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Title: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-19/victoria-weather-melbourne-shivers-through-cold-morning/6631338

Quote:

Melbourne has shivered its way through its coldest morning in 18 years, according to the weather bureau.

The mercury dropped to just 0.6 degrees Celsius in the city, just after 8:00am.

Weather bureau senior forecaster Richard Carlyon said the last time it was that cold in Melbourne was in 1997, when temperatures plummeted to just 0.3C.

"In some of the suburbs we've had temps down to minus one, minus two degrees and out at Coldstream down to minus four," he said.

Some Melburnians were forced to take buckets of water to their windscreens as the chill left cars frozen over.

Mr Carlyon temperatures plummeted even further in other parts of the state with widespread frost.

"Most of Victoria froze this morning," he said.

"Statewide, one of the coldest spots was Ballarat down to -5.4 earlier this morning ... so certainly the coldest for 18 years."

Most of the state is thawing out now as Melbourne heads for a sunny top of 13C.

....must be anthropogenic global warming theory in practice? :D

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:11am

Yes - I have a whole thread on it & 3 pics from this morning:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253/1404#1404

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:16am

The fact is that it's not getting warmer - it's getting colder.

Anthropogenic global warming is being proven incorrect -

day by day as we enter the new ice age.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19am

Weather vs Climate

https://youtu.be/VHgyOa70Q7Y

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Gay Greens is forgiven.

namaste

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Gay Greens is forgiven.

namaste

That sharp clink you heard was Bobby's IQ dropping to bottom.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:07pm

every one knows climate has nothing to do with temperatures.

since when has 6 deg been cold..

shock horror minus 1 in some burbs.. goodness me how did they survive...

shall we send blankets??

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

every one knows climate has nothing to do with temperatures.

since when has 6 deg been cold..

shock horror minus 1 in some burbs.. goodness me how did they survive...

shall we send blankets??

Doth ye mocketh unto a messenger?

The coldest morning in 18 years.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

every one knows climate has nothing to do with temperatures.

since when has 6 deg been cold..

shock horror minus 1 in some burbs.. goodness me how did they survive...

shall we send blankets??

Bobby has reached 40+ year lows.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

Frost in Melbourne outer suburb 19th July 2015.
The coldest morning in 18 years.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

The exception proves the rule. It demonstrates that temperatures have risen so much over the past 18 years that people have forgotten that frosts were common in Victoria and Melbourne.

That clink you hear is Bobby's IQ dropping to new lows.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

Brace yourself for a scorcher: 2015 set to be warmest on record, warn climate scientists

January to April in 2015 has been the warmest start to a year on record
Nine countries have experienced record high temperatures so far in 2015

The world is on course to have its hottest year on record, according to climate change experts who fear global warming is set to send temperatures soaring.

There have already been a number of temperatures records set in 2015 with Antarctica experiencing its two warmest days ever recorded in March this year.

Equatorial Guinea, Ghana, Venezuela and Laos have all set national temperature records in the past five months while globally January to April this year has been the warmest on record at 0.68°C above average.

The past 12 months have already been the warmest on record, suggesting temperatures are beginning to rise again

According to The Times, Professor Adam Scaife, who leads the monthly to decadal climate prediction research at the Met Office, said: 'There's a pretty good chance of the global record being broken this year.

'Last December we forecast that this year would set a new record, around 0.64°C above the norm, and global temperatures are higher so far this year than at this stage in 2014.'

Meteorologists have already confirmed that a growing El Nino in the Pacific Ocean is likely to lead to a fall in rainfall in the tropics and droughts across Africa and India

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3097299/Brace-scorcher-2015-set-warmest-record-warn-climate-scientists.html#ixzz3gImIcVbT

According to global measurements by Nasa, 2014 is currently the warmest on record with global land and sea temperatures reaching 0.68°C (1.24°F) above the long term average.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the US reports that January to April this year has already surpassed the previous records for the same period.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Marla on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:02pm

This means more rain where I live.

Hoo-boy.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:06pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Brace yourself for a scorcher: 2015 set to be warmest on record, warn climate scientists

January to April in 2015 has been the warmest start to a year on record

Fly north for the Summer.....(just watch out for wind turbines)

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:47pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Brace yourself for a scorcher: 2015 set to be warmest on record, warn climate scientists

January to April in 2015 has been the warmest start to a year on record

Fly north for the Summer.....(just watch out for wind turbines)

Wind farms kill roughly 0.27 birds per GWh.
Nuclear plants kill about 0.6 birds per GWh. (2.2x wind)
Fossil-fueled power stations kill about 9.4 birds per GWh. (34.8x wind)

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2198024

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

notice how now temperatures aren't quote in actual degrees but as difference from an artificially declared 'long term average'? of course if it were reported as the variation over the average of the last 20 years it would be 0.05 degrees +/- 0.1 degrees aka no statistically valid variation.

