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Hey Stratos I know you have multiple personalities but you should apologise to the forum for you alter ego chimp_logic.

Dear Ajax,

Why does Tony Abbott insist on believing that Australians want fossil fuels incorporated to be allowed to warm the earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 ???

;) ;)

hairy arse, hairy arse where art thou hairy arse.

Back in three days....and counting....!!!!

So you stupid chimp are you any wiser taking the month off.

So Ajax is finally admitting he's a masochist.

Marla wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

So Ajax is finally admitting he's a masochist.

Miss Muffet you really must be a cork head.

Chimp and I are arch rivals in the debate on anthropogenic global warming.

Where on earth have you pulled out sex gratification through pain.....................................??????

If its because I'm refering to his hairy arse you have a wicked mind Miss Muffet................ 8-) ;D :-X

I could have used any number of derogative phrases, like maggot mouth, bannana breath, red arse etc etc.

Ajax wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Chimp and I are arch rivals in the debate on anthropogenic global warming.

And each time he kicks your ignorant butt with facts instead of made up unicorn theory so-called scientists who are either on big oil or the Koch Brothers payroll of propaganda.

Truth is, you must long for his academic beat downs.

Marla wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 3:23am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Chimp and I are arch rivals in the debate on anthropogenic global warming.

Miss Muffet you really have to take the blinkers off, when the cigarette corporations employed doubt artists to trick the world that cigarettes didn't cause cancer that's what these artists played the doubt card cause that's all they had.

The sceptical scientists are not presenting doubt but facts in the way of observed data.

List is so big where should we start.

1. In all our history even when we had 7000ppm in the atmosphere, CO2 has never controlled temperature here on Earth.

2. The only evidence the IPCC and other alarmist organisations have is in their computer climate models.

3. A major fingerprint of the IPCC models is that the tropopause should have a hot spot about 12 kilometres from sea level.
Real world observations like weather balloons ans satellite data have failed to detect this hot spot.

http://joannenova.com.au/

4. So then the alarmists started to say that the missing heat is in the oceans, first the top 700 metres then the deep ocean down to 2000-3000 metres.

The argo system has been in place since 2002 and while it has recorded a warming of the oceans its nowehere near what the computer models of the alarmists says it should be. If by chance you know where this missing heat is we're all ears.

5. What about the dishonesty of the IPCC and Michael Mann getting rid of the medieval warm period and the mini ice age in his hockey stick, the medieval warm period was at least as hot as today, proving climate has cycles, where it warms and cools.

a. 30-years of global cooling from 1880 to 1910
b. 30-years of global warming from 1910 to 1940
c. 30-years of global cooling from 1940 to 1970
d. 30-years of global warming from 1970 to 2000

In one paper out the next

6. What about climate gate, if that doesn't convince you nothing else will. See here

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf

7. What about the fact that the alarmists are so polarised and have even called for the death penalty for scientist that are sceptical does this not ring alarm bells for you...??????
Is this science..??? shouldn't science be sceptical until proven,,,!!!!!

8. What about all the observations of the IPCC 1990 report about the now here in 2015, wow did they get it wrong but why aren't we hearing about this in the news, their temperature is way over what real world observations are being recorded, and the Maldives should now be under water, HUH.....!!!!!!

In accordance with their predictions any normal science community would say well boys and girls we presented our theory did our calculations and they don't match real world observations, therefore back to the drafting board, we are wrong and we'll start again.

9. What about the fact that every time their are natural disasters the alarmists blame it on climate change, you should have heard some of the outrageous, things said here in Australia. Scare tactics for the unsuspecting, alarm bells should be ringing here too!!!

If its real no need for drama...????

10. What about the fact that banks and bankers are financing the anthropogenic global warming religion to start a $2 trillion dollar carbon deravites market, where instead of reducing manmade CO2, they will increase it to keep this market healthy, they know full well CO2 dosent control temperature here on Earth.

Eventually thing like our superannuation will find its way into this market then who would want to see it collapse..??

11. The melting of the arctic has happened before, see bottom of post titled,

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

2 posts down.

There are so many more but I think I have the main ones, now do you want to see your children and grand children funding the world banks deratives market through carbon taxes and Emission trading schemes for the air they breath.

Cause that's what its all about taxing us on the air we breath....LOL

Miss Muffet look like you need to reassess all things in this world and never stop doing so.

Yeah sure so what the Kotch brothers may have tried and are still trying to knock AGW religion of its pedestal, but the facts are there now for all to see its not all based on doubt like the cigarettes.

Its based on FACTS from real world data...!!!

