Rumours of an early Federal Election continue to grow on the back of lacklustre performances from Bill Shorten.

He continues to bumble and stumble as Leader of the Opposition. 

The Liberals see this as an opportunity to seize the day. They would be foolish to ignore it.

Bring it on.

The sooner we can dump this trainwreck of a government the better

The sooner the better.

This government needs to be stopped before it does irreparable damage.

Bring on the double dissolution.

(Not going to happen though - Abbott doesn't have the guts)

another term for Abbott with an increased majority.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Bring it on. The sooner we can dump this trainwreck of a government the better

I guessed right then

you didnt watch the KILLING SEASON.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


if this ones a train wreck.

then the labor one all two of them were

massive earthquakes...

with shortarse at the  helm.. be careful what you wish for.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

The sooner the better. This government needs to be stopped before it does irreparable damage. Bring on the double dissolution. (Not going to happen though - Abbott doesn't have the guts)

he doesnt have the MOney either thanks to guess who...

it costs a massive amount but of course the left have this never empty horn of plenty dont they.... its called a UNION> ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

another term for Abbott with an increased majority.

absolutely!!!!!!!!   can you imagine this lot omg the last win was bad enough they are still sulking...

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

if this ones a train wreck.

No 'if' about it.

This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen.

The sooner this black period in Australian history is over, the better it'll be for all of us.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen.

Worse than Rudd and Gillard's shambles? Nah. Maybe the third worst, but the wooden spoon and runner-up go to those two (who gets which is debatable).

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:23am: if this ones a train wreck. No 'if' about it. This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen. The sooner this black period in Australian history is over, the better it'll be for all of us.

DID YOU WATCH THE KILLING SEASON FROM BEGINNING TO END?????...DID YOU????????>...

did you watch as the two ex PM walked away after their interviews finished... DID YOU?

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:28am: This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen. Worse than Rudd and Gillard's shambles?

By a country mile.

do we take it the lefites on here.


WANT THE BOATS BACK..

WANT CARBON TAX BACK..

WANT A LIAR AND BACKSTABBER AND CHEATED AS PM...

DO YOU REALLY..

BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WILL GET.. AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:33am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:28am: This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen. Worse than Rudd and Gillard's shambles? By a country mile.

oh bring on shortarse.....bring it on... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


DID YOU WATCH THE KILLING SEASON....????????????

DID ANY LEFTIE WATCH IT ALL...??????????????????????????

You seem a bit fired up over this codsy!

Got you worried eh?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

The people realise this fool is untrustworthy

Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

You seem a bit fired up over this codsy! Got you worried eh? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." The people realise this fool is untrustworthy

well lets put it this way...

if you consider someone who stabbed two pm in tha back to further his own career.... then you deserve all you get..

I take it you didnt WATCH THE KILLING SEASON...

I have said it before and I say it again

be careful what you wish for..

the assassin is still there and so are some who hate his guts for what he did totally untrustworthy.. ask Paul Howes.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

I take it you didnt WATCH THE KILLING SEASON...

What channel was that on cods?

Must have missed it.

Cods, the killing season demonstrated internal party disunity. But the fact is good government by and large continued - despite the fights happening internally.

This mob on the other hand has just been bad at governing. Policy on the run, no concept of good long term economic management, complete inability to negotiate with the senate. There efforts to distract from their economic incompetence by resorting to the "national security" scare campaign - is so transparent that I don't think even the public is being fooled by it any more (polls stubbornly refusing to turn for the coalition - despite a lackluster opposition leader).

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

do we take it the lefites on here. WANT THE BOATS BACK.. WANT CARBON TAX BACK.. WANT A LIAR AND BACKSTABBER AND CHEATED AS PM... DO YOU REALLY.. BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WILL GET.. AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

All the big issues, ey cods?

red baron wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

Rumours of an early Federal Election continue to grow on the back of lacklustre performances from Bill Shorten. He continues to bumble and stumble as Leader of the Opposition.  The Liberals see this as an opportunity to seize the day. They would be foolish to ignore it.

It’s not the Libs, Red, it’s the PMO. Many Libs will lose their seats. This is all about Abbott saving his leadership.

If the Libs wanted a decisive victory, they’d ditch Abbott and start again.

Libs in marginal seats are very worried.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:21am: another term for Abbott with an increased majority. absolutely!!!!!!!!   can you imagine this lot omg the last win was bad enough they are still sulking...

Dont get me wrong, im not supporting Abbott,  Im just calling it. Labor cannot win with Shorten at the helm, hes toast.

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

the assassin is still there and so are some who hate his guts for what he did totally untrustworthy.. ask Paul Howes.

Irrelevant.

The PM can change every day, for all I care.

The important thing is that the current "government" is removed from office, as soon as possible.

Whoever ends up the leader is of no great concern.

May I remind you, cods, that the office of PM doesn't ever crack a mention in The Australian Constitution.  Don't sweat the small stuff.

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:28am: This is the worst example of a government this country has ever seen. Worse than Rudd and Gillard's shambles? Nah. Maybe the third worst, but the wooden spoon and runner-up go to those two (who gets which is debatable).

Gillards actual government wasnt a shambles, and theres the pity of it.

