My question is did the board lefties here send a representative?

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

My question is did the board lefties here send a representative?

Ozpolitic sent Yadda and Gizmo.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:49am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:47am: My question is did the board lefties here send a representative? Ozpolitic sent Yadda and Gizmo.

Were you busy?

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:50am:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:49am: innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:47am: My question is did the board lefties here send a representative? Ozpolitic sent Yadda and Gizmo. Were you busy?

No. Yadda and Gizmo are professional mourners. They get paid for it.

500 mourners attend Dane terrorists funeral




Watch this YOUTUBE and be shocked.   -------->




A TV interviewer asks local moslems for their views about what happened, at the site where an armed Danish moslem was shot dead by Danish police.     -------->


Quote:

"You are supporting him [the moslem attacker, against free speech, in Denmark, 2015] ?" "Here in Denmark moslems stick together. This man has a HEART of GOLD. This man, as a moslem, WE SUPPORT. The real terrorists here are those who offended the moslems. Its the Danish cartoonists who are responsible for initiating terrorism in Denmark. They are the terrorists. This guy [the moslem attacker, against free speech, in Denmark] - he wasn't a terrorist. He's a hero."

those words, transcribed from this YT -------->




Danish Muslims celebrate the killer as _Hero with heart of gold_         goto 1m 22s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBBNQPPoXU


the YT link was posted by Lionel Edriess on OzPol -------->

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424143997/11#11

This is almost like an election advert for the Geert Wilders party  ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:56am:

This is almost like an election advert for the Geert Wilders party  ;D

Will the 911 dancing Israelis be attending the party? Maybe a collection could be taken to finance Yadda and Gizmo getting their tear ducts super-sized.

Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:54am:

500 mourners attend Dane terrorists funeral Watch this YOUTUBE and be shocked.   --------> A TV interviewer asks local moslems for their views about what happened, at the site where an armed Danish moslem was shot dead by Danish police.     --------> Quote: "You are supporting him [the moslem attacker, against free speech, in Denmark, 2015] ?" "Here in Denmark moslems stick together. This man has a HEART of GOLD. This man, as a moslem, WE SUPPORT. The real terrorists here are those who offended the moslems. Its the Danish cartoonists who are responsible for initiating terrorism in Denmark. They are the terrorists. This guy [the moslem attacker, against free speech, in Denmark] - he wasn't a terrorist. He's a hero." those words, transcribed from this YT --------> Danish Muslims celebrate the killer as _Hero with heart of gold_         goto 1m 22s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBBNQPPoXU the YT link was posted by Lionel Edriess on OzPol --------> http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424143997/11#11

I think that says it all - it's called stupidity.

If you post a cartoon you are a terrorist - if you shoot people you aren't.

I think these Muslim women have been kept under wraps for too long and have had the brains beaten out of them too many times....

Launches a heroic attack.....

https://creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/b5a1a8fiuaes1bb.jpg

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake!

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake!

No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament.

You are putting the cart before the horse.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

I think thats wrong... pouring oil on troubled waters means soothing things down....

and its not mocking muslims that ruffles the feathers..

its mocking Muhammad..leave him out of it.. and see what happens..

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake!

neither do the majority of Muslims.. just the extreme fanatics.....and they do not have a monopoly on extremism..

just because no there group KILLS....doesnt mean they like it..

check with Pope Francis.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

i'd agree with that if hollywood would ban "the life of brian" and the art gallery refused to display "piss christ"
until such times those it is the height of hyporcisy to say just one group cannot be offended.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament.

I'd disagree with that svengali.
i think our communities and leaders have bent over backwards.
even look at the
# i'll ride with you campaign.
its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way.
they are going to have to "root out all the bad eggs in their faith tradition" in the same way we expect the pope to root out pedophile priests.

no one would seriously say that the priests are not a problem of the catholic hierachy and no one should say that ISIS terrorists are not a problem of the muslim hierachy.

they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them

(though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe)

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

By even using their chosen words to describe how they are 'victims' first and foremost - 'mocking Muslims' - you are offering credibility to their claim to victim status - and thus their claim to be 'entitled' to do something about it even when that 'something' is extreme and violent when mocking is nothing of the kind.

Nobody else gets that justification under law.....

Maybe it's just a lot easier to send them back where they all came from.


'bombs and guns may break Islums..... but names can never hurt a true god'....

These people are children and then wonder why they are subject to scorn and derision..  they don't help their own cause by behaving like children.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 4:14pm:

its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way. they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them (though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe)

Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue

http://www.smh.com.au/world/norways-muslims-form-protective-human-ring-around-synagogue-20150222-13lclo.html

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament.

