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Title: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

Otherwise we would still be a molten rock of lava.

It's called Anthropogenic Global Warming

Stop with the doomsday stuff about AGW.

Is Australia heating up......?

No she isn't........................!

Are sea levels rising........?

Yes but not at the uncontrollable levels that the IPCC and other alarmist groups predict.

We are coming out of the mini ice age its only natural that temperatures, CO2 and sea levels do rise.

The melting of the arctic started about 200 hundred years ago and has nothing to do with man's CO2 emissions.

Does CO2 & temperature correlate......?

No they don't and they never have in our history...!!

More than one third of all manmade CO2 emissions have been released into the atmosphere after the year 1998 and yet temperatures are dropping.

No correlation between CO2 & Temperature

Can the IPCC be trusted........??

No they cant.........................!!

They are a political body that presents science to the world, their science.

As the below chart shows they are quite happy to leave out facts to further their cause.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:34pm

Do CO2 & temperature correlate?

History shows us that CO2 and temperature don't correlate at all.

Its a well known fact that CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years.

That is first temperature rises and then the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere also rises as the eco systems warm up and release more CO2.

See below.

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale (NO), (11,000 years)

Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-history-a-look-at-multiple-timescales-in-the-context-of-the-shakun-et-al-paper/

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)

(NO) , It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

WARNING ! This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.

Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-history-a-look-at-multiple-timescales-in-the-context-of-the-shakun-et-al-paper/

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale (NO) , (millions of years)

Graph-3

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

(4).....Lately

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:59pm

September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

May 1947 - arctic melting
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&searchLimits=

November 1922 - arctic melting
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdfii

Considering we had cooling from 1940 to 1970 it would make sense that the arctic would increase.

Now that we are finishing a warming trend the opposite is true.

Lets see if we revert back to a cooling trend which is suggested by data from the last ten years or so.

Then AGW religion will die on its arse.......!!!!!

Quote:

Figure 2 shows the following periods for relative global cooling and warming phases:

1. 30-years of global cooling from 1880 to 1910
2. 30-years of global warming from 1910 to 1940
3. 30-years of global cooling from 1940 to 1970
4. 30-years of global warming from 1970 to 2000

Medieval warm period warmer than today.
Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

The IPCC don't know whether they're Arthur or Marthur on climate change.

Source: AR5-Chapter 12. Table 12.4 page 78

Quote:

Table 12.4: Components in the Earth system that have been proposed in the literature as potentially being susceptible to abrupt or irreversible change. Column 2 defines whether or not a potential change can be considered to be abrupt under the AR5 definition. Column 3 states whether or not the process is irreversible in the context of abrupt change, and also gives the typical recovery time scales. Column 4 provides an assessment, if possible, of the likelihood of occurrence of abrupt change in the 21st century for the respective components or phenomena within the Earth system, for the scenarios considered in this chapter.

http://joannenova.com.au/

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Rhino on May 12^th, 2015 at 7:47pm

Theres more stupid in this post than the entire population of New Zealand.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 12^th, 2015 at 7:51pm

rhino wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Theres more stupid in this post than the entire population of New Zealand.

show me the stupid????

Better buy one of these rhino...!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSI-L6uGa8M

His daddy owns the world bank, the world bank owns the united nations, the united nations owns the IPCC.

Nuff said cheers.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm

One of the architects of AGW and a member of the club of rome.

Listen to their plans for us...!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDy0jHo_DQ

Their 5 commandments

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 12^th, 2015 at 8:20pm

Ajax wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

I'll zero in on a tiny part of your brain fart and show a version of the Geocarb II graph with error limits. It puts it in perspective. Big error range there. Your graph (courtesy of the fossils of West Virginia website) draws an arbitrary line on the maximum values. (funny about that)

So for 200 million years ago, you can have CO2 levels of anything between 500 and 4500 ppm. Take your pick.

The earlier temperature scale on that graph says that it's average global temperature, but is in fact ocean floor temperatures in the original study.

The ocean floor temperature today is something like 0-3 degrees C. Imagine what the surface temperatures must have been like when the ocean floor temperature was 22 Degrees C.

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Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 12^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

JT, Link please.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 12^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

J. Veizer, Y. Godderis, and L.M. François, "", Nature, vol. 408, pp. 698-701, 2000. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/35047044

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:01pm

WOW - i am convinced now

Amazing pretty pictures

WOW Ajax, your stuff is almost as impressive as Jethro's

Well done

Have you read any of Dr Sircus's stuff?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by rabbitoh08 on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm

I think this troll is now sufficiently well fed.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:05am

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

I think this troll is now sufficiently well fed.

We're all trolls: don't be cruel :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Dnarever on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:34am

There has always been climate change!

Yes but it is normally not driven by human activity.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Dnarever on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:35am

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

I think this troll is now sufficiently well fed.

One of the fattest trolls ever.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:30am

John_Taverner wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Ajax wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

And I thought you a man of logic JT instead here you spewing the illogical diarrhea that one of our trace gases in our atmosphere can be solely responsible for the Earth heating up.

The paper and graph are valid and if you have problems with it take it up with the authors.

BTW the paper you present has been shot down into a million pieces, some of the assumptions and theories in it are way out there, what would you expect from an alarmist.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:34am

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

There has always been climate change!

Yes but it is normally not driven by human activity.

What are you saying that human activity is driving the hot spell we saw in the late 1990's?

You're obviously not reading what I have posted.

One of the graphs up there shows that MORE than I/3 of ALL MANMADE CO2 has gone up into our atmosphere after 1999 and yet temperatures are dropping.

