About time!

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/amended-protest-law-passes-tas-upper-house/story-fni0xqi3-1227115248651

They have a right to protest, but not to stop innocent people going about their jobs.

Oppose and defy!

These filthy 'laws' are just  plain wrong.

I have no time for either their proponents or their supporters.

Time for the far-right to go - permanently.

How can we have a revolution when we're not allowed to protest?

Now that's something worth protesting about.

Will the public have ANY rights left by the time these neo conservative fascists are exterminated?

It's just not democracy!

Bring it on!!!!

BOTR

Our foreparents had similar laws to contend with and they simply just defied them. Time to do the same. Thing is once we ignore the law once the easier it gets until the law starts to look decidedly like and ass. 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:06am:

They have a right to protest, but not to stop innocent people going about their jobs.

Ja, Mein Fuhrer, ve vill giff zose Chews der KrystalNacht!

You're always good for a laugh.... I see you is an eddicated man wif a sound intellect...

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/amended-protest-law-passes-tas-upper-house/story-fni0xqi3-1227115248651

I'd be interested to know what constitutes a 'radical protestor' as opposed to an ordinary one.  Without a clear definition it seems to me this piece of legislation is wide open to abuse, and any serious violent etc protestor or other person behaving in the same way was already open to sanction of the Law.

I'd have to say this piece of legislation, like so very many other 'social engineering' pieces of legislation, has fallen at the first hurdle - the hurdle of necessity.

I long ago cited that such things as 'domestic violence' legislation could not be Law due to its inherent discriminality (sic - intentional criminal or culpable discrimination), and on the simple basis that any genuine act of violence was already covered by Law as it stood, and thus this legislation was an abrogation of rights and could not therefore become Law (as indeed it is not - see Grappler University School of Politics and Law dissertation on Law, law, legislation and regulation) - AND such a piece of legislation could and would be used as an avenue for direct violence by the State itself against any chosen demographic, and would lead, not to any diminution in violence overall, but the development instead of a society entirely based on violence as shown by the clear example of the State itself.

History so far has absolved me on every one of those issues...... issues it cost me dearly to place before the Law Reform commission in 1992 as one of two dissenting views.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

Our foreparents had similar laws to contend with and they simply just defied them. Time to do the same. Thing is once we ignore the law once the easier it gets until the law starts to look decidedly like and ass.

Of course, unless we want to end up at their mercy.

People power will ultimately win, it's getting to the point where they are pushing us to rebel.....just seeing how far they can go.

We must step up and put them back in their place or we will be slaves of the system, if we're already not.

We must NEVER relinquish our rights to free speech, never, ever.

Government trying to defy the laws of physics? Braindead idiots.  ;D

The more you dam up water, the bigger the force when the dam breaks.
The more you oppress people, the more forceful will be the revolution.  ::)

I wonder how the government passes laws with 10,000 people obstructing the entrance to the chambers of Parliament.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

How can we have a revolution when we're not allowed to protest? Now that's something worth protesting about. Will the public have ANY rights left by the time these neo conservative fascists are exterminated? It's just not democracy! Bring it on!!!! BOTR

Protests and revolutions are different things Pansi.
You can still protest, but you'll just have to stand back and wave placards and chant, instead of chaining yourself to the gates or making a human chain.

I agree protestors should not be able to stop people going about their work.....However this is why we have police to move people along who are causing a nuisance or preventing others from going about their lawful business.....These laws are very broad and have the prospect of being abused to prevent free speech and accountability of the executive Government....Once you allow these laws it is hard to take them back....Any attack of freedom is an attack on our democracy and should be opposed IMO!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

I agree protestors should not be able to stop people going about their work.....However this is why we have police to move people along who are causing a nuisance or preventing others from going about their lawful business.....These laws are very broad and have the prospect of being abused to prevent free speech and accountability of the executive Government....Once you allow these laws it is hard to take them back....Any attack of freedom is an attack on our democracy and should be opposed IMO!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

The move-along laws really aren't that broad, or useful in protest situations....they're designed more for moving drunks away from the door of a pub/club.

