The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist', as though the objections are based on colour instead of culture.

It has its parallel in made-up weasel-words like 'Islamophobia' and 'homophobia' (a morbid and irrational fear of ... )

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Ripping her niqab off was motivated by pro-assimilist, anti-alienist objection to her benifitting off what Britain provides her while she pretends her blessings are due to the Islamic religion and culture.

I can understand how the blatant public hypocrisy can annoy someone enough to rip away her delusional pretensions.

99% of her blessings are the result of western civilisation, law, culture, secularism, industry, etc etc ... and it's time some of these complacent immigrant flag-wavers for Islam were told the blunt truth in no uncertain terms.

I can't support anyone forcibly ripping off someones clothing uninvited. 

Still, calling for jail seems a bit over the top.  He got 250 hours community service, that seems appropraite.

It works both ways - most of the anti multicultural statements do not relate to multicultural either. A number of the articles produced complain about a number of unrelated issues and then go on to say that the real guts of multiculturalism they agree with. Much of the anti multicultural argument we see goes on to target Muslims.

Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all.

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:32am:

I can't support anyone forcibly ripping off someones clothing uninvited.  Still, calling for jail seems a bit over the top.  He got 250 hours community service, that seems appropraite.

I don't agree with what he did, but I sure understand how he felt.

He went at her like a bull to a red rag.  8-)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

It works both ways - most of the anti multicultural statements do not relate to multicultural either. A number of the articles produced complain about a number of unrelated issues and then go on to say that the real guts of multiculturalism they agree with. Much of the anti multicultural argument we see goes on to target Muslims. Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all.

Heeeere we go again. The politically correct Neutralisation Brigade who arrive like a blood-clod to stop the free flow of commonsense on the subject.

I have never read criticism of Muslims being based on anything other than culture.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

It works both ways - most of the anti multicultural statements do not relate to multicultural either. A number of the articles produced complain about a number of unrelated issues and then go on to say that the real guts of multiculturalism they agree with. Much of the anti multicultural argument we see goes on to target Muslims. Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all.

Ripping off a strangers clothing is assault.

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

So you are saying that it is not their race you hate it is their culture - to the people concerned is there really any difference.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:42am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:36am: It works both ways - most of the anti multicultural statements do not relate to multicultural either. A number of the articles produced complain about a number of unrelated issues and then go on to say that the real guts of multiculturalism they agree with. Much of the anti multicultural argument we see goes on to target Muslims. Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all. Ripping off a strangers clothing is assault. Yes it is I was going to say that myself. Are you saying that the title and OP comments missed the mark again ? Should you have not targeted the original error ? Clearly I was responding to the title and first part of the OP and not the story in the link.

I agree, we should start by sending any old half brit, half chinese person back to wherevere it is they came from

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

A rose, by any other name...

Ripping off a strangers clothing is assault.

Unless it's by mutual consent . . .and then it's having the hots for each other.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:24am:

The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist', as though the objections are based on colour instead of culture. It has its parallel in made-up weasel-words like 'Islamophobia' and 'homophobia' (a morbid and irrational fear of ... ) link Ripping her niqab off was motivated by pro-assimilist, anti-alienist objection to her benifitting off what Britain provides her while she pretends her blessings are due to the Islamic religion and culture. I can understand how the blatant public hypocrisy can annoy someone enough to rip away her delusional pretensions. 99% of her blessings are the result of western civilisation, law, culture, secularism, industry, etc etc ... and it's time some of these complacent immigrant flag-wavers for Islam were told the blunt truth in no uncertain terms.

Princess Herbert waves its wand and black becomes white.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:02am:

Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. So you are saying that it is not their race you hate it is their culture - to the people concerned is there really any difference.

Of course there is, but they pretend there isn't so they can play the Race card.

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. A rose, by any other name...

