Posted on July 16, 2015
Unions NSW
Local Goulburn District Unions are taking community action to a whole new level with a peaceful protest rally to highlight growing concerns over the state of our welfare safety net. 

On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers. 

Goulburn District Unions Spokesperson Jason Shepard said the community is angry at both the state and federal Liberal governments for turning their back on the people who need support the most, spurring them to take matters into their own hands.   >:(

“The purpose of the rally was to highlight that the majority of Welfare Recipients are forced to live well below the poverty line. That the level of benefits (especially Newstart) are purposefully kept low forcing disadvantaged people in our country to spend their days in a constant state of anxiety. Over one million Australians are forced to spend each and every day in basic survival mode. This is an untenable and disgraceful situation,” Mr Shepard said. 

“There are over 190 homeless people sleeping rough each night in Goulburn in harsh and hostile conditions and this is mainly because so many support services have closed down due to government funding cuts.  We can’t turn a blind eye any more. As a community we want a better deal.”   :(

The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:

    Change public perceptions around welfare.
    End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.
    End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.
    Raise Newstart above the poverty level.
    Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.
    Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and
    Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities.

Speakers on the day covered a range of welfare related topics such as the need for funding of local women’s refuges, the need to protect Medicare and Bulk billing, the need to increase the availability of affordable housing, the need to stop reducing services and start reinstating them, the inescapable reality that poverty and mental illness are intertwined and as such more needs to be done to provide public mental health services, and the need to stop the demonisation of welfare recipients.

This last point was driven home when Keith Davis a current welfare recipient highlighted the daily plight of welfare recipients: “The unfortunate reality is that currently most of the rest of our fellow Australians see us as an inconvenience, as an annoyance, as an embarrassment, as a blight, and as a drain on the public purse. That kind of thinking couldn’t be further from the truth, we are people just like you, that through bad luck are now in this position.”

Goulburn District Unions are committed to campaigning for better jobs, rights and services for their community and more actions will take place in the near future.

The next Goulburn District Unions event will be the canned food and donation drive around union worksites in Goulburn for Angels For the Forgotten in lead up to Anti-Poverty Week which runs from the 11th - 17th of October this year.

It is overly generous and i'm glad a protest rally is being organised about this.
Are you calling for cuts of 10 or 20 % Crook?
Either way, i'll try to make it.

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............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ......

turn the hoses onto them.

they should be out starting up their own small businesses

wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:39am:

Posted on July 16, 2015 Unions NSW Local Goulburn District Unions are taking community action to a whole new level with a peaceful protest rally to highlight growing concerns over the state of our welfare safety net.  On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers.  Goulburn District Unions Spokesperson Jason Shepard said the community is angry at both the state and federal Liberal governments for turning their back on the people who need support the most, spurring them to take matters into their own hands.   >:( Goulburn District Unions are committed to campaigning for better jobs, rights and services for their community and more actions will take place in the near future. The next Goulburn District Unions event will be the canned food and donation drive around union worksites in Goulburn for Angels For the Forgotten in lead up to Anti-Poverty Week which runs from the 11th - 17th of October this year.

GO, you good people!

Angels for the Forgotten are just that, and more.

Definitely feel for the homeless, sleeping in the snow last night.

No doubt the usual suspects will be here soon to abuse and troll though.

I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone.
You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat

Yes, I seem to, don't I?

The difference being, mine is the correct one.

Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40.

And they're essential if you are looking for work.

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Kat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work.

as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include

a smile
a positive attitude
an attitude that you will never quit
an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success
a strong work ethic
a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement
a willingness to only assocaite with positive people
a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life
a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers.

these cost less than $40
in fact , they are free  ;)

Kat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:39am: Posted on July 16, 2015 Unions NSW Local Goulburn District Unions are taking community action to a whole new level with a peaceful protest rally to highlight growing concerns over the state of our welfare safety net.  On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers.  Goulburn District Unions Spokesperson Jason Shepard said the community is angry at both the state and federal Liberal governments for turning their back on the people who need support the most, spurring them to take matters into their own hands.   >:( Goulburn District Unions are committed to campaigning for better jobs, rights and services for their community and more actions will take place in the near future. The next Goulburn District Unions event will be the canned food and donation drive around union worksites in Goulburn for Angels For the Forgotten in lead up to Anti-Poverty Week which runs from the 11th - 17th of October this year. GO, you good people! Angels for the Forgotten are just that, and more. Definitely feel for the homeless, sleeping in the snow last night. No doubt the usual suspects will be here soon to abuse and troll though.