So manmade CO2 up temperatures down....where is your connection...???

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:35am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

WOW - i am convinced now

Amazing pretty pictures

WOW Ajax, your stuff is almost as impressive as Jethro's

Well done

Have you read any of Dr Sircus's stuff?

good to hear from you to banana breath

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Loo at the Gigatonnes after 1997 yet temperature is going down......!!!!!!!!

Where is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:53am

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

defensive mode, lol :D :D :D

You can quite easily not vote for copper internet :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

I did the question was rhetorical. Because the graph isn't showing cooling. Its merely showing a slight slowing down of the warming.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

~~Where~~ What is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

You can quite easily look it up on google!

I think he might mean: What is the reference frame for the anomaly? You posted it (with no reference to any published paper), you explain.

Is it a POOMA type graph?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

accept the status quo or else

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:23pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 9:42pm:

J. Veizer, Y. Godderis, and L.M. François, "", Nature, vol. 408, pp. 698-701, 2000. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/35047044

' The data indicate large oscillations of tropical sea surface temperatures in phase with the cold–warm cycles, thus favouring the idea of climate variability as a global phenomenon. But our data conflict with a temperature reconstruction using an energy balance model that is forced by reconstructed atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations18. The results can be reconciled if atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations were not the principal driver of climate variability on geological timescales for at least one-third of the Phanerozoic eon, or if the reconstructed carbon dioxide concentrations are not reliable..

Wow, I'm convinced. If, If, But.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

Its the perfect example of Dunning-Kruger. The more you know about a subject the more doubt you display about what you actually know.

Want to know why I think Jones, Bolt, Monckton know bugger all about anything. Because they are so cocksure about their "knowledge" in those areas.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Because the graph isn't showing cooling.

It seems to show a slight cooling to me. And all this with a huge increase in CO2 since 1996. But CO2 is the "Control Knob", the "Driver".

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Because the graph isn't showing cooling.

It seems to show a slight cooling to me. And all this with a huge increase in CO2 since 1996. But CO2 is the "Control Knob", the "Driver".

That is because you are reading it incorrectly. Temperature anomaly refers to the temperature above the average temperature. If there was cooling it would be in negative values.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Memory and knowledge are the same thing. The more you know the less song and dance you have to provide to pretend you know...this is professionalism!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Because the graph isn't showing cooling.

It seems to show a slight cooling to me. And all this with a huge increase in CO2 since 1996. But CO2 is the "Control Knob", the "Driver".

That is because you are reading it incorrectly. Temperature anomaly refers to the temperature above the average temperature. If there was cooling it would be in negative values.

paedos don't care....................................................................................................... until they are caught out :o 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

I did the question was rhetorical. Because the graph isn't showing cooling. Its merely showing a slight slowing down of the warming.

If its not warming then its cooling.....!

With more than 1/3 of all human CO2 going up into our atmosphere since 1997.

That's why the IPCC got it so wrong.

Water dominates climate change here on Earth not the poultry 0.04% CO2.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

~~Where~~ What is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

Radiative forcing you say from 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What about the other elephant in the room.

Radiative forcing by 95% water vapour....!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:30pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

~~Where~~ What is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

Radiative forcing you say from 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What about the other elephant in the room.

Radiative forcing by 95% water vapour....!!!!!!!!!!!

Water vapour is the very thing carbon dioxide increases: it's called a positive feedback mechanism and you are called a strawman :) :)

BTW, stay away from my kids asshole :)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Lisa Jones on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:31pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

I beg your pardon?

Thou shalt not use my name in vain. :P

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

I did the question was rhetorical. Because the graph isn't showing cooling. Its merely showing a slight slowing down of the warming.

...complex systems are witnessed in year 11 chemistry class when phase change diagrams are taught!

Thanx for playing and stay away from my kids asshole :) :)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

That is because you are reading it incorrectly. Temperature anomaly refers to the temperature above the average temperature. If there was cooling it would be in negative values.

What is the reference period?

Answer

'HadCRUT4 is a gridded dataset of global historical surface temperature anomalies relative to a 1961-1990 reference period.'

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/

So that even with a slight cooling the temps are above the reference period.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

~~Where~~ What is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

Radiative forcing you say from 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What about the other elephant in the room.

Radiative forcing by 95% water vapour....!!!!!!!!!!!

Water vapour is the very thing carbon dioxide increases: it's called a positive feedback mechanism and you are called a strawman :) :)

BTW, stay away from my kids asshole :)

Cerberus you old hound, still on patrol eeehhh...??!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

BTW the paper you present has been shot down into a million pieces, some of the assumptions and theories in it are way out there, what would you expect from an alarmist.

And your "data" is Koch Brothers-funded propaganda.
https://youtu.be/wnv0DJJPopQ

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

And your "data" is Koch Brothers-funded propaganda.

Interesting. Link please.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:03pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:57pm:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

BTW the paper you present has been shot down into a million pieces, some of the assumptions and theories in it are way out there, what would you expect from an alarmist.

And your "data" is Koch Brothers-funded propaganda.

Ohh dear !

another algorian convert.

Next time you see him ask him how much his beach side condo in san Francisco cost him.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm

That's the best you can do? Set up an Al Gore strawman?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

~~Where~~ What is the connection between AGW and the Earth's temperature...????

Ask your grandkids. The answer to your corrected question is radiative forcing. You can Google that too.

Radiative forcing you say from 0.04% of the atmosphere.

What about the other elephant in the room.

