's number one standard bearer for the democratic ideals of the nation

I think the speaker role should be a different and independent path.

Maybe they could be chosen from Helicopter pilots ?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

I think the speaker role should be a different and independent path.

that would be even better, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Hello John  :)

If we adopted the UK model, do you think it would really change much here?

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:43pm: I think the speaker role should be a different and independent path. that would be even better, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Yep...agree with you both.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Hello John  :) If we adopted the UK model, do you think it would really change much here?

I think it's a start in the right direction. Maintaining the Status Quo isn't going to fix anything

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions.

IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Any particular reason it needs to be someone elected to government instead of some kind of public servant role like the clerk?

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm:

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking.

or not.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not.

Yeah John....you're such an ANTI LIBERAL.  ::)

Can't you at least TRY to be something else?  :P

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not.

Slipper was found guilty is the same thing Abbott is now protecting Bishop from. :D :D

By the way dopey, Slipper IS a liberal, you tosser

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:29pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not. Yeah John....you're such an ANTI LIBERAL.  ::) Can't you at least TRY to be something else?  :P

anti liberal? Slipper was a liberal wasn't he?  :P :P :P

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

More made up crap.  Slipper resigned from the LNP.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not.

"Facts, perspective and truth," hey.  Your post is yet another lie.  Slipper has zero offences to his name.  Why do you continue to just make shhit up, melielongtime?  Do you like proving me right all the time?

Should speakers sever party ties?

Even if they severed ties with their party, they'd still be sympathetic to that party.

The Speaker should be selected from the public service.

The way it is at the moment is like the referee of a football game being on the board of the club of one of the teams that are playing.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Should speakers sever party ties? 1. Even if they severed ties with their party, they'd still be sympathetic to that party. 2. The Speaker should be selected from the public service. 3. The way it is at the moment is like the referee of a football game being on the board of the club of one of the teams that are playing.

Re 1. It's been acknowledged as an issue.

Re 2. It's impossible under our system of govt.

Re 3. Couldn't agree with you more.

Yes, need to be independent as possible!

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:53pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. More made up crap.  Slipper resigned from the LNP.

a bit like people 'resign' from companies ahead of being sacked. Your innocence of how it happens in the real world is rather weird.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant.

As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. More made up crap.  Slipper resigned from the LNP. a bit like people 'resign' from companies ahead of being sacked. Your innocence of how it happens in the real world is rather weird.

Oh, I know the details very well, melielongtime.  You forget, Slipper was the Member for Fisher, which is in the heart of my dunghill.  I know, but you clearly did not, that he did not have his party ties severed for him.  He resigned.  You lied......yet again.

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party.

it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency.

Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime?

Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

Yet you can't deny he was a lot more impartial than the current partisan helicopter riding moron.

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is?

I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is? I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer.

Putting his $900 indiscretion aside he was actually quite a good speaker, who didn't have a record of 99.9% of people
Kicked out being from the opposition.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:41pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is? I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer. Putting his $900 indiscretion aside he was actually quite a good speaker, who didn't have a record of 99.9% of people Kicked out being from the opposition.

as has been amply demonstrated in the recent past where your goldfish memory doesnt allow you to go, Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day and Bishop's performance is not at significant variance from anyone else.  I am equally sure you will absolutely refuse to accept that and demand a link which you will then deny in a months time when the topci inevitably arises again.

GET A MEMORY.

Quote:

Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day

That is true, but Bishop is a stand out ~ unique.  Have you signed the Petition which presses for her resignation/removal?  I'll re-post the link if you haven't.

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:04pm:

Quote: Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day That is true, but Bishop is a stand out ~ unique.  Have you signed the Petition which presses for her resignation/removal?  I'll re-post the link if you haven't.

the point of the hansard stats was to demonstrate that she ISNT a standout at all. Her removal for travel rorts is a different issue. (I know. 2 separate issues must be hard for you to follow)

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker


Correct.

slipper has 20 offences to his name

That does not make the stated fact that you comment on any better.

Fact is that Slipper was one of our better speakers and the incumbent speaker is in a small group at the other end of the scale if not all by herself.

Bishops performance has been an embarrassment to the Australian government.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:04pm: Quote: Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day That is true, but Bishop is a stand out ~ unique.  Have you signed the Petition which presses for her resignation/removal?  I'll re-post the link if you haven't. the point of the hansard stats was to demonstrate that she ISNT a standout at all. Her removal for travel rorts is a different issue. (I know. 2 separate issues must be hard for you to follow)

The Courier Mail (paywall so no link) ran an article on her which sets out the comparative stats.  So...let's see your link to what you reckon Hansard says.  I have no idea why you would regard it as difficult, even for someone like yourself, to grasp that travel rorts are not the equivalent of her performance in the House as Speaker, but they are directly linked.  Tony Burke must be relishing the next Question Time.  They will, quite rightly, relentlessly mock the crap out of her.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:29pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker yeah really?  slipper has 20 offences to his name.  But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal.  Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking. or not. The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker Correct. slipper has 20 offences to his name That does not make the stated fact that you comment on any better. Fact is that Slipper was one of our better speakers and the incumbent speaker is in a small group at the other end of the scale if not all by herself. Bishops performance has been an embarrassment to the Australian government.

the ONLY thing you liked about Slipper is that he kept Gillard in power a bit like how you defended Thompson for years.  ethics are not your strong suit.

