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CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe”. You risk court, as two Christian pastors in Melbourne found in 2004. But criticise Christianity — celebrate even the burning of a church — and you’re a “progressive”. The ABC is your friend. Islamophobia bad; Christophobia good. Take last week. In the days before Easter, Christianity’s holiest time, no fewer than four Melbourne churches were torched. The loveliest, Brighton’s Catholic Church of St James, was burned down, its magnificent stained glass, bells and organ destroyed. This was not just an attack on a building, but on a community pledged to goodness. As the St James website reminds parishioners, each have “special talents or gifts ... given to us for the enrichment of the lives of others and so that we can serve God better”. So “visit the sick and elderly, feed the hungry, teach those who want to learn, console the lonely and sorrowful ...” Such teachings have already inspired Christians to create the Red Cross, St John Ambulance, Royal Flying Doctor Service, Salvation Army, St Vincent de Paul Society, World Vision and many fine private hospitals, hospices and schools. Yet when St James was destroyed, actor Rachel Griffiths was given sympathetic time on Melbourne ABC radio to say how good she felt. “I was quite elated, like many of my generation, when I heard the news,” she said. See, this church had more than three decades ago employed a paedophile priest, so “it’s always been a difficult building for us to drive past”. This church must be burned for the sins of one priest? Should we also burn your Hollywood for the crimes of Roman Polanski, Ms Griffiths? As Anglican priest Mark Durie, an adjunct research fellow of the Centre for the Study of Islam and Other Faiths at the Melbourne School of Theology, says: “There is a kind of popular mood of hatred of Christianity.” The media class is responsible for much of it, often savaging Christianity in a way it wouldn’t dream of doing to Islam. For instance, Fairfax newspapers and the ABC in 2011 damned an obscure US pastor for threatening to burn copies of the Koran. Yet Australian filmmaker Corey Sinclair marked Easter Monday with a column in the NT News attacking his Christian relatives and boasting of “a small Bible they handed out at one sing-a-long that my friends ended up using for joint paper”. Or take the reaction three years ago to Innocence of Muslims, a laughably bad YouTube clip crudely satirising Islam. Prime minister Julia Gillard called it “truly disgusting” and The Age publish a polemic attacking such “Islamophobia”. Yet SBS marked Easter Sunday — the day of Christ’s supposed resurrection — by screening Monty Python’s Life of Brian, a film mocking Christ as “just a naughty boy”. No respect? No problem Likewise, the media routinely portray people opposing the building of new mosques as bigots and extremists, but don’t likewise smear the West Australian Government for now refusing to build a dedicated Christian chapel at the new Perth Children’s Hospital, even though it plans a separate Muslim prayer area. Extreme sensitivity to rudeness to Muslims may well seem a virtue, but then there’s a puzzling deafness to crimes against Christians. Last year a university lecturer saw a Muslim woman on a Sydney train take off her scarf, and jumped to the conclusion she must have been scared and needing company. The subsequent hashtag #illridewithyou became a worldwide Twitter sensation, pushed by the ABC and other Leftist media outlets. But those same media outlets barely reported a word of the Easter address of Pope Francis, who warned of the “brothers and sisters who are persecuted, exiled, killed, beheaded, for the only reason of being a Christian” – “martyrs today” in places such as Syria, Iraq, Nigeria and Kenya who “are more numerous than in the first centuries”. No, the media looks the other way when Christians, not Muslims, are the victims, and when Muslims, not Christians, are the perpetrators. Even when the slaughter of Christians is too horrible to ignore, note a telling evasion. Last week, the day before Easter, gunmen from the Islamist al-Shabab slaughtered more than 140 Christian students in Kenya. Yet on three successive days, the ABC television news reports did not mention the faith of the killers — the critical clue to why they killed only Christians. Lateline’s first report also refused to identify the killers’ faith and motive. Is the ABC now so cowed by fear of seeming “Islamophobic” that it cannot even identify a Muslim terrorist by the cheery light of its burning church?

Andrew Bolt nails it again...

the ABC and SBS must go...

they are supporting terrorism and violent islamification of Australia...  >:(

Hmmm, no reference cited for this article.

That can only mean two things: it's from Bolt or it's from Pickering.

My guess is Bolt.

Why are Islamophobes so scared of citing their misguided references?

It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts
like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies.

once again the maggots of the forum attack the author instead of the truth of whats being said...

if you've got nothing to say then rack off and go stick your silly head in the bosoms of your leftie luving brain washing leftist media... 

Pecker loves muslims, the one muslim in Nutbush was so polite when she served him his fish taco the other night. Ever heard of 'white flight', Gwegg?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

if you've got nothing to say then rack off and go stick your silly head in the bosoms of your leftie luving brain washing leftist media...

It's difficult, but try to ignore these post-Taggers and graffiti artists who have enjoyed a long-time sponsorship and patronage from Freediver and gandalf to vandalise this forum board for the schadenfreude amusement this provides them with.

Meanwhile ....

... any radicalisation of Australia's Muslim youth is entirely our fault. It has nothing to do with Islam, or their Muslim parents, or their Muslim community, or their Muslim imams, or parts of the Koran that they find inspirational in motivating them towards violent jihad.

Have you got that?

WE ARE THE PROBLEM

It's little shìts like us White Judeo-Christian Westerners who are totally at fault every time a Boston Bombing happens or a Lindt cafe becomes an abattoir.

Please read on if you have any doubt ... They had a Meeting at which it was Decided that you and I have a lot to answer for. It's us båstards who should hang our heads in shame.

link

Kat wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies.

Are there any specific lies in the article? Or did he merely fail to point out the greater truth and various other platitudes?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 8:27am:

Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article?

"CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe”

Nonsense.

I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe.

Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims.

Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 8:27am:

Are there any specific lies in the article?

Another lie:

" ... criticise Christianity — celebrate even the burning of a church — and you’re a “progressive”. The ABC is your friend."

I don't hate Islam, I just hate Islam in Australia.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Andrew Bolt nails it again... the ABC and SBS must go... they are supporting terrorism and violent islamification of Australia...  >:(

Bolt is interested in his Islamophobia.  The ABC and SBS is interested in reporting the News.  Two different things.  The Bolter is a dill.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 9:29am:

I don't hate Islam, I just hate Islam in Australia.