Radiative forcing by 95% water vapour....!!!!!!!!!!!

Water vapour is the very thing carbon dioxide increases: it's called a positive feedback mechanism and you are called a strawman :) :)

BTW, stay away from my kids asshole :)

Cerberus you old hound, still on patrol eeehhh...??!!!

i don't know what you're on about paedo :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

That's the best you can do? Set up an Al Gore strawman?

Sorry my dear but the way the algorians have played you on your sympathy for the environment have turned you guys into suicide bombers.

I too love the environment and want it clean.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:15pm

I would say it's far more idiotic to witness Hurricane Katrina and the BP destruction of the Gulf in person, and still deny that there's a problem.

Also those tornadoes that ravaged Texas and Oklahoma last week while in Colorado over 20" of snow fell in May is all just "normal" to you.

The people who deny the existence of climate change are usually the same people who believe racism ceased to exist the day a black "moderate" conservative was elected President of the United States.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:17pm

BHP should be made to pay.

Hurricane Katrina is not due to mans poultry emissions of Co2

There has always been climate change since day dot and will be till the Earth is no longer.

You mean Anthropogenic Global Warming.

You have that all wrong, is that algorians are preaching these days.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Sorry my dear but the way the algorians have played you on your sympathy for the environment have turned you guys into suicide bombers.

Lame. You are repeating the exact same KKKoch talking points.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

I too love the environment and want it clean.

Corporatist sockpupet says what..?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:22pm

Maria, where is the link to the Koch Bros funding? Not newspaper articles; but something substantive.

Ah yes more snow.

'According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".'

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

dated: Monday 20 March 2000

Still waiting for the failed snow.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Sorry my dear but the way the algorians have played you on your sympathy for the environment have turned you guys into suicide bombers.

Lame. You are repeating the exact same KKKoch talking points.

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

I too love the environment and want it clean.

Corporatist sockpupet says what..?

WRONG AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuyrBRUsu9A

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:25pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

That's the best you can do? Set up an Al Gore strawman?

Sorry my dear but the way the algorians have played you on your sympathy for the environment have turned you guys into suicide bombers.

I too love the environment and want it clean.

you don't love the environment or any kids in it : you think you do but you are actually in psychosis and thus preach planet accountant policy :o :o hey, smoking crack is boring so just stop :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

By the way, did you know Koch Bros fund over 250 universities in the US. Including Penn State, home of Michael Mann?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:29pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

you don't love the environment or any kids in it : you think you do but you are actually in psychosis and thus preach planet accountant policy :o :o hey, smoking crack is boring so just stop :D :D

You don't speak for me. And if you did, use proper grammar.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

Ajax's Laws

1. Carbon Dioxide is not a byproduct of fossil fuel combustion
2. Carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas
3. Always check with Dr Sircus
4. Fossil Fuel corporations care about the earth because they are honest and not interested in profit. (similar to the tobacco corporations)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

WRONG AGAIN

Sorry, not watching your lame vids.

The water wasting, toxic polluting, earthquake causing, fracking method of extracting is okay with you, right, Mr. I Love The Environment?

And you are a Koch Brothers shill/Libertardian.

They subsidize the fossil fuel industries and in the US in particular where politics is super money driven for each million given in campaign contributions by an Exxon translates into ten times as much back in subsidies for the oil industry. This is an impossible barrier to market entry for new power sources.

Simultaneously as they pay for the politicians they also throw a few million here and there to people to set up 'think tanks' and websites to muddy the waters and confuse the issues.

But feel free to post more of your graphic B.S.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

By the way, did you know Koch Bros fund over 250 universities in the US. Including Penn State, home of Michael Mann?

That says it all, all alarmist organisations.

Liers the lot of them...!!!

Especially Mann for distorting the mid evil period, with his ssshhhtick...!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:34pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

WRONG AGAIN

Your putting words in my mouth that I have never uttered....!!!!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:37pm

the Great Ajax is the only one who knows the truth

Ajax will protect the children

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:39pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

the Great Ajax is the only one who knows the truth

Ajax will protect the children

well if your hairy arse ain't up for it, some has to do it.

And we'll start with the TRUTH.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:43pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Your putting words in my mouth that I have never uttered....!!!!!!

Really? Seems you're too busy putting your own foot into it. And do try to come up with something, anything original.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

the Great Ajax is the only one who knows the truth

Ajax will protect the children

well if your hairy arse ain't up for it, some has to do it.

And we'll start with the TRUTH.

Youre interested int he truth are you Ajax? Really?

Why do you spend the bulk of your time posting distorted data and propaganda pieces sponsored by the Fossil fuel industry?

Are you against peer reviewed science and validated evidence based conclusions?

Incidentally your beloved fossil fuel and mining industry which is privately/corporately run - fascist instruments of totalitarian slave ownership - accept the science that underpins AGW

In fact there are NO nations on the planet, nor are there any scientific institutes or Universities and research organisations that dispute the science that explains AGW.

Only Ajax understands what is going on ladies and gentlemen as he feeds his paranoia and crack pot conspiracy theory mentality and hatred of children.

well done - the Batman mask and ridiculous blinking eyes suit your level of ignorance based madness.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm

I still pity u chimp.

You're such an ugly bustard

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

you don't love the environment or any kids in it : you think you do but you are actually in psychosis and thus preach planet accountant policy :o :o hey, smoking crack is boring so just stop :D :D

You don't speak for me. And if you did, use proper grammar.

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

you don't love the environment or any kids in it : you think you do but you are actually in psychosis and thus preach planet accountant policy :o :o hey, smoking crack is boring so just stop :D :D

You don't speak for me. And if you did, use proper grammar.

