Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 12:51am
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Title: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 12:51am |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:13pm
Wow - going down before AGW. Scary for the alarmists.
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Old Northern on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:42pm lee wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:13pm:
I don't see the chart going back beyond 1896. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:43pm Wolseley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:42pm:
No, but it IS going down in 1953.. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Old Northern on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:07pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 8:43pm:
57 years after the theory of Global Warming was first put forward. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:14pm Wolseley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:07pm:
Well around that....although the 'theory of Global Warming' didn't get much traction until about the 1970s or so... |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:32am gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:14pm:
:-? :-? ;) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:34am
- has anyone got anymore data on snow decline in the australian alps... preferably in the last decade specifically?
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 9:19am
I was talking IPCC inspired AGW which is since about 1970. The IPCC has previously said that the AGW until then was unmeasurable.
Of course now it is still unmeasurable, it is merely a whole lot of averaging with error bars wider than the 'warming'. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 5th, 2015 at 3:42am June snow cover and September sea ice extents: This graph shows sea ice and snow cover extents for the Northern Hemisphere from 1979 to 2012. The thick lines are 5-year running means. Note that the snow cover extent is for June (red) while the sea ice extent is for September (gray). Although both experienced overall declines, June snow cover decline exceeded September sea ice decline. Image adapted from Derksen and Brown 2012. source: https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/snow_extent.html |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 5th, 2015 at 5:39pm
Or another view- this time anomalies
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/02/Figure41.png Unfortunately it is too large for the page. Of late the anomaly is for the most part positive. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 5th, 2015 at 5:49pm
Another view of Spencer Creek
Notes: This graph shows the depth of snow in the middle of August & September respectively (3rd week), over the period 1954-2012. The year to year variations are very evident in this graph. They do not seem to be predictable! The linear trendline shows no noticeable change to the avarage depth during August over the decades. But the peaks seem to be getting lower! http://users.tpg.com.au/users/mpaine/snow.html#year_month |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:04am
I find it amazing lee showed that last graph with its commentary in full... :o :o
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:04am
I find it amazing lee showed that last graph with its commentary in full... :o :o ... and sourced! :D :D
lee wrote on Feb 5th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
.. can't take it back now can ya mate :D :D :) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:43am
oi,... who's guessing the september trendline actually goes up ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:46am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:04am:
... ( including typo :(, lol :) :)) ...how long did it take me to see that... is that why i kept looking at it so closely??? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :-? ::) :o :) :) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:32pm
So not as bad as you thought? ;)
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:43pm lee wrote on Feb 6th, 2015 at 2:32pm:
You don't know what you posted :D :D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 7th, 2015 at 10:19pm |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Ajax on Feb 8th, 2015 at 10:16am
Climate change has been with us since day dot, otherwise we would still be a rock of cooled lava.
Climate change has cycles, how do I know, look into our history. Climate change is controlled by the elements of nature and physics, not by mans emission of CO2. Man's emissions of CO2 are puny compared with the natural CO2 thrown into our atmosphere by the oceans and the land. CO2 doesn't control temperature here on Earth. Otherwise it would have been apparent in our history. Anthropogenic Global Warming is climate change pornography so please no more bullshit. The ice in the arctic today is about the same as it was in 1938. It comes and goes in cycles. Research the past to understand the future. http://cecaust.com.au/global_warming/Big%20Arctic%20Melt.pdf |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:17pm Ajax wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 10:16am:
Does Ajax believe in science or not :o :o :o :o ;D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Ajax on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:33pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:17pm:
So you believe in science payed by big business and that make its true. good luck in life champ. ooouuurroooo. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:52pm Ajax wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:33pm:
The IPCC is payed by who? :o |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Ajax on Feb 8th, 2015 at 1:03pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 12:52pm:
United Nations who are owned by the World Bank. Do you know who owns the World Bank? |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 8th, 2015 at 1:28pm Ajax wrote on Feb 8th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
You don't know much about whose work is in those reports do ya mate! ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 8th, 2015 at 1:35pm
How does the IPCC work?
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is a huge and yet very small organization. Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis as authors, contributors and reviewers. None of them is paid by the IPCC. The work of the IPCC is guided by a set of principles and procedures. http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization_structure.shtml ** You've got all sorts contributing including level 8s that work in government departments and took 30 to 40 years learning how to write and read scientific method/reports getting there... that aren't payed by the IPCC they just get their normal wage for their normal job! :) :) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 9th, 2015 at 10:13am
The question was who pays the IPCC.