Islamophobia?  Yes, your Honour!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Are there any specific lies in the article? Another lie: " ... criticise Christianity — celebrate even the burning of a church — and you’re a “progressive”. The ABC is your friend."

So all the facts and examples of hypocrisy are true, you merely disagree with the conclusions drawn?

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

So all the facts ... are true ...

I have no reason to dispute those reports.



freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

So all the  ... examples of hypocrisy are true ...

No.

|dev|null wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:29am: I don't hate Islam, I just hate Islam in Australia. Islamophobia?  Yes, your Honour!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

So what name do they have for instances like a Sunni driving a car bomb into a market to kill Shia Muslims?

What about when Muslims machinegun 100's of unarmed muslims in the head? Do they have a catchy name for that too?

What about when muslims shoot down 100's of young school kids? Some still in bed? Do you have a name for that?

What name do they use for all the muslim V muslim hatred?

Theydon'trepresentmuslimsaphobia?

I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 11:22am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:29am: I don't hate Islam, I just hate Islam in Australia. Islamophobia?  Yes, your Honour!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D So what name do they have for instances like a Sunni driving a car bomb into a market to kill Shia Muslims? What about when Muslims machinegun 100's of unarmed muslims in the head? Do they have a catchy name for that too? What about when muslims shoot down 100's of young school kids? Some still in bed? Do you have a name for that?

Murder.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US.

Ditto.

Those Christians love to knock on the door and force their pamphlets into your hands though, don't they?

I haven't seen any Muslims doing that.

In fact, I have never had a Muslim mention religion to me at all.  Not once.

Many of my Christian friends and family members, however, never shut up about it.

I've been asked several times, by Christians, to attend a church.

Not once have I been asked by a Muslim to attend a mosque.

Who has been forcing their religion onto you?

That's because there aren't any Muslims in Nutbush, Pecker.

Back to the OP, ladies and gentlemen.


Last week, the day before Easter, gunmen from the Islamist al-Shabab slaughtered more than 140 Christian students in Kenya. Yet on three successive days, the ABC television news reports did not mention the faith of the killers — the critical clue to why they killed only Christians. Lateline’s first report also refused to identify the killers’ faith and motive.

Does anyone dispute this? Is it not fair to say the editorial policy of the ABC is to pander to, and not offend, Muslims, even when confronted with one of their latest atrocities?

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

That's because there aren't any Muslims in Nutbush, Pecker.

au contraire

My suburb - the most multicultural suburb in Australia - has quite a few Muslims.

Back in 2001, Victoria Park had the seventh highest number of Muslims in WA.  The numbers have gone up a lot since then.

Every day, I pass them on the street, see them at the shopping centre, and talk to the ones who are my neighbours.

In the years that I've lived here, not one of them has mentioned religion.  Not ever.

On the other hand, I get Christians knocking on my door fairly regularly, trying to convince me to become one of them.

So tell us, who has been forcing their religion onto you?

Do you have some examples?

So there's this little media organisation called Fairfax and this little political party called the ALP. Ever heard of them?

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 11:22am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:29am: I don't hate Islam, I just hate Islam in Australia. Islamophobia?  Yes, your Honour!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D So what name do they have for instances like a Sunni driving a car bomb into a market to kill Shia Muslims?

"Sectarian violence"?


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What about when Muslims machinegun 100's of unarmed muslims in the head? Do they have a catchy name for that too?

"Islamic extremism"?


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What about when muslims shoot down 100's of young school kids? Some still in bed? Do you have a name for that?

"Terrorism"?


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What name do they use for all the muslim V muslim hatred?

"Islamic hatred"?


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Theydon'trepresentmuslimsaphobia?

You need a hash sign to have it recognised by Jitter.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

So there's this little media organisation called Fairfax and this little political party called the ALP. Ever heard of them?

Bit hard as he's in Western Australia where Fairfax doesn't have any media outlets.  I'm sure Greg's aware of the ALP.  A finer bunch of Australians I don't know of.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

issuevoter wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

Back to the OP, ladies and gentlemen. Last week, the day before Easter, gunmen from the Islamist al-Shabab slaughtered more than 140 Christian students in Kenya. Yet on three successive days, the ABC television news reports did not mention the faith of the killers — the critical clue to why they killed only Christians. Lateline’s first report also refused to identify the killers’ faith and motive. Does anyone dispute this? Is it not fair to say the editorial policy of the ABC is to pander to, and not offend, Muslims, even when confronted with one of their latest atrocities?

I read the bolt article, i still dont see the connection between what happened in kenya and reclaim australia.

Reclaim Aus are a aussie movement.

wally1 wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 2:12pm: Back to the OP, ladies and gentlemen. Last week, the day before Easter, gunmen from the Islamist al-Shabab slaughtered more than 140 Christian students in Kenya. Yet on three successive days, the ABC television news reports did not mention the faith of the killers — the critical clue to why they killed only Christians. Lateline’s first report also refused to identify the killers’ faith and motive. Does anyone dispute this? Is it not fair to say the editorial policy of the ABC is to pander to, and not offend, Muslims, even when confronted with one of their latest atrocities? I read the bolt article, i still dont see the connection between what happened in kenya and reclaim australia. Reclaim Aus are a aussie movement.

Not a bad description - bowel movement.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:37pm: So all the facts ... are true ... I have no reason to dispute those reports. freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:37pm: So all the  ... examples of hypocrisy are true ... No.

What examples of hypocrisy are untrue? I do not think the author ever pointed out the hypocrisy. He just stated facts that if true, would lead a rational person to conclude hypocrisy. So what exactly is 'wrong' with the article?

The views of those in the op are common amongst our 'intellectual elite'.

Of course, you could reduce the "discussion" to this: What is the difference between Muslims in Australia, and those in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa? I'll leave that to individuals to answer, but remember this, all Muslims preach out of the same book.

If you don't know what is in that book I suggest you find out.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:40pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:37pm: So all the facts ... are true ... I have no reason to dispute those reports. freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:37pm: So all the  ... examples of hypocrisy are true ... No. What examples of hypocrisy are untrue? I do not think the author ever pointed out the hypocrisy. He just stated facts that if true, would lead a rational person to conclude hypocrisy. So what exactly is 'wrong' with the article?

There's no hypocrisy.

Here's hypocrisy-one of the biggest advocates of multiculturalism fled to the whitest state in Australia (after Tasmania).

