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Melbourne Jewish school sent paedophile teacher to Israel... JEWISH leaders who knew a teacher had admitted fondling young boys did not stop him associating with children in Israel after paying for his ticket to move there, the royal commission has heard.    The actions of the Yeshivah Centre and school in Melbourne — part of the orthodox Chabad movement — as well as its counterpart in Sydney are being examined in relation to three convicted pedophiles who abused children while working there. The royal commission investigating institutional responses to child sexual abuse today heard evidence about how Yeshivah had responded when parents became aware in 1992 that teacher David Kramer had sexually touched some of his young students. Zephaniah Waks, father of three boys who were abused at Yeshivah College, said senior rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Groner had told him a psychiatrist had examined Kramer and concluded the teacher allowed himself to be caught because he wanted to be stopped. Rabbi Groner, now deceased, reportedly said there was a risk of self-harm so Kramer could not be fired.  ::)

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The commission heard Mr Waks felt neither he nor any other parent could inform the police because they would be shunned and intimidated by the community, under the ancient Jewish code of mesirah which prevents Jews from informing on other Jews to civil authorities  :-/

I was also reading last week that senior Rabbi were threatening others not to report child abuse... saying, that dobbing on fellow Rabbi was a worse crime than incest...

what... ?  :o

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:42am:

Quote: Melbourne Jewish school sent paedophile teacher to Israel... JEWISH leaders who knew a teacher had admitted fondling young boys did not stop him associating with children in Israel after paying for his ticket to move there, the royal commission has heard.    The actions of the Yeshivah Centre and school in Melbourne — part of the orthodox Chabad movement — as well as its counterpart in Sydney are being examined in relation to three convicted pedophiles who abused children while working there. The royal commission investigating institutional responses to child sexual abuse today heard evidence about how Yeshivah had responded when parents became aware in 1992 that teacher David Kramer had sexually touched some of his young students. Zephaniah Waks, father of three boys who were abused at Yeshivah College, said senior rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Groner had told him a psychiatrist had examined Kramer and concluded the teacher allowed himself to be caught because he wanted to be stopped. Rabbi Groner, now deceased, reportedly said there was a risk of self-harm so Kramer could not be fired.  ::) I was also reading last week that senior Rabbi were threatening others not to report child abuse... saying, that dobbing on fellow Rabbi was a worse crime than incest... what... ?  :o

many blessings

they will never report on another fellow

this is indoctrinated through all satanic religions of abrahamic persuasion 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Idol_Moloch.jpg

yet they give offerings of child sacrifice yet still to moloch

http://www.hellhorror.com/imgs/demons/molech.jpg
namaste

Are Mohels committing abuse by sucking a childs penis after circumcision. Does that mean that every Jewish male is a victim of child abuse?

Do Mohels get into that business because of the ability to inflict serial child abuse?

Gizmo, please advise.

Svengali wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

Are Mohels committing abuse by sucking a childs penis after circumcision. Does that mean that every Jewish male is a victim of child abuse? Do Mohels get into that business because of the ability to inflict serial child abuse?

well yes by definition

when the ritual is being performed

they suck the blood out of the little baby penis

this blood is pure and the satanics devour this

then the initiate is bound by rabbinical text and dogma as a payback for fellatio

much like the catholic drink blood eat flesh fetish

in that they instruct all drink blood eat flesh

this is a non sense and a satanic ritual ceremony

many have a great party afterwards

and thank the rabbi for sucking their childs penis

these are exposed and forgiven

namaste

Jewish hiding paedophiles

One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance.

Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'.

Fixed for ya.

WTF?


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Two more babies stricken with herpes after ritual ultra-orthodox Jewish oral blood sucking circumcision in New York City Since 2000 13 known cases of herpes have been contracted from the religious practice Two deaths and two babies suffering brain damage have resulted Department of health warns there being no safe way to perform the ritual that dates back more than 5,000 years Two more infants have been infected with a deadly herpes virus in the last three months after undergoing a controversial religious oral circumcision in New York City. The latest cases bring the count to 13 infants since 2000, two of which suffered brain damage and two died from the virus which can rapidly spread throughout its body. The ultra-Orthodox Jewish practice of metzitzah b'peh requires a practitioner to orally suck the baby's penis   :o to 'cleanse' the open wound following its circumcision, making them susceptible to the virus. The department of health says one of the latest infants to contract the virus developed a fever and a lesion on its scrotum, seven days after the procedure. The boy later tested positive for HSV-1. That virus differs from HSV-2, the genital herpes, which is contracted during sexual intercourse.   :o 'A herpes infection in a newborn baby has the risk of leading to severe illness and death,' Jay Varma, deputy commissioner for disease control at the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene The religious practice that dates back to more than 5,000 years defies warning by the city's department of health which says there is no safe way to perform the oral suction on an open wound But some rabbis stand grounded behind the practice, calling it a religious freedom while noting its long history. In September the department voted to require parents to sign forms consenting to the risks of the practice after the death of two children who contracted the virus through the practice. The parents of those newly infected boys are said to have not signed those forms. According to Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive vice president of the Orthodox Jewish organization Agudath Israel of America, two-thirds of boys born in New York City's Hasidic communities are circumcised in the oral suction matter.   :-? The health department claims they've had complaints in past by parents who say they weren't made aware that the oral practice would be performed on their child.

what the ***  :-?


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satanic ritual .

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

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strewth..

any wonder Hitler wanted to get rid of the sick bastards..

http://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/07/25/rabbi-a-romi-cohn-has-sucked-25000-baby-penises-its-a-joyous-occasion/

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 12:51pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg satanic ritual . strewth.. any wonder Hitler wanted to get rid of the sick bastards.. http://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/07/25/rabbi-a-romi-cohn-has-sucked-25000-baby-penises-its-a-joyous-occasion/

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many blessings

these are khazars

pretending to be jews ,

hitler killed many jews yes

all is revealed

namaste

I wonder if Yadda is a Mohel.

