http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/australia-unable-to-protect-its-domain-in-the-southern-ocean/6250702

Australia is currently unable to protect its sovereignty in Antarctic waters, an ocean security research fellow says

maybe if he concentrated less on stopping people fleeing for their lives and concentrated on stopping illegal attacks on our sovereignty, this wouldn't be such an issue.

Here, catch John . . .it's a lifejacket . . .before you go under.

Anyone else read these puerile posts and get any more out of them other than...


Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp.....derp.

Derp..............

::)derp ::)

"Tony fails to stop the boats"

That's correct.

They've admitted to at least 15 boats.

Tony fails at every turn.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Here, catch John . . .it's a lifejacket . . .before you go under.

you seem to be mistaking me for you hero, Mr ABBOTT ....

only one of the two of us is going down, and it's not me ;D ;D ;D

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Anyone else read these puerile posts and get any more out of them other than... Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp.....derp. Derp.............. ::)derp ::)

derp derp derp is all you ever read unless it's written by Bolt or Pickering ...

you don't care that we don't have the capacity to stop illegal activities in our waters?

John Smith wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Anyone else read these puerile posts and get any more out of them other than... Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp.....derp. Derp.............. ::)derp ::) derp derp derp is all you ever read unless it's written by Bolt or Pickering ... you don't care that we don't have the capacity to stop illegal activities in our waters?

Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp......

China and Russia will be fishing all over our seas soon. They are already challenging our claims to Antarctica.Australia's selfishness may be its undoing.

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Anyone else read these puerile posts and get any more out of them other than... Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp.....derp. Derp.............. ::)derp ::) derp derp derp is all you ever read unless it's written by Bolt or Pickering ... you don't care that we don't have the capacity to stop illegal activities in our waters? Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp......

thanks for proving my point :D

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:47pm: HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:43pm: Anyone else read these puerile posts and get any more out of them other than... Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp.....derp. Derp.............. ::)derp ::) derp derp derp is all you ever read unless it's written by Bolt or Pickering ... you don't care that we don't have the capacity to stop illegal activities in our waters? Derp derp derp, de derp de derp de derp derp derp......

Get it on the biscuit, FriYay.

Delish.

As long as these boats don't have asylum seekers on them we don't care.

John Smith wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/australia-unable-to-protect-its-domain-in-the-southern-ocean/6250702 Australia is currently unable to protect its sovereignty in Antarctic waters, an ocean security research fellow says maybe if he concentrated less on stopping people fleeing for their lives and concentrated on stopping illegal attacks on our sovereignty, this wouldn't be such an issue.

Sounds like a job for "progressive" real estate workers.

Poor leftist idiots, they miss all those fake refugees that have come here to retire on centrelink.

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

Poor leftist idiots, they miss all those fake refugees that have come here to retire on centrelink.

... on board aircraft and with visas and identifying documents issued by their countries that are happy to see the end of some of them.

There - all fixed for you.

There is no such thing as under-writing as long as it has substance and is not just matter.....

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:37pm: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/australia-unable-to-protect-its-domain-in-the-southern-ocean/6250702 Australia is currently unable to protect its sovereignty in Antarctic waters, an ocean security research fellow says maybe if he concentrated less on stopping people fleeing for their lives and concentrated on stopping illegal attacks on our sovereignty, this wouldn't be such an issue. Sounds like a job for "progressive" real estate workers.

There go the real estate values in Antarctica - an international territory... valuable real estate up for grabs down there....

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

"Tony fails to stop the boats" That's correct. They've admitted to at least 15 boats. Tony fails at every turn.

How many made it here? One. The only failure here is yours, and it's epic!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:44pm: "Tony fails to stop the boats" That's correct. They've admitted to at least 15 boats. Tony fails at every turn. How many made it here? One. The only failure here is yours, and it's epic!  ;D ;D ;D

You can't change the slogan now.

He said he'd 'stop the boats'.

He failed.

They admit to 15, but we have no idea what the real number is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 7:19am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2015 at 2:44pm: "Tony fails to stop the boats" That's correct. They've admitted to at least 15 boats. Tony fails at every turn. How many made it here? One. The only failure here is yours, and it's epic!  ;D ;D ;D You can't change the slogan now. He said he'd 'stop the boats'. He failed. They admit to 15, but we have no idea what the real number is.

He has. Know how many people came in the 12 months prior to Abbott becoming PM? More than 20,500! Since then, only one boat has arrived with well under 100 people on it. From more than 20,500 to less than 100 people in the space of 12 months - that's a success in any language by any measure. Suck it up!!!  ;D ;D ;D

By the way, the correct term IS "illegal immigrant". The ABC's Fact Check unit determined that the term was valid when referring to an arrival's entry status. In addition, the United Nations Protocol against the Smuggling of Migrants by Land, Sea and Air, to which Australia is a signatory, defines "illegal entry" as "crossing borders without complying with the necessary requirements for legal entry into the receiving State". Suck it up!!!  ;D ;D ;D

This topic didn't age well...


n his interviews for my book, The Twilight of Exceptionalism – the Liberal and Conservative Era 2013-2022, Mr Abbott said the first task facing his government was stopping asylum-seeker boats, but some senior officials were “completely defeatist” and alarmed that Australia would risk conflict with Indonesia.