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

He's got three heads so you'll need three bickies.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

the Great Ajax is the only one who knows the truth

Ajax will protect the children

well if your hairy arse ain't up for it, some has to do it.

And we'll start with the TRUTH.

The Truth is in no way connected with your deranged conspiracy theory paranoic delusions.

Oh whats wrong Batman - dont you like reading peer reviewed scientific publications?

Poor Batman, he wants the Truth, to give to the children of the future because he hates them.

Poor poor Batman,

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

Well when there's only alarmists to talk to best pack your bags and go, see you losers on the flip side.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

C+ for trying.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:56pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I still pity u chimp.

You're such an ugly bustard

coming from the Great Ajax, mask wearer and children hater...

The Sublime Batman freak detests peer reviewed scientific articles published by expert researchers and scientists?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:56pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I still pity u chimp.

You're such an ugly bustard

(!high on boring crack is so boring...) i wish i had a dad who gave me the spare rental so i could smoke crack all day and tell the internet how cosmic peter costellos relationship with interest rates was ..

Living in a world where most wealth is inherited is enlightening :o :o

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

you don't love the environment or any kids in it : you think you do but you are actually in psychosis and thus preach planet accountant policy :o :o hey, smoking crack is boring so just stop :D :D

You don't speak for me. And if you did, use proper grammar.

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

He's got three heads so you'll need three bickies.

who are you talking to?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdmqn9JIuzc

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

C+ for trying.

wow, a dismissive woman - you should get married and multiply that power or have you tried that trick and got so bored you had to start playing more tricks... ??

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:02pm

D-

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

C+ for trying.

wow, a dismissive woman - you should get married and multiply that power or have you tried that trick and got so bored you had to start playing more tricks... ??

Hey Cerberus

take a few nights of this patrolling business mate.

Getting sexually aroused talking to the opposite sex on a political forum...I'ld be worried if I was you.. ;D :D ;) :) >:(

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

D-

lol, imagine getting it ripped off by a very exciting plain jane like you ::)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Marla wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

I know english teachers: they aint sinless, especially when they get on the drugs and start telling everyone men are the problem forgetting they are on drugs :D :D :D

C+ for trying.

wow, a dismissive woman - you should get married and multiply that power or have you tried that trick and got so bored you had to start playing more tricks... ??

Hey Cerberus

take a few nights of this patrolling business mate.

Getting sexually aroused talking to the opposite sex on a political forum...I'ld be worried if I was you.. ;D :D ;) :) >:(

Did you go to a private school or something?

:o :o

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:18pm

lee wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Maria...

Its MARLA god damn it.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by The Outrage Bus on May 13^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am:

Ajax wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Posting random graphs without interpretation or seemingly understanding of them.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist its self explanatory.

Just out of a query, what does temperature anomaly mean on the y axis?

You can quite easily look it up on google!

I did the question was rhetorical. Because the graph isn't showing cooling. Its merely showing a slight slowing down of the warming.

I said slowing down of the warming and thats what I meant.

IN other words, the speed at which the global temperature is increasing is slowing down. That is still considered warming, just not as at fast a speed. Cooling is when the temperature is decreasing. ANd its not doing that.

Jesus, learn to interpret a bloody graph.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 13^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

Sorry Marla, the script is not good, and neither is my eyesight.

Do you have any other criticisms, or counterarguments?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:03am

No, your Koch-Brothers blind following speaks for itself.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:03am:

No, your Koch-Brothers blind following speaks for itself.

That's funny. Colorado State also got funds from Koch Bros.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/KOCH-POLLUTION-ON-CAMPUS-Academic-Freedom-Under-Assault-from-Charles-Kochs-50-million-Campaign-to-Infiltrate-Higher-Education/

see list

Colorado State - home of Sea Level Rise.

Part of the Intro -

'Over the last several years, Greenpeace has exposed how foundations controlled by Kansas billionaires Charles and David Koch, owners of Koch Industries, have sent tens of millions of dollars to groups that deny climate change science, undermine policy solutions to the problem, and attack subsidies for clean energy competition while preserving handouts to fossil fuel companies.'

How can some Universities get Koch money and succumb to the dark side and others get Koch money and not. It seems so inconsistent.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Now you're getting it. Koch's tentacles are evil are everywhere.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:40am

Bugger, I still haven't got my cheque. :) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:41am

Colorado State blows which is why I attended my undergrad at a school full of hippies and liberals who only pretend to be hippies and liberals. Too proud for Koch money but maybe not.

Now I attend a place full of rich conservatives

debtors prison

Wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many rich conservatives but what do I care? The place will have me in debt for the rest of my years and no amount of Koch money will save me from that fate.

By the way, I'm loving these junk science Koch-funded graphs and rhetoric. Keep 'em coming.They would be amusing if they weren't so sad.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Good to see your scepticism. Was your college on the list?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

One may have:

Climate Denier Slips into University of Colorado, Boulder & Pepperdine University

In the spring of 2014, Steven F. Hayward taught "Free Market Environmentalism" at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Hayward has no credentials as a scientist nor economist, and has a long history of involvement anti-environmental campaigns for fossil fuel interests like Koch and ExxonMobil. "Free Market Environmentalism" is a concept promoted by the Koch-funded Property and Environment Research Center, of which Hayward is a board member.

Sounds like Ajax kind of people.

Here's another:

Colorado College, Colorado Springs $9,000

Attended there for two years.

