So

talking about the way we have ignored some huge natural resources..  here on this continent. !!
What is even better about them is that they are  imports !! 
Why is this I wonder.??


Because they don't get dug of the ground... by big business?  So govt can make big bikkies..?
OK  I am talking CAMELS  .. primarily.. but also there is no reason to ignore feral pigs and Buffalo

I have raised this opportunity before on this forum some time ago... 

WE MUST utilise heretofore ( :)) unacknowlegded resources...  not the stuff of the earth but the cream/// 

Saw an interesting show about camel milk,  and its benefits.. not to mention the Camel Cult in Arabia...  WHY the F? aren't we benefiting from this rich trade.. whilst controlling feral creatures on the land.

The program covered  a bit of interesting information..  about the benefits of Camels milk...   

worth $$ per ltre .. 
not to mention the value of our disease free wild stock.. the best camels in the world.
(DO you Know why we have camels..??) 


and the spokesperson pointed out ,  quite correctly imo.. the stupidity of the Aus govt for failing to recognise these major benefits.

TOTALLY AGREE  .. it was on 7 Sunday night.. 

I always wondered how it was possible for the Bedouin and related tribes to survive as they did in such harsh conditions, in the deserts of the Middle East.  Always always wondered how it was possible..

I think it may have been Lawrence of Arabia..  both the man and the movie..in that order, -  that first made me wonder ...

Now it becomes clear..  or clearer..  at least.  No amount of trade could really explain it.. 

Im  pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?

There may be a few more things involved there Emma.

The population density in 'surviving in a desert' might be different to the economics of 'producing camel milk.'

But if the experts have it wrong, you are entirely free to buy camels, graze and milk them.

spare me sprinter..that is so simplistic a reply.. 

Ian..??  the scale is the issue. Making the most of these pests is the point. Obviously we do not do anything LIKE we could, in the way of economic inflows. Is that clear?
We MUST do more, rather than cull them.  Watch the program... it was very interesting.





Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

There may be a few more things involved there Emma. The population density in 'surviving in a desert' might be different to the economics of 'producing camel milk.'But if the experts have it wrong, you are entirely free to buy camels, graze and milk them.

Gawd talk about misdirection...  I suggested that camels milk may well be very worthy of our consideration on economic and export basis, and you talk about pops living in a desert.?   WE DONT YET 
entirely live in desert...  because we all live on the coastal fringe .. mostly/ so  what about it.??  TOO HARD??  for a city/surfer/ocean guy?? 

LOOK at it before you pan it Sprinter.

ian wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Im  pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue?

You are pretty sure that..? 

Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject.. 

I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources.

Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.

Emma wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

ian wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:13pm: Im  pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue? You are pretty sure that..?  Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject..  I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources. Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.

Camels have been milked for many a year. Why camel milk is not a commercial thing other than a boutique business is due to yield.

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live.
I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business.

As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig.

You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you.

There are easier ways to make money.

At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .

Not talking about Camel MEAT., :-?  Miketrees. ?

A dairy does not produce MEAT.( not primarily)
Huh?

No  I'm not talking about camel MEAT.  MEAT = DEAD.

Camel MILK  =  sustainable on-going yield.


Do YOU UNDERSTAND.??

Emma wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . Not talking about Camel MEAT., :-?  Miketrees. ? A dairy does not produce MEAT.( not primarily) Huh? No  I'm not talking about camel MEAT.  MEAT = DEAD. Camel MILK  =  sustainable on-going yield. Do YOU UNDERSTAND.??

Harvest catch or kill (animals) for human consumption.

miketrees wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile .

I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna!

I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences.

Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem.

Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback. 

Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-)

Datalife wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences. Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem. Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.  Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-)

Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:56pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences. Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem. Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.  Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-) Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.

Datalife wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:01am:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences. Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem. Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.  Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-) Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty! Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat.

Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:01am: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences. Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem. Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.  Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-) Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty! Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat. Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast!

Yet my point still stands and you have no counter apart from an idiotic riposte.  I think an operation that makes the camel extinct and benefits aboriginal communities who have limited commercial oppurtunity is a win win. 