20 million australians all shrug with their individual opinions on the matter...  ;)

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:24am: The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist', as though the objections are based on colour instead of culture. It has its parallel in made-up weasel-words like 'Islamophobia' and 'homophobia' (a morbid and irrational fear of ... ) link Ripping her niqab off was motivated by pro-assimilist, anti-alienist objection to her benifitting off what Britain provides her while she pretends her blessings are due to the Islamic religion and culture. I can understand how the blatant public hypocrisy can annoy someone enough to rip away her delusional pretensions. 99% of her blessings are the result of western civilisation, law, culture, secularism, industry, etc etc ... and it's time some of these complacent immigrant flag-wavers for Islam were told the blunt truth in no uncertain terms. Princess Herbert waves its wand and black becomes white.

Thank goodness!  Herbie hates black.

Ironically, though, he's sees the world in black & white.


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Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:02am: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. So you are saying that it is not their race you hate it is their culture - to the people concerned is there really any difference. Of course there is, but they pretend there isn't so they can play the Race card.

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truly, i don't know what this image means or why i posted it..  ;D ;D

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Princess Herbert waves its wand and black becomes white.

That's pretty much what Michael Jackson did, and then when he died, the world's blacks went into mourning for one of their own ~ even though he had spent most of his life - and his money - trying hard not to be one of their own.

Princess Herbert's objective.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:24am:

The Left anti-Alienism

I think that's usually referred to as "Xenophobia", Herbie.    ::)   

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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:24am: The Left anti-Alienism I think that's usually referred to as "Xenophobia", Herbie.    ::)

Not at all.

Xenophobia means a 'morbid and irrational fear of strangers'.

Herbie likes to use dictionaries to hide his unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Herbie likes to use dictionaries to hide his unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Princess Herbert prefers encyclopaedia because they are pictorial.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Princess Herbert's objective. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0b51e676d3223dfbd776fdc5fb2e6901a569c729/c=44-0-576-400&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/WBIR/None/2014/10/29/635502001822110008-halloween-display.jpg

Is that Black Africans hanging Black Africans?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 2:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 2:01pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:24am: The Left anti-Alienism I think that's usually referred to as "Xenophobia", Herbie.    ::)    Not at all. Xenophobia means a 'morbid and irrational fear of strangers'.

Which is what you continually display, Herbie.   ::)

I am not opposed to multiculturalism’s inclusiveness. I am glad we have Asians, Filipinos, Pacific Islanders, South Americans, and any other group who would like to contribute to this Australian Commonwealth as long as Australia is their ultimate allegiance. It’s the boffins who created multiculturalism, and their pathetic belief that a better society can be engineered by quotas that give me a royal pain in the arse.

Right from the gitgo multiculturalism was an academic interpretation of the cosmopolitan society, something that takes a long time to develop. But no, they believed all you had to do was change the law of the land and everything would be hunky-dory. And of course there is no racism outside of European and Western societies. Change Australian law and everyone will love us. Just look at how well the Paks and Indians get along. Africa is a land of tribal harmony and the seventy tribes of New Guinea are just overflowing with brotherly love.

So having gained the public moral high ground by offering our own nation up for the experiment, the boffins of multiculturalism are free to dub all criticism Racist, and any other concern must be irrational.

Oh, I have a phobia all right. It’s one of sanctimonious do-gooders who believe they cannot possibly be wrong simply, and I do mean simply, because their beliefs are based on a deluded sense of compassion.

Anti-multiculturalism beginnings:

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Anti-multiculturalism beginnings: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G1d6nVVkuUQ/TTe9u_VcfhI/AAAAAAAAA84/LTUH6WG-ixo/s1600/The+First+Australians+in+chains+in+their+Homeland.jpg

I see the problem was the culture, I should have worked that out. It seems to have stopped the cultural exchange in its tracks.

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:52pm:

Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white.