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

another term for Abbott with an increased majority.

Will be an utter disaster for the country.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:38am: do we take it the lefites on here. WANT THE BOATS BACK.. WANT CARBON TAX BACK.. WANT A LIAR AND BACKSTABBER AND CHEATED AS PM... DO YOU REALLY.. BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WILL GET.. AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT.. ;D ;D ;D ;D All the big issues, ey cods?

Their ONLY 'successes' - one of which involves abject stupidity, the other of which involves orchestrated and ongoing criminality.

Kat wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:56am: cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:38am: do we take it the lefites on here. WANT THE BOATS BACK.. WANT CARBON TAX BACK.. WANT A LIAR AND BACKSTABBER AND CHEATED AS PM... DO YOU REALLY.. BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WILL GET.. AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT.. ;D ;D ;D ;D All the big issues, ey cods? Their ONLY 'successes' - one of which involves abject stupidity, the other of which involves orchestrated and ongoing criminality.

            
                                        
                                                                           http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

do we take it the lefites on here. WANT THE BOATS BACK..

The boats are back  But now we are paying the smugglers.  How about we just treat refugees humanely?  We could fly them over.  No more boats.


cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

WANT CARBON TAX BACK..

Absolutely.  Removing it was one of the stupidest things this government ever did.


cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

WANT A LIAR AND BACKSTABBER AND CHEATED AS PM...

We have one at the moment.  What is the difference?


cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

DO YOU REALLY..

Yes.  Really


cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WILL GET.. AND WE WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good.

rhino wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25am: rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:21am: another term for Abbott with an increased majority. absolutely!!!!!!!!   can you imagine this lot omg the last win was bad enough they are still sulking... Dont get me wrong, im not supporting Abbott,  Im just calling it. Labor cannot win with Shorten at the helm, hes toast.

Agreed. I don’t care what the polls are, the electorate will not support Shorten as PM.

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:59am: cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25am: rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:21am: another term for Abbott with an increased majority. absolutely!!!!!!!!   can you imagine this lot omg the last win was bad enough they are still sulking... Dont get me wrong, im not supporting Abbott,  Im just calling it. Labor cannot win with Shorten at the helm, hes toast. Agreed. I don’t care what the polls are, the electorate will not support Shorten as PM.

I also agree. Sadly.

red baron wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

Rumours of an early Federal Election continue to grow on the back of lacklustre performances from Bill Shorten. He continues to bumble and stumble as Leader of the Opposition.  The Liberals see this as an opportunity to seize the day. They would be foolish to ignore it.

I've not heard any.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:12am: Rumours of an early Federal Election continue to grow on the back of lacklustre performances from Bill Shorten. He continues to bumble and stumble as Leader of the Opposition.  The Liberals see this as an opportunity to seize the day. They would be foolish to ignore it. I've not heard any.

Nobody has.

Abbott would be crazy to go early, every time Shorten is given a platform to speak he tears Abbott to shreds.

Abbott needs his Royal witch hunt to do its job first. While Shorten is there Abbott is in big trouble.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

red baron wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:12am: Rumours of an early Federal Election continue to grow ... I've not heard any.

Just red and his buddies gossiping at the Hatters Cafe in Katoomba.

There may be something in this

Abbotts mobs sending out letters based on Terrorism Emergency looking for donations

All Coalition MP's had their photos updated today at Credlins request

Shorten in the RC may present an opportunity

He is only two points behind Shorten in the polls.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

Cods, the killing season demonstrated internal party disunity. But the fact is good government by and large continued - despite the fights happening internally. This mob on the other hand has just been bad at governing. Policy on the run, no concept of good long term economic management, complete inability to negotiate with the senate. There efforts to distract from their economic incompetence by resorting to the "national security" scare campaign - is so transparent that I don't think even the public is being fooled by it any more (polls stubbornly refusing to turn for the coalition - despite a lackluster opposition leader).

Really Gandy...  good government?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Need I list all the debacles? ::) ::) ::)
The 2 worst governments I can recall...  this one was heading that way too, but it seems to have lifted its game a bit. 
Still a year plus to go and if they keep improving, they will more than likely be returned.

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:59am: cods wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25am: rhino wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:21am: another term for Abbott with an increased majority. absolutely!!!!!!!!   can you imagine this lot omg the last win was bad enough they are still sulking... Dont get me wrong, im not supporting Abbott,  Im just calling it. Labor cannot win with Shorten at the helm, hes toast. Agreed. I don’t care what the polls are, the electorate will not support Shorten as PM.

The pundits used to say the same thing about Abbott.

Yes, I for one do not think Bill is unelectable.

Once Abbott starts making election promises the public will remember the broken promises and back flips this Prime Minister has made since being elected....Who would ever believe anything Abbott says ever again???

:-? :-? :-?

Do you honestly think Bill has more credibility in that area Phil ::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Yes, I for one do not think Bill is unelectable.

