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Title: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 10:34am
This guys refutation of so called (american) "Libertarianism" (really corporate totalitarianism) is excellent. As he says; you just need logic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuDPO2LSX4 |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by mortdooley on May 4th, 2015 at 11:24am
He hasn't a clue how wealth is created, we will leave our grandchildren crushing debt.
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 12:29pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 10:34am:
Proof positive that if you place a microphone and a video camera close enough to a leftist's asshole it will try to imitate a meadowlark, but it's breath will still smell like sh!t, and the message will still snort like the bull it came from. And then there will always be those here that will gladly gobble up all that bull sh!t and chant in lockstep that it's the logical gospel truth. Simple minds are simply convinced simply. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 12:34pm Mortdooley wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 11:24am:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 12:41pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
Leftists are always "Green" with envy. They envy what somebody else earned, and then need to take it away from them because those that refuse to earn it themselves are somehow more entitled to it. :-? :-? ::) Tax the rich the same as everyone else, and regulate only what legitimately needs regulation, not regulation for regulation's sake ;) |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 12:48pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Svengali on May 4th, 2015 at 12:50pm Mortdooley wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 11:24am:
There is an argument that considerable debt should be transmitted to future generations because when they are born they acquire the benefit of the public capital investment of generations that preceded them. Roads, bridges and other utilities and goods. So it is rational to argue that new generations should inherit debt from preceding generations. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by aussie100percent on May 4th, 2015 at 12:55pm Svengali wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
BLOODY good point! ;) |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 1:00pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:41pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 1:11pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 1:00pm:
Oh, is that so? ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D Is that before or after they vowed to become Trappist Monks, give all they have to the needy, and pledge their future labours to the needs of mankind? Please ::) ::) ::) ::) You're cutoff! No more beers (or whatever hes taking) to ImSpartacus2! :D :D ;D ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 1:23pm
Not one single well off or rich person in society could possibly live as well as they do if it wasn't for the community that makes it possible. They live far better then even kings 100 years ago lived. But even though they are the first to scream "user pays", there is no way they want to put a value on the extraordinary benefits they get from society compared to the rest of us. No, after all the benefits they get they argue that we owe them and should be grateful to them and try and tell them to go p!ss off and go live in the jungle and see how well they can do for themselves and there is no way you can get rid of them. Make no mistake, despite what the wealthy commercial elite say about how special they are, if you kick them out tomorrow there will be another wealthy elite replacing them in a blink of an eye. Its very little to do with them and the people who replace them and much more to do with circumstance and being at the right place at the right time. Sure we have different skills but without our skills they would not enjoy anywhere near the opulent life they enjoy today and its time they stopped overrating their skills and paying the true value for ours. Its like the steering wheel of a car saying, "If it wasn't for me you would not have a car" Yeah right, and what about the engine? Time the rich stopped talking themselves up to avoid paying their dues, like we all have to.
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 1:26pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 1:32pm ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 1:26pm:
Fool you say? ;D ;D ;D It's not me that eats up all that Buffett swill mate, give the mirror a hard squizz. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :P Your still cutoff! ;D ;D ;D :P |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 1:42pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 1:32pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Svengali on May 4th, 2015 at 1:58pm
Slaves like Denizen Tap refuse to be liberated.
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 2:06pm Svengali wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 1:58pm:
I don't want liberation. I earn my living, and I'm happy. I earn more than I need, so I stash the cash. I don't give it to the government, and I don't give it to the poor. I earned it and so should they, and I'm damn well going to keep and enjoy what's rightfully mine. Unlike you people, I don't envy those that have more, no I strive to do better. ;) So, Belly-up fellas, it's my Shout! |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Svengali on May 4th, 2015 at 2:10pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:06pm:
Abbott will find out where you live and the Abbott shakedown goons will steal your money-stuffed mattress while you slave away in the trenches. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 2:12pm Svengali wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:10pm:
;D ;D ;D It's been tried before, but I've been two steps ahead of them for years. I don't need to "slave away" to earn a living because it's fun when you do what you love, and you're damn good at what you do. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by innocentbystander. on May 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm aussie100percent wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
In that case shouldn't parents just spend all their money and then get a credit card full of debt for the kids to pay off instead of leaving them an inheritance? |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Tap on May 4th, 2015 at 2:27pm innocentbystander. wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
Good question. I can hear their squeals from here! ;) |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by bogarde73 on May 4th, 2015 at 3:14pm Svengali wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
That's true Svengali. Inter-generational transfer of debt (amortisation over a long term) is the way to go for public infrastructure expenditure, or as they used to call it, capital works. The trouble is, a lot of the debt that will be transferred on to future generations now will be in respect of recurrent expenditure. Or if you like, putting the mortgage payments on the credit card. That is not OK. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 4:49pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:06pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 4th, 2015 at 4:54pm Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:12pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by issuevoter on May 4th, 2015 at 6:08pm
Before Enron collapsed it was the biggest corporation in US history. In its last six years of operation it only paid tax in one year. All the money it made in the other five years by doing business in the US was protected by tax havens and creative accounting. So I think Mr Dooley is wrong when he says this guy does not know how wealth is created.