None of this is exactly 'news' as far as I'm aware

Twelve or more years ago there was an online site which published names, offence, date, court, etc. of jews who'd been charged with sexual offences against minors and the list just went On and ON and ONNNNNNNN

the site was brought down repeatedly, but the owners/members of the site put it back up just as often

until the day the site was removed


MAKO files are still up in Australia yet they perform the same function, and have done for years,  as the jew-paeophiles site


Who you are, who you know, apparently


They'll reap the whirlwind though.  Eventually

Pity the poor Aussie journo who published this latest outrage.  He's probably had dozens of death threats etc. ever since the story broke.  All those stalwarts whose name may not be mentioned are most likely working the system to ensure that journo becomes unemployed.  Or some other dirty trick

Or perhaps he'll have to write a BS headline about 'poor jews' being victimised and bashed while collecting their kids from school in order to atone for writing the truth about one or more arrested and charged jewish paedophiles

PZ547 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

None of this is exactly 'news' as far as I'm aware Twelve or more years ago there was an online site which published names, offence, date, court, etc. of jews who'd been charged with sexual offences against minors and the list just went On and ON and ONNNNNNNN the site was brought down repeatedly, but the owners/members of the site put it back up just as often until the day the site was removed MAKO files are still up in Australia yet they perform the same function, and have done for years,  as the jew-paeophiles site Who you are, who you know, apparently They'll reap the whirlwind though.  Eventually Pity the poor Aussie journo who published this latest outrage.  He's probably had dozens of death threats etc. ever since the story broke.  All those stalwarts whose name may not be mentioned are most likely working the system to ensure that journo becomes unemployed.  Or some other dirty trick Or perhaps he'll have to write a BS headline about 'poor jews' being victimised and bashed while collecting their kids from school in order to atone for writing the truth about one or more arrested and charged jewish paedophiles

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/pressure-mounts-for-police-corruption-probe/story-e6frgczx-1227202778828?nk=035aafebf943fe0a49126f553d63efbd

Pressure mounts for police corruption probe
THE AUSTRALIAN JANUARY 31, 2015 12:00AM

VICTORIA’S yet-to-be-appointed new police chief commissioner will join the force facing calls for a corruption inquiry after fresh allegations about the bungled or corrupt handling of an informer that led to two murders.

While the Labor government yesterday said it was not considering a royal commission, reported claims of police errors and possible corruption over the murders in 2004 of husband and wife Terence and Christine Hodson are set to fire the debate.

While the opposition refused to comment yesterday, internal political pressure will build for the police handling of the murders to be investigated.

Two former senior police investigators have told Fairfax Media of their concerns about the way the Hodson murders were examined by police.

Former anti-corruption investigator Murray Gregor and former homicide investigator Charlie Bezzina said there were anomalies in the investigations.

Mr Gregor has said an allegation by Terrence Hodson — that disgraced former policeman Paul Dale asked him to find work as a $250,000-a-head hitman — had never been followed up by the force.

Mr Gregor also claimed Mr Dale’s connections may have stretched beyond the late drug lord and murderer Carl Williams to include a small group of police and a lawyer.

Mr Bezzina lamented the lack of resources expended on the Hodson murders.

Yesterday, a spokeswoman for Police Minister Wade Noonan said the government was not considering a royal commission.

A Victoria Police spokesman said the force would await the coroner’s findings. “Unsolved homicide investigations are never closed. If further information comes to hand, it will be examined,’’ she said.

Victoria’s anti-corruption commission said yesterday a report by Murray Kellam QC into the conduct of police in relation to management of human sources, particularly whether they had met their ethical and legal obligations, was expected this year.

The Hodsons were murdered at the home in Kew, in east Melbourne, after Terrence Hodson had turned police informer. He previously had been arrested at a break-in with drug squad detective Dave Miechel. Hodson struck a deal with police, accusing Mr Dale of organising the burglary, an allegation Mr Dale has denied.

Mr Dale could not be contacted yesterday.

Rabbi is saying we should be nicer to pedophiles after a case where jewish pedophiles were convicted in the rape of a 15 year old.

"...in an email to a Sydney Jewish group, he discouraged them from issuing a media statement calling on members of the Jewish community to report abuse..."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abuse-inquiry-into-jewish-centres-resumes/story-e6frfku9-1227212606315


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Rabbi calls for leniency for pedophiles     2 days ago February 09, 2015 9:37PM Maria Gerace (C), during the public hearing into Yeshivah Melbourne A senior rabbi says the justice system should be more lenient towards pedophiles who have repented. Source: AAP A SENIOR rabbi believes the justice system should be more lenient towards pedophiles who have stopped offending so that those who repent don't feel like "scum" forever. PEDOPHILES who are no longer abusing children should not have to spend their lives feeling like the "scum of the earth", Rabbi Yosef Feldman told the royal commission into child sex abuse on Monday. "I would be asking for more leniency on people who have shown that they haven't offended in the last 20 years or decades ago, and have psychological analyses that this is the case," Rabbi Feldman said. "Once someone is not a pedophile any more or is showing (he) is not acting wrongly any more, that should be considered in a very strong way." A more lenient approach for pedophiles, including avoiding lengthy jail terms, would show them that "when you do the right thing, you won't get mistreated badly and it's not the end of the world ... then you are not treated like a pariah, like a scum of the earth". Rabbi Feldman was also asked about an apparent conflict between his public statements and a private email he sent in mid 2011. Publicly, he supported a rabbinical directive that said it was not against Jewish law to report child abuse allegations to secular authorities. But in an email to a Sydney Jewish group, he discouraged them from issuing a media statement calling on members of the Jewish community to report abuse. Rabbi Feldman told the commission he was only concerned that more media attention would trigger false complaints. "I was worried that the publicity would bring about fake victims," Rabbi Feldman said. "... Too much hype causes miscarriages of justice." The commission also took evidence from a man who, in 1991 and as a 15-year-old, was raped by David Cyprys, then caretaker at Yeshivah school in Melbourne. His mother interrupted her leukaemia treatment to fly from interstate once she learned of the abuse. Yeshivah responded by cancelling the boy's school scholarship. "From the time of the disclosure, no one associated with the Yeshivah would speak to us or help us," the victim, named only as AVR, told the commission. Cyprys was convicted and jailed for eight years in 2013 for abusing nine boys at Yeshivah Melbourne. The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is investigating the response of Yeshivah Melbourne and Yeshivah Bondi to child sexual abuse by Cyprys and also David Kramer and Daniel Hayman in the 1980s and 1990s. All three have since been convicted.

The Jewish community has attacked, ostracised and shunned anybody who reports pedophilia by jews. Their Rabbi wants soicety to forgive the pedophiles while punishing the victims.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/03/orthodox-jewish-community-turned-on-victim-after-sex-abuse-allegations
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-victims-advocate-in-Australia-alleges-coverup-of-sexual-abuse-among-ultra-orthodox-389748


