Destiny has opened a window of opportunity for Ozpolitic lip service patriots to go down and get dirty.

Any takers, or are you all fakers.

Sprint cyclist, red baron, long weekend58, please step forward after cleaning the brown smear off your trousers.

Fat chance Ozpolitic lip service patriots will step up


Quote:

Australia open to possibility of deploying more forces after Ramadi, Palmyra losses By national security and defence reporter Andrew Greene Prime Minister Tony Abbott has left open the possibility of sending more troops to Iraq, after the US defence secretary accused local forces of lacking the will to fight the Islamic State (IS) group. IS fighters have appeared on the back foot in Iraq in recent months, but twin offensives on Ramadi and on the ancient Syrian city of Palmyra have swung the momentum. The loss of Ramadi, capital of Iraq's largest province of Anbar, raised questions over the strategy adopted not only by Baghdad, but also by Washington to tackle IS. Pentagon chief Ashton Carter told CNN that Baghdad's worst military defeat in almost a year could have been avoided. "What apparently happened was the Iraqi forces showed no will to fight," he said. "They were not outnumbered, and they vastly outnumbered the opposing force, and they failed to fight and withdrew from the site."     Australia has been more than ready to be an utterly reliable partner to the United States.     Prime Minister Tony Abbott Australia currently has about 600 personnel involved in the fight against the IS group as part of "Operation Okra", as well as 300 soldiers attached to Task Group Taji which is helping to train Iraqi forces. "The serious setback in Ramadi just emphasises how challenging the task is and how necessary the task is," Mr Abbott said. "The final point I should make is that the one Iraqi security force element that most stuck to its post and withdrew from Ramadi as a formed unit, as opposed to a disorganised group, was the unit, the counter-terrorism service of the Iraqi security forces that we have been advising and assisting in our initial placement at Baghdad International Airport," he told reporters in Canberra. But Mr Abbott did not rule out Australia bolstering its contribution if the US chose to increase its military commitment. "The United States is obviously the leading Western country," Mr Abbott said. "We don't expect the United States to do what needs to be done in the defence of decency right around the world on its own and that's why Australia has been more than ready to be an utterly reliable partner to the United States. "I think in this, as in so many things, the world does look to the United States for leadership. "As always, we stand ready to work with our partners and allies, the United States, the Iraqis, our other international and regional partners, to do what we can to help. "It's quite a substantial contribution that we are already making."

Why don't you step up bucket mouth?

Instead of suggesting people of retiring age don the mantle.  ::)

Gnads wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Why don't you step up bucket mouth? Instead of suggesting people of retiring age don the mantle.  ::)

most likely because he's a snivelling welfare cheating coward...  >:(

Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war.

____ wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war.

I offered to be first out the door over East Timor, and struggled mightily to get into Afghanistan.... I'm medically unfit, but when did that ever stop me?

A shot at IS... I think I could co-ordiante some pretty good strikes there...

Gnads and The Mechanic are first to soil their trousers and disappear over the hill in a cloud of blather.

White feathers for the cowards.

Good to see that you are still out there fighting your own good fight and proving that the mentally retarded still have a contribution to make to public message boards.  :D

Even if we helped to clean up Iraq & Syria within 1 year
all those crazy Muslims would be back &
doing what they are so good at :

cutting off heads
crucifying Christians
raping women.

Svengali wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Gnads and The Mechanic are first to soil their trousers and disappear over the hill in a cloud of blather. White feathers for the cowards.

Pot kettle black

You've turned talking shyte into an artform

____ wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war.

Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards.

What a pack of smacking drongos.

And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well.

I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:

I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation

Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 5:55am:

Even if we helped to clean up Iraq & Syria within 1 year all those crazy Muslims would be back & doing what they are so good at : cutting off heads crucifying Christians raping women.

immigrating to better countries and supporting their sons quest to start up drug dealing metro-sexual bikie gangs that prefer to drive soccer mum 4wds as the paris hilton sunglasses don't fall off so much  ::) ::)

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

A caliphate has already been created in the head of HooYAYitsFriYAY. All that's needed is a black flag poking out the top of the cranium.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

And as Sven says, here's your chance to sign up and put a stop to it.  Or do you much prefer for someone else to do it while you stay home and bitch.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate.

The women of islam aswell?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. And as Sven says, here's your chance to sign up and put a stop to it.  Or do you much prefer for someone else to do it while you stay home and bitch.

Well 1st off I think I’m over the age limit.