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by mortdooley on May 4th, 2015 at 10:40pm Svengali wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
I see where you are coming from now. Requiring the unborn to be responsible for the debt you create today makes a lot of sense in a chicken sh!t sort of way. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by ImSpartacus2 on May 5th, 2015 at 8:26am Mortdooley wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 10:40pm:
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by mortdooley on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am
Well Spart It appears you see my position as inconsistent because on the one hand I want future generations to suffer environmental disaster while not paying for huge debt left to them by us. Actually I very much want clean air and clean water, I just don't want to see a bogus carbon tax to charge us for the air we breathe.
You rarely hear the words Smog or Acid Rain in the US anymore but they were real problems until the EPA was able to enforce clean air standards. We switched to unleaded gasoline in 1975 and car exhaust systems stopped rotting out in forty thousand miles and now sometimes last the life of the car. People don't suffer hydrocarbon related respiratory illnesses as much as they used to. Smog in the US is mostly a thing of the past. The Oil and Chemical Industry stopped letting Hydrogen Sulfide gas leak into the atmosphere which combined with the airs humidity and came back down as a weak sulfuric acid bath on everything. It was a win for everyone, the industry had lower employee health care costs and their expensive equipment lasted longer and required less maintenance. People who lived around this industry benefited as well because their air was also cleaner. In 1994 Freon R-134a replaced Freon-12 due to Ozone depletion potential. These are the changes I have supported, not AlGore with his six homes, two private jets and fleet of vehicles telling the rest of us "Do as I say not as I do". I believe Governments should be financially and fiscally conservative with the Public's money just as individuals should be with theirs. An individual should save first, then pay bills and then enjoy whatever lifestyle the remainder can buy! Any debt is the moral responsibility of the borrower to repay in a timely manner. Just so you know I'M DEBT FREE and have been for years! Next month we go on an Alaskan Cruise made possible by conservative fiscal planning. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Marla on May 6th, 2015 at 4:31am Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
Proof positive that conservatives have nothing to offer but negativity. Give them a keyboard and they will use their asshole to post a reply Libertardianism philosophy is beyond the pale of idiocy and YOU have no answer other than name calling. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Marla on May 6th, 2015 at 4:47am Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
Lame. Not like your buddy Bush left generations of children in perpetual debt by not allowing for the Iraqi people the have the right to their own oil. Keep dreaming. You don't care for clean and water. I'm willing to bet you'd allow for BP to run amok all over gawd-forsaken east Texas if you could make a dollar or two off of it. Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
Lame II. You also don't hear much about AIDS anymore, either. But do go on and embarrass yourself equating acid rain to a Bigfoot sighting. Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
You have obviously never been to L.A. Oh, and remind me again who was behind getting the lead out of gasoline? Go on, Google it. Oil and chemical corporations can do no harm in Texass, right? You must have an elephant's memory: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/22/us/west-texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-investigation/ Places like Times Beach, Rocky Flats, Love Canal & Bhopal must all be fiction to you. You do recall what happened in Bhophal? Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
No they haven't. Most have shipped production overseas to countries where human life has little meaning and unregulated practices continue. Just because it's not happening in your backyard does not mean it's not happening elsewhere Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
Another EPA standard. Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:47am:
Lay off the Alex Jone$ |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Marla on May 6th, 2015 at 5:12am Mortdooley wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 11:24am:
Do enlighten me how wealth is created. Does it have anything to do with waving Chinese made American flags at sporting events? |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Marla on May 6th, 2015 at 5:34am Tap wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:06pm:
Whatever. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by mortdooley on May 6th, 2015 at 6:21am
I think I am being cyber-stalked.....
Marla wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 5:12am:
It doesn't have anything to do with playing on the Internet on company time! Marla wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 4:47am:
I never supported the Invasion of Iraq, as bad as Saddam was he was just the kind of neighbor Iran deserved. Marla wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 4:47am:
Actually I have been to LA, mountains on the east side and the Pacific breeze on the west side is a natural trap for whatever is in the air. Marla wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 4:47am:
Union Carbide no longer exists! When I was your age I thought I had all the answers too. Life got better when I accepted they were playing me for their own ends! |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by Marla on May 6th, 2015 at 6:29am Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 6:21am:
Yes, they do - under new management of Dow Chemical Mortdooley wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 6:21am:
Way, way lame. You circumvent questions and then blame it on your ego. |
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Title: Re: Simple Truths Post by mortdooley on May 6th, 2015 at 12:02pm
It must be the thin air there.
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