Arresting or fining (about $500) a protester from a large, well funded group isn't really going to stop the other idiots from stuffing up the poor workers trying to earn a living.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 11:24am: I agree protestors should not be able to stop people going about their work.....However this is why we have police to move people along who are causing a nuisance or preventing others from going about their lawful business.....These laws are very broad and have the prospect of being abused to prevent free speech and accountability of the executive Government....Once you allow these laws it is hard to take them back....Any attack of freedom is an attack on our democracy and should be opposed IMO!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The move-along laws really aren't that broad, or useful in protest situations....they're designed more for moving drunks away from the door of a pub/club. Arresting or fining (about $500) a protester from a large, well funded group isn't really going to stop the other idiots from stuffing up the poor workers trying to earn a living.

Civil right marches in the US during the 60's where denied permits to peacefully protest by local authorities who then declared the marched illegitimate and sent out police to smash the protestors.....What is stopping any Government from doing the same thing to prevent the public's right to protest anything that they consider against the public interest....Big business will ride rough shot over the individual freedom of citizens to peacefully protest....The law is an abuse of democracy and should be rejected by all Australian's who respect freedom!!!

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

How can we have a revolution when we're not allowed to protest? Now that's something worth protesting about. Will the public have ANY rights left by the time these neo conservative fascists are exterminated? It's just not democracy! Bring it on!!!! BOTR

Where does it say you can't protest? Of course you can. You just can't chain yourselves to machinery or block roads, etc. Workers have the right to do their jobs safely, just as you have the right to protest. This is a fair balance, short of banning protests altogether.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 11:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 11:24am: I agree protestors should not be able to stop people going about their work.....However this is why we have police to move people along who are causing a nuisance or preventing others from going about their lawful business.....These laws are very broad and have the prospect of being abused to prevent free speech and accountability of the executive Government....Once you allow these laws it is hard to take them back....Any attack of freedom is an attack on our democracy and should be opposed IMO!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The move-along laws really aren't that broad, or useful in protest situations....they're designed more for moving drunks away from the door of a pub/club. Arresting or fining (about $500) a protester from a large, well funded group isn't really going to stop the other idiots from stuffing up the poor workers trying to earn a living. Civil right marches in the US during the 60's where denied permits to peacefully protest by local authorities who then declared the marched illegitimate and sent out police to smash the protestors.....What is stopping any Government from doing the same thing to prevent the public's right to protest anything that they consider against the public interest....Big business will ride rough shot over the individual freedom of citizens to peacefully protest....The law is an abuse of democracy and should be rejected by all Australian's who respect freedom!!! >:( >:( >:(

No mention of the rights of workers to go about their jobs safely and without being harassed, so they can put food on their family's tables...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 8:45am: How can we have a revolution when we're not allowed to protest? Now that's something worth protesting about. Will the public have ANY rights left by the time these neo conservative fascists are exterminated? It's just not democracy! Bring it on!!!! BOTR Where does it say you can't protest? Of course you can. You just can't chain yourselves to machinery or block roads, etc. Workers have the right to do their jobs safely, just as you have the right to protest. This is a fair balance, short of banning protests altogether.

You require a permit to organise a protest....Once that permit is rejected the public will suffer severe penalties for any breaches.....The Franklin Dam project, Gunn's paper Mill and other controversial projects are classic examples where these laws would have prevented opposition and given big business the right to prevent the public protesting.....If people chain themselves to machinery they can already be arrested, what this law does is prevent peaceful protest where the only laws broken is the publics right to excise their democratic rights!!!

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 11:24am: I agree protestors should not be able to stop people going about their work.....However this is why we have police to move people along who are causing a nuisance or preventing others from going about their lawful business.....These laws are very broad and have the prospect of being abused to prevent free speech and accountability of the executive Government....Once you allow these laws it is hard to take them back....Any attack of freedom is an attack on our democracy and should be opposed IMO!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] The move-along laws really aren't that broad, or useful in protest situations....they're designed more for moving drunks away from the door of a pub/club. Arresting or fining (about $500) a protester from a large, well funded group isn't really going to stop the other idiots from stuffing up the poor workers trying to earn a living.

I'm always for peaceful protests. I've participated in a lot over the years and not once can I remember any violence. Violent protests defeat the purpose and give genuine activists a bad name.