Which countries are you talking about, can you post a link to this.

I know you cant answer these questions but I felt it was prudent to at least ask.

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake!

I agree with your last sentence, i am totally against further Islamic immigration. Let me ask a question though, what in your opinion is the best method of dealing with mentally disturbed people? Violent confrontation and escalation or understanding and counselling?

islam has repeatedly displayed it is incompatible with a free society.

muslims should leave any democracy

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 5:51pm:

islam has repeatedly displayed it is incompatible with a free society. muslims should leave any democracy

Not going to happen though is it? Whats your preffered method for dealing with the ones already here? Kristalnicht?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 5:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:14pm: its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way. they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them (though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe) Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue http://www.smh.com.au/world/norways-muslims-form-protective-human-ring-around-synagogue-20150222-13lclo.html

excellent , something we can build on,
reward and nurture good behaviour.
attack and destroy bad behaviour.

this is not rocket science.
i nurture good native grasses on my farm and i attack with great vigour any pest species.

so with people, the plan of attack must be to protect and nurture those who are the good seeds and to destroy and weed out the "problem" species.

we have a saying in farming
"one years weed, seven years seed"

with the bad muslims being the "weeds"  the best plan of attack is to attack with great vigour and purpose and in so doing prevent their spread.
if you let them seed, you have years of hard work ahead of you.

the smart farmer (or government) keeps the weeds out. he checks for weeds all the time and he never lets them take hold.

by doing so, he can relax and watch the grass grow with great peace and happiness.

the less vigilant farmer who is slow to deal with the "enemy within" has no such peace and contentment. everywhere he goes , he sees the fruits of his inaction and he despairs.

there is no grey, you are a good grass or you are a weed.
if you want to be a weed, you should be dealt with as soon as possible.
only in such ways can the good grass not be smothered  ;)

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 2:40pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament.

You've got it exactly backward.

They are mocked and derided because they act like idiots, they kill, they can't control themselves, they generally have a hugely inflated sense of themselves - the illiterate, horny warlord is the final prophet of God, you are a muslim or you are dhimmi, no peace on earth until Islam rules, all that shite - that's why they are mocked.

The Buddhists, say, are not mocked and they don't carry on about alienation after they VOLUNTARILY migrate to Western countries. Muslims  should pack up and go back to their 'Muslim lands' if they don't feel like they can fit in here.

Soren wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 2:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament. You've got it exactly backward. They are mocked and derided because they act like idiots, they kill, they can't control themselves, they generally have a hugely inflated sense of themselves - the illiterate, horny warlord is the final prophet of God, you are a muslim or you are dhimmi, no peace on earth until Islam rules, all that shite - that's why they are mocked. The Buddhists, say, are not mocked and they don't carry on about alienation after they VOLUNTARILY migrate to Western countries. Muslims  should pack up and go back to their 'Muslim lands' if they don't feel like they can fit in here.

Perhaps they should, Soren but is that ALL Muslims?   ::)

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:49am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:47am: My question is did the board lefties here send a representative? Ozpolitic sent Yadda and Gizmo.

I would have gone, if they'd held the burial at a piggery.

From that article:

Chanting "No to anti-semitism, no to Islamophobia", a group of Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace on Saturday

In other words, Muslims trying to hitch their cause to the anti-semitism bandwagon.

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

From that article: Chanting "No to anti-semitism, no to Islamophobia", a group of Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace on Saturday In other words, Muslims trying to hitch their cause to the anti-semitism bandwagon.

For dumbed down marine life marauders, semites also includes Arabs. See dictionary extract below.

Sem·ite
(sĕm′īt′)
n.
1. A member of any of the peoples speaking a Semitic language, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Hebrews, Phoenicians, and many of the peoples of Ethiopia.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible A descendant of Shem.

Freediver should try rationality instead of racial and Islamophobic incitement.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. By even using their chosen words to describe how they are 'victims' first and foremost - 'mocking Muslims' - you are offering credibility to their claim to victim status - and thus their claim to be 'entitled' to do something about it even when that 'something' is extreme and violent when mocking is nothing of the kind. Nobody else gets that justification under law..... Maybe it's just a lot easier to send them back where they all came from. 'bombs and guns may break Islums..... but names can never hurt a true god'.... These people are children and then wonder why they are subject to scorn and derision..  they don't help their own cause by behaving like children.

your not doing a bad job yourself..

you forget to mention they are more than happy to KILL.... that is the WHOLE POINT>..got not a thing to do name calling or sending them back.. wherever that is..... ::)

there is a very small group who infiltrate anywhere and everywhere....yes they do have guns and bombs and hate in their hearts...

and mocking them makes them HATE even more...

but we very bright people think its our right to mock others and they just need to suck it up ::) ::) ::)..