Especially not now that Abbott has set the bar.


http://extremesportsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Limbo-Skating-3.jpg

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:56am: Cods, the killing season demonstrated internal party disunity. But the fact is good government by and large continued - despite the fights happening internally. This mob on the other hand has just been bad at governing. Policy on the run, no concept of good long term economic management, complete inability to negotiate with the senate. There efforts to distract from their economic incompetence by resorting to the "national security" scare campaign - is so transparent that I don't think even the public is being fooled by it any more (polls stubbornly refusing to turn for the coalition - despite a lackluster opposition leader). Really Gandy...  good government? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Need I list all the debacles? ::) ::) ::) The 2 worst governments I can recall...  this one was heading that way too, but it seems to have lifted its game a bit.  Still a year plus to go and if they keep improving, they will more than likely be returned.

The opinion polls are still bad news for the government. Typical recent poll figures are Coalition 48-ALP 52. Bob Hawke won in 1983 with a 2PP of 53%. The government may try their chances, but it would be a huge risk on current opinion polling.

On the prospects of an early election, the current possibilities are a House-only election or a double dissolution.

(1) House only election. I consider this unlikely because early elections that put the House out of step with the Senate are very rare. The last time there was an early House-only election was in 1963, when PM Menzies went to the poll early to obtain a more workable majority than the 2-seat majority he got in the 1961 election.

(2) Double dissolution. The PM has difficulty with the Senate, partly due to the inability to negotiate, and partly due to the diversity of the crossbench. A double dissolution election could resolve a perceived impasse, but it would be likely to end up with an even more diverse Senate due to the lower quotas for elections.

What cannot happen right now is a House and half-Senate election (the usual kind of election). The writs for a half Senate election cannot be issued more than 12 months before the expiration of the terms of the current Senators. The earliest a half-Senate election can be held in accordance with the Constitution is early August, 2016.

If an early election is being considered, IMO it's going to be a double dissolution election. What are the triggers for a DD election?

Didn't they set up the triggers in the first 12 months...  then decide it wasn't a good idea after the first budget sunk like the Titanic?

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Didn't they set up the triggers in the first 12 months...  then decide it wasn't a good idea after the first budget sunk like the Titanic?

How come you don't know?

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Didn't they set up the triggers in the first 12 months...  then decide it wasn't a good idea after the first budget sunk like the Titanic?

The failed measures from the 2014 Budget are probably the triggers that they would use. It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Didn't they set up the triggers in the first 12 months...  then decide it wasn't a good idea after the first budget sunk like the Titanic?

Yes Grendel but most pundits believe the Coalition will not want to deliver a third budget with a deteriorating economic outlook....The problem with the budget is mostly out of the Governments control such as commodity prices and reduced growth from our trading partners....Eventually Abbott will have to take responsibility for the decisions he has made!!!

::) ::) ::)

Abbott will not go for an election this early.  voters hate early elections and punish hem for it (just ask bob hawke in 1984).  Abbott doesnt have that many votes to play with so he wont go early unless the polls take a massive swing to his side and that appear unlikely.  I would tip an election early next year eg March and no earlier.  it is only 6 months early so no real biggie from the voters.  An early election at this time would probably lose him too many votes to win.

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Yes, I for one do not think Bill is unelectable.

Yes, Grendel, but you’re unbiased.

Bam wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year.

Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now.

The trigger for this latest rumour was the call by the PM for liberal MPs to update their profile photos with the PM:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/coalition-mps-photo-opportunity-could-signal-early-election/6572706

Personally, I think the argument that this government cannot afford to pass another budget this term is a strong one...

flip

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:53pm: It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year. Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now. The trigger for this latest rumour was the call by the PM for liberal MPs to update their profile photos with the PM: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/coalition-mps-photo-opportunity-could-signal-early-election/6572706 Personally, I think the argument that this government cannot afford to pass another budget this term is a strong one...

and you dont think he might have done that just to spook Labor?  He is pretty good at that.  He might spook them bade enough to have a bloodbath and leadership spill only to elect another unwinnable leader.

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:45pm: Didn't they set up the triggers in the first 12 months...  then decide it wasn't a good idea after the first budget sunk like the Titanic? How come you don't know?

Still failing comprehension I see Aussie... sigh ::)

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:31pm: Yes, I for one do not think Bill is unelectable. Yes, Grendel, but you’re unbiased.

YES karnal...  I am unbiased.
Comprehension problem or just plain TROLL stupidity, on your behalf, this time?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Abbott will not go for an election this early.

I agree, the poor opinion polling for the Coalition would stay Abbott's hand.


Quote:

voters hate early elections and punish hem for it (just ask bob hawke in 1984).

The 1984 election was not as early as people seem to think. The previous election was a double dissolution election. This means the Senators' terms were backdated to July 1, 1982 and the next election had to be held by July 1, 1985 to keep the House and Senate elections in step.

Every double dissolution election is always followed by another early Senate election. It is a consequence of section 13 of the Constitution. It is customary for the House to go to the polls at the same time. An early election after a double dissolution is therefore standard operating procedure.

Hawke could have gone as late as June, 1985, but no later.

Quote:

Abbott doesnt have that many votes to play with so he wont go early unless the polls take a massive swing to his side and that appear unlikely.  I would tip an election early next year eg March and no earlier.  it is only 6 months early so no real biggie from the voters.  An early election at this time would probably lose him too many votes to win.