Meanwhile your can chew on tampax for breakfast cos if you ain't part of a solution it is all you are good for.  Bozo.  8-)

Datalife wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:18am: Datalife wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:01am: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:56pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Datalife wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 11:12pm: miketrees wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 10:23pm: There is a camel dairy only about 5km away from where I live. I had a chat with the owner and he is very upbeat about his product, I think he is only surviving by having a tourist operation in tandem with the dairy side of the business. As far as harvesting wild camels goes its a hard gig. You have to go to remote places with no infrastructure, sort out the logistics and pray some drongo greenee does not start a save the camel campaign against you. There are easier ways to make money. At this point of time, beef, pork and lamb are just too cheap to make camel meat  worthwhile . I've never see a Greenie stand and watch camels die of thirst, they instead stay with the aircon on and saying its the natural selection process at work, and tough titty too many camels destroy the watering place for so many other fauna! I would prefer a greenie shoot the camel as a feral species. If there is a demand for the meat or for breeding that can be done within fences. Having said that I have had a think.  If there is no value in a wild unfenced camel no one will hunt them and they will be uncontrolled unless govt decides to kill them all, which of course will cost the tax payer.  Meanwhile there are business which use camels.  Nothing is ever easy and if you have an easy solution you probably don't understand the problem. Seems to me a partnership with aboriginals tracking and hunting and some scale of subsidy that means that every camel is worth a motza, if we can drive rhinos and elephants into extinction, then the same can be done for camels in the outback.  Not like the aboriginals, custodians of the land and all that,  have not driven other large species into extinction.  8-) Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty! Not picking on aboriginals bozo, identifying one of the few commercial enterprises that they can engage in that actually pays money and is not sucking at the tax payers teat. Change your reused Tampax before writing to me sunshine, or I'll eat you for breakfast! Yet my point still stands and you have no counter apart from an idiotic riposte.  I think an operation that makes the camel extinct and benefits aboriginal communities who have limited commercial oppurtunity is a win win.  Meanwhile your can chew on tampax for breakfast cos if you ain't part of a solution it is all you are good for.  Bozo.  8-)

Why pick on the aboriginals, any sixteen year old camped near the water trough, and armed with a rifle is on a winner if there was a bounty!

Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals!

I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:40am:

Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals! I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised!

All good, if 16 year olds have enough gumption to go out and earn a living out in the communities ( Google natural advantage dickhead) shooting camels all power to them.  The community will still benefit. 

As for the rest of your post I will let it stand in testimony to your debating strengths.  Bozo.   :D :D

Datalife wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:52am:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:40am: Some may have thought the possibility of making some money may extend past aboriginals! I can understand having syphilis drip down your leg all day might not be fun, unfortunately syphilis also affects the brain so help is advised as soon as possible is advised! All good, if 16 year olds have enough gumption to go out and earn a living out in the communities ( Google natural advantage dickhead) shooting camels all power to them.  The community will still benefit.  As for the rest of your post I will let it stand in testimony to your debating strengths.  Bozo.   :D :D

Surely the smell of your syphilitic drip must be sending you a message, but no the brain damage is done!

Camel dairy has a very limited demand, and will make very little use of the feral population.
Camels have to be domesticated and trained to give milk.

Yes trained they will give you nothing unless trained.

From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same.

Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment.

One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.

Emma wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

ian wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:13pm: Im  pretty sure we export camels and water buffalos so whats the issue? You are pretty sure that..?  Well it would be interesting to hear from someone who has some knowledge of the subject..  I am commenting on what appears to be WASTE of resources. Hmmm I suspect they don't post on this forum.

OK, then try this link.
http://www.australian-information-stories.com/camels-in-australia.html

"Australian Camels are now exported live to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and other countries where disease free Camels are considered a delicacy.

Australian Camels are also exported to Arab Camel racing stables as breeding stock.

The United States also impots them to use in tourist venues.

There are over 40 Farms providing rides and Safari Treks operating in Australia now.