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:14pm: its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way. they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them (though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe) Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue http://www.smh.com.au/world/norways-muslims-form-protective-human-ring-around-synagogue-20150222-13lclo.html excellent , something we can build on, reward and nurture good behaviour. attack and destroy bad behaviour. this is not rocket science. i nurture good native grasses on my farm and i attack with great vigour any pest species. so with people, the plan of attack must be to protect and nurture those who are the good seeds and to destroy and weed out the "problem" species. we have a saying in farming "one years weed, seven years seed" with the bad muslims being the "weeds"  the best plan of attack is to attack with great vigour and purpose and in so doing prevent their spread. if you let them seed, you have years of hard work ahead of you. the smart farmer (or government) keeps the weeds out. he checks for weeds all the time and he never lets them take hold. by doing so, he can relax and watch the grass grow with great peace and happiness. the less vigilant farmer who is slow to deal with the "enemy within" has no such peace and contentment. everywhere he goes , he sees the fruits of his inaction and he despairs. there is no grey, you are a good grass or you are a weed. if you want to be a weed, you should be dealt with as soon as possible. only in such ways can the good grass not be smothered  ;)

We beat down fireweed - terrible thing - by literally pulling it out of the ground and then burning it...

Lovegrass is kept under control by keeping it short - after a few years it runs out of seed and gives up...

You just have to keep at it.

The only answer to Islamic violence and insecurity and inferiority complex may will be to export the lot.  I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper.

On the subject of Muslims suffering a high rate of unemployment - is that because we Aussies keep them down - or because they keep themselves down?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:20pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:10pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:14pm: its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way. they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them (though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe) Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue http://www.smh.com.au/world/norways-muslims-form-protective-human-ring-around-synagogue-20150222-13lclo.html excellent , something we can build on, reward and nurture good behaviour. attack and destroy bad behaviour. this is not rocket science. i nurture good native grasses on my farm and i attack with great vigour any pest species. so with people, the plan of attack must be to protect and nurture those who are the good seeds and to destroy and weed out the "problem" species. we have a saying in farming "one years weed, seven years seed" with the bad muslims being the "weeds"  the best plan of attack is to attack with great vigour and purpose and in so doing prevent their spread. if you let them seed, you have years of hard work ahead of you. the smart farmer (or government) keeps the weeds out. he checks for weeds all the time and he never lets them take hold. by doing so, he can relax and watch the grass grow with great peace and happiness. the less vigilant farmer who is slow to deal with the "enemy within" has no such peace and contentment. everywhere he goes , he sees the fruits of his inaction and he despairs. there is no grey, you are a good grass or you are a weed. if you want to be a weed, you should be dealt with as soon as possible. only in such ways can the good grass not be smothered  ;) We beat down fireweed - terrible thing - by literally pulling it out of the ground and then burning it... Lovegrass is kept under control by keeping it short - after a few years it runs out of seed and gives up... You just have to keep at it. The only answer to Islamic violence and insecurity and inferiority complex may will be to export the lot.  I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper. On the subject of Muslims suffering a high rate of unemployment - is that because we Aussies keep them down - or because they keep themselves down?

You are obviously an avid reader of Mein Kampf.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

we have a saying in farming "one years weed, seven years seed" with the bad muslims being the "weeds"  the best plan of attack is to attack with great vigour and purpose and in so doing prevent their spread. if you let them seed, you have years of hard work ahead of you. the smart farmer (or government) keeps the weeds out. he checks for weeds all the time and he never lets them take hold. by doing so, he can relax and watch the grass grow with great peace and happiness. the less vigilant farmer who is slow to deal with the "enemy within" has no such peace and contentment. everywhere he goes , he sees the fruits of his inaction and he despairs. there is no grey, you are a good grass or you are a weed. if you want to be a weed, you should be dealt with as soon as possible. only in such ways can the good grass not be smothered  ;)

A latter-day parable!

You're starting to sound like Chauncey Gardner!

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

From that article: Chanting "No to anti-semitism, no to Islamophobia", a group of Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace on Saturday In other words, Muslims trying to hitch their cause to the anti-semitism bandwagon.

And if tomorrow's headline read 'Muslims walk On Water', your response would be "Bloody Muslims can't swim"?

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

You are obviously an avid reader of Mein Kampf.

