For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state

While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18%

When will the libs stop lying to us?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282

But...but...but I thought that was all the bikies' doing?

Wasn't their filthy VLAD law supposed to eliminate all this?????   :P

Kat wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:

...but I thought that was all the bikies' doing?

it is ... don't you worry, Newmans taking care of it  :D :D :D :D

keep voting from your ' ward '

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

namaste

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282

Why are you so sure he's lying and you're right?

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

When will the libs stop lying to us?

http://www.whenpigsflyetc.com/images/whenpigsfly.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:36pm: For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282 Why are you so sure he's lying and you're right?

Have you read the link?

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 8:04pm: ...but I thought that was all the bikies' doing? it is ... don't you worry, Newmans taking care of it  :D :D :D :D

Those figures, taken in combination with the anti-bikie laws, would suggest otherwise, but...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:36pm: For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282 Why are you so sure he's lying and you're right?

did you read the link?  :D :D :D

Quote:

Newman lying about crime stats

Give the guy a break - he is a lib and that is what they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Arantz

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:36pm: For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282 Why are you so sure he's lying and you're right?

Same government in leadup to election on 31/01 is saying they create 1100 jobs a month...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-unemployment-rises-to-11year-high-20140807-101e52.html

Oh... shock horror.. that was AUGUST 2014!!

Aussie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 8:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 7:36pm: For about a year now, Newman has repeatedly been claiming crime rates as having fallen, during his term, by considerable rates. One of his favourite claims is that assaults and theft have dropped by 25% ... Newman is a lying sack of sheat. He's been cherry picking stats from various locals and pretending they apply across the state While some crimes have dropped, such as robberies by 1.7% and assault by 4%... not the 25% he claims, other crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18% When will the libs stop lying to us? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-09/queensland-election-2015-crime-rates-dropped-campbell-newman/6009282 Why are you so sure he's lying and you're right? Have you read the link?

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:35pm:

did you read the link?  :D :D :D

He probably did read the link but didn't click on it to read the linked article.  ;)

crimes have in fact gone up, such as extortion up 70%, Weapons offences up 36.7 per cent , drug related up 40% and Armed robbery up over 18%

Would it be safe to say that crime has escalated in Qld over the last couple of years?

I certainly hope Labor are challenging Newman on this - and not just the ABC.

Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen.

Quoting simply the crimes that have risen is just as dishonest as quoting those that have fallen.

the article didn't actually dispute the claim only saying that the question was too complex for simplistic answers.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen.

ummm I'm pretty sure thats exactly what was posted in the OP. Having actually read the OP, which apparently you haven't.  ;D

So as to the relevant issue Longy - since you have read the artlcle, has assault, robbery and car theft crime actually gone down by 25% overall as Newman claims, or is he lying through his teeth?

Do you support Newman's motor cycle gang legislation Gandalf? Or would you prefer the gangs, which over the years seem to have taken on a distinctly muslim flavour, continue to prosper with crime and violence?

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Do you support Newman's motor cycle gang legislation Gandalf? Or would you prefer the gangs, which over the years seem to have taken on a distinctly muslim flavour, continue to prosper with crime and violence?

what the f_vck is this - 'hey look over there' apologism week?

Fair dinkum  ::)

A lie is a lie bogarde, you do understand how Mr Newman lied here right? You're not trying to justify it are you?

I'm simply asking you a question about a crime- and Newman-related matter.

If you don't wish to answer, don't. This is not a fascist forum.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

I'm simply asking you a question about a crime- and Newman-related matter. If you don't wish to answer, don't. This is not a fascist forum.

Oh yes of course, just an innocent question wasn't it bogarde - with a completely innocent dig about islam - that you just happened to direct to a muslim  :P

Not that I care about that - but I'll admit your obvious attempt at deflection with your "or would you prefer..." attitude, and then crying innocence when taken to task - does rile me.

But back on topic, I don't have an opinion on the effect of Newman's law and order policies, because I haven't been following it. But I do know a lie when I see one, and I happen to believe that dishonesty in politics is something that should be exposed and the culprit be held accountable.

What is your opinion boges? Is Newman's porky pie excused on the basis that he is achieving outcomes in this area? Should we be silent and not speak out against Newman lying because of this?

How would I know whether he is cherry-picking? But John's question: "when are the libs going to stop lying to us", sets the topic up for a farce.