Considering the fact that many (most?) people who have issues with blacks also seem
to have issues with those with red or yellow skins as well, you may be pretty close to
the mark there.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Anti-multiculturalism beginnings: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G1d6nVVkuUQ/TTe9u_VcfhI/AAAAAAAAA84/LTUH6WG-ixo/s1600/The+First+Australians+in+chains+in+their+Homeland.jpg

Correct!

Rather than being culturally tolerant towards the local natives' cultural habit of thieving the livestock of rural settlers who were battling to survive the harsh and primitive conditions of Early Settlement, the government chose to impress upon them that this thieving could not continue as a viable option to hunting for their own dinner.

Several convict settlers had already being executed for pilfering from the government stores.

Certain multicultural practices were not going to be tolerated by the New Settlers. 

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:52pm:

Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white.

What is the point of me having a conversation with someone who is just too dumb, or too ignorant, or too ideologically compromised?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white. What is the point of me having a conversation with someone who is just too dumb, or too ignorant, or too ideologically compromised?

Princess Herbert and its ilk have been brutally expounding anti-multiculturalism since Australia was settled by closet poms. Killing people with weapons has been replaced by abuse and intimidation.

From Wikipedia

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Australia[edit] Buckland Valley (1857) - Buckland Riot Burrangong (1860–1861) - Lambing Flat riots Broome (1905,1914,1920) - Broome riots Anti-Greek riots Kalgoolie in Perth in 1915 and in Kalgoorlie in 1916 Redfern (2004) - Redfern riots Palm Island (2004) - Palm Island death in custody riot Sydney (2005) - 2005 Cronulla riots 1834 - Race riots against Lascars (Portuguese creole stokers) - Perth 1840s (early) - Riot against American Whalers - Albany 1850 - Assaults against Chinese - Fremantle 1905-10? - Race riots Anti-Italian riots - Gwalia and Leonora 1915 - Race riots - anti-German riot - Fremantle 1917 - Race riots - anti-Greek - Perth (William Street) 1919 - Race riots - anti-Slav riot - Fremantle 1920 - Broome Race Riots of 1920 - Japanese vs Malay and returned servicemen - Broome 1934 - Anti-Italian/Slav riot - Kalgoorlie *

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white. What is the point of me having a conversation with someone who is just too dumb, or too ignorant, or too ideologically compromised?

Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness, Herbie.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white. What is the point of me having a conversation with someone who is just too dumb, or too ignorant, or too ideologically compromised?

Do you know what a conversation is do ya mate?

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:32am:

I can't support anyone forcibly ripping off someones clothing uninvited.  Still, calling for jail seems a bit over the top.  He got 250 hours community service, that seems appropraite.

I'm Scot, Irish, German, Norwegian descent and my wife English/Irish; just to save any misconceptions.

If it was MY wife on the receiving end, I'd be the one facing the Beak, as there wouldn't be enough of the scum left to put in Jail.

>:(

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. It's a bit like saying you don't hate them because they are black it's just because they are not white. Considering the fact that many (most?) people who have issues with blacks also seem to have issues with those with red or yellow skins as well, you may be pretty close to the mark there.

They must be different shades of culture, nothing to do with race.

I perceive that immigrants might object to being introduced to closet pom culture such as this. Even poms think that closet poms might have devolved too far after kangaroos were declared a protected species.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/woman-charged-having-sex-dog-4540581#rlabs=1


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A WOMAN has been charged with bestiality after police discovered videos on her mobile phone which allegedly show her having sex with a dog. Jenna Louise Driscoll was originally being investigated for drug trafficking when officers searched her phone and reportedly discovered a number of shocking videos. Driscoll, 25, is alleged to have appeared in three videos saved on her mobile phone that reportedly show her having sex with a dog. The bleached blonde, from Brisbane, Australia, appeared at Brisbane Magistrate's Court on Wednesday but was granted bail and returned to her home along with an unidentified man. Mark Townend, CEO of RSPCA Queensland, said: "This isn’t something you’d normally expect, it’s quite unusual. The last case I can recall was a few years ago, it certainly isn’t something we hear reported often.