Too late - you've beaten the rest of your troll family here.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them.

We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;)

Clueless posts like this are counter productive. Perhaps you should join the 1000 club.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;)

And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you.

And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well.

Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the
face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years.

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The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:     Change public perceptions around welfare.     End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.     End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.     Raise Newstart above the poverty level.     Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.     Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and     Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities.

I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

State Of Our  Welfare  Social Security Safety Net Protest Rally

All fixed....

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Kat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:38am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;) And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you. And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well. Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years.

And none of that will STOP you from contacting a potential employer. And if potential employers are made aware that you possess these qualities, they are more likely to contact you...

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

They were stuck on the wall at the CES office, dozens and dozens of little notices, you take one off and the nice lady rings up and makes an appointment for you. You meet the boss, he has a chat, if he says....when would you like to start? You say tomorrow.

Maybe he says....bring your birth certificate along tomorrow or maybe you don't even need that.....just your name, date of birth and you got paid CASH in a brown envelope......oh for the good old days, before fiat currency.

Where's the CES office?

We don't have them now.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? They were stuck on the wall at the CES office, dozens and dozens of little notices, you take one off and the nice lady rings up and makes an appointment for you. You meet the boss, he has a chat, if he says....when would you like to start? You say tomorrow. Maybe he says....bring your birth certificate along tomorrow or maybe you don't even need that.....just your name, date of birth and you got paid CASH in a brown envelope......oh for the good old days, before fiat currency. Where's the CES office? We don't have them now.

Sounds like you know all about being unemployed, Pansi.  ;) How often did  you apply for Unemployment Benefits from the CES?  ;D

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:59am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:38am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;) And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you. And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well. Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years. And none of that will STOP you from contacting a potential employer. And if potential employers are made aware that you possess these qualities, they are more likely to contact you...

Not if you don't got a phone, they won't.

Kat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 3:19pm: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:59am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:38am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;) And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you. And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well. Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years. And none of that will STOP you from contacting a potential employer. And if potential employers are made aware that you possess these qualities, they are more likely to contact you... Not if you don't got a phone, they won't.

Are phones the only way people communicate?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. they should be out starting up their own small businesses

They should be selling race horses to Hong Kong or opening mines, if Gina can, everyone can.

Neferti wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 3:42pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? They were stuck on the wall at the CES office, dozens and dozens of little notices, you take one off and the nice lady rings up and makes an appointment for you. You meet the boss, he has a chat, if he says....when would you like to start? You say tomorrow. Maybe he says....bring your birth certificate along tomorrow or maybe you don't even need that.....just your name, date of birth and you got paid CASH in a brown envelope......oh for the good old days, before fiat currency. Where's the CES office? We don't have them now. Sounds like you know all about being unemployed, Pansi.  ;) How often did  you apply for Unemployment Benefits from the CES?  ;D

omg Neferti, you must be a baby.

Sounds like I know all about being EMPLOYED. Do you think they had job agency scams back then? No way!

There were jobs galore in the seventies and eighties, just take your pick. I used to work two jobs, office by day, office cleaning by night, save for 12 months and travel for 12 months and walk straight back into two jobs and do it all over again.....those were the days......more jobs than people wanting them.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:27am:

Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:57pm: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 3:19pm: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:59am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:38am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;) And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you. And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well. Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years. And none of that will STOP you from contacting a potential employer. And if potential employers are made aware that you possess these qualities, they are more likely to contact you... Not if you don't got a phone, they won't. Are phones the only way people communicate?

Yes. Phone and email.

