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It’s difficult to say anything for sure about Antarctica because the weather is so variable. Bumper snow one year, not so much the next. (Noise and uncertainty is large). But 800 years of ice cores spread across Antarctica shows the Surface Mass Balance (SMB) is more likely to have been increasing over the last century. (Which fits with what Zwally et al found in 2012 with ICESAT satellite data). Note the correlation of the smoothed average of the SMB (orange line) with Total Solar Irradiance (green line). [quote]H/t: HockeySchtick and Jaymez “ A paper published today in The Cryosphere finds Antarctica has been gaining surface ice and snow accumulation over the past 150+ years, and finds acceleration in some areas noting, “a clear increase in accumulation of more than 10% has occurred in high Surface Mass Balance coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s.” They used 67 firn/ice core records to reconstruct the last 800 years.

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraordinary-compared-to-800-years-of-data/

From this paper we can see:
1.Over 800 years, Antarctic ice changes all the time, but current rates of change are not unusual. The surface mass balance (SMB) “changes over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible.” The  “current SMB is not exceptionally high compared to the last 800 yr.”
2.The times with highest accumulation (1370s and 1610s) match records of solar radiation.
3.Since 1960 the ice and snow accumulation has increased by 10% in high SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic divide.




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Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

[quote]It’s difficult to say anything for sure about Antarctica......

:D ;D :D ;D

....business as usual - nothing to see here - move along ladies and gentlemen - corporate fossil fuel profits to be made, wars to profit from - move along...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EoUAECpjixw/UOFXp1icoyI/AAAAAAAAC5c/V4HinwBquj0/s1600/20121230_Icesheet_mass_balance_2009_fig2.gif

...wow, Greenland seems to be behaving in a similar manner - wow Ajax is WRONG and spreading BS again.

yes, Antarctica definitely gaining ice mass - no doubt about it

http://www.feedbackreigns.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/graph-ice-mass-antarctic-nasa.gif

"Yet another Antarctic ice mass is becoming destabilized, scientists report"

May 22 2015

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/22/yet-another-antarctic-ice-mass-is-becoming-destabilized-scientists-report/

'This 2014 study is based on correcting the GRACE gravity ice mass measurements of Antarctica and comparing their result and with other related studies and why they may differ. '

http://takvera.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/antarctic-ice-mass-accelerating.html

But I thought GRACE was fantastic. Why the need for corrections?

Ah, No. The washington post - we are doomed, doomed I tell you.

You really flounder when you get caught with your pants down don't you chimp......... :-? ::) :P :-[

Washington post!!!!! ahhh now there a science journal hey chimp...LOL.... 8-)

Well lap this up you flee ridden smelly ape.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2n04vmf.jpg
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraordinary-compared-to-800-years-of-data/



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A synthesis of the Antarctic surface mass balance during the last 800 yr M. Frezzotti1, C. Scarchilli1, S. Becagli2, M. Proposito1, and S. Urbini3 1ENEA, Agenzia Nazionale per le nuove tecnologie, l'energia e lo sviluppo sostenibile, Rome, Italy 2Department of Chemistry, University of Florence, Sesto F.no, Italy 3INGV, Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia,, Rome, Italy Abstract. Global climate models suggest that Antarctic snowfall should increase in a warming climate and mitigate rises in the sea level. Several processes affect surface mass balance (SMB), introducing large uncertainties in past, present and future ice sheet mass balance. To provide an extended perspective on the past SMB of Antarctica, we used 67 firn/ice core records to reconstruct the temporal variability in the SMB over the past 800 yr and, in greater detail, over the last 200 yr. Our SMB reconstructions indicate that the SMB changes over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible and that the current SMB is not exceptionally high compared to the last 800 yr. High-accumulation periods have occurred in the past, specifically during the 1370s and 1610s. However, a clear increase in accumulation of more than 10% has occurred in high SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s. To explain the differences in behaviour between the coastal/ice divide sites and the rest of Antarctica, we suggest that a higher frequency of blocking anticyclones increases the precipitation at coastal sites, leading to the advection of moist air in the highest areas, whereas blowing snow and/or erosion have significant negative impacts on the SMB at windy sites. Eight hundred years of stacked records of the SMB mimic the total solar irradiance during the 13th and 18th centuries. The link between those two variables is probably indirect and linked to a teleconnection in atmospheric circulation that forces complex feedback between the tropical Pacific and Antarctica via the generation and propagation of a large-scale atmospheric wave train. http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/new-paper-finds-antarctica-has-been.html

lee wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

'This 2014 study is based on correcting the GRACE gravity ice mass measurements of Antarctica and comparing their result and with other related studies and why they may differ. ' http://takvera.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/antarctic-ice-mass-accelerating.html But I thought GRACE was fantastic. Why the need for corrections?