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

Here's hypocrisy-one of the biggest advocates of multiculturalism fled to the whitest state in Australia (after Tasmania).

1.  I'm not an advocate of multiculturalism.

2. I live in the most multicultural state, and suburb, in the country.

3. Look up 'multiculturalism' in a dictionary.

4. Look up 'dictionary' on google.

1 . You're always the first to throw the gay racist tag around when anyone brings up valid points regarding border protection, the divisiveness of Islam and Australia's immigration policy in general.
2. Over half of the immigration intake in Western Australia are from skilled western countries (for the mining). Not quite Lakemba is it?
3. Western Australia has the lowest proportion  of Chinese,  Indian and overall middle easterners in Australia (after Tasmania).
4. You yourself admit to having lived all over Australia. What made you decide go buy property in the two whitest states in Australia
5 . You're a pathetic,old, leftard, hypocrite so their is no way you'll tell the trufh about how you 'really' feel about multiculturalism.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

...  their is no way you'll tell the trufh about how you 'really' feel about multiculturalism.

I'm not a big fan.

If I could wave a magic wand, I'd take us back to the early '60s.

Having said that, the current situation in Australia doesn't bother me at all.

I live and let live.

Just as long as YOU don't have to live iin it, eh?

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 8:56pm:

Just as long as YOU don't have to live iin it, eh?

I live in the most multicultural suburb in Australia.

I have no plans to move.

Lowest proportion of Chinese, Indians and overall middle easterners of all the states after Tasmania. It's called white flight, a tactic  favoured by many a multicultist.

Dismantling the white Australia policy was an important point in our history. I support multiculturalism because I prefer to live in a cosmopolitan society. Muslims reject multiculturalism or any tolerance of pluralism. It is in the Koran. Therefore we need to reject Muslims.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article? "CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe” Nonsense. I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims.

Really?? When have you ever 'criticised' Islam??

He often takes a break from defending Islam and Muslims to criticise Islam, for example by saying that he criticises Islam.

;D ;D ;D

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 2:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:16am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article? "CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe” Nonsense. I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims. Really?? When have you ever 'criticised' Islam??

When you hurl the islamophobe slur at critics of Islam you are defending Islam.

13 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for atheism, this is what dim wits like peccahead defend when they throw the islamophobe slur at critics of Islam

The last great battle for humans will be Christianity versus Islam.

And ISIS and the like are making it a reality. They have told Muslims to go out and spread death amongst non Muslim Countries.

People hope that it will go away, that it is a momentary thing but it isn't, World War 3 has already begun.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 2:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:16am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article? "CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe” Nonsense. I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims. Really?? When have you ever 'criticised' Islam??

In this forum, at least a dozen times.

Do a search of "I think Islam is a particularly silly religion", and my name will come up.

And, just so there's no doubt in your mind, I'll say it again just for you, without the quotation marks:

Islam is a particularly silly religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be a part of it.

There we go - In the future, pay attention.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:08pm: I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US. Ditto. Those Christians love to knock on the door and force their pamphlets into your hands though, don't they? I haven't seen any Muslims doing that. In fact, I have never had a Muslim mention religion to me at all.  Not once. Many of my Christian friends and family members, however, never shut up about it. I've been asked several times, by Christians, to attend a church. Not once have I been asked by a Muslim to attend a mosque. Who has been forcing their religion onto you?

That's funny Gweggary ... comparing Mormons(no pamphlets) & Jehovahs Witnesses to Muslims.

Firstly both are polite & may want to talk to you ...Mormons may ask to come in & bless your house....

Never had a Jehovah force a pamphlet into my hand

& with both you can tell them you're not interested or to bugger off.

And they leave ........

hardly a comparison to the violence we see when Muslims for the slightest criticism or feigned insult.   

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:29pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:08pm: I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US. Ditto. Those Christians love to knock on the door and force their pamphlets into your hands though, don't they? I haven't seen any Muslims doing that. In fact, I have never had a Muslim mention religion to me at all.  Not once. Many of my Christian friends and family members, however, never shut up about it. I've been asked several times, by Christians, to attend a church. Not once have I been asked by a Muslim to attend a mosque. Who has been forcing their religion onto you? That's funny Gweggary ... comparing Mormons(no pamphlets) & Jehovahs Witnesses to Muslims. Firstly both are polite & may want to talk to you ...Mormons may ask to come in & bless your house.... Never had a Jehovah force a pamphlet into my hand & with both you can tell them you're not interested or to bugger off. And they leave ........ hardly a comparison to the violence we see when Muslims for the slightest criticism or feigned insult.

The comment was in regard to people forcing their religion onto others (see the highlighted text above).

I have never - ever - had a Muslim talk to me about religion, and I have never - ever - had a Muslim knock on my door trying to convert me.

I can't say the same for Christians.

How many Muslims have knocked on your door, trying to sell you their religion?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 9:20am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:29pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:08pm: I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US. Ditto. Those Christians love to knock on the door and force their pamphlets into your hands though, don't they? I haven't seen any Muslims doing that. In fact, I have never had a Muslim mention religion to me at all.  Not once. Many of my Christian friends and family members, however, never shut up about it. I've been asked several times, by Christians, to attend a church. Not once have I been asked by a Muslim to attend a mosque. Who has been forcing their religion onto you? That's funny Gweggary ... comparing Mormons(no pamphlets) & Jehovahs Witnesses to Muslims. Firstly both are polite & may want to talk to you ...Mormons may ask to come in & bless your house.... Never had a Jehovah force a pamphlet into my hand & with both you can tell them you're not interested or to bugger off. And they leave ........ hardly a comparison to the violence we see when Muslims for the slightest criticism or feigned insult.    The comment was in regard to people forcing their religion onto others (see the highlighted text above). I have never - ever - had a Muslim talk to me about religion, and I have never - ever - had a Muslim knock on my door trying to convert me. I can't say the same for Christians. How many Muslims have knocked on your door, trying to sell you their religion?

No... you're right ....... they have other methods of forcing their ideals & beliefs on other non muslims ....

by stealth (legislation allowing Muslim courts aka sharia), Halal Certification scam, PC & dopey judiciary excusing criminal activity(child molesting) because of "cultural differences" etc

& by direct violence ...

that has been demonstrated in every western country who has openly welcomed Muslim migration.