2nd who is asking for people to sign up?

Someone else to do it, you mean the armed forces?

Any other poo-for-brains comments you’d like to make tool bag?

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:19pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. And as Sven says, here's your chance to sign up and put a stop to it.  Or do you much prefer for someone else to do it while you stay home and bitch. Well 1st off I think I’m over the age limit. 2nd who is asking for people to sign up? Someone else to do it, you mean the armed forces? Any other poo-for-brains comments you’d like to make tool bag?

HooYay is again awarded the brown stain and white feather award for lip service patriotism.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well.

At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter?
Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell?

Did i mention a gender?

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:24pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:19pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. And as Sven says, here's your chance to sign up and put a stop to it.  Or do you much prefer for someone else to do it while you stay home and bitch. Well 1st off I think I’m over the age limit. 2nd who is asking for people to sign up? Someone else to do it, you mean the armed forces? Any other poo-for-brains comments you’d like to make tool bag? HooYay is again awarded the brown stain and white feather award for lip service patriotism.

bugger head.... ::)

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side.

So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice....

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:24pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:19pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. And as Sven says, here's your chance to sign up and put a stop to it.  Or do you much prefer for someone else to do it while you stay home and bitch. Well 1st off I think I’m over the age limit. 2nd who is asking for people to sign up? Someone else to do it, you mean the armed forces? Any other poo-for-brains comments you’d like to make tool bag? HooYay is again awarded the brown stain and white feather award for lip service patriotism.

What does he get after 3 brown stain/white feather awards cause I'm guessing he;'s about to drop another any time soon. Just don't anyone say I.S.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice....

How about not making things up and then say that's what I'm saying.

Thats just dishonest and reflects on you, not me.

Oh my, it’s a muslim lover wank-a-thon – quick go get the rest, Karnal will bring the biscuits.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice....

So you wanna send others to go over there and kill people so they stop the slaughter while you stay home and make sure that those desperate darkies dying on boats don't sneak in and violate our sovereignty.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender?

Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice.... So you wanna send others to go over there and kill people so they stop the slaughter while you stay home and make sure that those desperate darkies dying on boats don't sneak in and violate our sovereignty.

No I want all of our ADF to return. I don’t give a bugger how many muslims and arabs and n****** top them selves, the more the merrier.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. So it's ok by you if you send the young to go fight the wars you create! At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice....

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate?

I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

____ wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice.... How about not making things up and then say that's what I'm saying. Thats just dishonest and reflects on you, not me.

It's all about proper use of the strawman to own the internet like another piece of real estate: that is all the planet accountant knows and the muslims who live in arid lands are feeling impinged upon by the climate change thing at the end of the western greed thing!!

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them...

You alleged that they do  ;) ;)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;)

They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;)

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:43pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:36pm: ____ wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:30pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:01pm: ____ wrote on May 25th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Come on regressive muslim haters ... join the ground war. Look at all you progressive wankers cheering on the slaughter of innocent people by a group of west hating cowards. What a pack of smacking drongos. And by the way idiot, these people are killing Muslims as well. At least attempt to be factual in your posts ... who's cheering over the slaughter? Just because I disagree with the gung ho approach of the regressives, doesn't equate to siding with the other side. So it's Ok by you if the slaughter continues, nice.... So you wanna send others to go over there and kill people so they stop the slaughter while you stay home and make sure that those desperate darkies dying on boats don't sneak in and violate our sovereignty. No I want all of our ADF to return. I don’t give a bugger how many muslims and arabs and n****** top them selves, the more the merrier.

Not that easy mate. Put your money where your mouth is.No one in Oz Politics will ever respect anything you say ever again until you sign up to to go to Baghdad and fight for Australia's freedom against those muslim hordes. What do the muzzies think, that they own Iraq. BS!!! Iraq belongs to us and we will never let the Iraqi's rob us of our freedom by taking Iraq away from us!!!!

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;)

How many?

:o :o :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.

double plus good wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.

She also declared that 4000 lip service patriots, led by double plus good, had suffered brown trouser stains and received white feather awards.

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. She also declared that 4000 lip service patriots, led by doubleplusgood, had suffered brown trouser stains and received white feather awards.

Go and eat a dog asian boy.

double plus good wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.

we are talking about the women of islam  :D :D

double plus good wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed.