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The orthodox Jewish community has responded to allegations of child sex abuse within their institutions with “moral destitution” and by “turning on the victim”, the wife of a man who was abused by religious leaders said. Her testimony to the royal commission into institutional responses into child sex abuse on Tuesday followed evidence from other victims and their families, who also described being attacked and ostracised after coming forward. The witness, identified only as AVC, said the abuse of her husband occurred while he was a student at the Yeshivah Centre in Melbourne, but he only gained the strength to speak up as an adult. “As a spouse of a victim and whistleblower, I feel hated and isolated in my community,” she told the commission at Victoria’s county court. “I have lost faith in the leadership of the Jewish community.” Her husband had been abused by convicted pedophiles David Cyprys, a former locksmith and security guard at the centre, and Daniel “Gug” Hayman, a former director, AVC told the commission. “Well beyond the horrible acts of the perpetrators against my husband that had ripped the rug of security, certainty and innocence out from his childhood, we are being screwed once more by the adolescent self-serving and callous response of the community,” she said. “At a time when support and love are needed, we are facing hate and vitriol. No one cares what is right.” Commissioner Justice Jennifer Coate was clearly moved as AVC described how after her husband went to the police, he was attacked and questioned on Yeshivah internet forums, including by senior figures. Advertisement Religious leaders at the centre began to treat the couple’s children differently, and many of their friends abandoned them, AVC said. “The community’s response to their awakening to the child sexual abuse riddling their community is to turn on the victim and to make them the subject of suspicion,” she told the commission. “Perhaps it is easier for Jewish community leaders to deflect their responsibility, their mishandling of the situation, by perpetuating the myth that my husband’s supposed desire to destroy the community is behind all these sexual abuse allegations.” Earlier in the day another witness, Zephaniah Waks, spoke about the prohibition against “mesirah” within orthodox Jewish law, which he said prevented members from going to non-secular authorities. Three of his sons were abused by various senior staff within the Yeshivah Centre in Melbourne. Waks said he now believed religions should not be allowed to “hide behind” the rules that dictate their faith to avoid state involvement in child sex abuse investigations. While he was wary of state intervention into religion, “in matters of life and death, including child sexual abuse, this rule must be broken”, he said. “If a religious community hides behind false, exaggerated or even real religious precepts to seriously harm people, especially children, I believe the state must interfere.” Waks told counsel assisting the commission, Maria Gerace, about how he was “reduced to nothing” by his religious community in 2011 when he and one of his sons, Manny, began speaking out about the abuse. “We felt our world was flipped upside down,” Waks said, becoming so upset he had to pause. “Every aspect of our lives involved the Yeshivah community. We lived across the road [from the centre]. It felt like we were suddenly reduced to nothing, and had lost all our friends.” He and his family have since left the country and the Yeshivah community, largely because of the abuse, Waks said. The commission hearings, which began on Monday, are the first time child sex abuse in the Jewish community has been examined since the commission began its work in 2013. The hearings continue.

The enablers who failed to act when informed of pedophilia should be facing criminal charges. Not only did they fail to act they punished the victim.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Dont-go-after-reformed-pedophiles-Australian-rabbi-tells-govt-tribunal-390549


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One former student of the Melbourne Yeshiva Center, which is not affiliated with its counterpart in Sydney, told the commission that after informing the school’s rabbinic leadership that he was molested by pedophile David Cyprys, he lost his scholarship. “They did not offer to help me or provide me with counseling,” AJN quoted the student, identified as AVR, as saying.

The big nose jews sound just as bad as bloody Pell and the Micks, Salvos and the other god squads!

;D

Look - most Jews give paedophiles hidings.. not the other way around.

Stop making a big deal out of one thing.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Look - most Jews give paedophiles hidings.. not the other way around. Stop making a big deal out of one thing.

The most disgraceful aspect is that the Jews are punishing the victims and giving free passes to the perpetrators.

It appears that managements of Yeshivas have been enabling pedophilia by not reporting to police and taking no other action to prevent pedophilia.

The only hiding being given is the hiding of pedophilia.

How many Mohels are serial pedophiliacs who ply their practice while the parents look on proudly.

Svengali wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 9:04pm: Look - most Jews give paedophiles hidings.. not the other way around. Stop making a big deal out of one thing. The most disgraceful aspect is that the Jews are punishing the victims and giving free passes to the perpetrators. It appears that managements of Yeshivas have been enabling pedophilia by not reporting to police and taking no other action to prevent pedophilia. The only hiding being given is the hiding of pedophilia. How many Mohels are serial pedophiliacs who ply their practice while the parents look on proudly.

well the rabbi sucks the blood out of the childs penis ..

do any think this is normal ?

babies have contracted syphilis from the peadophile rabbi that sucked the penis of the infant

this is clear satanic ceremony

namaste

Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us.

It seems patently clear that none actually simply provide that which they purport to, and all have their issues which, ultimately, cause more harm that good.

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 6:15am:

Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us.

There does seem to be a theme emerging in regards to religious institutions. They aren't the safest places for kids, that is for sure.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:15am: Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us. There does seem to be a theme emerging in regards to religious institutions. They aren't the safest places for kids, that is for sure.

Especially Islam they call a known pedophile a prophet and say he is the perfect example of the perfect muslim.

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Phemanderac wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:15am: Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us. There does seem to be a theme emerging in regards to religious institutions. They aren't the safest places for kids, that is for sure. Especially Islam they call a known pedophile a prophet and say he is the perfect example of the perfect muslim.

In Australia the known pedophile or enabler is a Yeshivah employee. The victims are punished instead of the pedophiles.

Svengali wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:16pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:11pm: Phemanderac wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:15am: Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us. There does seem to be a theme emerging in regards to religious institutions. They aren't the safest places for kids, that is for sure. Especially Islam they call a known pedophile a prophet and say he is the perfect example of the perfect muslim. In Australia the known pedophile or enabler is a Yeshivah employee. The victims are punished instead of the pedophiles.

Yeah pedophiles usually hide in religious orgs that shun pedophilia. In Islam there is no need to hide as it is the perfect example of their prophet.

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it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg satanic ritual .

The God of Israel, is SATAN ???

....to you!! ?





Joshua 5:2
At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time.
3  And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins.
4  And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt.
5  Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised.

Yadda wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 12:51pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg satanic ritual . The God of Israel, is SATAN ??? ....to you!! ? Joshua 5:2 At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time. 3  And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. 4  And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt. 5  Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised.

Did god command the Mohels to give the poor child's penis a jolly good suck?

It seems that pedophilia is an institution and Mohels are not subject to scrutiny to determine whether their motives are decent.

Yadda are you a Mohel?

Svengali wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:33pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 12:51pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg satanic ritual . The God of Israel, is SATAN ??? ....to you!! ? Joshua 5:2 At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time. 3  And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. 4  And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt. 5  Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised. Did god command the Mohels to give the poor child's penis a jolly good suck? It seems that pedophilia is an institution and Mohels are not subject to scrutiny to determine whether their motives are decent. Yadda are you a Mohel?

Svengali,

I am intact.

So what do you think ?

:)

.

The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing

People dont' like that movie, according to reports


I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to


However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud

It's online

and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently

It must embarrass them

maybe


when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews

it leaves people to form their own conclusions


So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud

Currently, they haven't

Currently, people form opinions about that


Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff

let alone study it

let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion

LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT


aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child

even their own

PZ547 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

. The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own

And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18am: . The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion

The Talmud is a fake according to Jewish scholar Gizmo?

Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 8:12am:

Svengali wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:48pm: Yadda wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:33pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 12:51pm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WEtxEPGgD5M/UhOvqwqKe7I/AAAAAAAAH1A/XroDB_eeEA0/s1600/sachs+2.jpg https://sungod64.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/brit-milah1.jpg satanic ritual . The God of Israel, is SATAN ??? ....to you!! ? Joshua 5:2 At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time. 3  And Joshua made him sharp knives, and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. 4  And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt. 5  Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised. Did god command the Mohels to give the poor child's penis a jolly good suck? It seems that pedophilia is an institution and Mohels are not subject to scrutiny to determine whether their motives are decent. Yadda are you a Mohel? Svengali, I am intact. So what do you think ? :)

Your Mohel threw the wrong piece  away.

Svengali wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 10:37am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:21am: PZ547 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18am: . The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion The Talmud is a fake according to Jewish scholar Gizmo?

No, the interpretations and a lot of the quotes are are incorrect on the web sites that have the alleged excerpts.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18am: . The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion

many blessings

many fools and idiots do not believe in the protocols of zion

yet the agenda keeps being carried out as the powers that were

would have it yet  , lo ...

that is satanic sacrificial death cult teachings and

satanic ritual binding the natural human being to a satanic agenda

divide and rule separation and conquer

the rabbi gets his blood lust fix on fascination street as he sucks the childs fresh sweet blood .

how could they ever EVER hope to pull something like this off ?

no pun intended beloveds

they would have to severely retard the human population

to ever let them give their newborn over to a satanic babalonian high priest 

same same vatican satanic child rapists and priests there

these are cut down from their high positions now

with so very much love and divine light

namaste

the protocols are a fake. Deal with it.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

Svengali wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 10:37am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:21am: PZ547 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18am: . The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion The Talmud is a fake according to Jewish scholar Gizmo? No, the interpretations and a lot of the quotes are are incorrect on the web sites that have the alleged excerpts.

So, only Gizmo is privy to truth? How can Gizmo purport to be so knowledgable in the Talmud when it has previously denied being Jewish?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

the protocols are a fake. Deal with it.

many blessings

as previously advised you are ignored

with your ignorant 1 line offhanded unfounded mutterings without links to back up your ignorance

so be at peace

namaste

Svengali wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

How can Gizmo purport to be so knowledgable in the Talmud when it has previously denied being Jewish?

Yadda is not Jewish either.

And Yadda knows zip, about the Talmud.                     ....except, i know that the Talmud are writings that have no real authority.        Not like the holy authority which the law of the God of Israel [Torah] has.

:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 12:23pm: the protocols are a fake. Deal with it. many blessings as previously advised you are ignored with your ignorant 1 line offhanded unfounded mutterings without links to back up your ignorance so be at peace namaste

Stop responding then

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s.

Adolf Hitler was a major proponent. It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazis came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent by The Times of London in 1921. The historian Norman Cohn suggested that Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his "warrant for genocide".[2]

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today in numerous languages, in print and on the Internet, and continues to be presented by some proponents as a genuine document.

Global domination is the ultimate goal of all organised religion, regardless of how clearly it is stated or not.

The nature of dogma I suppose.

Organised religion is the true enemy of humanity, nature and all species living on the planet. Don't get me wrong, plenty of "nice" messages come out of various sects of organised religion - trouble is, those messages are only as good as the people who try daily to enact them - not many.

For the main part, the bureaucratic nature of organised religions is its own undoing - human weakness and temptation to clutch at moments of exercising power and control over others being what they are. Since getting rid of people though isn't necessarily in the human races best interests, it would seem the logical move would be to do away with our various crutches in the guise of organised religion.

Perhaps one day, when the species matures - at least, if we make it through the current adolescent phase.

Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 12:25pm: How can Gizmo purport to be so knowledgable in the Talmud when it has previously denied being Jewish? Yadda is not Jewish either. And Yadda knows zip, about the Talmud.                     ....except, i know that the Talmud are writings that have no real authority.        Not like the holy authority which the law of the God of Israel [Torah] has. :)

My dear children, may I teach you? Your ignorance needs to be quenched with knowledge.

Today's lecture is on the Talmud which Yadda and his misbegotten spawn Gizmo appear ignorant of.

Don't thank me.

Please commit to memory the highlighted quote below (especially Mr. Yadda). You will be examined on it.


Quote:

The Talmud contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including Halakha (law), Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, lore and many other topics. The Talmud is the basis for all codes of Jewish law and is much quoted in rabbinic literature.

Svengali wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 11:57am: Svengali wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 10:37am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:21am: PZ547 wrote on Feb 13th, 2015 at 8:18am: . The media (owned 96% by the you know whos) is screaming about how 'salacious' etc. etc. is that 'Grey' thing People dont' like that movie, according to reports I haven't seen or read the 'grey' thing, don't intend to However, one of the worst things I've ever read is excerpts from the Talmud It's online and now, jews don't want to own it, apparently It must embarrass them maybe when non-jews read how supposedly wise old jews tell grown up male jews that their three month old girl baby wife --- is capable of treachery and FLIRTATION with OTHER male jews it leaves people to form their own conclusions So jews and their apoligists will need to publicy and practically DISOWN and REVILE the Talmud Currently, they haven't Currently, people form opinions about that Most people believe that anyone who could write that stuff let alone study it let alone allow it to remain in 21st century religion LET  ALONE  MAKE  EXCUSES  FOR  IT aren't right in the head and shouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of any child even their own And is also completely fake...First published by a KKK group, is as 'real' as the Protocols of Zion The Talmud is a fake according to Jewish scholar Gizmo? No, the interpretations and a lot of the quotes are are incorrect on the web sites that have the alleged excerpts. So, only Gizmo is privy to truth? How can Gizmo purport to be so knowledgable in the Talmud when it has previously denied being Jewish?

Umm it (the Talmud) is not 'denied' as being Jewish...

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Global domination is the ultimate goal of all organised religion, regardless of how clearly it is stated or not. The nature of dogma I suppose. Organised religion is the true enemy of humanity, nature and all species living on the planet. Don't get me wrong, plenty of "nice" messages come out of various sects of organised religion - trouble is, those messages are only as good as the people who try daily to enact them - not many. For the main part, the bureaucratic nature of organised religions is its own undoing - human weakness and temptation to clutch at moments of exercising power and control over others being what they are. Since getting rid of people though isn't necessarily in the human races best interests, it would seem the logical move would be to do away with our various crutches in the guise of organised religion. Perhaps one day, when the species matures - at least, if we make it through the current adolescent phase.

yes the protocols of zion are followed by many

global leaders in politics banking law religion yes

its a satanic freemasonic doctrine

namaste

- : ) =

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Look - most Jews give paedophiles hidings.. not the other way around. Stop making a big deal out of one thing.

What exactly do you mean by "most Jews?" You do realise they belong to different groups, don't you?

Ultra-Orthodox, traditional Orthodox, modern Orthodox, Reform, Reconstructionist, Renewal, etc.


Svengali wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

The most disgraceful aspect is that the Jews are punishing the victims and giving free passes to the perpetrators.