Did not see University of Denver on the list but that doesn't surprise me, DU is more of a social programs school, not a science one.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:19pm

Hey Marla

The anthropogenic global warming nonsense that this younger generation is being bombarded with all hinders on one thing the bottom line.

And that is that CO2 controls the Earth's temperature..?!!?

Well it never has in the past even when we had 7000ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere compared to todays 400ppm.

Show me where CO2 has ever controlled temperature here on Earth...????

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

Naw, cannot be bothered with a Koch Brother shill such as yourself.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Naw, cannot be bothered with a Koch Brother shill such as yourself.

Scared to ask the question..?????......Why.....??????

Has thinking for oneself really become so difficult...???

Catchyalatter.........!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:27pm

Ajax wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Has thinking for oneself really become so difficult...???

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Why don't you look up the club of rome...?

Their the architects behind Anthropogenic Global Warming.

The bad thing is they play on your conscience for the environment, creates very effective foot soldiers.

I too like the environment and want it to be clean.

But don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:37pm

Carbon Trading May Dwarf That of Crude Oil

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32540966

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by perceptions_now on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

There has always been climate change!

Quite correct!

However, there has only ever been one time in the history of this planet, where the human Population went from 2 Billion to 7 Billion, in some 86 years.

World population milestones (USCB estimates) Population -
(in billions) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Year 1804 1927 1959 1974 1987 1999 2012

And, that factor has most certainly impacted the Global Climate!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm

perceptions_now wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Its not the total population of humans on the planet that has the biggest impact but rather HOW certain nations or groups of people live.

take the USA for example which only makes up about 5% of the total global population and yet, consumes about 1/3 of the worlds resources and produces about 30% of the globes total waste and pollution.

So you could have a planet comprised of say 3 Billion US citizens and the impact of the environment and resources is identical to say 45 Billion citizens from Vietnam or 270 Billion Bangladeshis.

The "gross numbers" hide which communities and individuals are causing the most problems for the planet.

Dig deeper and you realise that about 1 billion Humans on the planet are living unsustainably and causing about 90% of the impact on the planet.

And the Australian citizen is the World Gold medalist when it comes to carbon emissions. (partners with Canada and the USA)

People who point to overpopulation issues as the cause of the worlds problems usually live in the West and in the developed world (developed world could also be considered a contradiction in terms)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 14^th, 2015 at 4:51pm

The Koch Bros Grand Conspiracy Theory.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 14^th, 2015 at 4:56pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

And the Australian citizen is the World Gold medalist when it comes to carbon emissions.

Only on a per capita basis. But that's what happens when you have a small population and a large land mass to transport goods across.

What was it the Ibuki satellite showed; oh yes , Australia the world's third largest carbon sink. And a slight tinge of pink showing emissions from Sydney, Melbourne and Wollongong.

And OCO satellite showed nothing; except for the tropical north- sparsely inhabited and very little industry.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by gizmo_2655 on May 14^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Now you're getting it. Koch's tentacles are evil are everywhere.

Not to mention...NON existent. :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 14^th, 2015 at 11:00pm

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

And the Australian citizen is the World Gold medalist when it comes to carbon emissions.

let's all be socialists now and forget about privatised profits to foreign vested interests ;) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:15am

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Not to mention...NON existent. :D :D :D

Think again:
https://youtu.be/XmFHlMh3eMU

And Ajax is their puppet.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:34am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

Take the USA for example which only makes up about 5% of the total global population and yet, consumes about 1/3 of the worlds resources and produces about 30% of the globes total waste and pollution.

Which leads to many landfills all across America as being full or over capacity that we now dump tons of plastic like toxic computer circuit boards) into the Pacific Ocean which also affects climate change. But don't tell shills like Ajax that. You see, they "love" the environment as long as there is free will to pollute it by any means possible.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:37am

Ajax wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Blah blah blah anthropogenic blah blah blah Rome blah blah blah, some lame aphorism used to appear to others that I know what I'm talking about blah blah blah I like my environment blah blah blah.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am

Hey Marla

You really suck at predicting a book by its cover.

Since 1997 more than I/3 of ALL manmade CO2 has been released into the atmosphere yet temperatures have remained steady.......why.......???????

You're dead wrong about the oligarchy not wanting to trade in carbon credits, its going to be a $2 trillion dollar market per annum, even oil companies are pushing for all governments of this world to tax their people on the air they breath through carbon credits.

The Kotch borthers which btw I didn't know about until you brought it up here might be against carbon trading and taking orders from big oil or anyone else for that matter.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:44am

Ajax wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Hey Marla

You really suck at predicting a book by its cover.

That might change when you quit posting junk science from lame websites that have already been debunked.

Ajax wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Since 1997 more than I/3 of ALL manmade CO2 has been released into the atmosphere yet temperatures have remained steady.......why.......???????

More junk science. NOAA says different:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201412

Ajax wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

The Koch Brothers which btw I didn't know about until you brought it up here might be against carbon trading and taking orders from big oil or anyone else for that matter.

Yet you are their tool. How do you explain that?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:23am

Marla wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:44am:

That might change when you quit posting junk science from lame websites that have already been debunked.

They said the Earth was flat and anyone disagreeing was a heretic too kid.

Quote:

More junk science. NOAA says different:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201412

What do you expect from an organisation that is funded by AGW alarmists. Just exaggerated slightly have we...???
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/release/archive/2015/2014-global-temperature
http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/18/breaking-noaa-nasa-quietly-conceded-2014-was-probably-not-the-warmest-year-on-record/

Quote:

Yet you are their tool. How do you explain that?