Australia is home to the only wild herds of Dromedary Camels in the world"

- See more at: http://www.australian-information-stories.com/camels-in-australia.html#sthash.jjk2ASJj.dpuf

As for the Buffalo:
"During the 1950s, buffalo were hunted for their skins and meat, which was exported and used in the local trade. In the late 1970s, live exports were made to Cuba and continued later into other countries. Buffalo are now crossed with riverine buffalo in artificial breeding (AI) programs, and may be found in many areas of Australia. Some of these crossbreds are used for milk production. Melville Island is a popular hunting location, where a steady population of up to 4,000 individuals exist. Safari outfits are run out of Darwin to Melville Island and other locations in the Top End, often with the use of bush pilots. The horns, which can measure up to a record of 3.1 m (10 ft) tip-to-tip, are prized hunting trophies.[30]

The buffalo have developed a different appearance from the Indonesian buffalo from which they descend.[citation needed] They live mainly in freshwater marshes and billabongs, and their territory range can be quite expansive during the wet season. Their only natural predators in Australia are large adult saltwater crocodiles, with whom they share the billabongs, and dingoes, which have been known to prey on buffalo calves and occasionally adult buffalos when the dingoes are in large packs.[citation needed]

Buffalos were exported live to Indonesia until 2011, at a rate of about 3000 per year. After the live export ban that year, the exports dropped to zero, and had not resumed as of June 2013.[31]"

If you want to blame someone for the ban on buffalo export...see the Greens/Animal rights activists....

Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).

And your point??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm: Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA). And your point??

Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).

well it seems this (CACIA) is failing bigtime to take advantage of what is elsewhere, and could become here in Australia a very lucrative business...  for several reasons..
it seems from anecdotal information that there are very BIG health benefits to do with consuming Camel MILK.

For many members of our society. The current price internationally is to do with supply and demand.  Get it..?

Anyone with a bit of nouse and entrepreneurial drive,  and the money and time,  could create an on-going hugely profitable industry out of this.  Why not??  we breed and milk cows, goats, sheep, ..  why NOT..?  when their output has so much VALUE.??

culling Camels for meat is a waste..

and lets get back on track... the benefits of such an industry here are multitude.

Got the brains?? work it out. 

I am just sorry I'm too old and poor to take it up as an enterprise.  :)

Emma wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 11:25pm:

well it seems this (CACIA) is failing bigtime to take advantage of what is elsewhere, and could become here in Australia a very lucrative business...  for several reasons.. it seems from anecdotal information that there are very BIG health benefits to do with consuming Camel MILK. For many members of our society. The current price internationally is to do with supply and demand.  Get it..? Anyone with a bit of nouse and entrepreneurial drive,  and the money and time,  could create an on-going hugely profitable industry out of this.  Why not??  we breed and milk cows, goats, sheep, ..  why NOT..?  when their output has so much VALUE.?? culling Camels for meat is a waste.. and lets get back on track... the benefits of such an industry here are multitude. Got the brains?? work it out.  I am just sorry I'm too old and poor to take it up as an enterprise.  :)

International price for camel milk.

Healthy Camel Milk Powder (low fat)/spray dried skimmed milk powder US $1 - 1,000 / Kilogram

Hardly $25 

lee wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same. Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment. One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.

lee wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same. Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment. One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.

   

That wasn't me .. that was Lee  see quote above.

What happened then? 

X purpose..?
I think this has so much potential as a 'good' business .. I find the basic negativity of most responders saddening.

What?  It might be HARD.? 

Jeezus .. spare me from the 'entitled to an easy life' crew.

YOU want it given to you on a platter.??   

WORK  will get you, hopefully.. , to a better place. AND.. the plusses in this idea are limitless. 


The chinese will buy all our camels  ...  :) :) :) :D

Emma wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 12:34am:

lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 10:32am: From what I read in our paper yesterday, they give very little milk, compared to dairy cows, which is why the milk is expensive. The costs would be about the same. Then of course at that price, $25per litre, you have to have a dedicated market. The size of your market has to determine the size of your investment. One camel for a Bedouin family to milk is ok. They generally don't have refrigeration, Weetbix etc. So their consumption would generally be much less than Western society.     That wasn't me .. that was Lee  see quote above.

Yes we kind of guessed that by the words "lee wrote Yesterday at 10:32am:"

However why you posted it remains without explanation!

Emma wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 12:41am:

What happened then?  X purpose..? I think this has so much potential as a 'good' business .. I find the basic negativity of most responders saddening. What?  It might be HARD.?  Jeezus .. spare me from the 'entitled to an easy life' crew. YOU want it given to you on a platter.??    WORK  will get you, hopefully.. , to a better place. AND.. the plusses in this idea are limitless.  The chinese will buy all our camels  ...  :) :) :) :D

Yes the Chinese building boom to house them is now completed!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm: Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA). And your point??

And your point Daswhatever??

Was ??  Try harder.