You're wrong here. Any election before August, 2015 would have to be a House-only election because the writs for a half-Senate election cannot be issued more than 12 months before the expiration of the Senate terms. We haven't had an early election that put the House and Senate out of step since 1963.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:53pm: It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year. Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now.

He would have to run a very good campaign. He is also likely to lose, if the settled opinion polling is indicative of voters having made up their minds.

Abbott's hardly likely to talk down his chances publicly.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:31pm: Yes, I for one do not think Bill is unelectable. Especially not now that Abbott has set the bar. http://extremesportsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Limbo-Skating-3.jpg

10/10  :)

Bam wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:11pm: Abbott will not go for an election this early. I agree, the poor opinion polling for the Coalition would stay Abbott's hand. Quote: voters hate early elections and punish hem for it (just ask bob hawke in 1984). The 1984 election was not as early as people seem to think. The previous election was a double dissolution election. This means the Senators' terms were backdated to July 1, 1982 and the next election had to be held by July 1, 1985 to keep the House and Senate elections in step. Every double dissolution election is always followed by another early Senate election. It is a consequence of section 13 of the Constitution. It is customary for the House to go to the polls at the same time. An early election after a double dissolution is therefore standard operating procedure. Hawke could have gone as late as June, 1985, but no later. [quote]Abbott doesnt have that many votes to play with so he wont go early unless the polls take a massive swing to his side and that appear unlikely.  I would tip an election early next year eg March and no earlier.  it is only 6 months early so no real biggie from the voters.  An early election at this time would probably lose him too many votes to win.

You're wrong here. Any election before August, 2015 would have to be a House-only election because the writs for a half-Senate election cannot be issued more than 12 months before the expiration of the Senate terms. We haven't had an early election that put the House and Senate out of step since 1963.
[/quote]


something you might want to consider is why there is such speculation about an early election.  If so many knowledgeable people are saying it then perhaps you should consider that you position as espoused above may not be correct.  Im not saying you are wrong, but by their speculation, a lot of other people are and we all know a DD is not going to happen with current polls although the beauty of seeing the end of ricky Muir, David L and all of PUP would be a delight.

Bam wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:53pm: It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year. Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now. He would have to run a very good campaign. He is also likely to lose, if the settled opinion polling is indicative of voters having made up their minds. Abbott's hardly likely to talk down his chances publicly.

it is very rare for polling to be 'settled' this far out from an election. If that were the case, labor would have lost 60/40 nd abbott would have had a senate majority.  it is still only half way thru his term.  Way to early to be calling for 'settled polling' especially when only 4 months ago it was 43/57 and is now 49/51.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:53pm: It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year. Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now. The trigger for this latest rumour was the call by the PM for liberal MPs to update their profile photos with the PM: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/coalition-mps-photo-opportunity-could-signal-early-election/6572706 Personally, I think the argument that this government cannot afford to pass another budget this term is a strong one... and you dont think he might have done that just to spook Labor?  He is pretty good at that.  He might spook them bade enough to have a bloodbath and leadership spill only to elect another unwinnable leader.

And why on earth would labor be "spooked" by the prospect of an early election - they are pining for an early election - Shorten put all the branches on notice to prepare for a snap poll months ago.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:38pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:22pm: Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 5:53pm: It would be a very brave PM though who would call a DD election while 4 points or more behind in the opinion polls for most of the last year. Abbott is reportedly quoted as saying he could beat Shorten trailing 52-48 - which is where they are at now. The trigger for this latest rumour was the call by the PM for liberal MPs to update their profile photos with the PM: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/coalition-mps-photo-opportunity-could-signal-early-election/6572706 Personally, I think the argument that this government cannot afford to pass another budget this term is a strong one... and you dont think he might have done that just to spook Labor?  He is pretty good at that.  He might spook them bade enough to have a bloodbath and leadership spill only to elect another unwinnable leader. And why on earth would labor be "spooked" by the prospect of an early election - they are pining for an early election - Shorten put all the branches on notice to prepare for a snap poll months ago.

they certianly arent 'pining' now.  Their leader is about as popular as a turd and their poll lead has evaporated.  they would lose an election now by a solid majority.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

Their leader is about as popular as a turd ...

They both are.

Perhaps the AEC should redesign their polling booths.


http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site515/2011/0623/20110623__web_062211-kp-volunteer-1_400.jpg

This whole thread is nonsense -

Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down
if he thinks there will be an election soon.

Abbott and LW argued before the Last election that Abbott would go straight to a DD election and wipe the floor with labor a second time, Since the election that have done nothing but to run away from that commitment.