Unless you live in the jungles of Papua New Guinea, then you get a boy to run to the next village with a message.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:58am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 18th, 2015 at 7:27am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 4:57pm: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 3:19pm: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:59am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:38am: Kat wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:29am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:06am: I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard. i rarely see a welfare recipient without a smartphone. You have a very different definition of safety net to me Kat Yes, I seem to, don't I? The difference being, mine is the correct one. Oh, BTW, I noticed in Coles yesterday they are selling smart-phones for around $40. And they're essential if you are looking for work. as well as a smart phone , other essentail items include a smile a positive attitude an attitude that you will never quit an attitude that each failure brings you closer to success a strong work ethic a willingness to work on your nutrition , your fitness and self - improvement a willingness to only assocaite with positive people a willingness to cut depressed, negative, doom sayers, pessimists, angry people and criminal assocaites from your life a willingness to not become addicted to gambling, drugs or alcohol, internet, televsion or computers. these cost less than $40 in fact , they are free  ;) And none of that will let you contact a potential employer, nor will they help an employer contact you. And with the free data a pre-paid plan includes, they can job-search as well. Your attitude that the unemployed deserve nothing sucks, quite frankly. As does the persistent stereotyping in the face of overwhelming evidence that the stereotype is virtually non-existent nowadays, and has been for years. And none of that will STOP you from contacting a potential employer. And if potential employers are made aware that you possess these qualities, they are more likely to contact you... Not if you don't got a phone, they won't. Are phones the only way people communicate? Yes. Phone and email. Unless you live in the jungles of Papua New Guinea, then you get a boy to run to the next village with a message.

Phone and email are the ONLY means of communication?
Even sadder than your usual efforts.

I found this when I was looking for one of the ring in Bronny facebook pages.

This is sad, if it's true. No reason why it's not true. People ask why you would be afraid of the government, given half a chance, they will kill you.

From Facebook.

John Deininger
22 hrs
Found out today that RAPAD are running a WFD program up at the old Dr Arratta Memorial Museum
There doing renovations on building (Slave labour instead of getting professional builders in)
The building is full of asbestos.
walls, toilets, and flooring are being removed... most stuff is just being smashed out. no care to safely remove it
no safety gear has been issued to the WFD workers.
Muttaburra Primary school is just down the road from Dr Arratta Memorial Museum there is no air monitoring being done.
There is no safety signs up saying asbestos is being removed
No training has been supplied to the workers about removing asbestos
Public hasn't been notified to say that they will be removing asbestos
None of the debris is being bagged its just getting loaded in a ute or trailer and dumped at the local tip

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Centrelink.Law.Reform.Australia/?fref=nf

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

Phone and email are the ONLY means of communication? Even sadder than your usual efforts.

Essential when looking for a job.

Of course people might try other methods, but for long term, after all the doors have been knocked on, after the pub crowd have been asked, after you hit up friends and family, after you post on facebook and twitter.

Would an employer bother with snail mail job applications?

I send my resume and cover letter by mail.

I get a reply 8-10 days later asking some pertinent questions relating to the job and the company.

I reply.

I get another letter 8-10 days later telling me to come in for an interview. OOPS......that was yesterday, bloody postman.

Only in your silly regressive world does that happen, not in the REAL world.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

I rarely see a housing commision house with out a foxtel box and a boat parked in the yard

Liar, whilst I'll give you the foxtel dishes, you are lying about the boats. I've been in several thousand housing commission homes over the years and I doubt I've ever seen more than a total of 10 boats.

as for the satellite dish, that doesn't mean they actually watch foxtel. I'm pretty sure i have a dish on my roof but I don't use foxtel. The previous owners installed it and many of the dishes you see on housing homes were installed previously.

Ohh, and whilst we're on the subject, what makes you think housing commission homes are for the poor only? If that were the case, there'd be no ten year waiting lists. Many housing commission homes have two working adults that make good money, kids go to provate schools etc.

you need to move out of your world of stereotypes and into reality ... the sooner the better for you.

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:36pm:

I found this when I was looking for one of the ring in Bronny facebook pages. This is sad, if it's true. No reason why it's not true.

Person I know has video and photographic evidence as well of his WftD selling the positions to private companies, he's used it to blackmail Max Employment to get him a job instead of being in Stream 1 where they barely even look for you and and when he lands a full time job he still plans to go to the media about it. (He also has a lot of dirt on Max)

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50am: Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work.

and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by  very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined.  Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments.  there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people.

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

Quote: The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:     Change public perceptions around welfare.     End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.     End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.     Raise Newstart above the poverty level.     Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.     Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and     Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities. I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??  Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed? BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what! Quite right. My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune. Bloody useless. Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%.  give me 5.9% any day.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:56am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50am: Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work. and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by  very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined.  Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments.  there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people.