You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!       

innocentbystander. wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 5:51am:

Good to see that you are still out there fighting your own good fight and proving that the mentally retarded still have a contribution to make to public message boards.  :D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

the left have to remain here.. how will shitarse ever get elected otherwise.... ;D ;D

I wonder if fd has enlisted... he will fight to the end for FOS....or freedom to blow up things that really have been around far too long...he is very much a fighter when he is needed..

I have often walked down this strip before
But the sand dunes always stayed beneath my feet before
All at once am I several stories high
Knowing I'm on the strip you just blitzed

Are there carpet bombs in the heart of town?
Can you hear a blast as many buildings tumble down?
Do big bombs pour out of those bomb bay doors?
No, it's just on the strip you've just blitzed.

And oh the towering feeling
Just to know somehow you are near
The overpowering feeling
That any second you may suddenly appear

Mullahs stop and stare, they don't bother me
For there's nowhere else on earth that I would rather be
Let jihad go by, I won't care if I
Can be here on the strip you just blitzed

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!

What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards).
Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??

Killing is killing.

Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF.

Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.

I see you've renewed your KKK membership.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces??

So when the German army rounded up jews to be sent to extermination camps that was OK because they were part of the "legitimate" German army.  What a croc of sh!t!!! Clearly you don't care about atrocities you only care about atrocities committed against you or your mates. Those young b@st2rds who go to israel to brutalize the citizen population in Gaza are every bit as criminal as the people who go and fight for IS and should be gaoled to do a lengthy prison term when they return to Australia. I said it before. If anyone is responsible for radicalizing the muslim youth of this country its hypocrisy like yours.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership.

Gizmo must have misread it's KKK newsletter. My name is not Netanyahu the Butcher of Palestine.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership.

So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference????

No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS.

There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2.

The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc)

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it.

I dunno about sanctioning atrocities, I saw you saying killing is killing, then claiming a false equivalency. 

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery.

as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.

longweekend58 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.

I'd actually say combatant..

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel.  There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it. That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color] And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2. The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc) I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel.  There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it. That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color] And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2. The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc) I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.

Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS"

I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.

As for the 'civilian casualties' reports...If the wounded or dead arrived at the hospital without a weapon in their hands, they got classified  civilian, regardless of how many Israeli soldiers they had fired at, before being hit.

Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel.  There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it. That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color] And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2. The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc) I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.     Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS" I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'.

OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians.

Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel.  There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it. That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color] And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2. The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc) I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.     Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS" I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'. OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities

Mainly because military defense or counter-attacks do not qualify as atrocities.

longweekend58 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET.

Since you seem to know, tell us, how many of the  3,374 children killed or maimed in Gaza were shooting at the Israeli soldiers.  No let me guess you read the German army Israeli army official report and they found that all the children were shooting at the Israeli army at the time including those shooting at tanks from the cover of their cribs. 

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:57pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:53pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:48pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:08pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. I see you've renewed your KKK membership. So let me get this straight. You sanction the killings and mass butchery and you accuse us of being members of the KKK.  You do know that you're the only one condoning a atrocities here.  We're condemning them regardless of who does them.  See the difference???? No, the people sanctioning atrocities are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS. OK that's between you and them. Our issue is different. Its about you condoning it in some and condemning it in others.  Remember if you "seriously" maintain (god knows how but lets move on)  that the people really committing the "atrocities" are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS then why aren't you also committing "atrocities" (sorry, its your stupid argument not mine) for being opposed to arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with israel.  There are not in reality any 'mass butchery' being carried out by the IDF in Gaza, or outside of it. That's a lie. Between 2,142[46] and 2,310[22] Gazans were killed and between 10,626[22] and 10,895[26] were wounded [color=#0000ff](including 3,374 children, of whom over 1,000 were left permanently disabled[47]). 66 Israeli soldiers, 5 Israeli civilians (including one child)[48] and one Thai civilian were killed[18] and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[20] The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians;[18][23][26] Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians.[27][49] On 5 August, OCHA stated that 520,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (approximately 30% of its population) might have been displaced, of whom 485,000 needed emergency food assistance[50] and 273,000 were taking shelter in 90 UN-run schools.[51] The UN calculated that more than 7,000 homes for 10,000 families were razed, together with an additional 89,000 homes damaged, of which roughly 10,000 were severely affected by the bombing.[52] Rebuilding costs were calculated to run from 4-6 billions dollars, over 20 years.[53] In Israel, an estimated 5,000[54] to 8,000[55] citizens temporarily fled their homes due to the threat of rocketry from Gaza[/color] And in answer to your question in the previous post, no, the German soldiers were wrong to round up the Jews during the Holocaust, same as the Japanese soldiers were wrong for the actions committed during WW2. The point is NOT that national armies don't commit atrocities, it's that a national army does have to answer for those actions, either to the national government, or in front of some international tribunal (Nuremberg etc) I beg your pardon!!! The German army had all those rules in place, was a member of the geneva conventions and told every one (like the Israeli army does today) that they were abiding by international law but it didn't stop them in their massacre of 6 million jews.  And your pretending that's the distinction that makes it alright for young australian men with guns to go fight in Gaza knowing that in all likelihood they will be killing civilians and children. Your hypocrisy and double standards is a major cause of most of these troubles.     Learning to read might help you. I never said the "that the people really committing the "atrocities" [u] are those who are against arresting or punishing the Australian dual nationals fighting with ISIS" I said SANCTIONING the 'atrocities'. OK I take your point on that minor point but how are you not also sanctioning atrocities Mainly because military defense or counter-attacks do not qualify as atrocities.