You've got the "progressives" fired up here, Herbert.

The hilarious thing about "progressives" supporting multiculturalism is that they're often supporting the right for very conservative cultures to engage in practices and morals that they would normally be dead-set against.

In fact, the only culture that "progressives" can thrive in are the Western cultures; the very cultures they spent 99.9% of their time criticizing. This is why "progressives" are only ever found in Western cultures; because it's the only culture that tolerates their idiocy. Now that's real tolerance.

Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community.

We don't have to imagine it.

We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse.

And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing
ideological war against everything which made this country great.

Kat wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 12:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great.

Rubbish. You've got no idea.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09am:

Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Rubbish. You've got no idea.

Kulcha Worrier is a sad victim of total displacement of brain matter by dogma. Kulcha Worrier is loyal disciple of Princess Herbert and his hate campaign.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 2:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:09am: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Rubbish. You've got no idea. Kulcha Worrier is a sad victim of total displacement of brain matter by dogma. Kulcha Worrier is loyal disciple of Princess Herbert and his hate campaign.

My goodness, you write some absolute garbage. What was it in what I said that was "dogma"? There does exist places that have outlawed abortion and porn, and jails and marginalises people for criticizing governments and religion. These are the very things "progressives" are against. Yet you fawn over such cultures.


Hypocritical, confused clown. 

Kat wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 12:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great.

Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great?

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 7:57am:

Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great?

You're assuming that the conservatives know what "everything that made this country great" is.

Quote:

It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

The Cronulla riots were the result of reverse anti-multiculturalism?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:16am:

... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:57am: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great? You're assuming that the conservatives know what "everything that made this country great" is.

yeah, well they have got a better chance of knowing than krazy kat does. 

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:16am: ... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:57am: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great? You're assuming that the conservatives know what "everything that made this country great" is. yeah, well they have got a better chance of knowing than krazy kat does.

My money's on Kat.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 3:20pm:

I am not opposed to multiculturalism’s inclusiveness. I am glad we have Asians, Filipinos, Pacific Islanders, South Americans, and any other group who would like to contribute to this Australian Commonwealth as long as Australia is their ultimate allegiance. It’s the boffins who created multiculturalism, and their pathetic belief that a better society can be engineered by quotas that give me a royal pain in the arse. Right from the gitgo multiculturalism was an academic interpretation of the cosmopolitan society, something that takes a long time to develop. But no, they believed all you had to do was change the law of the land and everything would be hunky-dory. And of course there is no racism outside of European and Western societies. Change Australian law and everyone will love us. Just look at how well the Paks and Indians get along. Africa is a land of tribal harmony and the seventy tribes of New Guinea are just overflowing with brotherly love. So having gained the public moral high ground by offering our own nation up for the experiment, the boffins of multiculturalism are free to dub all criticism Racist, and any other concern must be irrational. Oh, I have a phobia all right. It’s one of sanctimonious do-gooders who believe they cannot possibly be wrong simply, and I do mean simply, because their beliefs are based on a deluded sense of compassion.

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:20am:

Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. The Cronulla riots were the result of reverse anti-multiculturalism?

Is that the same as "reverse racism"?

Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism.

So you're either a multiculturalist or an anti-mlticulturalist.

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 7:57am:

Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great?

thats why they are called neo-cons,... because they aren't really conservative !

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:20am: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. The Cronulla riots were the result of reverse anti-multiculturalism? Is that the same as "reverse racism"? Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism. So you're either a multiculturalist or an anti-mlticulturalist.

Herb has been explaining to us that anti mulit is very different to being racist - he sais that it is perfectly ok to be anti multi tpwards people who happen to be different.

Is that the same as "reverse racism"?

Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism.


Some would say you are right and some don't. Reverse racism can be defined like this:

Reverse racism is a condition in which discrimination against a dominant racial group in a society has taken place.