Without fail.

red baron wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

The last great battle for humans will be Christianity versus Islam.

The last great battle for humans will be the Haves versus the Have-nots.  Won't matter if the opiate of the masses is involved on either side.  It will be all about a distribution of the means of production!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

|dev|null wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

red baron wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 9:08am: The last great battle for humans will be Christianity versus Islam. The last great battle for humans will be the Haves versus the Have-nots.  Won't matter if the opiate of the masses is involved on either side.  It will be all about a distribution of the means of production!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

I believe the last great battle will be over water.

... but by then it won't be so much a battle as an apocalypse.

I'd call jedi and pastafarian silly religions. I'd call Islam evil.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

I'd call jedi and pastafarian silly religions. I'd call Islam evil.

All religions are silly and potentially dangerous and evil.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

All religions are potentially evil. Islam just is.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

All religions are potentially evil. Islam just is.

You should write bumper stickers.

so gweggory despises getting a pamphlet from a peace loving Christian

but embraces a beheading from the Muslims...

nice one maggot...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

so gweggory despises getting a pamphlet from a peace loving Christian

Nope.  Never said anything like that.



President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

but embraces a beheading from the Muslims...

Nope.  Have never said anything like that.



President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

nice one maggot...

Personal abuse - this is what you should stick to.  Everything else seems to be a bit of a struggle for you.

Well Greggory,, how do you reconcile your reproach of capital punishment with the Koran's endorsement of said?  I'm all  ears mister apology man.

Quote:

In this forum, at least a dozen times.

Said the guy with 24000 posts. Have you ever made a criticism of Islam that was not a direct response to people pointing out that you are always defending it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 3:44pm: All religions are potentially evil. Islam just is. You should write bumper stickers.

Perhaps he's Tone Rabbit's speech writer?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 5:25pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 3:44pm: All religions are potentially evil. Islam just is. You should write bumper stickers. Perhaps he's Tone Rabbit's speech writer?   ::)

Gawd, you are a hopeless idiot.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:29pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 1:08pm: I celebrate different religions and cultures.  I despise the failed philosophy of forcing them upon US. Ditto. Those Christians love to knock on the door and force their pamphlets into your hands though, don't they? I haven't seen any Muslims doing that. In fact, I have never had a Muslim mention religion to me at all.  Not once. Many of my Christian friends and family members, however, never shut up about it. I've been asked several times, by Christians, to attend a church. Not once have I been asked by a Muslim to attend a mosque. Who has been forcing their religion onto you? That's funny Gweggary ... comparing Mormons(no pamphlets) & Jehovahs Witnesses to Muslims. Firstly both are polite & may want to talk to you ...Mormons may ask to come in & bless your house.... Never had a Jehovah force a pamphlet into my hand & with both you can tell them you're not interested or to bugger off. And they leave ........ hardly a comparison to the violence we see when Muslims for the slightest criticism or feigned insult.

bump


muslims behead Christian because they are christians.

you complain on the net of an invitation to a church.
I see why, you are gutless.

Islamophobia, such a convenient concept for avoiding a serious problem in the Western World. Muslims are just like us, right? They believe in multiculturalism and freedom of speech, and they love other religions, just like Mohamed their prophet told them to.

Did anyone notice today that the Paks let the leader of the Mombai attacks go? Why not? They are all Muslim brothers.

Soren wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 7:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 5:25pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 3:44pm: All religions are potentially evil. Islam just is. You should write bumper stickers. Perhaps he's Tone Rabbit's speech writer?   ::) Gawd, you are a hopeless idiot.

You do seem to enjoy launching straight in with your ad hominem debate, don't you, Soren?   ::)

issuevoter wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:22pm:

Islamophobia, such a convenient concept for avoiding a serious problem in the Western World. Muslims are just like us, right? They believe in multiculturalism and freedom of speech, and they love other religions, just like Mohamed their prophet told them to. Did anyone notice today that the Paks let the leader of the Mombai attacks go? Why not? They are all Muslim brothers.

Actually, they let Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi out on bail, not "go" as you so distinctly put it.

Seems, on the surface of it, a fair decision.  If you have any information that it is a bad decision, I am sure the Pakistani Ambassador would like to speak to you.   ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 2:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:16am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article? "CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe” Nonsense. I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims. Really?? When have you ever 'criticised' Islam?? In this forum, at least a dozen times. Do a search of "I think Islam is a particularly silly religion", and my name will come up. And, just so there's no doubt in your mind, I'll say it again just for you, without the quotation marks: Islam is a particularly silly religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be a part of it. There we go - In the future, pay attention.

Well, you must have gone back and deleted ALL the threads where you posted "I think Islam is a particularly silly religion", because, when I did a search, THIS seems to be the only thread where you've posted that...

Thanks for the non-answer regarding capital punishment, Greggory. How do you feel about the punishment of death for apostasy which is espoused in the Koran?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 9:09am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 10th, 2015 at 2:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 9:16am: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 8:27am: Kat wrote on Apr 9th, 2015 at 7:31am: It's a crying shame the ABC/SBS doesn't take legal action against carnts like Bolt etc. for spreading this kind of defamatory filth and lies. Are there any specific lies in the article? "CRITICISE Islam and you’re an “Islamophobe” Nonsense. I criticise Islam, and I'm no Islamophobe. Islamophobia is a prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. Informed criticism is perfectly fine; it doesn't mean that one hates Islam or is frightened of Muslims. Really?? When have you ever 'criticised' Islam?? In this forum, at least a dozen times. Do a search of "I think Islam is a particularly silly religion", and my name will come up. And, just so there's no doubt in your mind, I'll say it again just for you, without the quotation marks: Islam is a particularly silly religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be a part of it. There we go - In the future, pay attention. Well, you must have gone back and deleted ALL the threads where you posted "I think Islam is a particularly silly religion", because, when I did a search, THIS seems to be the only thread where you've posted that...

I haven't deleted anything.

However, just for you: I think Islam is a particularly silly religion, and I don't know why anyone would want to be a part of it.

There we go - you have it on record twice now.

My position couldn't be any clearer.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:32am:

Thanks for the non-answer regarding capital punishment, Greggory. How do you feel about the punishment of death for apostasy which is espoused in the Koran?

I didn't see your question.

However, this is quite simple to answer.

I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever.

Capiche?

My view on capital punishment doesn't come from what a book or person of faith tells me.