So whenever ISIS are engaged in military defense or counter-attacks they are not committing atrocities because they're doing it for the sake of winning their war.    

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. war Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond.

You know that word "attack" is BS because you can always say that someone attacked first. It certainly can never be a basis for saying "Those who are attacked can't commit atrocities and those who do the attacking can.  The fact that you resort to this kind of meaningless argument speaks volumes.  Here, let me give you an example.  Under the international rules of war a blockade is an attack. When Israel blockaded gaza for almost a year (I believe) and the people lived in a virtual prison for that time with severe shortages, that was an act of war. So after that Israel was capable of committing atrocities but the palestinians were not because they were defending themselves. See how hollow that line of reasoning is?

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:32pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:41pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 6:37pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 5:06pm: double plus good wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 4:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:28pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 1:27pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:50pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:34pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:20pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:16pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm: I'm not cheering, it just feels like we're plugging holes in dykes of our own creation Islam has always wanted a caliphate. The women of islam aswell? Did i mention a gender? Why would the women of islam want a caliphate? I'm not sure, why don't you ask them... You alleged that they do  ;) ;) They are leaving OZ in support are they not? ;) ;) How many? :o :o :o Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says 150 Australians have been or are currently overseas fighting with extremists in Iraq and Syria. I think about 40 have been killed. You know how many australians are fighting in the Israeli army! Only a few months ago, volunteer australians in the Israeli army committed some of the worst atrocities against the Palestinian people in Gaza that any australians have ever committed in any war ever.  I take it that that disgusts you and that you would like tout a stop to it OR let me guess. You reckon that's different.   You want to know what a big factor is in radicalising australian youth towards islam.  Its this country's hypocritical double standards. People, esp the youth hate double standards!!!        What's amazing is that you think serving in the legitimate armed forces of a democratic nation that is an ally to Australia is even close to being the same as joining a religiously inspired terrorist group that is killing people of the very same religion (and anyone else who doesn't meet their standards). Will you now same of Australians who serve in the British armed forces?? Killing is killing. Israeli IDF kill children for sport. Hundreds of Palestinian children dead from head shots by IDF. Israel's Gaza wars are an atrocity of mass butchery. as usual from you it is hopelessly onesided.  do you know what a 12yo girl is when shooting to kill at soldiers?  A TARGET. I'd actually say combatant..

you mean there is a difference?  if you carry a gun and shoot at people you are a soldier therefore a legitimate target.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond.

something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening.

longweekend58 wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening.

People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors.

Especially when they're living under a blockade and those blockading you are gradually helping themselves to more and more of your territory. The Palestinians have very little choice but to fight if they are to have any hope of survival.    

Svengali wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors.

and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject.

all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really.

longweekend58 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really.

It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel.

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel.

Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds.

So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature?

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature?

a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers.

idiot.

longweekend58 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:52am: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature? a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers. idiot.

Since 2010 Israel killed Palestinian children at 68 times the number of Israeli children who die. 681 Palestinian children compared to 9 Israeli children.

If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop.

Israelis kill Palestinians for sport.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes."

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes."