Dear oh dear, hey kid open your eyes and learn about the world you live in.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 15^th, 2015 at 9:27am

The Ajax format reply:

a) Find a climate change denial post on the internet and present it as fact. The more wacko and obscure the author the better. The best are ones from some guru who is into tantric levitation or sells vitamins.

b) If anyone disagrees skip their point and go straight to abuse. Call them a stupid. Maybe throw in a line about their kids being retarded as well.

c) Get someone else to post that it was cold in their home town last Tuesday so how can that be global warming?

d) Finally finish the thread saying you don't care about it anyway and whine that Al Gore has a private jet.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by thanxforthecopperinternetgran on May 15^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

Ajax wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Are you saying heat doesn't get transported by oceans? The thermohaline cycle describes transport in the ocean by density changes and one of those density changes is due to salinity.... one of the ways salinity can change is due to the freezing process in which you are presumably saying wind plays no part!

http://education.nationalgeographic.com.au/education/encyclopedia/ocean-gyre/?ar_a=1

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:23pm

...and we must never forget the Great Supreme Dr Sircus

the mini Ice Age commenced in 2014 and will last for EXACTLY 15 years. Then there will be a Hot Age

Jethro the parrot has spoken

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

Good o know that UKMet is a denialist site. Keep that info coming.

Marla wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:44am:

More junk science. NOAA says different:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201412

Sorry, I don't see any CO2 figures there.

I guess you missed NOAA thought 2014 was hottest year ever; with a 48% confidence level. Which is explained in the supplement page as being "more unlikely than likely".

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/13/supplemental/page-1

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

perceptions_now wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

Well what do you suggest hairy arse, go back to the Neanderthal days.

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

The oligarchy for some reason think they need to make decision for the rest of us, is it because they know best, have better education than the average Joe Bloggs.

Don't know but there it is, some pigs (rich boys) want to tell the rest of the world 99.99% how, when, what and why.

They must think we're stupid and we can't make the right decision about anything.

The worst thing is they're turning ordinary people into their foot soldiers by playing on the conscience for the environment.

I mean who doesn't want a clean environment right..?? we would all go in to bat for that wouldn't we...???

So chimp snap out of it mate, sure lets clean up pollution in our rivers, chemicals and rubbish going into our waterways and seas, pollution going into the air, etc etc lets do all that.

But not through a $2trillion dollar carbon credit market the oligarchy want to create on the stock exchange so they can tax us for the air we breath.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Marla on May 19^th, 2015 at 1:43am

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

And you don't see any absurdity in that statement?

So when you lack scientific facts or, better, when scientific facts are presented in a way you don't agree with blaming the rich or some secret society makes up the ignorance.

So ironic.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

perceptions_now wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

oligarchs versus fossil fools ::) ::)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:35am

Marla wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

don't forget to throw in the word oligarch every now and again whilst smoking crack pipe in a batman suit :D :D :D :D

The thing is bored rich kids are allowed to do this: daddy doesn't care how the spare rental gets payed for aslong as his spasticated disgrace of a son stays out of his face ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by gizmo_2655 on May 19^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

Marla wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

Speaking from personal experience?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 19^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

perceptions_now wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

....Batman has no problem subsidising the fossil fuel corporate scam with tax payers money, as well as funding the wars fought over oil and resources. (In Australia the fossil fuel sectors, which are 83% foreign owned gouge the public tax purse to the tune of 12 billion dollars per year. The renewable sector would be lucky to receive 100 million dollars each year)

how much does that scam cost the "REST OF US" Bat crap you paranoid flat Earther?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 19^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Nobody wants to go back to the Paleolithic, and it's questions like that which illustrate that you're not really interesting in reading about the science. All you want is the status quo, regardless of the cost. When anybody questions your cut and pasted crapaganda, your come backs demonstrate that you don't understand and don't want to understand the issues. In short, you are a hypocrite. You subscribe to conspiracy theories about the Club of Rome. Anything other than trying to understand the issues.

It's perfectly possible to have a good, technologically advanced lifestyle without using fossil fuels and crapping all over the environment. At home, I'm pretty close to that lifestyle, relying on solar for power and bio-diesel for my 4WD. On the sea, again I have solar panels and deep cycle batteries. Even my tenders use quite powerful trolling motors, with the batteries charged by the solar panels.

I have all the modern conveniences, but have very little environmental impact.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 19^th, 2015 at 8:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

Marla wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

Speaking from personal experience?

There's more than a few protected species in Julie Bishops electorate but I think we all know that aint the only one around Perth with cashed up watch-ya-ma-callouts who only pretend they have to work like anywhere else in the western world :) :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 19^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

He didn't ask a question: oh wait, he didn't include a question mark please continue!

:D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Lionel Edriess on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

Who really cares? It ain't gonna happen in my lifetime - I'm almost worm-shite already. So all this discussion is pointless.

The world's resources are finite, yet we, as a species who can't sustain ourselves, continue to breed. While allowing half our number to starve.

Earth, as planet, will survive after mankind has strip-mined its resources in order to feed an ever burgeoning population of Homo-Sapiens with an increasing appetite for the attainment of individual satisfaction.

The fastest way to reverse climate change is to rid the world of the most serious polluters.

Cull the poor, non-productive and starving - easy!

The Greens have the answer. With a 40% reduction in world population, it's achievable - Paradise with electricity. ;D

Just a thought.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:48pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

The global population problem is a red Herring.