Mr Abbott said: “At numerous stages, Operation Sovereign Borders could have floundered. The message was, you know, this risks conflict with Indonesia. And I said: ‘Well, so what? That is just the risk we have to run.’ But if that’s your concern, avoiding conflict, you can’t do anything.

“I mean, this is the problem, you know. Most government policy fails because there are red lines that different people put around it that means it cannot succeed. The red line the officials put around this operation – around this whole desire to stop the boats – meant that you couldn’t actually do it.”

Mr Abbott didn’t want war with Indonesia but he wanted the official mindset to shift in order to commit to his radical military-orientated policy, devised by Scott Morrison as shadow minister. Mr Abbott’s national security adviser, Andrew Shearer, said: “I think there was widespread scepticism whether the policy would work. In parts of the bureaucracy there was a more active level of resistance particularly among some of the government lawyers. For Abbott, this was an existential policy problem, nationally and politically.”

Mr Abbott said: “I thought to myself, what would Indonesia do if the boats were coming from Australia to Indonesia illegally? They would just sink them. We just turned them around. But, by hook or by crook, we were going to stop this damn thing. If you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country.”

As PM, Mr Abbott saw OSB as a test of his government’s viability. He wanted all organs of government – civilian, military and intelligence – active participants to achieve the goal. This is what Mr Morrison delivered as minister for immigration and border protection. It was an unorthodox policy with a military commander in charge – Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell – reporting direct to Mr Morrison with strict operational secrecy about events on the water and the boat turnarounds.

Mr Morrison said: “Operation Sovereign Borders was arguably the most compelling aspect of the change of government in 2013.”

In Mr Abbott’s view, he was faced with varying advice from senior officials. The chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, later governor-general, felt obliged to tell Mr Abbott the operation must be consistent with international law, provide for safety at sea and ensure that asylum-seeker boats could be safely turned on the water, as well as warning about ties with Indonesia.

“PM, we can do this, but it is not cost-free,” Mr Hurley said. “I cannot guarantee this can be done in a risk-free way.” That was responsible and prudent advice but frustrating for a PM determined to reverse the existing order. But the official who made the greatest positive impact on Mr Abbott was then Customs and Border Protection Force head Mike Pezzullo, who told Mr Abbott the policy could work, saying “sometimes you’ve got to be a bit Mossad”.


Mr Abbott said: “At one stage we were advised by some sections of the bureaucracy that something we were doing was illegal. I just said to (attorney-general) Brandis, ‘Well, go and get better advice, simple as that’.”

Recalling his visit to Indonesia and meeting with president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Mr Abbott said: “I said to him ‘you know, we are going to turn boats around’, and he didn’t respond one way or the other. He just gave me a benign look, as if to say ‘Well, you do what you must’.” Obviously, Indonesia’s president did not give Australia the green light.

Referring to the boat turnbacks, Mr Morrison said: “Angus Campbell’s advice had been, ‘Once you start this, you can’t stop and you need to get it right; if the first test doesn’t work, it’s over.”

Insiders told the author the covert operations by the Australian Secret Intelligence Service, headed by Nick Warner, involving the disruption of the people-smugglers in Indonesia were as effective as the boat turnarounds in halting the trade. In June 2013, before the change of government, Mr Abbott met Mr Warner and raised the issue of what he called “the black arts” – with Mr Warner explaining ASIS did not do assassinations since such activity was outside its defined scope. ASIS was not Mossad. As PM, Mr Abbott raised with officials the capability for final resort action to “take out” the people-smugglers if policy on the water had failed and this was the only means left. Such discussion became academic once the boats were stopped, but Mr Abbott had been interested in a power that ASIS did not possess.

Our intelligence agencies monitored the Indonesian military closely. An official said: “We watched the Indonesian military. At no stage did Indonesia take any military action to counter what we were doing. They never came near the drop-offs for boat turnbacks.” By February 2014 the asylum-seeker boat trade had ended.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/sometimes-youve-got-to-be-a-bit-mossad-tony-abbotts-bureaucracy-battle-over-borders-mh17-and-barack-obama/news-story/d1c9d609f451b23024dffcdc7e841218

John Smith wrote on Feb 24^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/australia-unable-to-protect-its-domain-in-the-southern-ocean/6250702 Australia is currently unable to protect its sovereignty in Antarctic waters, an ocean security research fellow says maybe if he concentrated less on stopping people fleeing for their lives and concentrated on stopping illegal attacks on our sovereignty, this wouldn't be such an issue.

Which countries even recognise our "soveriegnty" over antarctic waters? Under the UN antarctic treaty, we are not allowed to enforce our claims on antarctica.