That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist ffs.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what! Quite right. My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune. Bloody useless. Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy. you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...' that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%.  give me 5.9% any day.

Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??

of course they shouldn't, when was the last time you went to a coffee shop and were asked your occupation before being admitted?  :D :D :D


longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Can you name one single group that banks are 'forced' to make loans to?


no wonder everyone think you're an idiot.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:09am: Quote: The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:     Change public perceptions around welfare.     End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.     End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.     Raise Newstart above the poverty level.     Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.     Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and     Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities. I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc. so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??

Which cafes are doing this? Or you're just making up sht again.


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Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Smart banks assess on the basis of ability to repay. Unemployment doesn't enter into it.


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BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

No, the primary cause of the GFC was lax regulation of various banks. Good that you're finally admitting there WAS a GFC after denying it for seven years.

But you're being wilfully obtuse.

Employers discriminate against the unemployed when hiring, for no other reason than the applicant is unemployed. Anyone of even modest intelligence can see why this is a problem.

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:19pm: mothra wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what! Quite right. My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune. Bloody useless. Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy. you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...' that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%.  give me 5.9% any day. Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

Where you bin, Laden?  It was 13.4% in May......2015 that is..... amazing when you consider how many such youth are students or MacFries servitors.....

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:13pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:19pm: mothra wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what! Quite right. My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune. Bloody useless. Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy. you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...' that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%.  give me 5.9% any day. Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it? Where you bin, Laden?  It was 13.4% in May......2015 that is..... amazing when you consider how many such youth are students or MacFries servitors.....

Hovering at around 20% in some places.

whilst 13.4 % is bad, in the big spending, big government, big debt nations like spain, italy and france it varies between 25 %  and up to 50 %.

only small business can employ young people, governments are too broke.

make life easier for small business.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:56am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50am: Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work. and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by  very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined.  Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments.  there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people. That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist for goodness sake.

there is a clue in there for you to explore...

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:19pm: mothra wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:46pm: cods wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:32am: gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram? They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss. They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you. Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what! Quite right. My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune. Bloody useless. Back when i was a kid, we had the CES.  Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy. you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...' that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%.  give me 5.9% any day. Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

and if that were the discussion you might have a point. But then you'd have to quote the youth unemployment figures of the 70s as well which alas, do not exist. That way you can pretend all you want.

Bam wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:30pm: Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 9:09am: Quote: The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:     Change public perceptions around welfare.     End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.     End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.     Raise Newstart above the poverty level.     Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.     Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and     Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities. I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc. so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed?? Which cafes are doing this? Or you're just making up sht again. [quote]Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Smart banks assess on the basis of ability to repay. Unemployment doesn't enter into it.


Quote:

BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

No, the primary cause of the GFC was lax regulation of various banks. Good that you're finally admitting there WAS a GFC after denying it for seven years.

But you're being wilfully obtuse.

Employers discriminate against the unemployed when hiring, for no other reason than the applicant is unemployed. Anyone of even modest intelligence can see why this is a problem.
[/quote]


you are the one who brought discrimination on employment status into it dimwit. Can you find a singular example of that even existing?  the discimination against the unemployed that you claim exists in hiring is just  a story.  Discrimination implies invalid reasoning, not valid rejection. A person with spotty emplyment history or has been unemplyed for 3 years without clear reason represents a risk for employers. That is not discrimination. it is risk management.

I also look forward to you explaining how employment has no impact on loan applications. That should be good.

But you specialise in lying and being obtuse.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:56am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50am: Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work. and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by  very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined.  Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments.  there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people. That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist for goodness sake. there is a clue in there for you to explore...

It's psychological and out of self interest.
Studies have shown that people who win the lotto tend to turn instantly right wing as well.

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 7:49pm: Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 6:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Bam wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:56am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50am: Quote: ............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........ ...... turn the hoses onto them. We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work. and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by  very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined.  Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments.  there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people. That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist for goodness sake. there is a clue in there for you to explore... It's psychological and out of self interest. Studies have shown that people who win the lotto tend to turn instantly right wing as well.

gonna call you on that one, pony-tail.  show us the proof.