Many believe that the term racism is sufficient.

Racism is a form of discrimination and reverse discrimination is discrimination by a minority group towards the more dominant group.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 11:18am:

... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:57am: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great? thats why they are called neo-cons,... because they aren't really conservative !

They threw GM out because they refused to bring back the FC.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 11:30am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 10:48am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:20am: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. The Cronulla riots were the result of reverse anti-multiculturalism? Is that the same as "reverse racism"? Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism. So you're either a multiculturalist or an anti-mlticulturalist. Herb has been explaining to us that anti mulit is very different to being racist - he sais that it is perfectly ok to be anti multi tpwards people who happen to be different. Is that the same as "reverse racism"? Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism. Some would say you are right and some don't. Reverse racism can be defined like this: Reverse racism is a condition in which discrimination against a dominant racial group in a society has taken place. Many believe that the term racism is sufficient. Racism is a form of discrimination and reverse discrimination is discrimination by a minority group towards the more dominant group.

It matters not who perpetrates the racism or discrimination ... Minority or majority.

It is the same ....  Your explanation is just pandering to the myth that only a certain group are capable of discrimination & racism.

Minority groups play the race/ discrimination card at any criticism or as an excuse.

All being equal as it should be .... means it should not be just a tool for one section of the community.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:18am: ... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:57am: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:03am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:50pm: Imagine these "progressives" in a culture where abortion and porn is heavily frowned upon, and where criticizing the government is risky and can lead to jail and fines, and where criticising religion will end up with you being marginalised from the community. We don't have to imagine it. We DO live in such a culture at the present time, AND it's getting worse. And it's all (no) thanks to you conservative air-thieves and your ongoing ideological war against everything which made this country great. Wouldn't conservatives try to conserve everything that made this country great? thats why they are called neo-cons,... because they aren't really conservative ! They threw GM out because they refused to bring back the FC.

bring back the 50s  :D :D :D :D :D

I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest.

Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture.

Further, with regard to the OP, the problem with this type of rebranding is that there is real racism that goes on. To use the a term like the invented "anti-multiculturalism" comes directly from the Goebels school of propaganda.

Fear of culture being diluted through immigration has been around in Australia long before the term multiculturalism was invented. That is the root of our racist past and the corner stone of present racism and religious bigotry. Ironically, if one is truly connected with their culture, it would seem that no external threat could actually impact on that.

How terrible it would be to live in fear.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 8:33pm:

I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest. Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture.

Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more.
Also, do the millions of whites from the lower classes have institutional power?


Quote:

Fear of culture being diluted through immigration has been around in Australia long before the term multiculturalism was invented. That is the root of our racist past and the corner stone of present racism and religious bigotry. Ironically, if one is truly connected with their culture, it would seem that no external threat could actually impact on that. How terrible it would be to live in fear.

So, it would be okay if Australia's current culture was completely diluted by Iranian culture? How about Saudi Arabian culture? I hear they're going gangbusters over there with the free speech thing.  ::)

Quote:

Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power.

Further perpetuation of the furphy that only whites/ Europeans are racists.  ::)

Let's see how the "institutional power" of a poor white kid holds up when he's getting chased by a bunch of coons intent on stomping and robbing him for being white.

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am:

Quote: Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. Further perpetuation of the furphy that only whites/ Europeans are racists.  ::)

Depends on the country, I experienced racism in Tonga, where Tongans have the power.

Australia has no culture, don't you know. Only the 'other' has deep and honourable cultures.

The reflex opening gambit from the progs is to ask 'what is Australian culture?' And then proceed to crass and stupid examples like drunkenness and sunburn. If told that immigrants should fit in, learn the language and respect the customs, they compare the expectation to Nazism.