"John Englart (born 1955), pseudonym Takver, is an Australian citizen journalist, photojournalist, Videographer and blogger from Melbourne."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Englart
Well he seems to be an expert at climate change, don't he??

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

You really flounder when you get caught with your pants down don't you chimp......... :-? ::) :P :-[ Washington post!!!!! ahhh now there a science journal hey chimp...LOL.... 8-) Well lap this up you flee ridden smelly ape. http://i62.tinypic.com/2n04vmf.jpg http://joannenova.com.au/2013/04/antarctica-gaining-ice-mass-and-is-not-extraordinary-compared-to-800-years-of-data/ Quote: A synthesis of the Antarctic surface mass balance during the last 800 yr M. Frezzotti1, C. Scarchilli1, S. Becagli2, M. Proposito1, and S. Urbini3 1ENEA, Agenzia Nazionale per le nuove tecnologie, l'energia e lo sviluppo sostenibile, Rome, Italy 2Department of Chemistry, University of Florence, Sesto F.no, Italy 3INGV, Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia,, Rome, Italy Abstract. Global climate models suggest that Antarctic snowfall should increase in a warming climate and mitigate rises in the sea level. Several processes affect surface mass balance (SMB), introducing large uncertainties in past, present and future ice sheet mass balance. To provide an extended perspective on the past SMB of Antarctica, we used 67 firn/ice core records to reconstruct the temporal variability in the SMB over the past 800 yr and, in greater detail, over the last 200 yr. Our SMB reconstructions indicate that the SMB changes over most of Antarctica are statistically negligible and that the current SMB is not exceptionally high compared to the last 800 yr. High-accumulation periods have occurred in the past, specifically during the 1370s and 1610s. However, a clear increase in accumulation of more than 10% has occurred in high SMB coastal regions and over the highest part of the East Antarctic ice divide since the 1960s. To explain the differences in behaviour between the coastal/ice divide sites and the rest of Antarctica, we suggest that a higher frequency of blocking anticyclones increases the precipitation at coastal sites, leading to the advection of moist air in the highest areas, whereas blowing snow and/or erosion have significant negative impacts on the SMB at windy sites. Eight hundred years of stacked records of the SMB mimic the total solar irradiance during the 13th and 18th centuries. The link between those two variables is probably indirect and linked to a teleconnection in atmospheric circulation that forces complex feedback between the tropical Pacific and Antarctica via the generation and propagation of a large-scale atmospheric wave train. http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/new-paper-finds-antarctica-has-been.html

The yellow smoothing line seems to be blocking out the 1990s.....

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

Ajax wrote on May 29th, 2015 at 5:24pm: [quote]It’s difficult to say anything for sure about Antarctica...... :D ;D :D ;D ....business as usual - nothing to see here - move along ladies and gentlemen - corporate fossil fuel profits to be made, wars to profit from - move along... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EoUAECpjixw/UOFXp1icoyI/AAAAAAAAC5c/V4HinwBquj0/s1600/20121230_Icesheet_mass_balance_2009_fig2.gif ...wow, Greenland seems to be behaving in a similar manner - wow Ajax is WRONG and spreading BS again.

The definition of exponentiality is a regular doubling period!

You don't want to see images ever resembling such a thing.

http://i57.tinypic.com/ff1p3b.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/2mdi8uc.png



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Antarctic Sea Ice record high — 600,000km2 more than previous record Despite all the “missing heat” hiding somewhere in the oceans, the extent of the Antarctic Sea Ice today is at a record high of 16.8 million square kilometers. In the Southern Hemisphere the record is 600,000 square kilometers more than has ever been recorded by satellites which began tracking the sea-ice extent in 1979 when CO2 was 336ppm. Atmospheric carbon dioxide has risen 20% globally since then and current global sea ice extent is slightly above than the average from 1978 -2008. The previous largest extent was 16.22 million km2 in 2012. This may not be the peak this year. Watch the chart with me this week. The Antarctic Sea Ice usually reaches its annual peak the week after the Spring Equinox. Though it may peak as late as October 9th, as it did last year. Read the rest here http://joannenova.com.au/2014/09/antarctic-sea-ice-record-high-600000km2-more-than-previous-record/

And yet the Antarctic  ice remote stations for scientists can't be
supplied with food & other essentials because the sea ice is too great -  go figure that dear Chimp one.