Mine comes from the fact I support people being removed from this earth who have committed crimes so heinous that they give up that right to further exist.

Namely first degree murder, child related offenses etc

Capital punishment supported by a strong and fair judicial system of appeal hearings and trial by jury.
Best card game in town for law and order.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 6:21am:

Capital punishment supported by a strong and fair judicial system of appeal hearings and trial by jury. Best card game in town for law and order.

Incorrect.

It doesn't deter other criminals.

Check out all the states in the US that have capital punishment, and see how their law and order is going.

There's no place in civilised society for state-sanctioned premeditated killing as a form of punishment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 6:25am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 6:21am: Capital punishment supported by a strong and fair judicial system of appeal hearings and trial by jury. Best card game in town for law and order. Incorrect. It doesn't deter other criminals. Check out all the states in the US that have capital punishment, and see how their law and order is going. There's no place in civilised society for state-sanctioned premeditated killing as a form of punishment.

It is not a form of punishment, its a matter of taking out the garbage.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 7:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 6:25am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 6:21am: Capital punishment supported by a strong and fair judicial system of appeal hearings and trial by jury. Best card game in town for law and order. Incorrect. It doesn't deter other criminals. Check out all the states in the US that have capital punishment, and see how their law and order is going. There's no place in civilised society for state-sanctioned premeditated killing as a form of punishment. It is not a form of punishment ....

Capital punishment.

Concentrate on the second word for a minute or two, and then see if you can figure out where you went wrong.

If you're still struggling, let me know ... I'll help you out.

Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ...

Slippery?  Which part was slippery?

"I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever."

My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest.



Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment.

Absolutely correct.



Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'.

Barbaric, to say the least.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least.

It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam?

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam?

See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong.

I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

Thats exactly right.
I don't like religion and I will criticize religion whether it is Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhism.
HOWEVER I will defend people from being persecuted simply because of their religion.

I agree, except for Muslims who do return the compliment.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

I agree, except for Muslims who do return the compliment.

And which Muslims would that be?

Gee, could it be the radical, rabid ones or the innocent, normal ones?  ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do.

They freely admit that they hate Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do.

They freely admit that they hate Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims, and I'm not scared of them.

Why do these muslim bum licking apologists on here keep saying posters fear islam? Nobody has ever posted such a thing so it's an assumption . Where's the proof muslim bum lickers? People fear a bomb going off and  the damage islam is going to do to a future Australia but why would anybody fear their backward religion? Provide me with a post where a poster has written  that they hate muslims. People write that  they  the muslims religion but  and not the people. Where's the proof Greggorry king muslim bum licker of the universe?

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Why do these muslim bum licking apologists on here keep saying posters fear islam? Nobody has ever posted such a thing so it's an assumption . Where's the proof muslim bum lickers? People fear a bomb going off and  the damage islam is going to do to a future Australia but why would anybody fear their backward religion? Provide me with a post where a poster has written  that they hate muslims. People write that  they  the muslims religion but  and not the people. Where's the proof Greggorry king muslim bum licker of the universe?

QED.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 4:18pm: Why do these muslim bum licking apologists on here keep saying posters fear islam? Nobody has ever posted such a thing so it's an assumption . Where's the proof muslim bum lickers? People fear a bomb going off and  the damage islam is going to do to a future Australia but why would anybody fear their backward religion? Provide me with a post where a poster has written  that they hate muslims. People write that  they  the muslims religion but  and not the people. Where's the proof Greggorry king muslim bum licker of the universe? QED.   ::)

I suppose you are one of those people who get a fuzzy feeling when you see a woman walking down the street in bondage because her husband thinks some kaffir is going to steal her away?

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

FD suddenly believes islamophobia exists.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 4:18pm: Why do these muslim bum licking apologists on here keep saying posters fear islam? Nobody has ever posted such a thing so it's an assumption . Where's the proof muslim bum lickers? People fear a bomb going off and  the damage islam is going to do to a future Australia but why would anybody fear their backward religion? Provide me with a post where a poster has written  that they hate muslims. People write that  they  the muslims religion but  and not the people. Where's the proof Greggorry king muslim bum licker of the universe? QED.   ::) I suppose you are one of those people who get a fuzzy feeling when you see a woman walking down the street in bondage because her husband thinks some kaffir is going to steal her away?

Nope.  ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm: That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different? FD suddenly believes islamophobia exists.

Funny, that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different? I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do. They freely admit that they hate Muslims. I don't hate Muslims.

It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead?

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different? I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do. They freely admit that they hate Muslims. I don't hate Muslims. It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead?

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes.

Capiche?

I must admit, its a fair question greg - when you trip over yourself trying play up your "Islamic ideology sux" credentials, it doesn't leave you a lot of room for maneuver in defending muslims. If a muslim is defined as a person who adheres to a barbaric and dangerous religion (which you do) You are basically only left with the old "muslims are ok in spite of their beliefs." Which is not terribly convincing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different? I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do. They freely admit that they hate Muslims. I don't hate Muslims. It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead? I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational. That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes. Capiche?

Actually, that is how you are the same. All the Islamophobes say they have no irrational fear or hatred, just like you do.

Capiche?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

I must admit, its a fair question greg - when you trip over yourself trying play up your "Islamic ideology sux" credentials, it doesn't leave you a lot of room for maneuver in defending muslims. If a muslim is defined as a person who adheres to a barbaric and dangerous religion (which you do) You are basically only left with the old "muslims are ok in spite of their beliefs." Which is not terribly convincing.

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

I also don't like reality TV, however, I have no fear or hatred towards Big Brother contestants.

I also don't like country and western music, however, I have no fear or hatred towards Garth Brooks.

Capiche?

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:37am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:27am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:47am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 9:11am: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer  ... Slippery?  Which part was slippery? "I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever." My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: ... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment. Absolutely correct. Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11th, 2015 at 8:35am: Now for your views on death for apostasy.  Let me guess; 'silly'. Barbaric, to say the least. It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam? See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong. I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. One can disagree with something, without fearing it. That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different? I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims. Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do. They freely admit that they hate Muslims. I don't hate Muslims. It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead? I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational. That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes. Capiche? Actually, that is how you are the same. All the Islamophobes say they have no irrational fear or hatred, just like you do. Capiche?

Incorrect.

They freely admit to their fear and hatred, however, they say that it's rational.