The answer is - 'The IPCC receives funding from UNEP, WMO, and its own Trust Fund for which it solicits contributions from governments. Its secretariat is hosted by the WMO, in Geneva.' So taxpayers pay the IPCC via the UN. One tenth of the Carbon Tax was to be remitted to the UN. 'The Gillard Government is party to a UN agreement which Climate Change Minister Greg Combet entered into in December at a meeting in Cancun, Mexico, under which about 10 per cent of carbon taxes in developed nations will go into a Green Climate Fund.' https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/8916664/carbon-tax-billions-to-help-poor-nations/ The Carbon Tax was supposed to be 'revenue neutral'. However, according to The Conversation, it was not. 'The carbon price will raise $24.5 billion over its first four years but will not be revenue neutral, putting the budget $4 billion in the red, the ABC reported.' http://theconversation.com/the-carbon-tax-the-experts-respond-2254 |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 9th, 2015 at 4:11pm lee wrote on Feb 9th, 2015 at 10:13am:
Yes, but the scientists involved that actually write up and take the measurements are being accused of taking dodgy money and they aren't! They get their standard pay for their standard government job they have spent 30 years or longer working their way up the levels to get where they are! There's a fair bit of method involved in those reports and those methods change. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 9th, 2015 at 5:26pm
'Standard Government job'
Governments rule through fear- global cooling, nuclear winter, global warming. They use that fear to get elected or re-elected. Scientists are a microcosm of society; replete with the rogues that plague humanity. John Cook's 41 papers of those scientists that explicitly stated humans caused climate change not withstanding. He then added in others that intimated or mentioned cAGW to pad the number to reach 97%. 'are being accused of taking dodgy money and they aren't' I haven't seen that, but I can't be absolutely sure it doesn't happen either. I mean the Koch Bros fund a lot of pro- AGW universities. Penn State being one. So,if they aren't on the take are they incompetent? A la one, M Mann, treemometers and upside down Tiljander graphs? |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9th, 2015 at 5:38pm Wolseley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2015 at 9:07pm:
They rewrote all the geology textbooks in 1967 because of Plate tectonics |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 9th, 2015 at 5:45pm lee wrote on Feb 9th, 2015 at 5:26pm:
CRACK IS SO BORING MATE... ;D ;D I would advise you to stop smoking it... :D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:39am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 1:32am:
The proposed nuclear power plant near Perth was 1977. 1969 was the when the Jervis Bay nuclear power plant proposal. The anti-nuclear movement didn't even really kick off until 1972 (when the French were doing tests at Moruroa Atoll) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:43am gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:39am:
ok ,... so you're telling me I'm a liar ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:44am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:43am:
Misinformed perhaps... |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:45am gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:44am:
-->you responded in less than 15 seconds i would have to have said,... whoah! ...something serious going on there buddy... ::) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:47am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 10th, 2015 at 1:45am:
Nope, up late watching tv shows on the computer. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 19th, 2015 at 4:25pm |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm
According to Office of the Washington State Climatologist they only have data since 1979 for Hurricane Ridge.
http://www.climate.washington.edu/snowdepth/ |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:24pm lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 4:46pm:
The article acknowleges that fact! :D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:40pm
Actually from the link the only thing I can see is -
'The worst ever before since 1979 was 17" in 2005' Nothing to say "no data before 1979". Of course I could be wrong. So please point me to where it says there is no earlier data. |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 12:40am lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 12:40pm:
That's it--> there is the acknowledgement right there... were you expecting a newspaper article to be of scientific journal standard or something ::) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:56pm |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by lee on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 11:03am
California is in drought- what a surprise.
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 25th, 2015 at 1:47pm lee wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 11:03am:
California in drought, I bet thats never happened before ... well never happened before apart from the ten thousand other times that is :D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 25th, 2015 at 2:20pm innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
no links of course ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by innocentbystander. on Feb 25th, 2015 at 7:19pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 2:20pm:
I feel sorry for you global warming nutjobs that think weather only began 200 years ago. ;D Meanwhile on planet Earth severe Californian droughts according to the records happen two to three times a century so even if we take the last ten thousands years which is an ecological minute in time thats 250 droughts, imagine if we went back millions of years :D, of course the global warming religion believes Earth and weather was created in 1854 so they would never accept that sort of timeline ;D |
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Title: Re: It might be worth keeping an eye on this... Post by Copper-toned-stunt on Feb 25th, 2015 at 8:38pm innocentbystander. wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 7:19pm:
.. and so we go back to the rates-of-change circle party under the command of innocent-by-stander... well: bring it on buddy: I love this sort of love in- it's all about the kids after all isn't it my "pseudo-conservative" buddy isn't it?!!? :o :o |
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