ColdFact wrote on Oct 27^th, 2014 at 4:56am:

Panther wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 9:38pm: Welcome the immigrant into our society on the provision he respects the privilege he is being offered, to live in Australia, the privilege of living in our society by joining in that society & accepting our ways, our culture, our laws, & our language. Still sounds like Nazi Germany in the 30s.  Aside from the rhetoric, how would you legislate and enforce these conditions? And  could you specifically enlighten me on the Australian culture that you have in mind  Are we talking compulsory Holden car ownership and meat pie lunches; compulsory heavy drinking and gambling habits; compulsory membership of a cricket club, or mindless sun-baking and surfing on a shark infested beach? See if you can articulate an argument without resorting to rants about media manifestations like 'terrorism', 'the war on terror', Sharia law, and other such delusions.

Well what is our culture Soren?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

Ahhhhh this number straight from the sandalista songbook.  An oldie but a goodie to define that set of attributes that we enjoy and is referred to in shorthand as Australia values.  One thing is certain, when a luvvie asks you to define something it is not to seek knowledge but to confound a debate.

I suggest you could ask a country shopper who has travelled across the world bypassing myriad other countries that are a better religious and cultural match to access those qualities that have been built here and what values they have risked their lives to  join.  You may even end up learning something...

Among those attributes to which the left remains clueless and baffled would be a stable country not riven by sectarian violence that is largely free of official corruption, where exists the rule of law and property rights and access to redress of grievance,  freedom of religion, stable polity and the ability to vote without fear or retribution with generous social safety nets and where you can largely live your life as you like albeit with regard to tolerance to others.

But I suspect it would be no avail, the luvvies do so enjoy their myopia and wilful ignorance, and if it is not feigned for minor and idiotic debating points then they can live in any other country, blind as they appear to present, ito a countries attributes and cultures

Datalife wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? Ahhhhh this number straight from the sandalista songbook.  An oldie but a goodie to define that set of attributes that we enjoy and is referred to in shorthand as Australia values.  One thing is certain, when a luvvie asks you to define something it is not to seek knowledge but to confound a debate. I suggest you could ask a country shopper who has travelled across the world bypassing myriad other countries that are a better religious and cultural match to access those qualities that have been built here and what values they have risked their lives to  join.  You may even end up learning something... Among those attributes to which the left remains clueless and baffled would be a stable country not riven by sectarian violence that is largely free of official corruption, where exists the rule of law and property rights and access to redress of grievance,  freedom of religion, stable polity and the ability to vote without fear or retribution with generous social safety nets and where you can largely live your life as you like albeit with regard to tolerance to others. But I suspect it would be no avail, the luvvies do so enjoy their myopia and wilful ignorance, and if it is not feigned for minor and idiotic debating points then they can live in any other country, blind as they appear to present, ito a countries attributes and cultures

Well, actually my question was in response to his statement about lefties wanting to define it as drunkeneness and sunburn. I was looking to see what if it isn't that (and I don't happen to think it is) what his definition of it is.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Well what is our culture Soren?

;D ;D ;D


We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know.

We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism.

So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:45am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism. So how can we ask people to integrate then.

Whooosshhhh!!!!



Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:45am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism. So how can we ask people to integrate then. Whooosshhhh!!!! Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia.

But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:45am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism. So how can we ask people to integrate then. Whooosshhhh!!!! Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia. But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it.

This is a distinctive country, not a word in a dictionary, pal. Can you exhaustively 'define' any culture?  Can you define the difference between the Chinese and the Japanese? French and Russians? It is a ridiculous request.

It is up to the immigrants to observe the habits, custom, norms and expectation of their new country and then fit in with them.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:45am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism. So how can we ask people to integrate then. Whooosshhhh!!!! Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia. But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it. This is a distinctive country, not a word in a dictionary, pal. Can you exhaustively 'define' any culture?  Can you define the difference between the Chinese and the Japanese? French and Russians? It is a ridiculous request. It is up to the immigrants to observe the habits, custom, norms and expectation of their new country and then fit in with them.

Should there be a timescale for that?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 11:41pm:

You've got the "progressives" fired up here, Herbert.