He's an easy target because he's away for a month.

Since when was area the same as mass?

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

He's an easy target because he's away for a month. Since when was area the same as mass?

Johno are you saying that even though the area as measured by satelites is increasing the mass is decreasing.....?????

How can this be.......????????

For the mass to decrease that means there would be no new ice forming around the edges.

Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass.......!!!!!!!!

Ajax wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass.......!!!!!!!!

;D ;D ;D

Ajax wrote on Jun 7^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 1:14pm: He's an easy target because he's away for a month. Since when was area the same as mass? Johno are you saying that even though the area as measured by satelites is increasing the mass is decreasing.....????? How can this be.......???????? For the mass to decrease that means there would be no new ice forming around the edges. Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass.......!!!!!!!!

the crack your smoking should be made illegal  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 1:12am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 2:34pm: John_Taverner wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 1:14pm: He's an easy target because he's away for a month. Since when was area the same as mass? Johno are you saying that even though the area as measured by satelites is increasing the mass is decreasing.....????? How can this be.......???????? For the mass to decrease that means there would be no new ice forming around the edges. Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass.......!!!!!!!! the crack your smoking should be made illegal  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass......."

Why would one need to be on crack to deduce that ?

Because it's an obvious non sequitur.

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Because it's an obvious non sequitur.

Rubbish......are you saying that even though ice is building around the edges the main core would be melting.....?????

You sir live in fairy land....the Al Gore school of climatology.

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 8:53am: Because it's an obvious non sequitur. Rubbish......are you saying that even though ice is building around the edges the main core would be melting.....????? You sir live in fairy land....the Al Gore school of climatology.

You, sir come from the Christopher Monckton Chocolate factory. Where do you think the sea ice is coming from?

This has been explained to you time and time again, but you never listen.

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 9:41am: John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 8:53am: Because it's an obvious non sequitur. Rubbish......are you saying that even though ice is building around the edges the main core would be melting.....????? You sir live in fairy land....the Al Gore school of climatology. You, sir come from the Christopher Monckton Chocolate factory. Where do you think the sea ice is coming from? This has been explained to you time and time again, but you never listen.

Well its certainly not coming from the areas that are increasing on their peripheries now is it........???????

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 1:12am: Ajax wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 2:34pm: John_Taverner wrote on Jun 7th, 2015 at 1:14pm: He's an easy target because he's away for a month. Since when was area the same as mass? Johno are you saying that even though the area as measured by satelites is increasing the mass is decreasing.....????? How can this be.......???????? For the mass to decrease that means there would be no new ice forming around the edges. Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass.......!!!!!!!! the crack your smoking should be made illegal  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "Logic tells us that if ice is increasing on the edges the main core must be either at a status quo or maybe even increasing its mass......." Why would one need to be on crack to deduce that ?

Because there are different ways in which ice is made ... but still you want me to do some more of your homework don't you buddy  :D :D

..all the lib voters have got is shady indirect argument until the kids realise mummy and daddy had them for no reason and are called blue-bloods for a reason!

Hence Abbott forever being associated with the argument that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and that the university from the state that floats the nation should soil it's good name to support this argument  :D :D :D :D :D THAT WAS HILARIOUS WHEN THE STAFF AND STUDENTS TOLD THE NATION VERY PUBLICLY THAT THIS PM HAS GRAVITAS AND THAT ALL LIB VOTERS ARE SIMPLY LEGENDS IN THEIR OWN LUNCH BOXES :D :D :D :D

http://i61.tinypic.com/34s2f7k.png

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 9:59am: Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 9:41am: John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 8:53am: Because it's an obvious non sequitur. Rubbish......are you saying that even though ice is building around the edges the main core would be melting.....????? You sir live in fairy land....the Al Gore school of climatology. You, sir come from the Christopher Monckton Chocolate factory. Where do you think the sea ice is coming from? This has been explained to you time and time again, but you never listen. Well its certainly not coming from the areas that are increasing on their peripheries now is it........???????

The name THERMOHALINE (remember me telling you and your shite-breathing child hating mates how consensus starts with nomenclature   ::)) indicates complexity.

It's all process i.e. shape forms in time.

Entropy means even man made system breaks  ;) ;) :o

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Well its certainly not coming from the areas that are increasing on their peripheries now is it........???????