I simply do not have a fear or hatred of Muslims.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

I'm glad to hear it. But wouldn't it be rational to fear muslims based on your interpretation of Islam? Your understanding of Islamic ideology - from what I've heard from you - seems to be just as critical and vitriolic as the Islamophobes. If this interpretation of yours is indeed the same as the Islamophobes (and I'm happy to be corrected) - that muslims are supposed to believe in slaughtering infidels and spreading Islam by the sword etc - then I put it to you that its they who are being rational in fearing muslims. Moreover, it is you who is irrational assuming that muslims will simply disobey their barbaric laws - despite continuing to call themselves muslim.

But I'm more than happy to be corrected on your understanding of Islamic ideology.

Can you quote them?

not besides his oft-repeated descriptions of Islam as "ridiculous", "silly" and "barbaric" - and probably some other similar adjectives. Thats why I'm asking for clarification. But he certainly hasn't hinted at any possibiity that muslim's good behaviour could be doctrinal - his only argument seems to be the old "muslims good in spite of their religion" cliche. And on that basis, I suggest that its you and the other Islamophobes who are the rational ones, not him.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

not besides his oft-repeated descriptions of Islam as "ridiculous", "silly" and "barbaric" - and probably some other similar adjectives. Thats why I'm asking for clarification. But he certainly hasn't hinted at any possibiity that muslim's good behaviour could be doctrinal - his only argument seems to be the old "muslims good in spite of their religion" cliche. And on that basis, I suggest that its you and the other Islamophobes who are the rational ones, not him.

Your suggestion is irrational, though.

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no?

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. You still have not demonstrated a difference between you and the Islamophobes. You have merely made the accusation.

Back to the OP, I just saw part of an episode of the Bolt Report, obviously a repeat. It went over the semantic contortions ABC TV went through to avoid mentioning Islam when reporting the Kenya attack. It added the interesting point that many Australian journalists have had credible threats made against them by Muslims, and this may have been a motivator.

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no?

No.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

;D ;D ;D

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation. Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters. Your contribution is valued. ;D ;D ;D

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation. Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters. Your contribution is valued. ;D ;D ;D Thank you for your endorsement. Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line.

What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One?

Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Or is your true message one of discord?

One often wonders about your messages.

8-)

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation. Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters. Your contribution is valued. ;D ;D ;D Thank you for your endorsement. Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper. Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line. What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One? Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences? Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed? If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'. Or is your true message one of discord? One often wonders about your messages. 8-)

I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today?   I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII.    ::)

Response to Lionel Edriess


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Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences.


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Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment.
Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended.


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If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists.


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Or is your true message one of discord?

Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills.

Svengali how can you respond in the name of islam, you are not a muslem, you cannot speak for them.

Steampipe wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Svengali how can you respond in the name of islam, you are not a muslem, you cannot speak for them.

You are a total dolt Steampipe. Did I ever claim to be responding in the name of Islam?

Get an education and get a life.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:59pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation. Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters. Your contribution is valued. ;D ;D ;D Thank you for your endorsement. Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper. Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line. What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One? Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences? Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed? If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'. Or is your true message one of discord? One often wonders about your messages. 8-) I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today?   I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII.    ::)

I suppose you could see parallels in what motivated the likes of Ned Kelly (an Irish Australian) and those involved in the 'Broken Hill massacre'. Not too far apart in time.

Catholicism and Islam, both 'discriminated' against.

One results in crime - robbery and murder. One results in massacre.

The Australian Germans and Italians, and almost all those deemed hostile to our interests, faced 'bigotry' during those times, that is true. What is also true is that the vast majority of them were Christian. And there were lots of them.

How many of those abused Christians 'massacred' as a result of that 'bigotry'?

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Response to Lionel Edriess Quote: Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences? No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences. ...

Yet despite all these different influences, Islamic doctrine remains the same - 'Kill, or subjugate, the Unbeliever'. Islam is the uniting influence of all Muslims, it's only their 'internal' interpretations of their own doctrine that provoke their barbaric behaviour towards one another. The only thing uniting all Muslims is their antagonism toward anything non-Islamic.


Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

.... Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment. Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended. ...

Muslims (read Islamists) operate independently of 'family' and social environments.Their 'religion' demands that they further the aims of Islam - everything else is secondary. A Muslim is considered apostate if they don't follow the 'rules'.


Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists. ...

Are you not Australian? What do we not understand?

If you think we are unaware of what is happening elsewhere, you might be surprised by our awareness. Not all of us are deluded by the MSM and the platitudes of the supposedly influential. Australians, generally, have quite a good grasp of reality and learn quickly from experience.


Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills.

I'm smart enough to comprehend that you have yet to offer any form of debate.

All you've offered so far is cant and derogatory commentary.

Experience without failure teaches nothing.

8-)

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21

The Quran also told us to use our brain. I'm fairly sure The Almighty did not have growing a fist sized beard or eating with the right hand in mind when He stated this.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:24am: Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. Incorrect. Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia. The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:36am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:24am: Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. Incorrect. Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia. The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims. So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial. See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

Your demonstration is a lie, though.  I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims.  I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise.

The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 5:12pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:59pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:17pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 3:41pm: Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:00am: Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad,  yes or no? No. Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris? I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations- quran.com/33/21 I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation. Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters. Your contribution is valued. ;D ;D ;D Thank you for your endorsement. Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper. Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line. What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One? Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences? Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed? If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'. Or is your true message one of discord? One often wonders about your messages. 8-) I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today?   I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII.    ::) I suppose you could see parallels in what motivated the likes of Ned Kelly (an Irish Australian) and those involved in the 'Broken Hill massacre'. Not too far apart in time. Catholicism and Islam, both 'discriminated' against. One results in crime - robbery and murder. One results in massacre. The Australian Germans and Italians, and almost all those deemed hostile to our interests, faced 'bigotry' during those times, that is true. What is also true is that the vast majority of them were Christian. And there were lots of them. How many of those abused Christians 'massacred' as a result of that 'bigotry'?

How many Australians were "massacred" at Broken Hill?  I'd hardly call four shot dead and seven wounded a "massacre"!   Typical hyperbole from a noted Islamophobe!