You obviously know what that means from personal experience - unfortunately I do not.  I am however, a great fan of The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich - a book that will show you many, many parallels with modern society and government.

So - from your readings of Mein Kampf - what is your issue with my comments?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm: You are obviously an avid reader of Mein Kampf. You obviously know what that means from personal experience - unfortunately I do not.  I am however, a great fan of The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich - a book that will show you many, many parallels with modern society and government. So - from your readings of Mein Kampf - what is your issue with my comments?

The Grappler's final solution for Muslims is the same as Hitler's was for Jews.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:43pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 7:41pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 7:22pm: You are obviously an avid reader of Mein Kampf. You obviously know what that means from personal experience - unfortunately I do not.  I am however, a great fan of The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich - a book that will show you many, many parallels with modern society and government. So - from your readings of Mein Kampf - what is your issue with my comments? The Grappler's final solution for Muslims is the same as Hitler's was for Jews.

Thank you for falling into the trap of your own making.... (wait for it - it's in English)...

"may well be to export the lot. I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper."

What part of 'may' and what part of 'I hesitate' do you find difficult to follow?

My solution for bad imported Muslims is deportation to the land of their heart's desire... the rest ve vill seek to assimilate in der Ostland mit re-settlement...

Steampipe wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 2:40pm: No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament. Which countries are you talking about, can you post a link to this. I know you cant answer these questions but I felt it was prudent to at least ask.

As I thought Svengali no substance to your claims.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 2:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament. You've got it exactly backward. They are mocked and derided because they act like idiots, they kill, they can't control themselves, they generally have a hugely inflated sense of themselves - the illiterate, horny warlord is the final prophet of God, you are a muslim or you are dhimmi, no peace on earth until Islam rules, all that shite - that's why they are mocked. The Buddhists, say, are not mocked and they don't carry on about alienation after they VOLUNTARILY migrate to Western countries. Muslims  should pack up and go back to their 'Muslim lands' if they don't feel like they can fit in here. Perhaps they should, Soren but is that ALL Muslims?   ::)

YES

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:20pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:10pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:08pm: aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:14pm: its time for moderate muslims to seize the agenda and show us a better way. they need to be at the forefront and be proactive, but i have seen very little from them (though good on the muslim women who went and laid wreaths at the lindt cafe) Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue http://www.smh.com.au/world/norways-muslims-form-protective-human-ring-around-synagogue-20150222-13lclo.html excellent , something we can build on, reward and nurture good behaviour. attack and destroy bad behaviour. this is not rocket science. i nurture good native grasses on my farm and i attack with great vigour any pest species. so with people, the plan of attack must be to protect and nurture those who are the good seeds and to destroy and weed out the "problem" species. we have a saying in farming "one years weed, seven years seed" with the bad muslims being the "weeds"  the best plan of attack is to attack with great vigour and purpose and in so doing prevent their spread. if you let them seed, you have years of hard work ahead of you. the smart farmer (or government) keeps the weeds out. he checks for weeds all the time and he never lets them take hold. by doing so, he can relax and watch the grass grow with great peace and happiness. the less vigilant farmer who is slow to deal with the "enemy within" has no such peace and contentment. everywhere he goes , he sees the fruits of his inaction and he despairs. there is no grey, you are a good grass or you are a weed. if you want to be a weed, you should be dealt with as soon as possible. only in such ways can the good grass not be smothered  ;) We beat down fireweed - terrible thing - by literally pulling it out of the ground and then burning it... Lovegrass is kept under control by keeping it short - after a few years it runs out of seed and gives up... You just have to keep at it. The only answer to Islamic violence and insecurity and inferiority complex may will be to export the lot.  I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper. On the subject of Muslims suffering a high rate of unemployment - is that because we Aussies keep them down - or because they keep themselves down?

i'm very impressed someone knows what fireweed is. ;) ;)

and yes, it is toxic , imported from overseas (south africa) and breeds like the clappers (16,000 seeds per plant).

no all muslims do not need to go. all are not toxic. imported rhodes grass is very sweet .

but the toxic muslims cant be allowed to take root and you cant ignore the problem.  every days delay makes the job that much harder.  the people who win the battle with fireweed have steely resolve and zero tolerance for it. its taken me 4 years and i finally have it whipped. each successive year gets easier .
but give it one inch, turn your back for 1 month and its right back at you.

its an exercise in buddhist mindfulness and persistence but to get rid of a "toxin"  you simply cant ever turn down the heat.
;) ;) ;)

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[ Thank you for falling into the trap of your own making.... (wait for it - it's in English)... "may well be to export the lot. I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper." What part of 'may' and what part of 'I hesitate' do you find difficult to follow?