The USA makes up about 5% of the total global population and yet consumes about 1/3 of the planets resources and produces about 30% of the waste and pollution. This statistic generalises across the western nations meaning that about 15% of the worlds people require almost 90% of the worlds resources to sustain their life styles.

The problem is distribution of resources and the greedy life styles of the few.

So when people advocate a reduction in global population as a means to tackle problems of poverty and starvation, it depends on WHICH people are asked to reduced their environmental footprint.

You can eliminate say, 300 million Indians or Africans (excluding Sth Africans) and the effect on the earth will be negligible - this wouldnt even effect the statistics.

Eliminate 300 million US citizens, and 1/3 of worlds resources are freed up and there is a 30% reduction in pollution and waste overnight.

I dont see these problems as total global population related - not yet anyway - and I am not advocating the elimination of anybody.

These are very much political and social problems, and can be solved with sensible political will and the dismantling of the corpocracies that nurture this fascist tyrannical system of concentrated wealth and the rewarding of greed and socio-pathic behaviour.

We dont want to look in the mirror ladies and gentlemen - just point fingers.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Rider on May 20^th, 2015 at 1:29pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

The good old socialism masquerading as environmentalism. Take a bow Chump. You don't actually care about anything other than your socialist agenda, manifesting its ugly truth behind the convenient vehicle of the environment and sustainability..no wonder you explode with rage every time someone points to the big fat Agenda 21 elephant sitting in your closet.

Why do you do it? I mean, don't you have a life? or is effing up everyone elses so you can get rich what it is all about for you? You are worse than the worst of the capitalists you hate - at least they are honest about their activities - you are a fraud.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 20^th, 2015 at 2:22pm

Rider wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

oh whats wrong Rider - his a raw nerve in your little corporatised delusional fascist entitlement world fo yours?

Did your blood pressure increase because your morality base was upset?

You believe in socialism when it props up your deranged corporate welfare system dont you Rider.

You love tax payers money being spent on the elite dont you Rider?

And when youre exposed as a deranged fascist corporatist, you get personal and lash out like a pathetic puppet scoundrel freak maggot.

Well done Rider - get back in your smelly hole fighting the little people in this world - blaming everything on the masses so you can feel good about your materialistic immoral fascist life style. Do you still hate certain people in society Rider?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by John_Taverner on May 20^th, 2015 at 2:34pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

He didn't ask a question: oh wait, he didn't include a question mark please continue!

:D :D :D :D :D

A question is a question, even if inadequately punctuated.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Rider on May 20^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

:'(
Chimp_Logic wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Rider wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

;D ;D unlike the planet you pretend to care about it seems you've reached your very own 'tipping point'...just another pathetic fraud on the tax payers teat.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 20^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

Poor Rider, can't morally defend his fascist apologetics and delusional corporate welfare ethics and insane regressive paranoia

Poor sooky sooky Rider

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:32pm

Marla wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Anthropogenic global warming is a myth perpetrated by institutions like the club of rome and United nations which are all run by the oligarchy.

My Dear when you can present me with some real evidence that a rise in CO2 actually increases the temperature here on Earth i'll be all ears.

Until that time, unless you have something, its better to do away with all your bird droppings like above.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Dear JT

I'm glad you are doing something about the environment, if you can believe in that nonsense that CO2 somehow raises temperature here on Earth go ahead make sacrifices, Do you know how much energy Al Gore uses......???????????

I have looked at both sides of the science, actually when I first saw an inconvenient truth I was transformed into one of those foot soldiers I always talk about, I was there pumping my arm in the air saying yeah man we have to do something.

That lasted for a short time only, after I started talking about CO2 destroying our environment etc on forums, some guys where coming out and saying that for example CO2 lags temperature and No temperarure doesn't follow CO2.

Some talked about the hockey ssshhtickkk and how it left out the medieval warm period, then there was climate gate.

You know John if the science was settled there would be no need for this name calling and getting into a frenzy when a skeptic talked.

Sounds like the church when some people started saying the Earth was round not flat.

Or that your priest dear sir are molesting our children.

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by rabbitoh08 on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

For well over 100 years it has been known that increased emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide will warm the planet. As the lowest layer of the atmosphere, called the troposphere (surface to ~7 miles), is warmed, the air becomes more humid, because warmer air holds more water vapor. This "tropospheric water vapor feedback" approximately doubles the initial warming caused by carbon dioxide.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/news/2013/144_0930.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/45/18087

The global warming we are currently observing is being "driven" by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses. The warming increases water vapour which exacerbates the effect.

Seriously - this is high school science. Are you really that ignorant?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by gizmo_2655 on May 20^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

Then how did the Earth manage an Ice Age Glaciation 450 Million years ago, with a Co2 level of over 2000 ppm?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 20^th, 2015 at 9:15pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

The global warming we are currently observing is being "driven" by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses. The warming increases water vapour which exacerbates the effect.

Fig. 4. Global (80S to 80N) Mean TLS Anomaly plotted as a function of time. The thick black line is the observed time series from RSS V3.3 MSU/AMSU Temperatures. The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations. The mean value of each time series average from 1979-1984 is set to zero so the changes over time can be more easily seen. Note that the response to the volcanic eruptions of El Chichón (1983) and Pinatubo (1991) is too large in some of the models, and that the models tend to show less overall cooling than the observations.

Yep I can see the increasing CO2 is doing exactly that. Do I need a \sarc.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 20^th, 2015 at 9:57pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

My dear rabbido

watch from the 54 minute mark for a summary of Earth's energy balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:02pm

Murry Selby - yet Another crack pot freak who was sacked from an Australian University and is fundamentally confused about how the Carbon Cycle works on this planet.