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133 Israeli children and 2,060 Palestinian children have been killed since September 29, 2000. Hover over each bar for exact numbers. Number of Children Killed Per YearIsraelisPalestinians2000200120022003200420052006200720082009201020112012201320140150300450600Year Year      Israelis      Palestinians 2000      0      91 2001      36      103 2002      45      201 2003      21      141 2004      8      188 2005      6      56 2006      2      139 2007      1      68 2008      4      160 2009      1      295 2010      0      15 2011      5      15 2012      0      44 2013      0      3 2014      4      541 “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:27pm: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:52am: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature? a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers. idiot. Israel kills Palestinian children at 20 times the number of Israeli children who die. If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop.

I guess it sucks that Israel won and retained those territories it conquered.  Next time an Arab coalition attacks it should do a better job. 

Still, there is time yet for a nuke to take out Israel, that should make the luvvies happy.   ::)

Secret Wars wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:27pm: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:52am: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature? a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers. idiot. Israel kills Palestinian children at 20 times the number of Israeli children who die. If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop. I guess it sucks that Israel won and retained those territories it conquered.  Next time an Arab coalition attacks it should do a better job.  Still, there is time yet for a nuke to take out Israel, that should make the luvvies happy.   ::)

facts confuse them but one fact worth noting that of all the cease-fires between hamas an Israel, hamas has broken it every time.  and the reason there are kids killed in gaza is because the incomprehensibly evil Hamas uses kindergartens and schools as missile launch sites.  the problem is and remains HAMAS. even the rest of the arab world agrees.

longweekend58 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:41pm: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:27pm: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:52am: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature? a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers. idiot. Israel kills Palestinian children at 20 times the number of Israeli children who die. If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop. I guess it sucks that Israel won and retained those territories it conquered.  Next time an Arab coalition attacks it should do a better job.  Still, there is time yet for a nuke to take out Israel, that should make the luvvies happy.   ::) facts confuse them but one fact worth noting that of all the cease-fires between hamas an Israel, hamas has broken it every time.  and the reason there are kids killed in gaza is because the incomprehensibly evil Hamas uses kindergartens and schools as missile launch sites.  the problem is and remains HAMAS. even the rest of the arab world agrees.

That is self delusion by lostweakend58. Public opinion around the world is opposed to the occupation by the Israelis. It is even so in Australia.

Lostweakend58 and it's ilk conveniently ignore the fact that Israel was created by genocide and expulsion of Palestinians from their land by gangs of armed Israelis.

Lostweakend58 is in the minority; uneducated and over 50 that favor Israel. Roy Morgan Poll depicted the following:

Roy Morgan poll


Quote:

Australian sympathy for Israel is decreasing     More people are sympathetic towards the Palestinians than towards the Israelis: (27% for the Palestinians 21% for the Israelis).     There is a decrease in sympathy with Israelis, which is 6% lower than 2011.     An increasing number of people say they have sympathies for neither (30% cf 25% in 2009; 21% in 2011)     Strongest sympathies for Palestine are in Tasmania, Sydney, regional NSW and the ACT.     Strongest sympathies for Israel are found in Tasmania, Brisbane, regional Victoria and Sydney.     Among those who have engaged with tertiary education are more likely to sympathise with Palestine than Israel     People sympathizing with Israel are most likely to be over 50 years old.

So now we replace facts with opinion polls.

the idiot's last resort.

hey they do that with the global warming scam!!  'consensus' is after all, just an opinion poll.

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 6:27pm: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:52am: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:45am: Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 10:42am: longweekend58 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 8:53am: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 10:57pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 9:51pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:58pm: Svengali wrote on May 26th, 2015 at 7:56pm: Gizmo is condoning atrocities against the Palestinians. Wrong as usual. Gizmo is accepting that when the Palestinians attack Israel, Israel has the right to respond. something not well understood by the weepy lefties.  maybe if the lefties were invaded 4 times and continually having missiles launched at them and their school buses blown up they might get a little insight into what is happening. People who are occupied have a right to fight against their oppressors. and that's the point.  they ARENT occupied.  they were offered their own state and refused.  and as part of Israel their response is to kill, to fire missiles and generally behave like the a-holes that even the rest of the arab world reject. all they have to do is to stop killing Israelis.  pretty simple really. It must be hard to cease resistance when you see Palestinian children killed for sport by Israel. Which actually doesn't happen, except in deluded minds. So the entry  and exit wounds in the heads of dead Palestinian children are a phenomenon of nature? a bit like the charred body parts of Israeli children killed by Palestinian bus-bombers. idiot. Since 2010 Israel killed Palestinian children at 68 times the number of Israeli children who die. 681 Palestinian children compared to 9 Israeli children. If there was no occupation and return to pre-1967 borders, the deaths would stop. Israelis kill Palestinians for sport. “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes." “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes." The facts Quote: 133 Israeli children and 2,060 Palestinian children have been killed since September 29, 2000. Hover over each bar for exact numbers. Number of Children Killed Per YearIsraelisPalestinians2000200120022003200420052006200720082009201020112012201320140150300450600Year Year      Israelis      Palestinians 2000      0      91 2001      36      103 2002      45      201 2003      21      141 2004      8      188 2005      6      56 2006      2      139 2007      1      68 2008      4      160 2009      1      295 2010      0      15 2011      5      15 2012      0      44 2013      0      3 2014      4      541 “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

No, if there was return to  the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you).