You suggested it grappler as a possible solution, own your comments.

rhino wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 7:54pm: [ Thank you for falling into the trap of your own making.... (wait for it - it's in English)... "may well be to export the lot. I hesitate to do that since many are not that bad, and once given a chance to see outside the constraints of rigid Koranism, they may well prosper." What part of 'may' and what part of 'I hesitate' do you find difficult to follow? You suggested it grappler as a possible solution, own your comments.

.. and you in turn find it difficult to grapple with your own word 'possible'?  Is there a problem with English tonight?

You may discuss the issue at leisure....

So, is it a "possible "solution or not Grappler? And if you think it is a possible solution, why do you think so? care to elaborate/? Or  maybe just run away. All these people claiming military experience seem to be very good at running away from my questions here. That must be part of the training.

rhino wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 9:43pm:

So, is it a "possible "solution or not Grappler? And if you think it is a possible solution, why do you think so? care to elaborate/? Or  maybe just run away. All these people claiming military experience seem to be very good at running away from my questions here. That must be part of the training.

My statement says it all - read it.  I said the solution may well be that one day they will all be shipped off.   I added that I hesitate to support such a view.. what is your argument?  Are you suggesting that discussing a possible scenario somehow means total adherence to that scenario?

Are you another one of those semi-autistic kids who get online and try to argue?

You are just sniping over nothing.. add something to the discussion.  I have yet to see anything of yours worth more than a cursory put-down on fact - this is a clear case in point.

You've been put down.... accept  it and move on.

why hesitate to support the view? Either you are for it or against it. Im also pretty sure the solution you mentioned has not been offered by any political party that I am aware of, so why is it a possible solution? You are the one who suggested it. 

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm:

[ You are just sniping over nothing.. add something to the discussion.  I have yet to see anything of yours worth more than a cursory put-down on fact - this is a clear case in point.

tell us some more of your "war" stories. You know, the ones where you couldnt possibly elaborate but can only hint about your heroic battlefield prowess, over and over and over and over and over again.

I rest my case - you've proven it for me.  Good night.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:24pm:

I rest my case - you've proven it for me.  Good night.

If your case was that you dont have the intestinal fortitude to own your comments, then yes, 100 percent proven. Now run away, you seem to be good at it.

Svengali wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them.

Yes mocking Muslims does this, the poor things.

It has nothing to do with hacking peoples heads off, burning people alive, kidnapping 100's of school girls, shooting little kids at school, shooting girls in he head because they want to be educated, shooting 100's of other, unarmed Muslims in the head because they chose the wrong side of Islam, bombing market places etc etc etc etc etc

It's mocking them that causes alienation and prejudice.

::)just ::)

Post #48,

Well said.

rhino wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:24pm: I rest my case - you've proven it for me.  Good night. If your case was that you dont have the intestinal fortitude to own your comments, then yes, 100 percent proven. Now run away, you seem to be good at it.

Children, children... there is no requirement placed on the user to hold a firm position on such an issue - I merely mooted transportation for life of Muslims as being a possibility in the future - and said that many were OK and that I was reluctant to go that way....

That's a firm position of stating a possibility and saying it's not my chosen way.. but if circumstances dictate....... perhaps we'll offshore all the rabid radicals with the Muslims.....

You don't know much, do you?  Do you imagine all those intelligence and government people of all stamps fully accept every idea of concept handed to them?  If they did - how would they overlook a Monis?

The world doesn't work that way - not the way you want it to.

There is no 'my way or no way at all' in discussion, son - you will need to learn that as you grow up, or your punishment will be endless in life.

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 8:58am:

Post #48, Well said.

You mean you count them? Why not make it easy for us old fogies and quote it?  8-)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/thirty-jihadis-return-home-to-australia-after-being-foreign-fighters/story-fni0fiyv-1227234693848?sv=f38a002359cfaf10d6c5a8d359d16d44&utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

Now herein you may find some juicy bits to chew over:-

"UPDATE: THE Federal Government will appoint a new counter-terrorism boss, as its revealed more than 30 foreign fighters have returned to Australia amid the rising threat of lone-wolf attacks.

There are at least 90 Australians fighting with and supporting terrorist groups in Iraq and Syria and at least 140 people in Australia supporting extremist groups, a review of Australia’s counterterrorism co-ordination has found.

A National Counter Terrorism Co-ordinator will be appointed to improve co-ordination of the various government agencies, Mr Abbott will announce in a National Security Statement to Parliament today.