Medieval warm period warmer than today.
Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale (NO), (11,000 years)

Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-history-a-look-at-multiple-timescales-in-the-context-of-the-shakun-et-al-paper/

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)

(NO) , It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

WARNING ! This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.

Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-history-a-look-at-multiple-timescales-in-the-context-of-the-shakun-et-al-paper/

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale (NO) , (millions of years)

Graph-3

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

(4).....Lately

September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

May 1947 - arctic melting
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&searchLimits=

November 1922 - arctic melting
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Raspopov et al 2013
Turner et al 2014
Misios and Schmidt 2014
Gray et al. 2014
Florides et al. 2013
Patterson et al. 2013
Steinhilber and Beer 2013
Miyake et al. 2013
Gil-Alana et al. 2013
Laken and Calogovic 2013
de Jager and Nieuwenhuijzen 2013
Wirth et al. 2013
Phipps et al. 2013
Burn and Palmer 2013
Magny et al. 2013
Roth and Joos 2013
Lockwood 2013
Scafetta 2013
Love, 2013
Roy 2013
Scafetta 2013
van Geel and Ziegler 2013
Anet et al. 2013
El Bilali et al. 2013
Schultz 2013
Galloway et al. 2013
NAS 2012
Wen et al. 2013
Gómez-Navarro and Zorita 2013
Lu, 2012.
Asmerom et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013
Van Oldenborgh et al. 2013
Matthes et al. 2013
Meehl et al. 2013
YuXin et al. 2013
Usoskin et al. 2013
Thomas et. El. 2013
Jackson and Foster 2013
Kobashi et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013
Hervé et al. in press
Frezotti et al. 2013
Nagaya et al. 2012
Gu et al. 2012
Di Rita 2013
Patterson et al. in press
Heredia and Elias 2013
Charbonneau 2013
Tung and Zhou 2013
Kern et al. 2013
Chen et al. 2013
Wang & Su 2013
Clete and Lefevre 2012
Dietrich et al. 2013
Bleicher, 2013
Scaife et al. 2013
Bochnicek et al. 2012
Czymzik et al. 2013

Did the Kotch brothers fabricate all this data Miss Muffet..????

Did the Kocth brothers fabricate the stories of the arctic melting in 1922, 1940's & 1950's Miss Muffet....????

Lets wait and see what your hero maggot mouth has to say hey Miss Muffet.....????

Ajax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

The argo system has been in place since 2002 and while it has recorded a warming of the oceans its nowehere near what the computer models of the alarmists says it should be. If by chance you know where this missing heat is we're all ears.

The Argo data now shows warming of 0.023C/decade. But that of course is only since Josh Willis, of NASA, saw that the Argo buoys were showing cooling. That couldn't be right; so he applied some adjustments to show warming.

lee wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

Thanks Lee, so unless the alarmists fabricate something they haven't got a leg to stand on....LOL

Ajax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

http://joannenova.com.au/

Bat Boy, how many times do I need to explain this to you: that site is heavily funded by Koch.

Marla wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:08am:

Bat Boy, how many times do I need to explain this to you: that site is heavily funded by Koch.

Can we have some PROOF of that? Not that I doubt your word, you understand; but proof would be nice.

Marla wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:08am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

http://joannenova.com.au/

Bat Boy, how many times do I need to explain this to you: that site is heavily funded by Koch.

Now I know that you really are a TWIT and ad homs are about as deep as you can get into the debate on AGW.

Miss Muffet the girl who puts all her trust in the computer climate models of the IPCC.

All that data under your nose from legit sources and all you can sight is some ad hom about one of the sites.

Which by the way is WRONG....!!!

What a w@nker you are Miss Muffet......!!!!

Marla wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:08am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

http://joannenova.com.au/

Bat Boy, how many times do I need to explain this to you: that site is heavily funded by Koch.

Wonder what billions and billions of tax payers money gets you?

Oh, the answer is easy, the global warming scare :D :D

Grant junky government 'scientists' and a complicit media.

And the brain dead 'useful idiots' sprout and bleat about the Koch Bros....who the heck are these guys anyway?

Ajax the Clown has been busy whilst I was on my sabbatical I see

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 1:49am:

Ajax the Clown has been busy whilst I was on my sabbatical I see

Well come back hairy arse, hope you had a good holiday but don't expect me to address you as professor or sir...!!!???....LOL..... 8-)

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 1:49am:

Ajax the Clown has been busy whilst I was on my sabbatical I see

Welcome back Dr Chimp. I was away too.

....I have almost finished my novel, but the last few chapters are proving to be a very hard slog ladies and gentlemen.

I achieved a lot during my sabbatical - attending a very comprehensive novel writing workshop with some friends.

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