Early election - Funny Joke.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 7:37pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 6:11pm: Abbott will not go for an election this early. I agree, the poor opinion polling for the Coalition would stay Abbott's hand. Quote: voters hate early elections and punish hem for it (just ask bob hawke in 1984). The 1984 election was not as early as people seem to think. The previous election was a double dissolution election. This means the Senators' terms were backdated to July 1, 1982 and the next election had to be held by July 1, 1985 to keep the House and Senate elections in step. Every double dissolution election is always followed by another early Senate election. It is a consequence of section 13 of the Constitution. It is customary for the House to go to the polls at the same time. An early election after a double dissolution is therefore standard operating procedure. Hawke could have gone as late as June, 1985, but no later. [quote]Abbott doesnt have that many votes to play with so he wont go early unless the polls take a massive swing to his side and that appear unlikely.  I would tip an election early next year eg March and no earlier.  it is only 6 months early so no real biggie from the voters.  An early election at this time would probably lose him too many votes to win. You're wrong here. Any election before August, 2015 would have to be a House-only election because the writs for a half-Senate election cannot be issued more than 12 months before the expiration of the Senate terms. We haven't had an early election that put the House and Senate out of step since 1963.

something you might want to consider is why there is such speculation about an early election.  If so many knowledgeable people are saying it then perhaps you should consider that you position as espoused above may not be correct.  Im not saying you are wrong, but by their speculation, a lot of other people are and we all know a DD is not going to happen with current polls although the beauty of seeing the end of ricky Muir, David L and all of PUP would be a delight.[/quote]
You're assuming that none of them would be re-elected, despite the quotas for election at a double dissolution being only 7.69%.

It is likely that a double dissolution would see a crossbench that is as large and diverse as the current crossbench; the MPs may be different but the diversity would remain. Xenophon could get TWO running mates into Parliament with a 7.69% quota; he polled 25% at the last election, which would be three DD quotas. The last seat - or even last two seats - in each state would be a lottery.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon.

OK, that's it then.

Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:57pm: This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon. OK, that's it then. Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced.

And Abbott is too much of an honorable man to

take advantage of Shorten being muddied by a Royal commission.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:57pm: This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon. OK, that's it then. Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced. And Abbott is too much of an honorable man to take advantage of Shorten being muddied by a Royal commission.

Indeed.

He's a gentleman.

https://thedailytrash.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/puuting-the-n-back.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:57pm: This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon. OK, that's it then. Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced. And Abbott is too much of an honorable man to take advantage of Shorten being muddied by a Royal commission. Indeed. He's a gentleman. https://thedailytrash.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/puuting-the-n-back.jpg

And he wouldn't go to an election unless he could control the ABC -

ohh wait - he's sending in the Govt. to ask them hard questions.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:57pm: This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon. OK, that's it then. Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced. And Abbott is too much of an honorable man to take advantage of Shorten being muddied by a Royal commission. Indeed. He's a gentleman. https://thedailytrash.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/puuting-the-n-back.jpg And he wouldn't go to an election unless he could control the ABC - ohh wait - he's sending in the Govt. to ask them hard questions.

Shut down the ABC, and then call an election.

He's certainly putting that "n" in there.

What a gutless maggot.

Dear Greggy,
Abbott is a cunning wolf who senses easy prey in Shorten -

Abbott takes no prisoners.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Dear Greggy, Abbott is a cunning wolf who senses easy prey in Shorten - Abbott takes no prisoners.

Off with his head!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:17pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:57pm: This whole thread is nonsense - Abbott has already told Shorten to take a Bex & lie down if he thinks there will be an election soon. OK, that's it then. Abbott has never told a lie before, so I'm completely convinced. And Abbott is too much of an honorable man to take advantage of Shorten being muddied by a Royal commission. Indeed. He's a gentleman. https://thedailytrash.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/puuting-the-n-back.jpg And he wouldn't go to an election unless he could control the ABC - ohh wait - he's sending in the Govt. to ask them hard questions. Shut down the ABC, and then call an election. He's certainly putting that "n" in there. What a gutless maggot.

Given that it is near on impossible to get somebody to admit they voted Libs face to face it would be a modern day miracle if they still held more than a handful of seats come election time .

Setanta wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:46pm: Dear Greggy, Abbott is a cunning wolf who senses easy prey in Shorten - Abbott takes no prisoners. Off with his head!

Shorten is sounding too sanctimonious in parliament -

especially when he carried on about supporting Abbott's new laws on refugees.


Abbott senses a kill.

Shorten is proving everyday that he is that person who doesn't know what the PM said but whatever it was he agrees with her...
Seems they wind him up and trot him out to mouth the current tactic no matter how stupid it ends up being...  not much good judgement being shown at all in that behavior.

For the life of me I don't understand why the Labor Party doesn't put Anthony Albanese in charge. He has done the yards, he is clever and could easily mix it with Tony Abbott at a National level.

Bill Shorten is way, way out of his depth. It's one thing to be a puppeteer and cause axings of P.M.s and another entirely different animal to be the head of the food chain and the one the buck stops with.

Shorten is dismally short of ability and he is foundering big time.

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red baron wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

For the life of me I don't understand why the Labor Party doesn't put Anthony Albanese in charge. He has done the yards, he is clever and could easily mix it with Tony Abbott at a National level. Bill Shorten is way, way out of his depth. It's one thing to be a puppeteer and cause axings of P.M.s and another entirely different animal to be the head of the food chain and the one the buck stops with. Shorten is dismally short of ability and he is foundering big time.

Bill speaks quite well -
as I said

he's too sanctimonious in parliament -

as though he's the only person who has morals.

Morals?
Shorten?
:D :D :D
He's leader now.

Antony Green's blog has a discussion on an early election. He backs up my point about section 13 of the Constitution.