“Australia has entered a new, long-term era of heightened terrorism threat, with a much more significant ‘home grown’ element,” Mr Abbott said.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that welfare payments to fighters have continued because security agencies have not handed names to Centrelink.

Mr Abbott will also reveal that 20 people have been ­arrested within the space of six months, accounting for one-third of all terrorism-related arrests since 2001.

“The number of foreign fighters is increasing, the number of known sympathisers and supporters of extremists is increasing, and the number of potential terrorists, including many who live in our midst, is rising as well,” he will say in his address.

The PM’s address follows the release of a report into the Sydney siege which found that Australia’s National Security Hotline was contacted 18 times about Martin Place gunman Man Haron Monis in the days leading up to the siege.

But ASIO found Monis’s activities did not “indicate a desire or intent to engage in terrorism”.

The latest details about the deadly attack, which claimed the lives of Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson, were ­released as part of a joint federal and NSW Government review into Monis’s interaction with Australian agencies and departments during his 18 years in Australia
Sydney jihadist Mohamed Elomar.

Over nearly two decades in Australia, NSW police, Australian Federal Police, NSW Joint Counter-Terrorism Team, INTERPOL Tehran and the US Secret Service all raised ­concerns about Monis’s ­behaviour.

He was even identified as a “person of interest” by the AFP ahead of a visit by the Queen for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting and in the lead-up to a visit by Pope Benedict XVI for World Youth Day.

But the review found that despite being subject to ­repeated security reviews — including four separate ASIO investigations — “law enforcement agencies never found any information to indicate Monis had the intent or desire to commit a terrorist act”.

It also found that Monis would likely be granted a visa and citizenship if he arrived in 2015, indicating there is “scope to improve existing Australian visa and citizenship processes”.

Mr Abbott said the system “let us down”.

“Plainly, this monster should not have been in our community. He shouldn’t have been allowed into the country. He shouldn’t have been out on bail. He shouldn’t have been with a gun and he shouldn’t have ­become radicalised,” he said.

“We cherish the fact that we are a free and open and welcoming society, as we must always be, but what’s pretty obvious from this report is that at every stage this individual was given the benefit of the doubt and plainly, the cumulative effect of the benefit of the doubt being given to him time and time again is that he was able to wreak havoc on our community.”

The review, which was commissioned and prepared by the Commonwealth and New South Wales’ cabinets, recommended a raft of “modest changes” to laws and government processes including:

IMPROVEMENTS to information sharing within the Department­ of Immigration;

STRONGER laws to grant or revoke visas and citizenship;

STRICTER bail conditions for terrorists;

AN URGENT review of firearms data by all states and territories­; and

A REVIEW of laws around privacy and health to allow ASIO to access information."

I note that of the 'thirty jihadists' returned, there is no mention of which side they were on or what their activities were.  Hard call...

Anyway - not wanting to sidetrck the discussion (sic) over Danish killers...

Step 1 - bring our defence personnel back.

Let the ME deal with their own internal problems and stop interfering. 

Until we do that we can't expect people to not want to fight back.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 6:21pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 2:40pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 1:02pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:49pm: By mocking Muslims you are pouring oil on troubled waters and contributing to their sense of alienation and the prejudice against them. Every other race and religion has copped it but they didn't feel the need to go on a kill crazy rampage, lets face it they are mentally disturbed, probably from reading too much koran, even you suggest that we should not upset them otherwise they'll lose it, we don't need people around us that can't take a joke, this is Australia for F,s sake! No race or religion has experienced being denounced and denigrated in modern times as public government policy from many governments. This Muslim denigration policy is creating the extremism it purports to lament. You've got it exactly backward. They are mocked and derided because they act like idiots, they kill, they can't control themselves, they generally have a hugely inflated sense of themselves - the illiterate, horny warlord is the final prophet of God, you are a muslim or you are dhimmi, no peace on earth until Islam rules, all that shite - that's why they are mocked. The Buddhists, say, are not mocked and they don't carry on about alienation after they VOLUNTARILY migrate to Western countries. Muslims  should pack up and go back to their 'Muslim lands' if they don't feel like they can fit in here. Perhaps they should, Soren but is that ALL Muslims?   ::)

All who "can't control themselves, ... have a hugely inflated sense of themselves - the illiterate, horny warlord is the final prophet of God, you are a muslim or you are dhimmi, no peace on earth until Islam rules, all that shite" All those. You know, if the shoe fits....