Like all good lies, it is is how you report it that makes the difference.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

Since 1800 the rate of growth of CO2 accumulation in atmosphere is asymptotic since 1900.

Climate change is coming.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... ;D

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... ;D

and has been since 1998. CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

and you know what? that explanation makes as much sense as the nonsense coming out from some quarters, the best of which is 'it is still warming every year' despite the evidence to the contrary.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... ;D

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Swagman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?

I trust the BOM. The measurement of the coldest temperature in 18 years just exemplifies how temperature has been rising. It's just an incidental spot occurrence which does not exemplify anything.

If BOM report a declining string of cold temperatures for the next 17 years you might have a case. But you will have to be patient.

Recently in USA there was an extended cold snap which even affected retail sales by people staying indoors instead of going out. However this still did not have an effect on rising average temperature over the year.

You will have to pull more powerful arguments out of your pouch.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by tickleandrose on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

Regional weather and climate is very different. You need to educate yourself in order to progress in the debate. Because, just listing record temperatures in certain region is not enough to discredit the climate change model in the current scientific world. No one will take you seriously, as someone can just quote a record heat wave from another region of Earth to counter your argument.

But the general principal remain the same. Greenhouse gases traps more sun energy, thereby increase the global temperature trend, and create more extreme weather events - just by virtual of extra energy. You need to look at Venus, with its thick atmosphere, to see the extremes nature at work, it has a run away greenhouse effect on steroids. Now, Earth will probably not able to get that stage, but even a slight average global variation of a few degree, would have very devastating implications on water, and food supply, and its mainly for our future generation.

Now, people on the right often talk about getting the deficit down to ensure a better life for our future generation. Well, isnt then our responsibility right now, knowing our best science evidence, that we do everything we can to ensure a better future for our children?

Plus, even if you dont believe in climate change. It is still utmost important to save our planet from unnecessary pollutions by changing to cleaner energy sources. Furthermore, if you are a die hard capitalist, even a 10 year old know that a dwindling supply of energy source that is polluting the environment have no future.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-19/victoria-weather-melbourne-shivers-through-cold-morning/6631338

Quote:

....must be anthropogenic global warming theory in practice? :D

The northern hemisphere is warmer than the southern: this has been known for a long time.

Add more temperature and what happens?

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:39pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported rising temperature?

So you don't trust the Australian BOM which has reported the lowest morning temperature in MElb for 18 years?

Do you know what a statistically significant trend is?

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... ;D

longy can't give links to back his shite up which is why he didn't :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

surely this can't be true.. Unforgiven predicted wildfires... he's always right..

no?

;D

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

A tear rolled down my cheek when I read that ;D

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by tickleandrose on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

re innocentbystander.

Sure, if it does entertain you. ;) I am happy that it made you happy. :)

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

It was the poor little children choking to death on carbon dioxide because of evil right wing scum part that got to me :'(

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by tickleandrose on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:09pm

Re Innocentbystander:

Obviously, you dont know too much about Greenhouse gas. Because the whole talk about climate change is not only about carbon dioxide, it is also about the other harmful byproducts that was produced with the greenhouse gases which ultimately impacts on our environment.

The latrobe valley in Victoria's East, have higher than average levels of lung and heart disease, including asthma and lung Ca. The evidence is further reinforced by the Victorian's government's investigation into Hazelwood open mine fire. You can read the report here:

http://report.hazelwoodinquiry.vic.gov.au/executive-summary-2/health-wellbeing

This is on a population scale. In an individual scale, the disease burden falls not only on the individual, but its family and community as well. Below is a research paper into mesothelioma - a form of lung cancer that is widely known as secondary to asbetoses, but another important risk factor is actually working in a coal power station. Its an interesting read, not too long, but it talks about ripple effects devastating illnesses like this have on the community.

http://www.rrh.org.au/articles/subviewaust.asp?ArticleID=1183

May be after that, you will laugh a bit less perhaps. ;)

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... ;D

and has been since 1998. CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

The planet hasn't stopped warming. To claim it has is just silly.

Surface temperatures continue to rise
The cryosphere continues to decline
Sea levels continue to rise.

To deny this is just silly.

BTW - when are you going to explain why you lied and claimed that NASA had said there was a "pause in global warming"

Why do you always run away when asked that question?

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

The cryosphere continues to decline

Oh boo hoo :'(

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Neferti on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

Neferti wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

All fixed mate ...