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked. I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:36pm: Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked. I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so. Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

....AND give us the link which supports this.


Quote:

Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:39pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:36pm: Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked. I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so. Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy. ....AND give us the link which supports this. Quote: Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

you provided t hat link yourself a few minutes ago fool.  goldfish memory got you again?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:48pm: Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:39pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:36pm: Its time wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked. I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so. Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy. ....AND give us the link which supports this. Quote: Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day. you provided t hat link yourself a few minutes ago fool.  goldfish memory got you again?

What post number are you referring to?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:41pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is? I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer. Putting his $900 indiscretion aside he was actually quite a good speaker, who didn't have a record of 99.9% of people Kicked out being from the opposition. as has been amply demonstrated in the recent past where your goldfish memory doesnt allow you to go, Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day and Bishop's performance is not at significant variance from anyone else.  I am equally sure you will absolutely refuse to accept that and demand a link which you will then deny in a months time when the topci inevitably arises again. GET A MEMORY.

Partisan hack, all I said was that slipper was an impartial speaker.  Stupid partisan hack ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is? I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer.

no one asked for your expectations ... do you support Bishop? It's really not a difficult question is it? even for you.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:41pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 5:18pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 4:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 3:03pm: Bam wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 2:51pm: The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions. IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation. Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him.  Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess. Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant. As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party. it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency. Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime? Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is? I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer. Putting his $900 indiscretion aside he was actually quite a good speaker, who didn't have a record of 99.9% of people Kicked out being from the opposition. as has been amply demonstrated in the recent past where your goldfish memory doesnt allow you to go, Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day and Bishop's performance is not at significant variance from anyone else.  I am equally sure you will absolutely refuse to accept that and demand a link which you will then deny in a months time when the topci inevitably arises again. GET A MEMORY.

why don't you refresh everyones memory and put up this 'record' you allude to?

I'm pretty sure Longy isn't going to support a 72 yr old grandma who should have and could have retired 7 yrs ago.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm:

I'm pretty sure Longy isn't going to support a 72 yr old grandma who should have and could have retired 7 yrs ago.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong ... he's been asked the question a dozen times in the past week and has refused to give a direct answer.

You're a rightie Lisa, do you support Bishop as speaker?

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01pm:

do you support Bishop as speaker?

Julie?

Swagman wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:01pm: do you support Bishop as speaker? Julie?

no, St Peter  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58pm: I'm pretty sure Longy isn't going to support a 72 yr old grandma who should have and could have retired 7 yrs ago. I'm pretty sure you are wrong ... he's been asked the question a dozen times in the past week and has refused to give a direct answer. You're a rightie Lisa, do you support Bishop as speaker?

We've already got an Abbott as Prime Minister.

We don't need a Bishop as Speaker. 

In any event, we have a spare Bishop as our Foreign Affairs Minister

What do you think this is....the freaking Catholic Church?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:01pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 7:58pm: I'm pretty sure Longy isn't going to support a 72 yr old grandma who should have and could have retired 7 yrs ago. I'm pretty sure you are wrong ... he's been asked the question a dozen times in the past week and has refused to give a direct answer. You're a rightie Lisa, do you support Bishop as speaker? We've already got an Abbott as a Prime Minister. We don't need a Bishop as a Speaker.  What do you think this is....the freaking Catholic Church?

it's certainly not orthodox  :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:01pm: do you support Bishop as speaker? Julie? no, St Peter  :D :D :D :D

Peter Costello is retired....

Swagman wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:09pm: Swagman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:01pm: do you support Bishop as speaker? Julie? no, St Peter  :D :D :D :D Peter Costello is retired....

Yeah and you know why?

Had he stayed, we would have had Abbott and Costello in charge of the country.

Now that would have been a joke.

Quote:

Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

This would make sense as the Government is generally on the defense and the Opposition on attack, often the Opposition will overstep the boundaries of what is a relevant question and go into a theatrical attack which would be right to get called on.

The problem is Bishop is just such a flat out partisan hack it is insane and that is when she barely gets the basics behind being a speaker correct. Bishop isn't only partisan, she's flat out incompetent in the role for a whole myriad of reasons (which has now becoming a running joke in Question Time in itself)

YES - next question..... an independent arbitrator is required... not some party flunkey... with a penchant for choppers...   ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:09pm: Swagman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:07pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:01pm: do you support Bishop as speaker? Julie? no, St Peter  :D :D :D :D Peter Costello is retired.... Yeah and you know why? Had he stayed, we would have had Abbott and Costello in charge of the country. Now that would have been a joke.

Unfortunately it IS a joke.....

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:42pm:

Should we follow the UK and make it mandatory that all speakers sever all party ties? I think it's a good start although forcing them to sever ties doesn't make them any less biased. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-21/earl-bishop-should-follow-britains-lead-and-leave-the-libs/6636396 If Bronwyn Bishop wishes to remain Speaker, she should sever links with the Liberal Party. And our Parliament should follow Britain's lead and make this move mandatory for future speakers, writes Chris Earl. The problem with incumbents of the speaker's chair in Australia's House of Representatives is that they are beholden to party machines that determine their tenure as the nation's number one standard bearer for the democratic ideals of the nation

It won't make any difference with regard to bias. The only option is to make the role non-political by making it a job for which ordinary citizens can apply and are selected based upon merit by a panel of parliamentary officers, not politicians. It's the only way to make it unbiased.