Not the apostates. They have turned their backs to Muslim supremacism. But if in the face of what's happening in the name of Islam you are still a signed up and enthusiastic member, then you are subject to criticism and mockery. Your beliefs are not compatible with Western secular democracy and generally the Western cultural and political inheritance.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am:

rhino wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:37pm: Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 11:24pm: I rest my case - you've proven it for me.  Good night. If your case was that you dont have the intestinal fortitude to own your comments, then yes, 100 percent proven. Now run away, you seem to be good at it. Children, children... there is no requirement placed on the user to hold a firm position on such an issue -

Your need to delegate inconvenient questioners to infantile status in your own mind fits in pretty well with your grandiosity you display most times on this site,  you play to your own image , not the reality of who you are or the actual discussion involved.

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I merely mooted transportation for life of Muslims as being a possibility in the future - and said that many were OK and that I was reluctant to go that way....

Merely? Thats a mere solution? To transport en masse every single Muslim person in this country to their point of origin?



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That's a firm position of stating a possibility and saying it's not my chosen way.. but if circumstances dictate....... perhaps we'll offshore all the rabid radicals with the Muslims.....

But , still, you do not state on what grounds you consider it a possibility, refusal to take personal responsibility for your own comments, i find that , interesting, for want of a better word.



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You don't know much, do you? [/quoter] Nah, i know lots, im very intelligent with real life experience and no amount of manipulative word play on the internet or irl will touch me. [quote] Do you imagine all those intelligence and government people of all stamps fully accept every idea of concept handed to them?  If they did - how would they overlook a Monis?

I dont imagine things pal, I work on my knowledge of the world without the need for ego aggrandisement.



Quote:

The world doesn't work that way - not the way you want it to. There is no 'my way or no way at all' in discussion, son - you will need to learn that as you grow up, or your punishment will be endless in life.

deflection, but not clever deflection, again the need to relegate me to the role of infantile questioner to prop up your own ego. In fact your whole reply here said nothing but was a clearly transparent attempt to prop up your own self image. Im surprised you didnt slip in any  references to your hush hush cant say anything secret intelligence service experience.

Pardon me until I stop laughing...  how many times do you want this non-issue settled?

My position is clear.. move on and find something of value to discuss.... pal.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 11:53am:

Pardon me until I stop laughing...  how many times do you want this non-issue settled? My position is clear.. move on and find something of value to discuss.... pal.

I asked for a clarification of your views and you replied with a personal attack. Its odd that you now seek to call this a non issue. well actually not odd at all. Pretty well in line with your constant attempt to play to your own self image, no matter how out of touch with reality that may be. ;)

Feel the desperation..

What part of 'possible' etc do you not understand?  You are wasting my time and yours over nothing.

Now try the subject... it is a possibility that one day Muslims may be sent offshore - though I do not personally advocate that.

Got it yet?

Pal....

Grandiosity?  LMAO - look at your puny attempts to put things into big words and apparently serious psychological profile areas... talk about grandiose!  According to you, even though you cannot follow simple English but choose to take a section of a sentence and carry on endlessly about it - you have total knowledge of all the arcane ways of discussion and disputation... along with all the buzz words.

Laughable.... Try The Subject!

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Feel the desperation.. What part of 'possible' etc do you not understand?  You are wasting my time and yours over nothing. Now try the subject... it is a possibility that one day Muslims may be sent offshore - though I do not personally advocate that. Got it yet? Pal....

Yes, yes, Im quite desperate. My ego feels the need to impress on the internet.
Why would it be a possibility? No political party  has mooted anything of the sort. you still havent  answered the question which is a very simple one. Exactly who has proposed  the mass transportation of all Muslims from this country? Apart from you. Easy question there. Feel free to deflect again though.

Didn't get past the first sentence.. still laughing....

No matter how hard you try, you are not going to get me to subscribe to a policy or idea that all Muslims are bad and all should be shipped offshore... you'll have to content yourself with the certain knowledge that I see those positions as being a possibility, nothing else. 
Such a position has not one thing to do with any political party at this time - even if those political parties were the final arbiter in any discussion of what may become necessary at some time depending on circumstances - it is the possibility of a future event....


So - now that is settled - what is YOUR position on the offshoring of Muslims?  A positive statement one way or the other would help your discussion point....

"Exactly who has proposed the mass transportation of all Muslims from this country? "  Now where did I propose that?  I simply pointed it out as a possibility and I vear no responsibility for your poor command of English..... now YOU try deflecting again.  Discuss an issue is not proposing it as a policy.


Do YOU see the possibility that one day Muslims may be treated in that way, or not?  How about you posit YOUR position instead of reading nonsense into a simple statement from another?