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Neferti wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

The world listed to the scientists and took action - The Montreal Protocol:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/model-shows-what-ozone-layer-would-look-like-without-montreal-protocol-20150527-ghajtl.html

Shame that the deniers in the employ of the fossil fuel companies stopped similar action occurring in a timely manner to address climate change

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:26pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

The cryosphere continues to decline

Oh boo hoo :'(

Yes. Boo hoo indeed:

The cryosphere is an important part of our water cycle. Ice locks water out of the cycle for long periods of time - with large-scale melting, a vast amount of water can be released back into the water cycle in a relatively short amount of time….Melting ice also has implications for water supply, with many millions of people around the globe dependent on rivers fed by mountain glaciers. For example, in the Indus and Brahmaputra basins alone around 60 million people rely on glacial meltwater for their water supply.

With glaciers melting faster, the IPCC has suggested that in the short term summer river flow is likely to increase - but further into the future river flow is likely to decrease as the ice feeding rivers disappears.
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2011/06/impacts-of-a-melting-cryosphere/

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:28pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Neferti wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

Too many wankers putting fossil fuels into their car and then calling others fossil fuel supporters is the real problem.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:09pm:

well you don't have to worry about all of that... because according to you... we are running out of fossil fuels...

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Sir Bobby on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Ice age causes problems already:

Airports badly affected by ice on planes.

20th July 2015

Quote:

Melburnians are shivering through another freezing morning, with temperatures below zero in many of the outlying suburbs.

The CBD struggled to get above 2 degrees and it was much the same across Melbourne.

"It's the second morning in a row below 2, yesterday it was the coldest morning to 18 years getting to 0.6," BoM forecaster Scott Williams said.

"Certainly it's been a very cold few days."

Hundreds of Qantas and Jetstar passengers were affected by the morning frost,as temperatures sank to -0.6 degrees at 6.30am.

Nine Qantas flights and nine Jetstar flights were delayed after ice formed on the wings of the planes.

A problem with the Qantas de-icing truck forced the airline to wait for the sun to melt the ice.

Flights began to clear at 8.40am, but delays continued until about 11.30am.

A Qantas spokeswoman said the truck would be fixed before Tuesday morning's flights.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/melbournes-cold-start-grounds-flights-20150719-gify8q.html

This was predicted.
And so it is.
The truth & the facts.
namaste

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by tickleandrose on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:09pm

Re Mechanic

Quote:

well you don't have to worry about all of that... because according to you... we are running out of fossil fuels...

I sometimes wonder if you just ask questions out of jest or are you really prepared to learn. Because, the same statement and question just get repeated again and again.

Fossil fuel and coal are slightly different. Coal can be part of fossil fuel. Fossil fuels are formed by decomposition of animal and plants. Coal are decomposition of plants material. (or something along this line). Petrolium companies have estimated that there could be as much as 145 years of coal reserves left. While with petrolium, it is believed that we may be reached, or about to reach the concept of peak oil. And that global production will start to decrease no matter what. It is evidenced by usage of fracking in extracting oil, something that people did not have to do back in the post war 50s.

So, it gets to two points.
1. Current model showed that continued release of stored carbon, would probably result in change in climate before the depletion point. --> Noted, when we talk about depletion, we dont talk about a total depletion, because thats impossible. Rather, its a point where efforts of extraction of said material is too great comparing to the amount extracted. So, action needed to be taken now, especially, the extraction of carbon not only contributes to total greenhouse in the atmosphere, causing change of weather patterns ---> decrease food security. The act of extraction also causes direct destruction to produtive lands. This is a double edged sword, considering the world population will continue to increase and consume more.

2. We know this is a finite resource. And that if we look 1000, or 2000 years ahead, for the survival of humanity, we must change to clean renewable energy. Our ancestors had made sacrifices, and changed their way of live so that they can survive and pass their genes on us. We should also do the same for our future generations. Do not be a weak link.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:26pm

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:50pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Even the deniers cartoons are lies. It implies there was no clothing and civilization before fossil fuels.

Technology is changing to divert goods away from fossil fuel sources. In any case not all clothing is made from fossil fuel products.

Try finding denier cartoons that are not based on lies.

Title: Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Post by Swagman on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:11pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:50pm:

It implies there was no clothing and civilization before fossil fuels

Which is correct.

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Technology is changing to divert goods away from fossil fuel sources

Yes nuclear power would be a good idea.

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:50pm:

In any case not all clothing is made from fossil fuel products

True. But there would be fossil fuel somewhere in the manufacture & sale processes.......

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Try finding denier cartoons that are not based on lies