I suppose it's just so much more civilised to lock people up, on the mere suspicion of their supporting their old homelands, despite having come to a completely new one, invariably to escape from their persecution and oppression in their old homelands!   Yes, real smart that.  Typical bigoted thinking though.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Today the internment camps are considered just another blight on our supposed proud history.  No one thinks they were a good idea today!  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 8:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:36am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:24am: Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. Incorrect. Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia. The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims. So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial. See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes. Your demonstration is a lie, though.  I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims.  I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise. The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition, just like you. As you can see, neither your own denials, nor your accusations leveled against them is going to change this, so repeating your denials and accusations means nothing.


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Today the internment camps are considered just another blight on our supposed proud history.  No one thinks they were a good idea today!

The war was a blight, and everything that goes with it, but I don't see many people arguing we should have given German and Japanese immigrants free reign while we were at war with Japan and Germany.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 9:17am: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 8:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:36am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:24am: Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. Incorrect. Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia. The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims. So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial. See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes. Your demonstration is a lie, though.  I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims.  I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise. The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims. You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition ...

Incorrect.

The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 5:20pm: Response to Lionel Edriess Quote: Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences? No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences. ... Yet despite all these different influences, Islamic doctrine remains the same - 'Kill, or subjugate, the Unbeliever'. Islam is the uniting influence of all Muslims, it's only their 'internal' interpretations of their own doctrine that provoke their barbaric behaviour towards one another. The only thing uniting all Muslims is their antagonism toward anything non-Islamic. Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 5:20pm: .... Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment. Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended. ... Muslims (read Islamists) operate independently of 'family' and social environments.Their 'religion' demands that they further the aims of Islam - everything else is secondary. A Muslim is considered apostate if they don't follow the 'rules'. Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 5:20pm: ... Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists. ... Are you not Australian? What do we not understand? If you think we are unaware of what is happening elsewhere, you might be surprised by our awareness. Not all of us are deluded by the MSM and the platitudes of the supposedly influential. Australians, generally, have quite a good grasp of reality and learn quickly from experience. Svengali wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 5:20pm: ... Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills. I'm smart enough to comprehend that you have yet to offer any form of debate. All you've offered so far is cant and derogatory commentary. Experience without failure teaches nothing. 8-)

I am delivering what you seek to sake your ignorance and masochism.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:40pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 9:17am: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 8:28am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:36am: freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 11:24am: Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. Incorrect. Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia. The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims. So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial. See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes. Your demonstration is a lie, though.  I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims.  I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise. The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims. You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition ... Incorrect. The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

FD's presenting to you an unfalsifiable argument - he merely uses your denial as some kind of proof against you.

I actually can't work out what point he's trying to make either.

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they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.

No he doesn't - you just say he does and somehow think his denial only proves it.

I hope you don't mind being called an Islamophobe FD - since we can use the exact same logic to "prove" you are one also.

In fact I'm an Islamophobe too - no point me denying it - they deny it too. There, proof.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

No he doesn't - you just say he does and somehow think his denial only proves it.

He is denying it. I can quote him.

I can only assume this passes for FD humour. Cause it most definitely doesn't pass for a coherent argument.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

No point denying it. They deny it too.

That's where you're wrong.

They don't deny it at all - they openly admit that they fear and hate all Muslims.

I believe this is the FD rebuttle:


freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.

you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense?  :P

What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags.

Oh that's right they don't represent real Muslims.... ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 12:40pm: You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition ... Incorrect. The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

"I don't hate or fear [moslems] - I just think their religion is silly."


greggery,

There are many, many moslems, living here in Australia, who are determined to create the 'circumstance' [here in Australia], where it would be very 'irrational' to openly express such an opinion [i.e. YOUR opinion, above].

You are clearly a very irrational person, imo.

How can you so carelessly, utter such remarks [here in Australia!!], while not knowing which moslems would, feel obligated to seize you, and to cut your head off ???               :P



greggery,

Don't you know, that you should show much, much more respect for what moslems believe!!!!!      [.......just ask  cods]                 :D


p.s.
greggery, you are clearly NOT an ISLAMOPHOBE.
......just a very, very irrational and disrespectful person.        :)




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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"
Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags.

The Muslims who do that? - there's absolutely nothing to like.

Most of them don't do that, though.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

I believe this is the FD rebuttle: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 6:38pm: Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too. you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense?  :P

As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:11pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 10:41am: What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags. The Muslims who do that? - there's absolutely nothing to like. Most of them don't do that, though.

With all the conflict over seas i'm begining to wonder! Especially all the muslim V muslim violence.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 9:59am: I believe this is the FD rebuttle: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 6:38pm: Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too. you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense?  :P As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others...

No.

They actually admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

It has nothing to do with me.

I'm just stating the facts.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes

He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. He argues he is different because he doesn't fear or hate muslims. I believe he's only mentioned this about 5 times already. Thats a clear "difference" wouldn't you say? If you wanted to refute this claim it would seem like common sense to actually address this claim of his and come up with some logic for why you think he is wrong - yet instead, bizarrely, you simply ignore everything he says and just repeat the same accusation.

Its so illogical - I honestly thought you were trying to be funny. Yet apparently you are not  :-/

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. /

there's must be a whole smacking stack of islamophobic muslims in the ME/Africa at the moment....

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 2:49pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. / there's must be a whole smacking stack of islamophobic muslims in the ME/Africa at the moment....

Has Freediver and his ilk emigrated?

Svengali wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 2:58pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 2:49pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. / there's must be a whole smacking stack of islamophobic muslims in the ME/Africa at the moment.... Has Freediver and his ilk emigrated?

It will be better for everyone when you realise you are not very funny.

;)

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 3:08pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 2:58pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 2:49pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. / there's must be a whole smacking stack of islamophobic muslims in the ME/Africa at the moment.... Has Freediver and his ilk emigrated? It will be better for everyone when you realise you are not very funny. ;)

A thousand apologies Haji FriYay. I did not want to threaten your domain.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 9:59am: I believe this is the FD rebuttle: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 6:38pm: Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too. you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense?  :P As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others... No. They actually admit to hating and fearing all Muslims. It has nothing to do with me. I'm just stating the facts.

Ah. Another accusation. I suppose that settles it. They are Islamophobes too, just like you.


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Thats a clear "difference" wouldn't you say?

An Islamophobe arguing they are not an Islamophobe? That is a clear same.