He also raises the interesting point that the only trigger for a double dissolution is a single piece of legislation (Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill) that has not actually been presented to the current Senate. If Abbott was to request a double dissolution, GG Cosgrove would be entitled to ask: why hasn't Abbott tried passing this legislation with the current Senate?

It also makes a mockery of the idea that the Senate has been obstructionist. Only one law has satisfied the conditions for a DD trigger, and none at all has satisfied the conditions for a DD trigger with the current Senate!

flip the page.

Bam wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

Antony Green's blog has a discussion on an early election. He backs up my point about section 13 of the Constitution. He also raises the interesting point that the only trigger for a double dissolution is a single piece of legislation (Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill) that has not actually been presented to the current Senate. If Abbott was to request a double dissolution, GG Cosgrove would be entitled to ask: why hasn't Abbott tried passing this legislation with the current Senate? It also makes a mockery of the idea that the Senate has been obstructionist. Only one law has satisfied the conditions for a DD trigger, and none at all has satisfied the conditions for a DD trigger with the current Senate!

Why does he need a Double Dissolution? He could simply go for the House of Reps with the intention of shoring off a challenge.

This would make his next term just as unproductive as the current one, but remember:

Good government starts today.

You go to a DD in the hopes of winning the election and garnering a majority in the Senate ::) ::) ::)

I don't see it happening with this government, there are severe trust issues.

Grendel wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

You go to a DD in the hopes of winning the election and garnering a majority in the Senate ::) ::) ::) I don't see it happening with this government, there are severe trust issues.

I don't see it happening either. There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. A half-Senate election cannot be held before 6 August 2016. An early election must therefore be for the House only, unless the Government obtains some DD triggers in the meantime.

After reading Green's assessment - which accords fairly closely with my own - I have to say the chances of an early election are unlikely.

Bam wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 3:29pm: There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288

26 Jun 2014 = OLD Senate.

This is not a bill that satisfies the requirements of Section 57 of the Constitution because this bill has not ever been presented to the current Senate. How can there be Senate "obstruction" with the current Senate if there are no bills that demonstrate this?

For that reason, Abbott would have a hard time convincing GG Cosgrove that a valid trigger exists.

Bam wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 11:01am: You go to a DD in the hopes of winning the election and garnering a majority in the Senate ::) ::) ::) I don't see it happening with this government, there are severe trust issues. I don't see it happening either. There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. A half-Senate election cannot be held before 6 August 2016. An early election must therefore be for the House only, unless the Government obtains some DD triggers in the meantime. After reading Green's assessment - which accords fairly closely with my own - I have to say the chances of an early election are unlikely.

I dont think ABbott cares about the senate election either way.  he cant get a majority, the GReens oppose almost anything and the indies are either stupid, crazy or both (excluding Mr X) and so the only thing he can do is keep labor out of majority in the lower house.  An early election could do that.

there is however a delicious 'out there' scenario.  Labor dumps Shorten after a short traditional public display of fighting and puts Plibersek in the job.  Libs polling goes to 55/45 immediately.  Abbott sends a bill to the senate to be rejected and then 90days later when the polls are 60/40 his way he has a DD where he gets control of both houses.

Admittedly, a rather unlikely event, but you can see the idiot lefty feminists lusting (?) after another woman leader to take them to destruction like the last one.  And if you thought Gillard was a little lacking in the class department in public, wait until you hear Plibersek in action!

Bam wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 3:29pm: There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288 26 Jun 2014 = OLD Senate. This is not a bill that satisfies the requirements of Section 57 of the Constitution because this bill has not ever been presented to the current Senate.

June 25, 2015

"The government has one trigger available for calling a double dissolution, the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill. This meets the simple requirement of Section 57 of the Constitution in having been defeated twice in the Senate with the necessary three month gap.

"However, both defeats occurred with the old Senate, before Senators elected at the 2013 election took their seats on 1 July 2014.

"The Constitutional lawyers will tell you this meets the requirements of Section 57 and would allow a double-dissolution to be called."

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2015/06/there-is-some-wild-speculation-about-an-early-election-but-there-are-several-problems-for-the-government-first-is-the-sena.html

Bam wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 3:29pm: There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288 26 Jun 2014 = OLD Senate. This is not a bill that satisfies the requirements of Section 57 of the Constitution because this bill has not ever been presented to the current Senate. How can there be Senate "obstruction" with the current Senate if there are no bills that demonstrate this? For that reason, Abbott would have a hard time convincing GG Cosgrove that a valid trigger exists.

If Abbott wanted a trigger it would be easy.  Just present a bill the senate would never pass - which isnt hard since there are so many to choose from.  The reason no trigger exists is becaue it is pointless to send a bill to the senate twice knowing it will be beaten unless you want a DD trigger.  And why would he want to do that when polls have him at only slightly in front of winning and no chance of changing the senate?  you might think Abbott is a fool but he very clearly is not - unlike Rudd who had TWO triggers and was afraid to use them.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:46pm: Dear Greggy, Abbott is a cunning wolf who senses easy prey in Shorten - Abbott takes no prisoners. Off with his head! Shorten is sounding too sanctimonious in parliament - especially when he carried on about supporting Abbott's new laws on refugees. Abbott senses a kill.