But I thought, as it was relevant to crime, a question on another tack would be useful. However you don't want to answer it so we'll leave it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:09pm: Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen. ummm I'm pretty sure thats exactly what was posted in the OP. Having actually read the OP, which apparently you haven't.  ;D So as to the relevant issue Longy - since you have read the artlcle, has assault, robbery and car theft crime actually gone down by 25% overall as Newman claims, or is he lying through his teeth?

he didn't say overall and there is the rub.  like most people he is using complimentary statistics.  But as lefties you should be applauding that.  That's how you come up with most of your insane positions on anything.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:09pm: Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen. ummm I'm pretty sure thats exactly what was posted in the OP. Having actually read the OP, which apparently you haven't.  ;D So as to the relevant issue Longy - since you have read the artlcle, has assault, robbery and car theft crime actually gone down by 25% overall as Newman claims, or is he lying through his teeth? he didn't say overall and there is the rub.  like most people he is using complimentary statistics.  But as lefties you should be applauding that.  That's how you come up with most of your insane positions on anything.

Come on longy, he was deliberately vague: "They have seen crime rates, things like assaults, robberies and car thefts, drop by 20 to 25 per cent." Thats obviously intended to give a misleading impression. All he had to do was add "in some areas" at the end of that statement if he wanted to be honest about it. But he didn't - he was deliberately ambiguous to misleadingly imply he was talking about the whole state.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

How would I know whether he is cherry-picking?

*FACEPALM*

gee I don't know boges, you could start by reading the freaking article like I did  ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen. Quoting simply the crimes that have risen is just as dishonest as quoting those that have fallen. the article didn't actually dispute the claim only saying that the question was too complex for simplistic answers.

so you haven't read the OP? then you'd do well to not comment until you do, you'll only make a bigger fool of yourself than usual

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:17pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:50pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:09pm: Having actually read the article - which apparently most of you ahvent - it is rather obvious that crime overall ahs dropped slightly but that some categories have risen and some have fallen. ummm I'm pretty sure thats exactly what was posted in the OP. Having actually read the OP, which apparently you haven't.  ;D So as to the relevant issue Longy - since you have read the artlcle, has assault, robbery and car theft crime actually gone down by 25% overall as Newman claims, or is he lying through his teeth? he didn't say overall and there is the rub.  like most people he is using complimentary statistics.  But as lefties you should be applauding that.  That's how you come up with most of your insane positions on anything. Come on longy, he was deliberately vague: "They have seen crime rates, things like assaults, robberies and car thefts, drop by 20 to 25 per cent." Thats obviously intended to give a misleading impression. All he had to do was add "in some areas" at the end of that statement if he wanted to be honest about it. But he didn't - he was deliberately ambiguous to misleadingly imply he was talking about the whole state.

the only thing that makes such a statement no problem to me is that you boofheads make gross misuse of statistics all the time.  I am not going to criticise Newman for making a statement that is largely (but not completely) true when you clowns openly make statements that are complete lies.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

How would I know whether he is cherry-picking? But John's question: "when are the libs going to stop lying to us", sets the topic up for a farce. But I thought, as it was relevant to crime, a question on another tack would be useful. However you don't want to answer it so we'll leave it.

Cherry Picking? then perhaps you should tell Newman not to cherry pick. He's been saying for months that serious crimes (listed previously) have fallen by 25% .. he lied. deliberately. He's a lib right? hence my thread title. Don't like it tell them to stop lying at your next branch meeting

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

but not completely

what part was not completely?  none of the crimes NEWMAN mentioned fell 25% ... they weren't even close to that figure

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:37pm: but not completely what part was not completely?  none of the crimes NEWMAN mentioned fell 25% ... they weren't even close to that figure

the way you misuse or misunderstand statistics makes you the last person to complain.

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:37pm: but not completely what part was not completely?  none of the crimes NEWMAN mentioned fell 25% ... they weren't even close to that figure the way you misuse or misunderstand statistics makes you the last person to complain.

really? at least I know what ALL means .... now stop avoiding the question what part was not completely?

John Smith wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 3:20pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:37pm: but not completely what part was not completely?  none of the crimes NEWMAN mentioned fell 25% ... they weren't even close to that figure the way you misuse or misunderstand statistics makes you the last person to complain. really? at least I know what ALL means .... now stop avoiding the question what part was not completely?

Good luck with that ... once longy starts on the personal abuse it's a sure sign he's not going to answer the question.