And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

No, if there was return to  the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you). And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen.

Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 7:49pm: No, if there was return to  the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you). And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen. Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

you are a twat and sound just like Hamas.  these are the clowns that were actually offered a separate state BUT REFUSED.  if they laid down their arms now and started behaving like humans and not vermin that hide behind women and children while firing, the conflict would cease overnight.  but EVERY cease-fire is broken by Hamas who deliberately target civilians and particularly children.

you are just an anti-Semite.  we don't except you to behave with honour or intelligence and you never disappoint in that regard.

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 7:49pm: No, if there was return to  the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you). And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen. Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that?

No idiot, the Arabs would have better launch sites that would allow then to actually hit the Israeli cities and kill more Jews.

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 7:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on May 27th, 2015 at 7:49pm: No, if there was return to  the 'pre-1967 borders', the only difference would be that MORE Jews than Arabs would be dying (which I realise is ok by you). And IF the various Arab militia groups stopped launching rockets and mortars from near schools, hospitals and residential areas, the deaths would also stop, which would of course lower the 'outrage' potential in the press, so Hamas doesn't want that to happen. Would Israeli suicide rates be responsible for that? No idiot, the Arabs would have better launch sites that would allow then to actually hit the Israeli cities and kill more Jews.

You're behaving like a Hamas planner. Do you often hear voices in your head?

Many in Israel and on the other side view it as a war of survival.  The Palestinians have been forgotten and even attacked by their own Arabs.. it's  a very tribal thing.

"The term Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود‎; aylūl al-aswad) refers to the Jordanian Civil War that began in September 1970 and ended in July of 1971. The conflict was fought between the two major components of the Jordanian population, the Palestinians, represented by the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) under the leadership of Yasser Arafat, and the native Jordanians, represented by the Jordanian Armed Forces under the leadership of King Hussein. At its core the civil war sought to determine if Jordan would be ruled by the Palestine Liberation Organisation or the Hashemite Monarchy. The war resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian.  Armed conflict ended with the expulsion of the PLO leadership and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

Get     A    Life.....

It is arguable that Israel Palestinian conflict was the genesis of all conflict in the Middle East due to Israel-USA axis acting to suppress all Arab governments that did not bend to their will.

In regard to Jordanians, they have always been in Israel's pocket because of their perpetual dire economic circumstances and addiction to American aid. Any actions Jordan took on the Arab side in conflicts were a sham, limited and measured so as to avoid serious offense to Israel.

Svengali wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 12:41am:

It is arguable that Israel Palestinian conflict was the genesis of all conflict in the Middle East due to Israel-USA axis acting to suppress all Arab governments that did not bend to their will. In regard to Jordanians, they have always been in Israel's pocket because of their perpetual dire economic circumstances and addiction to American aid. Any actions Jordan took on the Arab side in conflicts were a sham, limited and measured so as to avoid serious offense to Israel.

So - let me get this right.

The Pallies are stuck between the Jordanians (who've killed thousands of them) - fellow Arabs - and Israel and the rest of the world.  No other Arab nation supports the Palestinians.

Some even attack them.  Palestinian Arabs were forced to retreat to Lebanon to continue the struggle against the entire region.

How - in this amazing maze of amazing complex issues - is Israel the enemy when the greatest danger is from fellow Arabs with a different tribal group?

You need to get a grip on the sorts of realities that encompass local areas....

Whatever you see is intertwined with a complex of conflicting local interests.... all backed by the gun...

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 28^th, 2015 at 1:09am:

You need to get a grip on the sorts of realities that encompass local areas.... Whatever you see is intertwined with a complex of conflicting local interests.... all backed by the gun...

Grappler seems to cross between reality and fantasy at regular intervals. Very often Grappler's reality is extremely tenuous.

Don't lose your grip Grappler. There may be no bottom.