So you have a proudly 2 dimensional view of the Antarctic?

sure thing cerberus
http://i60.tinypic.com/dgkw36.jpg

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:01am: Well its certainly not coming from the areas that are increasing on their peripheries now is it........??????? So you have a proudly 2 dimensional view of the Antarctic?

I have good grip on dimensions Johno, 3D etc.

You lot are such weasels twisting words around is that what the church of climatology teaches you....????

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

http://i61.tinypic.com/34s2f7k.png

Ajax still refuses to believe CO2 dictates how much water vapour there is because then no victim will ever allow Bjorn Lomborg to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 after the climate system has been admitted to follow complex behaviour by fossil fools incorporated itself.

Can't have that now can we Ajax ??

:D :D :D

They're not paying you in real high quality boring crack for nothing are they buddy

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:53am: Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:01am: Well its certainly not coming from the areas that are increasing on their peripheries now is it........??????? So you have a proudly 2 dimensional view of the Antarctic? I have good grip on dimensions Johno, 3D etc. You lot are such weasels twisting words around is that what the church of climatology teaches you....????

What does Ajax know about the thermohaline cycle?

Does Ajax know why the Northern hemisphere is warmer than the Southern?

In about the 1600s they had their suspicions that the NH was warmer than the SH but Ajax pretends none of us know any of this...  ;D ;D

Is Ajax still going to pretend CO2 doesn't dictate water vapour  :D :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:50am: http://i61.tinypic.com/34s2f7k.png Ajax still refuses to believe CO2 dictates how much water vapour there is because then no victim will ever allow Bjorn Lomborg to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 after the climate system has been admitted to follow complex behaviour by fossil fools incorporated itself. Can't have that now can we Ajax ?? :D :D :D They're not paying you in real high quality boring crack for nothing are they buddy

No! no! not dictates my K9 friend, CO2 only dictates in the computer models of the IPCC.

In reality it contributes.

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

sure thing cerberus http://i60.tinypic.com/dgkw36.jpg

lol, a boring bong : and??

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

What does Ajax know about the thermohaline cycle?

Ajax knows that the moon landing was fake.  :-X

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:59am: Ajax wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 10:50am: http://i61.tinypic.com/34s2f7k.png Ajax still refuses to believe CO2 dictates how much water vapour there is because then no victim will ever allow Bjorn Lomborg to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 after the climate system has been admitted to follow complex behaviour by fossil fools incorporated itself. Can't have that now can we Ajax ?? :D :D :D They're not paying you in real high quality boring crack for nothing are they buddy No! no! not dictates my K9 friend, CO2 only dictates in the computer models of the IPCC. In reality it contributes.

Ok buddy: you just keep pretending they didn't work out in the 1600s that the NH was in fact warmer than the SH  :D :D

Oh, btw, the word THERMOHALINE indicates a complex system so have fun trying to touch me won't ya buddy because we all know why everyone tunes in to watch me own your ass  ;D ;D ;D

What's that buddy- your sons and daughters hate you because you think fossil fuels inc should be allowed to warm our earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and the proudest university from the state that floats this nation should be forced to soil its name by supporting this unqualified argument for a small sum of regurgitated gst  ;D ;D

Imagine being a liberal voter and still pretending you didn't have kids for no reason other than to get on the property ladder: no wonder they call them blue-bloods!

::)

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 11:03am: What does Ajax know about the thermohaline cycle? Ajax knows that the moon landing was fake.  :-X

It gets confusing on the drugs because libs also seem to hold the duplicitous idea that we are going to mine moon-rock and solve climate change via fusion  :D :D

Maybe not all libs are the same  ;D ;D

Oh wait, they all smoke crack and keep year 11 economics texts books with which to bore their mates until everyone universally agrees that politics is off topic at all parties ever...

Ajax wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

John_Taverner wrote on Jun 8th, 2015 at 8:53am: Because it's an obvious non sequitur. Rubbish......are you saying that even though ice is building around the edges the main core would be melting.....????? You sir live in fairy land....the Al Gore school of climatology.

ajax , lol: doesn't understand ice is formed in different ways OR ATLEAST HE IS PRETENDING HE DOESN'T aka conducting indirect argument ye olde communication breakdown like on the farm where the kids hardly even knew mum and dad and then got sent to boarding school yadda yadda yadda

:D

That's all right batman with a crackpipe: you'll find a young one happy to not roll her eyes in front of you aslong as you provide the priveleges that are expected of marrying into blue-bloodedness  ;D ;D

** all heil the child-hating Bjorn Lomborg groupie known as Tony Abbott and his copper internet loving old man smelling liberal voters