I hope you are not speaking of Jews generally.


Phemanderac wrote on Feb 12^th, 2015 at 6:15am:

Well, for my part, all this does is confirm what I have thought for a long time, ALL organised religion needs to be outlawed, disbanded and put well behind us. It seems patently clear that none actually simply provide that which they purport to, and all have their issues which, ultimately, cause more harm that good.

Now you are clearly making generalisations here.


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

And Yadda knows zip, about the Talmud.

I don't know much about the Talmud either ....................


Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

....except, i know that the Talmud are writings that have no real authority.        Not like the holy authority which the law of the God of Israel [Torah] has.

............... except that the Torah has two parts to it: written and oral, and the Talmud is a written manifestation of the oral Torah, which has authority over Rabbinical Jews.


Svengali wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

The Talmud contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including Halakha (law), Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, lore and many other topics. The Talmud is the basis for all codes of Jewish law and is much quoted in rabbinic literature

The question is, Svengali, do you know how to read it, and by that I mean, would you be able to tell me about any "halakhic obligations" a Jew would have in the modern world?

It's one thing to tell people what the book contains, and quite another to know how to apply it to the modern world.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

Adolf Hitler was a major proponent. It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazis came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent by The Times of London in 1921. The historian Norman Cohn suggested that Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his "warrant for genocide".[2]

Ironically, some Internet sources suggest that Hitler's biological parents were Frankists and the Frankists as you might know were heretics who were kicked out of mainstream Judaism for their bizarre rituals. They were also successors of the Shabbateans, a group that believed that Sabbatei Zevi was the messiah. What Hitler did to the Jewish people was therefore "bizarre" considering the origins of his biological parents' religion.


Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies.

Some Internet sources claim it is a Frankist goal to subvert Gentile morals. A true Rabbinical Jew would not be interested in subverting Gentile morals because that is against the Seven Noahide Laws.

Similar to how Frankists were lurking in Jewish synagogues in the 18th century and had to be kicked out by Jacob Emden and were pretending to be "Christian," it's likely they continue to do so in the 21st century. They are probably still lurking in synagogues pretending to be Rabbinical Jews, lurking in churches and getting involved in the zionist movement, infiltrating any group or organisation that they think can be used to fulfil the Frankist agenda, whatever that is.

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Organised religion is the true enemy of humanity, nature and all species living on the planet.

That is an extreme view. You may find "religion" annoying, but it is not the worst thing the human race has to fear. There is something far worse than whatever discomfort religion may cause you and that is nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons have the ability to wipe out large numbers of humans in one blow and whoever decides to build them obviously has a death wish and is suicidal. Their invention has given the human race the ability for self-annihilation. Nuclear weapons are the ultimate weapon of war. They can destroy your enemy once and for all.

War is far more destructive than the mild discomfort you may receive from religion and the human race has never stopped engaging in and making weapons for war. That means that the worst enemy the human race has is itself and the true enemy of humanity is ourselves.


Phemanderac wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Don't get me wrong, plenty of "nice" messages come out of various sects of organised religion - trouble is, those messages are only as good as the people who try daily to enact them - not many. For the main part, the bureaucratic nature of organised religions is its own undoing - human weakness and temptation to clutch at moments of exercising power and control over others being what they are. Since getting rid of people though isn't necessarily in the human races best interests, it would seem the logical move would be to do away with our various crutches in the guise of organised religion. Perhaps one day, when the species matures - at least, if we make it through the current adolescent phase.

Religion is not the problem. The problem is people not understanding the true purpose of religion, which is to serve as literature that guides us toward "the better angels of our nature" as Abraham Lincoln put it.

It is not a religion's fault if its adherents behave in a rude, obnoxious or even violent manner. It is the fault of the humans who don't understand it. Every human being is solely responsible for their own actions and "religion" cannot be blamed for it or used as an excuse for their actions.

Religion is just literature, just a collection of ideas. It's how people use those ideas that is the problem.

The author of a book is not responsible for the behaviour of its readers, and nor is the content itself. J. D. Salinger was not responsible for John Lennon's death and nor was the book he wrote: The Catcher in the Rye. Not everyone who reads that book goes on a murderous frenzy. It was the reader, not the book that was the problem.

It is the narcissism of people who read the Bible that causes them to do abhorrent things, not the Bible itself. It is people thinking, upon reading the Bible, that somehow they are agents of God's will. The Bible does not, in fact, say that "you" or anyone personally is to carry out God's will. It is a collection of stories, messages, poems and songs and isn't addressed to anyone.

If you think religion is the worst thing humanity has had to deal with, just look at what is happening in Asia today, where defence budgets are growing. They say the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Well, now it's starting up again. This time it isn't Russia. It's China.

The Second World War was far more destructive than "religion," and the Third World War is likely to be just as destructive, maybe even worse.

Its rotten at the very top. Rabbi Yaakov Glasman, a former president of the Rabbinical Council of Victoria says that pedophilia is not endemic and then during the court hearing the dope sends a text disparaging and ostracizing victims.

What a hypocrite and pedophile enabler Rabbi Yaakov Glasman is. Its rotten right to the top.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/02/13/fringe-rabbis-slammed-commission


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Rabbi Yaakov Glasman, a former president of the Rabbinical Council of Victoria, called such opinions "fringe". "It would be an understatement to say that we are deeply disturbed by some of the comments that have been made by rabbis in this very box," Rabbi Glasman told the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse on Friday. "There can be no words that could in any way seek to mitigate or to reverse the damage that they have caused ... comments which I know the overwhelming majority of the rabbinate distance themselves from emphatically." Rabbi Glasman urged the broader community not to assume all rabbis shared the same views. Australia's most senior rabbi, Rabbi Meir Kluwgant, also appeared on the last day of hearings in Melbourne, where he was caught out by a text message in which he criticised a victim's father. Rabbi Kluwgant, the president of the Organisation of Rabbis Australia, had repeatedly testified it was "absolutely" wrong to discourage victims from speaking out or to blame their families for doing so. But he was then asked about an SMS he sent to a Jewish journalist on Tuesday while Zephaniah Waks, the father of sex abuse victim Manny Waks, was giving testimony. The text message says: "Zephaniah ... is a lunatic on the fringe. Guilty of neglect of his own children. Where was he when all this was happening?" There was a gasp in the court as the message was read out and Rabbi Klugwant agreed: "I may have said that, yes." He later made a lengthy apology. "I want to acknowledge that the issue of child sexual abuse was not handled well in the past and that there is still a lot that needs to be done to create and foster a safe and welcoming and supportive environment for victims," Rabbi Kluwgant said. Outside the inquiry, Manny Waks told reporters the text message was the latest in a campaign of intimidation his family had faced since speaking out about child sexual abuse in Jewish schools. The royal commission's findings are expected later this year.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya.

The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests.

The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities.

I think you will find that the thread title is accurate

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate

A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes.

Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia.

We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap.

Svengali wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap.

Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple...

Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia...

It's really a massively 'long bow'....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 11:05am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap. Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple... Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia... It's really a massively 'long bow'....

If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well.

Gizmo darling, you claim not to be Jewish yet you publish statements with authority as if you are not only a member but in authority.

Please leaborate.

You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge.

Svengali wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 5:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 11:05am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap. Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple... Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia... It's really a massively 'long bow'.... If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well. Gizmo darling, you claim not to be Jewish yet you publish statements with authority as if you are not only a member but in authority. Please leaborate. You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge.

As do YOU..you seem to whine about being Jewish..(and make up poo about 'being Jewish') while 'claiming' to not be Jewish...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:06pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 5:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 11:05am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap. Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple... Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia... It's really a massively 'long bow'.... If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well. Gizmo darling, you claim not to be Jewish yet you publish statements with authority as if you are not only a member but in authority. Please leaborate. You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge. As do YOU..you seem to whine about being Jewish..(and make up poo about 'being Jewish') while 'claiming' to not be Jewish...

many blessings so lets have it

did the rabbi suck the blood from your penis

after he mutilated your phallus when you were newly or otherwise born upon this world ?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/philipcarter/masonry/broken_pillar.jpg

namaste

I saw a post not long ago , and in that Post someone said the N word , And they were banned. But Its OK To say all this crap about Jews ?? Please mods do something about these Neo Nazis.

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:06pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 5:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 11:05am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap. Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple... Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia... It's really a massively 'long bow'.... If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well. Gizmo darling, you claim not to be Jewish yet you publish statements with authority as if you are not only a member but in authority. Please leaborate. You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge. As do YOU..you seem to whine about being Jewish..(and make up poo about 'being Jewish') while 'claiming' to not be Jewish... many blessings so lets have it did the rabbi suck the blood from your penis after he mutilated your phallus when you were newly or otherwise born upon this world ? http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/philipcarter/masonry/broken_pillar.jpg namaste

No, since I was born Catholic..

There's no chance that a 'rabbi' did anything to 'my penis'...which really means that the 'light' is a complete moron, who has NO idea what is happening in the 'real world'..

So Wharfy, you are in fact a total moron, who is actually too stupid to tie your own shoe laces...

Perses wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

I saw a post not long ago , and in that Post someone said the N word , And they were banned. But Its OK To say all this crap about Jews ?? Please mods do something about these Neo Nazis.

not sure whats upsetting you...

the fact that Jewish Priests like sucking the penises of babies?

the fact that these bastards are now getting caught for paedophilia?

the fact that Jews hide these acts and do not report them.. what>??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:35pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 6:06pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 5:32pm: Svengali wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 11:05am: The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15th, 2015 at 10:34am: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 11:32am: Jewish hiding paedophiles One Israeli institution gives a kiddy fondler a second chance. Jews as such do not 'hide paedophiles'. Fixed for ya. The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests. The whistle blower had to move overseas because the family was being persecuted by the jewish community for reporting a jew to the authorities. I think you will find that the thread title is accurate A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes. Grappler is wrong in his attempted defence of Jewish pedophelia. We might hear more from pedophilia expert Gizmo who has returned after its mother washed its mouth out with soap. Of course the 'whole Jewish' community DIDN'T ostracize the families...it was 'just' the members of one Temple... Saying that 'all Jews' support Paedophilia is like saying  'all Christians/Catholics' or ALL 'Muslims' "support paedophilia... It's really a massively 'long bow'.... If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well. Gizmo darling, you claim not to be Jewish yet you publish statements with authority as if you are not only a member but in authority. Please leaborate. You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge. As do YOU..you seem to whine about being Jewish..(and make up poo about 'being Jewish') while 'claiming' to not be Jewish... many blessings so lets have it did the rabbi suck the blood from your penis after he mutilated your phallus when you were newly or otherwise born upon this world ? http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/philipcarter/masonry/broken_pillar.jpg namaste No, since I was born Catholic.. There's no chance that a 'rabbi' did anything to 'my penis'...which really means that the 'light' is a complete nice person, who has NO idea what is happening in the 'real world'.. So Wharfy, you are in fact a total nice person, who is actually too stupid to tie your own shoe laces...

Gizmo darling we feel your pain. Your being an unwitting and unwilling victim of foreskin banditry. Now the terrible memories of that excision has caused you to suffer Stockholm syndrome and you are identifying with your tormentors.

Get well soon Gizmo darling.

Perses wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

I saw a post not long ago , and in that Post someone said the N word , And they were banned. But Its OK To say all this crap about Jews ?? Please mods do something about these Neo Nazis.

many blessings

did your rabbi mutilate you also ?

are you in discomfort because you are now disfigured ?

these are facts that apply to mutilation rituals

openly admitted in your dogma and doctrine ..

this is no secret yet secret to some ,

hence confusions

these are forgiven

namaste

and now ,

many will realized they have been branded and mutilated

as their parents have openly consented

to contract with molech and his underlings


Leviticus 18:21

"'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Idol_Moloch.jpg


namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

and now , many will realized they have been branded and mutilated as their parents have openly consented to contract with molech and his underlings Leviticus 18:21 "'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Idol_Moloch.jpg namaste

Or, perhaps :
"21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them[a] to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord."

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

The issue here, just like with the Catholic Church cases, is that those in charge of the religious institutions knew the pedophilia was happening but chose to not report it. In fact they showed no sympathy for the victim, they were too busy protecting their own interests.

It's not a matter of them knowing there were paedophiles. It's a question of why they didn't report it, and there were completely different reasons for why Jews didn't report them and why the Catholic Church didn't.

The Church did it to protect the "faith" of their adherents. It did it to save face. Unlike the Church, the rabbis were simply following an ancient directive in oral tradition. This is what they mean when they talk about the so-called "code of silence." This directive was meant to protect Jews from persecution.

You see, the rabbis of the local Chabad community had completely different motivations for keeping quiet about paedophilia in contrast to the Church.


Svengali wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

A shameful aspect of this is the whole Jewish community ostracized and shunned the families that reported pedophilia to the police while allowing the pedophiles to continue their crimes.

I am going to repeat this again. There are different groups of Jews. There is Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox, Reform, Renewal, Reconstructionist, etc.

This happened in a Chabad community. Chabad is ultra-Orthodox. The "code of silence" thing is something associated with the Chabad community. It does not exist in all Jewish groups.


Svengali wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

If they had gone to another temple the word would have spread and they would have been ostracized there as well.

A very traditional group like Chabad would probably have rules against mixing with other groups of Jews.

Besides, a "code of silence" would mean they would not discuss what happened, even to other groups of Jews.