As for personal attack - you lead off with your puerile reference to Mein Kampf.

Keep trying - you might take a point yet.. you've been had, mister.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Didn't get past the first sentence.. still laughing....

Of course you are, you wouldnt take the internet seriously, we all know that


Quote:

No matter how hard you try, you are not going to get me to subscribe to a policy or idea that all Muslims are bad and all should be shipped offshore... you'll have to content yourself with the certain knowledge that I see those positions as being a possibility, nothing else.

More deflection, I didnt state or attempt to persuade on any view re this, my comments are there for public persual if you wish to go back to them. Just answer the question.



Quote:

So - now that is settled - what is YOUR position on the offshoring of Muslims?  A positive statement one way or the other would help your discussion point....

Evading inconvenient questions doesnt settle anything, I have no position on the subject, thats why I didnt mention it as a possibility. however, you did and still refuse to elaborate on why you did.

rhino wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 12:35pm: Didn't get past the first sentence.. still laughing.... Of course you are, you wouldnt take the internet seriously, we all know that Quote: No matter how hard you try, you are not going to get me to subscribe to a policy or idea that all Muslims are bad and all should be shipped offshore... you'll have to content yourself with the certain knowledge that I see those positions as being a possibility, nothing else. More deflection, just answer the question [quote]So - now that is settled - what is YOUR position on the offshoring of Muslims?  A positive statement one way or the other would help your discussion point....

Evading inconvenient questions doesnt settle anything, I have no position on the subject, thats why I didnt mention it as a possibility.
[/quote]


As usual not one word of substance.....

Answer the questions - own your position...  ;D  ;D  ;D

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:35pm:

Such a position has not one thing to do with any political party at this time - even if those political parties were the final arbiter in any discussion of what may become necessary at some time depending on circumstances - it is the possibility of a future event....

More absurd meaningless non logic, the more you persist with this the more you look like a backpedaller.


Quote:

Keep trying - you might take a point yet.. you've been had, mister.

Yes, yes, im devestated.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Answer the questions - own your position...  ;D  ;D  ;D

I dont have a position on the subject. see how easy it is to be honest? You might like to try it sometime, although we live in hope. Its easy enough, your position as you stated is that there is a possibility that some sort of final solution may be imposed on all Muslim people. Why do youn think that may be a possibility?

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm:

My solution for bad imported Muslims is deportation to the land of their heart's desire... the rest ve vill seek to assimilate in der Ostland mit re-settlement...

Grappler unfrocks and exposes itself as a nazi.

Svengali wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 7:58pm: My solution for bad imported Muslims is deportation to the land of their heart's desire... the rest ve vill seek to assimilate in der Ostland mit re-settlement... Grappler unfrocks and exposes itself as a nazi.

I zee you know how to take a choke... ha ha ha ha.. in zer Sird Reich we haff our zense off humour zurgically implanted.... ha ha ha ha

Ve haff VAYS off making you laugh!  ha ha ha ha

My position remains as clear as the first comment - deporting Muslims en masse may become the way it is done in the future... but it is not my preferred approach, since most Musos are not that bad.  Imran Khan is OK... he's pretty moderate...

Pretty simple -

As for zer rest.. zer Un terMuslimer, zey vill be deported to der New Lands in der Ost vor re-zettlement under der Vinal Zolution!

Back To The Subject, Martie!....

I see.. the official Muslim woman's line is:-

"He's not an insane, murderous terrorist Islamist rat killer of innocents... he's just a very naughty boy! But we applaud him anyway!  Now go away so we can bury him in secret so you Keffirs don't know where to piss on his grave like those Brits do to Margaret Thatcher.... we Muslims have standards... I'm sure I had some here somewhere...."

Yeah - that shows a lot of sanity....

Deport Muslims en masse? I am not seeing the laughing little yellow guy.  ;D I mean first of all how would you round them up; at gun point? And where would you send them? Perhaps we could encourage them with a free one way ticket to Mecca. I think they have to do it once in their lives.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 8:42pm:

Deport Muslims en masse? I am not seeing the laughing little yellow guy.  ;D I mean first of all how would you round them up; at gun point? And where would you send them? Perhaps we could encourage them with a free one way ticket to Mecca. I think they have to do it once in their lives.

"deporting Muslims en masse may become the way it is done in the future... but it is not my preferred approach,"

I am not proposing to send them anywhere, or round them up or anything of the sort, merely mooting the possibility that it may become an approach in the future.

I've made that perfectly clear from the beginning....

Kindly move on....  this matter is closed.