It was an obvious tatic from shorten that removed criticism about boats starting up again , how it became the second biggest issue pre election gives an indication just how bereft the public are of critical thought, probably DT subscribers , they aint the sharpest tools in shed  ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 3:29pm: There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288 26 Jun 2014 = OLD Senate. This is not a bill that satisfies the requirements of Section 57 of the Constitution because this bill has not ever been presented to the current Senate. How can there be Senate "obstruction" with the current Senate if there are no bills that demonstrate this? For that reason, Abbott would have a hard time convincing GG Cosgrove that a valid trigger exists. If Abbott wanted a trigger it would be easy.  Just present a bill the senate would never pass - which isnt hard since there are so many to choose from.  The reason no trigger exists is becaue it is pointless to send a bill to the senate twice knowing it will be beaten unless you want a DD trigger.  And why would he want to do that when polls have him at only slightly in front of winning and no chance of changing the senate?  you might think Abbott is a fool but he very clearly is not - unlike Rudd who had TWO triggers and was afraid to use them.

Aborts just prolonging the inevitable , come election time sloppy double the deficit , i am gay pyne and a raft of other lib under achievers are gone . Even the retards in warringah couldnt be that daft a second time .

Its time wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 4:48pm: Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 3:29pm: There is no demonstrable Senate obstruction to justify a DD election. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r5288 26 Jun 2014 = OLD Senate. This is not a bill that satisfies the requirements of Section 57 of the Constitution because this bill has not ever been presented to the current Senate. How can there be Senate "obstruction" with the current Senate if there are no bills that demonstrate this? For that reason, Abbott would have a hard time convincing GG Cosgrove that a valid trigger exists. If Abbott wanted a trigger it would be easy.  Just present a bill the senate would never pass - which isnt hard since there are so many to choose from.  The reason no trigger exists is becaue it is pointless to send a bill to the senate twice knowing it will be beaten unless you want a DD trigger.  And why would he want to do that when polls have him at only slightly in front of winning and no chance of changing the senate?  you might think Abbott is a fool but he very clearly is not - unlike Rudd who had TWO triggers and was afraid to use them. Aborts just prolonging the inevitable , come election time sloppy double the deficit , i am gay pyne and a raft of other lib under achievers are gone . Even the retards in warringah couldnt be that daft a second time .

isnt it time for you to tell us all about how you think the moon-landing is a conspiracy?  that would be in keeping with the rubbish you just wrote.

early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on
a) bring back the carbon tax
b) increase capital gains tax
c) reduce negative gearing
d) start the boats arriving again
e) "let the spending begin!!!!"


you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen.

I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

John Smith wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:49pm:

early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's a comforting thought, at least.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

there is however a delicious 'out there' scenario.  Labor dumps Shorten after a short traditional public display of fighting and puts Plibersek in the job.  Libs polling goes to 55/45 immediately.  Abbott sends a bill to the senate to be rejected and then 90days later when the polls are 60/40 his way he has a DD where he gets control of both houses. Admittedly, a rather unlikely event, but you can see the idiot lefty feminists lusting (?) after another woman leader to take them to destruction like the last one.  And if you thought Gillard was a little lacking in the class department in public, wait until you hear Plibersek in action!

What a pile of delusional crap.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

A) we had 4.5 billion worth of new projects in the pipeline because of CT , not to mention it was singular most important piece of legislation in 100 years for humanity, 15 bucks a year in power bills or 2.40 per billing quarter , STILL waiting for my 535 bucks.

B) im not up to speed

C) as an investor with a property portfolio i can write off my obscene salary so tbh i donate a fair whack to charity anyway and will just donate the what ever they hit me up with to the homeless.

D) your an idiot Labor are supporting the loophole on manus , a political move obviously, that annoys me immensely .

E) the economic messiahs have doubled the budget deficit, in one i repeat one i repeat i repeat ONE YEAR

Bam wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:34pm: there is however a delicious 'out there' scenario.  Labor dumps Shorten after a short traditional public display of fighting and puts Plibersek in the job.  Libs polling goes to 55/45 immediately.  Abbott sends a bill to the senate to be rejected and then 90days later when the polls are 60/40 his way he has a DD where he gets control of both houses. Admittedly, a rather unlikely event, but you can see the idiot lefty feminists lusting (?) after another woman leader to take them to destruction like the last one.  And if you thought Gillard was a little lacking in the class department in public, wait until you hear Plibersek in action! What a pile of delusional crap.

I did say it was a highly unlikely event, but in the case of Plibersek taking over, do you really dispute that she would make labor completely unelectable?

Its time wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. A) we had 4.5 billion worth of new projects in the pipeline because of CT , not to mention it was singular most important piece of legislation in 100 years for humanity, 15 bucks a year in power bills or 2.40 per billing quarter , STILL waiting for my 535 bucks. B) im not up to speed C) as an investor with a property portfolio i can write off my obscene salary so tbh i donate a fair whack to charity anyway and will just donate the what ever they hit me up with to the homeless. D) your an idiot Labor are supporting the loophole on manus , a political move obviously, that annoys me immensely . E) the economic messiahs have doubled the budget deficit, in one i repeat one i repeat i repeat ONE YEAR

the highlighted bit is what completely discredits you and everything you have to say.  carbon tax the most important legislation EVER?????   wow, are you dumb.