Unlike you and I who live in a secular society, ultra-Orthodox Jews do not treat matters like this lightly. If they have been instructed to keep their silence over something like paedophilia, they wouldn't be gossiping about it. To these ultra-Orthodox Jews, a "code of silence" is a bit like an oath. It is sacred. You do not break it. To break the code is to betray the entire community. It could mean getting kicked out of that community or being ostracised, which is precisely what happened. From what I have heard, they are now attending services at a modern Orthodox synagogue, which does not have such problems.


Svengali wrote on Feb 15^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

You could not possibly have known that ostracism occurred only at one temple unless you have inside knowledge.

You don't need inside knowledge, just some basic knowledge of how different groups of Jews operate. You can learn all this from the Internet.

Mnemonic wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

It's not a matter of them knowing there were paedophiles. It's a question of why they didn't report it, and there were completely different reasons for why Jews didn't report them and why the Catholic Church didn't. The Church did it to protect the "faith" of their adherents. It did it to save face. Unlike the Church, the rabbis were simply following an ancient directive in oral tradition. This is what they mean when they talk about the so-called "code of silence." This directive was meant to protect Jews from persecution. You see, the rabbis of the local Chabad community had completely different motivations for keeping quiet about paedophilia in contrast to the Church. I am going to repeat this again. There are different groups of Jews. There is Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox, Reform, Renewal, Reconstructionist, etc. This happened in a Chabad community. Chabad is ultra-Orthodox. The "code of silence" thing is something associated with the Chabad community. It does not exist in all Jewish groups. A very traditional group like Chabad would probably have rules against mixing with other groups of Jews. Besides, a "code of silence" would mean they would not discuss what happened, even to other groups of Jews. Unlike you and I who live in a secular society, ultra-Orthodox Jews do not treat matters like this lightly. If they have been instructed to keep their silence over something like paedophilia, they wouldn't be gossiping about it. To these ultra-Orthodox Jews, a "code of silence" is a bit like an oath. It is sacred. You do not break it. To break the code is to betray the entire community. It could mean getting kicked out of that community or being ostracised, which is precisely what happened. From what I have heard, they are now attending services at a modern Orthodox synagogue, which does not have such problems. You don't need inside knowledge, just some basic knowledge of how different groups of Jews operate. You can learn all this from the Internet.

This is an attempt to justify the pedophilia and to justify the concealment of the pedophilia from authorities.

Jews are not above the law and there were crimes committed by many of the particpants in the knowledge of the pedophilia and failure to report it and even failure to prevent subsequent pedophilia by the perpetrators.

The lame excuse of Jews not reporting pedophilia because of fear of discrimination is false because they have a privileged position and no need to fear discrimination in Australia. This is just part of the coverup with the people having knowledge of pedophilia inventing false excuses to try and protect themselves from criminal charges.

In regard to ostracism of victims and their families, the ostracism occurred before the families went to the police. They first reported it to Jewish leadership and were ostracized. There is no excuse of the ostracism of the families and the Jewish community should be named and shamed for that.

The exceptionalism of Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox Jews in enforcing and applying their own law is unacceptable in Australian society. If Muslims and other minorities are expected to assimilate, then so should Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox Jews.

Svengali wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

This is an attempt to justify the pedophilia and to justify the concealment of the pedophilia from authorities.

I was not trying to justify anything. I was responding to your generalisations against the entire Jewish community.


Svengali wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

Jews are not above the law and there were crimes committed by many of the particpants in the knowledge of the pedophilia and failure to report it and even failure to prevent subsequent pedophilia by the perpetrators.

Who said they were above the law?


Svengali wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

The lame excuse of Jews not reporting pedophilia because of fear of discrimination is false because they have a privileged position and no need to fear discrimination in Australia. This is just part of the coverup with the people having knowledge of pedophilia inventing false excuses to try and protect themselves from criminal charges.

After 2,000 years of being subjected to race riots, being deported and kicked around in various ways, they obviously believe they would be persecuted again if someone said something that would put the entire community in danger. Your generalisations are precisely the kind of thing that reinforce the belief that they are under siege, that they are being "attacked" because they are Jewish. They believe you are their enemy, not their friend, because you don't try to understand them.

Your generalising comments are not going to convince Jews to co-operate. They're just going to withdraw further into the shadows and become even more tight-lipped. The more you talk about their Jewishness, the more they're going to continue to believe that you are attacking them.

They think someone is looking for an excuse to launch another race riot. It might as well be paedophilia. That's what they're thinking.


Svengali wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

In regard to ostracism of victims and their families, the ostracism occurred before the families went to the police. They first reported it to Jewish leadership and were ostracized. There is no excuse of the ostracism of the families and the Jewish community should be named and shamed for that.

This ostracism doesn't happen in all Jewish communities. That is something you need to know before you start making generalisations against all Jews. Some communities are more open than others and more likely to co-operate with authorities.


Svengali wrote on Feb 16^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

The exceptionalism of Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox Jews in enforcing and applying their own law is unacceptable in Australian society.

You obviously didn't understand what I said about these distinct groups. They are different.

I heard in a recent news report that Manny Waks' family is considering quitting the Ultra-Orthodox Chabad community and has attended a Modern Orthodox synagogue to get away from the suffocating culture of ostracism that exists in the Chabad community.

A Modern Orthodox community would be more progressive than say, an Ultra-Orthodox one like Chabad. That's the reason why I think it's called "Modern Orthodox." It's "modern." It doesn't suffer from the backward views of traditional Orthodoxy. They would be less likely to ostracise people for reporting child abusers to the authorities and more understanding of the victims of paedophilia. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anything about it in my web searches (in the form of transcripts) so I can't show you what I heard in that news report.

The underlying problem, I believe, is that the Chabad community either doesn't understand paedophilia, or if they do, they have a deep-rooted belief that following their community's strict rules is more important than justice for victims of paedophilia. They are unable to see the big picture and if only they could be convinced that the paedophilia was not their responsibility, they would let go and allow the authorities to do their job.