Selby has embarrassed himself on the international stage by making basic scientific errors and propgating pseudo science and spin garbage.

You can put Selby in the crack pot basket along with Dr Sircus and the Easterbrook clown.

You would need to be a real nice person to cite Selby's work in order to support your AGW denialist religion.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, the AGW denialist dream team Sircus, Selby and the Easterbrook clowns

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Rider on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:45pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Quick roll out the Alinsky attack dog. You are a deceitful fraud Chump. Got nothing to say but attack the source. Your desperation is palpable.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:50pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

Then how did the Earth manage an Ice Age Glaciation 450 Million years ago, with a Co2 level of over 2000 ppm?

Link, thanx!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:51pm

Rider wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:45pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Quick roll out the Alinsky attack dog. You are a deceitful fraud Chump. Got nothing to say but attack the source. Your desperation is palpable.

Rider has nothing but hate for the kiddies! ;) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:52pm

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

The global warming we are currently observing is being "driven" by CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses. The warming increases water vapour which exacerbates the effect.

Is this graph properly labelled ?? ::) ::)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:58pm

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

On forums batman-with-a-crackpipe was led to believe complex systems don't exist and that engineering students did differential equations for no particular reason :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Is batman-with-a-crackpipe smarter than einstein??

Does batman with a crackpipe even believe in the concept of limits or is he still of the beleif infinite CO2 leads to infinite plant growth?

Actually, come to think of it: does batman-with-a-crackpipe believe in diseconomies of scale or not?

** hey, go jevons paradox forever because batman-with-a-crackpipe's dad said so: love you son ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh love you longtime daddykins? ...got anymore prawns and crayfish btw??

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by lee on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:59pm

Is that all you've got the labelling of the graph?

from this page

http://www.remss.com/research/climate

getting desperate.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:03pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Ajax wrote on May 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Show my one article that proves CO2 controls temperature here on Earth just one that's all I ask.......!!!!!!!!!

I like to tell ajax water is in a cycle (even tho he has written a thread entitled as such, he still doesn't realise what that actually means ;) ;)) because he hasn't let the penny drop yet: i put it down to him smoking crack... he just hasn't figured out how boring it is yet... these fake conservatives dads really should on moral grounds stop encouraging their sons to smoke it and sell it to pay off the spare rental but it takes all sorts I s'pose ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 21^st, 2015 at 5:06pm

lee wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Is that all you've got the labelling of the graph?

from this page

http://www.remss.com/research/climate

getting desperate.

So you are a conman using incorrectly labelled graphs: lucky I asked for the link which you knew you had to provide or else be labelled as dodgy as bobby :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

WE ARE WATCHING YOU ALL THE WAY BUDDY ;) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:31am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Hey Cerberus my hairy friend, does it really hurt that much to think once upon a time I was on your side....LOL...?

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:32am

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Hey chimp sometimes your mouth stinks more than your anus.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:16pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:31am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Hey Cerberus my hairy friend, does it really hurt that much to think once upon a time I was on your side....LOL...?

ok buddy: we all believe you because you smoke crack and your words are more powerful than anyone elses ;) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:32am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 21^st, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Hey chimp sometimes your mouth stinks more than your anus.

If Ajax is such a genius why can't he admit water is in a cycle?

:D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:36pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:

If Ajax is such a genius why can't he admit water is in a cycle?

:D :D :D

Hey there my three headed friend, we all know that 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth is due to water vapour and clouds.

CO2 and other trace gases that are also greenhouse gases has minimal effect.

Earth is a water planet, the water in its atmosphere is the biggest greenhouse gas.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm

Hey hairy nuts

Watch from the 54 minute mark so it can sink into your tiny little brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:36pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:

If Ajax is such a genius why can't he admit water is in a cycle?

:D :D :D

link, thanx!

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:50pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Hey hairy nuts

Watch from the 54 minute mark so it can sink into your tiny little brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0

AJAX can't admit water is in a cyle but additional CO2 is being mechanically injected to increase water vapour!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 1:00pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

AJAX can't admit water is in a cyle but additional CO2 is being mechanically injected to increase water vapour!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Poor poor Cerberus have trouble understanding the English language are we....????

You don't understand that what you're saying makes the 1% wag the other 99% around.

All trace gases (including CO2) also being greenhouse gases only account for 1% of the greenhouse effect, the rest is mainly from water vapour and clouds.

I can't say it any more plainly than that.

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 23^rd, 2015 at 1:12pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:36pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:

If Ajax is such a genius why can't he admit water is in a cycle?

:D :D :D

link, thanx!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431487789

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:39pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 1:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

AJAX can't admit water is in a cyle but additional CO2 is being mechanically injected to increase water vapour!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

-->> is batman really meant to be a strawman .... is that your really well manufactured red herring mr crack smoker on heroin bro????

;) ;)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by copperinternetISARORT on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:41pm

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 1:12pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Ajax wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:36pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:

If Ajax is such a genius why can't he admit water is in a cycle?

:D :D :D

link, thanx!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431487789

mr-as-yets-unsmashed-on-the-ground-ego links to himself to explain himself to whom? Himself perhaps??

See, kids: crack is not just whack but just really like super boring and stuff ::)

Title: Re: There has always been climate change!
Post by Ajax on May 24^th, 2015 at 9:45am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

AJAX can't admit water is in a cyle but additional CO2 is being mechanically injected to increase water vapour!

Have you actually read what you've been writing.

Makes no sense