Emma wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 1:00am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 7:33pm: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:26pm: Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA). And your point?? And your point Daswhatever?? Was ??  Try harder.

Central Australian Camel Industry Association Inc (CACIA).

FAIL

Who are you getting cranky with EP?

If consumers want the milk and will pay for it some one will produce it.

I myself don't want camel milk.

Perhaps kangaroo milk, pre shaken is more my style.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 12:24am:

Hardly $25

"Our market price is $25 a litre and that's consistent around the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-09/queensland-camel-dairy-milking-an-untapped-natural-resource/5877202

lee wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:24am: Hardly $25  "Our market price is $25 a litre and that's consistent around the world." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-09/queensland-camel-dairy-milking-an-untapped-natural-resource/5877202

$9.00 litre India, similar Pakistan! Internet orders!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

$9.00 litre India, similar Pakistan! Internet orders!

You don't say whether that is for milk powder, or fresh milk.

Yesterday you were quoting prices for powdered milk.

1kg of powder makes about 7 litres of milk. Powder is lighter, takes less room and doesn't require refrigeration; although there is the manufacture cost of powder from the raw product.

Even then if you are quoting fresh milk, delivery has to be factored into price. That is if they deliver fresh to Australia.

Australian prices have to factor in the higher wages and other costs of Australia over India.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 10:25am: DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:24am: Hardly $25  "Our market price is $25 a litre and that's consistent around the world." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-09/queensland-camel-dairy-milking-an-untapped-natural-resource/5877202 $9.00 litre India, similar Pakistan! Internet orders!

Perhaps we should show some cultural sensitivity to muslims and start selling Camel urine which muslims drink,it's not cheap.

click on images,lmao-
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=camel+urine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7JaB9pqew

lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 11:07am: $9.00 litre India, similar Pakistan! Internet orders! You don't say whether that is for milk powder, or fresh milk. Yesterday you were quoting prices for powdered milk. 1kg of powder makes about 7 litres of milk. Powder is lighter, takes less room and doesn't require refrigeration; although there is the manufacture cost of powder from the raw product. Even then if you are quoting fresh milk, delivery has to be factored into price. That is if they deliver fresh to Australia. Australian prices have to factor in the higher wages and other costs of Australia over India.

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DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Alpha Nutrico Australian Full Cream UHT Milk 1 litre.

Unfortunately that is cow's  milk. Although I did find UHT camel milk from Belgium and Kenya at Eu10 or US$10 FOB.

lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 3:37pm: Alpha Nutrico Australian Full Cream UHT Milk 1 litre. Unfortunately that is cow's  milk. Although I did find UHT camel milk from Belgium and Kenya at Eu10 or US$10 FOB.

CAMEL MILK POWDER AND COW MILK POWDER FOR SALE,



Certification: Fda,Gap,Haccp,Halal

Packaging: Bottles,Box,Bulk,Sachet

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Product Type: Milk Powder

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Product Type: Milk Powder

Yes, I understand that. The Queensland story was about fresh milk, not powdered.

Your most recent post is about powdered. Powdered milk is cheaper than fresh milk.

That is why I was asking the questions. Just to confirm whether we were talking about the same products or related products.

lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 12th, 2014 at 4:21pm: Product Type: Milk Powder Yes, I understand that. The Queensland story was about fresh milk, not powdered. Your most recent post is about powdered. Powdered milk is cheaper than fresh milk. That is why I was asking the questions. Just to confirm whether we were talking about the same products or related products.

Milk powder has a price advertised, Liquid milk is not priced without an request for. 

Camels milk not curdle making it ideal for sun drying!

Energy Drink! Its what makes Camels go!

So to continue the theme.

What about the approval of the giant Indian backed coal plan which will decimate the Great Barrier Reef.?

Why is it so worthy that so much money has been spent on propaganda lying about how both the QLD and Australian govts CARE for the reef.?

What about the deaths of innocents in our Govt run detention camps?

What about govt programs which incarcerate and torture our original peoples.?

THINK ABOUT IT.
The above are just a few of the actions which impinge this Abbott government and show it  as the most harmful government Australia has ever had.

which is why I have put up the POLL

what DO YOU REALLY THINK.?

Emma wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

which is why I have put up the POLL what DO YOU REALLY THINK.?

I really think it is a poll that shows unbridled self loathing.

Why do you want to sue yourself for ?

I think you have misunderstood ..your usual response