Its time wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. A) we had 4.5 billion worth of new projects in the pipeline because of CT , not to mention it was singular most important piece of legislation in 100 years for humanity, 15 bucks a year in power bills or 2.40 per billing quarter , STILL waiting for my 535 bucks. B) im not up to speed C) as an investor with a property portfolio i can write off my obscene salary so tbh i donate a fair whack to charity anyway and will just donate the what ever they hit me up with to the homeless. D) your an idiot Labor are supporting the loophole on manus , a political move obviously, that annoys me immensely . E) the economic messiahs have doubled the budget deficit, in one i repeat one i repeat i repeat ONE YEAR

and completely avoiding the six prior years when they inherited a SURPLUS and turned it into a deficit in ONE YEAR.

try again, drongo.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

keep dreaming longie ... labors advertising campaign is already set .

All they have to do is replay footage of abbott making a  promises followed by abbott breaking his promises (or trying to) ... no one has to say or do anything else.

or remind the public that if by some miracle abbott did win, he would claim that as a mandate for scraping medicare and selling the ABC

:D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. keep dreaming longie ... labors advertising campaign is already set . All they have to do is replay footage of abbott making a  promises followed by abbott breaking his promises (or trying to) ... no one has to say or do anything else. or remind the public that if by some miracle abbott did win, he would claim that as a mandate for scraping medicare and selling the ABC :D :D :D

yep... the abbott lies will be a great set of ads.    but the return of the boats and the return  of the carbon tax and mining tax will be even better.  and remember,  Labor has now decided to reduce negative gearing and increase capital gains tax.  I bet that excites you. 

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

e) "let the spending begin!!!!"

Funny since the Liberal government have increased spending from the Labor Level.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

d) start the boats arriving again


Unfortunately it seems that Labor will keep the current policies in place.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two.

a) bring back the carbon tax

No indication that this is true but Funny that you talk about tax when the Liberals have increased tax on anything they could get away with.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. keep dreaming longie ... labors advertising campaign is already set . All they have to do is replay footage of abbott making a  promises followed by abbott breaking his promises (or trying to) ... no one has to say or do anything else. or remind the public that if by some miracle abbott did win, he would claim that as a mandate for scraping medicare and selling the ABC :D :D :D yep... the abbott lies will be a great set of ads.    but the return of the boats and the return  of the carbon tax and mining tax will be even better.  and remember,  Labor has now decided to reduce negative gearing and increase capital gains tax.  I bet that excites you.

Labor will back the current boat turnback policy , tony wont be getting any mileage from that issue

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing

These would be bad because ... ?

Abbott can't win: he has the copper internet for a spine!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Abbott can't win: he has the copper internet for a spine!

Ohaha. Do you care about anything other than copper internet, Mr Horse?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. keep dreaming longie ... labors advertising campaign is already set . All they have to do is replay footage of abbott making a  promises followed by abbott breaking his promises (or trying to) ... no one has to say or do anything else. or remind the public that if by some miracle abbott did win, he would claim that as a mandate for scraping medicare and selling the ABC :D :D :D yep... the abbott lies will be a great set of ads.    but the return of the boats and the return  of the carbon tax and mining tax will be even better.  and remember,  Labor has now decided to reduce negative gearing and increase capital gains tax.  I bet that excites you.

I don't really care about negative gearing or capital gains tax, I don't own and investment properties so it won't affect me.
Just imagine, when labor will bring back the carbon tax AND save people $550 a year. The people will flock to labor

;D ;D ;D ;D

Its time wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:51pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 28th, 2015 at 7:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 5:49pm: early, late, it won't matter .... next election will be abbotts last.  ;D ;D ;D ;D dream on.  the polls are already 49/51 which puts abbott slightly ahead for a win already.  and thats before we have the embarassment of Shorten and Labor campaigning on a) bring back the carbon tax b) increase capital gains tax c) reduce negative gearing d) start the boats arriving again e) "let the spending begin!!!!" you dnot think that is 3-5% worth of swing to the Libs in that alone?  And that is assuming Shorten doesnt divorce anyone, get accused of something corrupt/criminal or make a general fool ofhimself - some of which you KNOW will happen. I predict Abbott to win 52/48 and lose a handful of seats but probably gain a senate seat or two. keep dreaming longie ... labors advertising campaign is already set . All they have to do is replay footage of abbott making a  promises followed by abbott breaking his promises (or trying to) ... no one has to say or do anything else. or remind the public that if by some miracle abbott did win, he would claim that as a mandate for scraping medicare and selling the ABC :D :D :D yep... the abbott lies will be a great set of ads.    but the return of the boats and the return  of the carbon tax and mining tax will be even better.  and remember,  Labor has now decided to reduce negative gearing and increase capital gains tax.  I bet that excites you.  Labor will back the current boat turnback policy , tony wont be getting any mileage from that issue

and you think anyone will believe Shorten?  the man is a terrible liar plus his policies are basically whatever he needs to say to get elected.  The unions will tell him to stop the turnbacks as soon as he wins... which is why he wont win.