Mnemonic wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 3:12am:

Svengali wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 9:28am: This is an attempt to justify the pedophilia and to justify the concealment of the pedophilia from authorities. I was not trying to justify anything. I was responding to your generalisations against the entire Jewish community. Svengali wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 9:28am: Jews are not above the law and there were crimes committed by many of the particpants in the knowledge of the pedophilia and failure to report it and even failure to prevent subsequent pedophilia by the perpetrators. Who said they were above the law? Svengali wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 9:28am: The lame excuse of Jews not reporting pedophilia because of fear of discrimination is false because they have a privileged position and no need to fear discrimination in Australia. This is just part of the coverup with the people having knowledge of pedophilia inventing false excuses to try and protect themselves from criminal charges. After 2,000 years of being subjected to race riots, being deported and kicked around in various ways, they obviously believe they would be persecuted again if someone said something that would put the entire community in danger. Your generalisations are precisely the kind of thing that reinforce the belief that they are under siege, that they are being "attacked" because they are Jewish. They believe you are their enemy, not their friend, because you don't try to understand them. Your generalising comments are not going to convince Jews to co-operate. They're just going to withdraw further into the shadows and become even more tight-lipped. The more you talk about their Jewishness, the more they're going to continue to believe that you are attacking them. They think someone is looking for an excuse to launch another race riot. It might as well be paedophilia. That's what they're thinking. Svengali wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 9:28am: In regard to ostracism of victims and their families, the ostracism occurred before the families went to the police. They first reported it to Jewish leadership and were ostracized. There is no excuse of the ostracism of the families and the Jewish community should be named and shamed for that. This ostracism doesn't happen in all Jewish communities. That is something you need to know before you start making generalisations against all Jews. Some communities are more open than others and more likely to co-operate with authorities. Svengali wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 9:28am: The exceptionalism of Ultra-Orthodox, modern Orthodox, traditional Orthodox Jews in enforcing and applying their own law is unacceptable in Australian society. You obviously didn't understand what I said about these distinct groups. They are different. I heard in a recent news report that Manny Waks' family is considering quitting the Ultra-Orthodox Chabad community and has attended a Modern Orthodox synagogue to get away from the suffocating culture of ostracism that exists in the Chabad community. A Modern Orthodox community would be more progressive than say, an Ultra-Orthodox one like Chabad. That's the reason why I think it's called "Modern Orthodox." It's "modern." It doesn't suffer from the backward views of traditional Orthodoxy. They would be less likely to ostracise people for reporting child abusers to the authorities and more understanding of the victims of paedophilia. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anything about it in my web searches (in the form of transcripts) so I can't show you what I heard in that news report. The underlying problem, I believe, is that the Chabad community either doesn't understand paedophilia, or if they do, they have a deep-rooted belief that following their community's strict rules is more important than justice for victims of paedophilia. They are unable to see the big picture and if only they could be convinced that the paedophilia was not their responsibility, they would let go and allow the authorities to do their job.

In summary Mnemonic is saying pedophilia is ok in Chabads and Yeshivas and that Australia should keep its nose out of the business of Chabads and Yeshivas.

Svengali wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

In summary Mnemonic is saying pedophilia is ok in Chabads and Yeshivas and that Australia should keep its nose out of the business of Chabads and Yeshivas.

No, you missed my point.

I was saying that making generalisations about Jews will only make Jews think that the only reason why you're interested in paedophilia is because you're trying to stir up hatred against the Jewish people. That's what they're thinking. You are not going to get them to co-operate as long as they think you are attacking them because they're Jews.

I was saying that you should stop making generalisations about Jews and start thinking about the real reasons why they aren't co-operating.

Jews in fact aren't the only ethnic groups to not co-operate with authorities out of distrust of the police and the courts.

The same thing happened with the Vietnamese refugees in Cabramatta in NSW when they were trying to crack down on Vietnamese gangs. The NSW police had some difficulty getting the Vietnamese refugees to give them information about gang members. The refugees didn't trust the police. They believed that all police were corrupt, likely due to their experiences of them back in South Vietnam. A lot of African refugees have the same perceptions about police and courts in general, that police everywhere are corrupt and cannot be trusted. This makes it hard to hunt down members of African gangs.

You have to realise that a lot of ethnic groups didn't come from places with an accountable police force and justice system. Not all cultures share our faith in the police and court system.

In the case of ultra-Orthodox Jews, they are taught that "Gentile" authorities are their enemy and cannot be trusted. Reporting a crime to "Gentile" authorities is probably seen as a betrayal of the entire community, so much so that they likely consider it worse than paedophilia.

Again, you cannot get them to co-operate by blaming, demonising and vilifying them. They will simply become even more tight-lipped. You have to earn their trust, just like the authorities did with Vietnamese and African refugees. If they think the authorities are corrupt and cannot be trusted, you need to convince them otherwise. In the case of ultra-Orthodox Jews, you have to deal with a deeply-entrenched attitude: the distrust of "Gentile" authorities.

This isn't about staying out of their affairs. It's about getting them to co-operate and the brute force approach just isn't going to work.

Mnemonic wrote on Feb 17^th, 2015 at 11:49pm:

Svengali wrote on Feb 17th, 2015 at 10:50am: In summary Mnemonic is saying pedophilia is ok in Chabads and Yeshivas and that Australia should keep its nose out of the business of Chabads and Yeshivas. No, you missed my point. I was saying that making generalisations about Jews will only make Jews think that the only reason why you're interested in paedophilia is because you're trying to stir up hatred against the Jewish people. That's what they're thinking. You are not going to get them to co-operate as long as they think you are attacking them because they're Jews. I was saying that you should stop making generalisations about Jews and start thinking about the real reasons why they aren't co-operating. Jews in fact aren't the only ethnic groups to not co-operate with authorities out of distrust of the police and the courts. The same thing happened with the Vietnamese refugees in Cabramatta in NSW when they were trying to crack down on Vietnamese gangs. The NSW police had some difficulty getting the Vietnamese refugees to give them information about gang members. The refugees didn't trust the police. They believed that all police were corrupt, likely due to their experiences of them back in South Vietnam. A lot of African refugees have the same perceptions about police and courts in general, that police everywhere are corrupt and cannot be trusted. This makes it hard to hunt down members of African gangs. You have to realise that a lot of ethnic groups didn't come from places with an accountable police force and justice system. Not all cultures share our faith in the police and court system. In the case of ultra-Orthodox Jews, they are taught that "Gentile" authorities are their enemy and cannot be trusted. Reporting a crime to "Gentile" authorities is probably seen as a betrayal of the entire community, so much so that they likely consider it worse than paedophilia. Again, you cannot get them to co-operate by blaming, demonising and vilifying them. They will simply become even more tight-lipped. You have to earn their trust, just like the authorities did with Vietnamese and African refugees. If they think the authorities are corrupt and cannot be trusted, you need to convince them otherwise. In the case of ultra-Orthodox Jews, you have to deal with a deeply-entrenched attitude: the distrust of "Gentile" authorities. This isn't about staying out of their affairs. It's about getting them to co-operate and the brute force approach just isn't going to work.

The law against pedophilia should not be bent to suit a minority which has been exposed as concealing pedophilia.

I reject the contention that Australians need to assimilate with the culture and law of an ethnic minority instead of the minority assimilating with Australian culture and law.

The leadership that enabled the pedophiles should face criminal charges.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-victims-advocate-in-Australia-alleges-coverup-of-sexual-abuse-among-ultra-orthodox-389748


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Last June, the Australian newspaper The Age reported that police were investigating several rabbis for allegedly covering up sexual abuse in community yeshivot. The newspaper reported that it had obtained recordings and testimony used in prosecuting Australian-American abuser Daniel “Gug” Hayman, which indicated that senior rabbinic figures in the Chabad community in the Sydney area knew of allegations of sexual abuse against children and did not report them to the relevant authorities.