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yet instead, bizarrely, you simply ignore everything he says and just repeat the same accusation.

Are you saying I am an Islamophobe like Greg?

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Are you saying I am an Islamophobe like Greg?

Sure why not. The same logic applies.

I'm an Islamophobe using your logic - because I deny it just like all the other Islamophobes

right?

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 1:04pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 9:59am: I believe this is the FD rebuttle: freediver wrote on Apr 13th, 2015 at 6:38pm: Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too. you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense?  :P As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others... No. They actually admit to hating and fearing all Muslims. It has nothing to do with me. I'm just stating the facts. Ah. Another accusation.

No.  Just stating the facts: they openly admit to their hatred and fear of all Muslims.


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I suppose that settles it. They are Islamophobes.

That's correct. They admit to their hatred and fear of all Muslims. 

Phobias are irrational, fears are not.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

Phobias are irrational, fears are not.

Which is why they're called Islamophobes.

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I'm an Islamophobe using your logic - because I deny it just like all the other Islamophobes

You are an Islamophobe because you go to extraordinary lengths to reinterpret Islam. You are so afraid of Islam that you have become what Muslims fear and hate the most - a hypocrite. Good for you.


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No.  Just stating the facts: they openly admit to their hatred and fear of all Muslims.

Ah, now I see the difference. When other people do it, they are making accusations. You are stating facts. OK, let me try. It is a fact that you openly admit that you fear and hate all Muslims. Now I hope this is settled.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Ah, now I see the difference. When other people do it, they are making accusations. You are stating facts.

Correct.  The Islamophobes on here openly admit that they fear and hate all Muslims.



freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

OK, let me try. It is a fact that you openly admit that you fear and hate all Muslims.

No.  I've never said anything like that, as I don't fear and hate all Muslims.



freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

Now I hope this is settled.

For me it is.  You're still very confused though.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

You are an Islamophobe because you go to extraordinary lengths to reinterpret Islam. You are so afraid of Islam that you have become what Muslims fear and hate the most - a hypocrite. Good for you.

Lets stick with the logic you've been using shall we? Logic that for some reason remains a heavilly guarded FD secret. But it needs to be extracted from you one way or another - since as we both know Greg will happilly go round and round in circles till Kingdom come.

Lets go back to...


freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes.

From what little you have cryptically revealed of your reasoning - all it really is is simply that you think Greg is making a meaningless and/or flawed accusation against the "Islamophobes". That may be a fair point - but from that we get a) greg is doing it to distract from his own Islamophobia b) he has only succeeded in demonstrating that he is no different to the Islamophobes. This makes no sense - and especially so since you don't even attempt to provide any reasoning for coming to these conclusions. Greg may well be engaging in flawed logic, but it reveals nothing about his own Islamophobia or otherwise - of if it does, you need to explain how.

So, back to my original point - since your only "argument" seems to be that Greg demonstrates his Islamophobia by mere virtue of the fact that he accuses others of Islamophobia - there's no reason why you can't draw the same conclusions about me - or anyone else who accuses others of Islamophobia. Your logic leaves no other alternatives - accusing others of Islamophobia is in and of itself a demonstration of the accusers Islamophobia.

Perhaps we should have a default position of Islamaphobia until Islamites prove themselves worthy of better.....

"Now then, Mach-Mood - what do you bring to the table better than Ach-Med over there?"

"Two heads are better than one!"

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since as we both know Greg will happilly go round and round in circles till Kingdom come.

This is, after all, an Islamophobia debate.


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all it really is is simply that you think Greg is making a meaningless and/or flawed accusation against the "Islamophobes"

As I said, what matters is that he makes the accusations. Nothing else matters. Hence the repeated accusations.


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That may be a fair point - but from that we get a) greg is doing it to distract from his own Islamophobia b) he has only succeeded in demonstrating that he is no different to the Islamophobes.

Exactly.


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So, back to my original point - since your only "argument" seems to be that Greg demonstrates his Islamophobia by mere virtue of the fact that he accuses others of Islamophobia

No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia. You have to accuse Greg for him to be an Islamophobe. Try it. You will feel better. You may have to repeat it a few times for it to sink in. This is one of these things that makes more sense if you go through the motions. You are overthinking it at the moment.


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there's no reason why you can't draw the same conclusions about me

As I explained, I have other reasons for that.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia.

No.

The others demonstrate their Islamophobia by openly declaring their fear and hatred of all Muslims.

It has absolutely nothing to do with me.  If I wasn't here, they would still declare their fear and hatred of all Muslims.

Take me out of the equation, and nothing changes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 8:04am: Phobias are irrational, fears are not. Which is why they're called Islamophobes.

How do you know their fears are irrational?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 9:02am: issuevoter wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 8:04am: Phobias are irrational, fears are not. Which is why they're called Islamophobes. How do you know their fears are irrational?

Hitherto, nobody has demonstrated (by way of credible, reliable evidence) any rationality behind the fears.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia. You have to accuse Greg for him to be an Islamophobe. [blah blah blah]

False. According to your own "logic", accusing others of Islamophobia is in and of itself a demonstration of the accuser's Islamophobia:


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Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 1:16pm: No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia. No. The others demonstrate their Islamophobia by openly declaring their fear and hatred of all Muslims.

No Greg. They are not demonstrating anything. You are doing all the demonstrating (and accusing/fact stating) here. That is why I am having this conversation with you and not them.


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Take me out of the equation, and nothing changes.

Who would be accusing them if you weren't here Greg? How would we know about these things they supposedly openly admit all the time? Thanks to you, we know they are Islamophobic, just like you.


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Hitherto, nobody has demonstrated (by way of credible, reliable evidence) any rationality behind the fears.

Guilty as charged. Just like you.


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False. According to your own "logic", accusing others of Islamophobia is in and of itself a demonstration of the accuser's Islamophobia:

You have not been paying attention Gandalf. That quote is not me explaining that he is an Islamophobe. That is me explaining how he is just like all the other Islamophobes. Except you of course. You are special.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 1:50pm: freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2015 at 1:16pm: No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia. No. The others demonstrate their Islamophobia by openly declaring their fear and hatred of all Muslims. No Greg. They are not demonstrating anything.

Incorrect.

On a daily basis (almost), they freely admit to their fear and hatred of all Muslims.

Self-confessed Islamophobes.

Nothing whatsoever to do with me.