It's a bit like the bee hive inside the tree in my backyard that I tried to spray this morning.

The more I sprayed, the greater their number, and the greater their agitation, until I had to make a hasty retreat to the safe bunker of my home.

The Bee Riot Squad is coming on Friday to deal with these little backyard terrorists. 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:33pm: I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest. Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture. Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more.

Seriously? What exactly is not clear about the term?


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Also, do the millions of whites from the lower classes have institutional power?

Millions? Disputable figure, however, if they are part of the dominant culture then they certainly have some level of support within that system....

If they don't I am pretty sure I read somewhere that would be their parents fault...




Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Quote: Fear of culture being diluted through immigration has been around in Australia long before the term multiculturalism was invented. That is the root of our racist past and the corner stone of present racism and religious bigotry. Ironically, if one is truly connected with their culture, it would seem that no external threat could actually impact on that. How terrible it would be to live in fear. So, it would be okay if Australia's current culture was completely diluted by Iranian culture? How about Saudi Arabian culture? I hear they're going gangbusters over there with the free speech thing.  ::)

To be blunt, with less than 5% of the population made up of people from those cultures you are being an over dramatic drama queen.

Get back to me when you want to have a dose of reality...

At least then it may (I said may with the utmost hope) be productive.

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:27am:

Quote: Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. Further perpetuation of the furphy that only whites/ Europeans are racists.  ::)

Bwahahahaha, no it isn't...

Datalife wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? Ahhhhh this number straight from the sandalista songbook.  An oldie but a goodie to define that set of attributes that we enjoy and is referred to in shorthand as Australia values.  One thing is certain, when a luvvie asks you to define something it is not to seek knowledge but to confound a debate. I suggest you could ask a country shopper who has travelled across the world bypassing myriad other countries that are a better religious and cultural match to access those qualities that have been built here and what values they have risked their lives to  join.  You may even end up learning something... Among those attributes to which the left remains clueless and baffled would be a stable country not riven by sectarian violence that is largely free of official corruption, where exists the rule of law and property rights and access to redress of grievance,  freedom of religion, stable polity and the ability to vote without fear or retribution with generous social safety nets and where you can largely live your life as you like albeit with regard to tolerance to others. But I suspect it would be no avail, the luvvies do so enjoy their myopia and wilful ignorance, and if it is not feigned for minor and idiotic debating points then they can live in any other country, blind as they appear to present, ito a countries attributes and cultures

Wow, you and Soren both have gone to great length in order to avoid detailing our culture. To my mind, therein lieth the problem. If you lot are so disconnected from the culture that you cannot even reasonably articulate even a few stand out cultural facets of being Australian then it is already diluted significantly by the owners....

We actually do have a rich culture that is explainable, however, each successive generation seems to move just a tad further away from what that looks like. You demonstrate that perfectly here, ironically (irony would be one fine example of Australian culture by the way) whilst seemingly proclaiming that a group who represent less than 5% of our population are some threat to your cutcha....

Larrikinism, ever heard of that?

The Hills Hoist, an all Aussie invention - that'd be something that is part of our culture, what about the note pad - yeah we don't make that big a deal of our "inventiveness" I suppose, or perhaps that is a dying art for modern (dare I say, uncultured) Australians. There is quite a list of clever Aussie innovations.

How about our Mythology - Ned Kelly, Anzacs- let's face it, our idealised image of our Anzacs would not recognise, respect or acknowledge most "modern" Aussies of contemporary age. Yet that is what they bled and died for apparently. We certainly have demonstrated great respect for their "courage".

We value, no strike that, we once valued our Heroes, our sporting heroes (to be fair we still have not moved too far away from that one despite corporate efforts), our military heroes, hell we even had heroes of reform and progress (I know that the Regressive mob amongst us will hate that idea). Think about the Eureka Stockade....

These ideas, values, ideals and myths all make up part of our CULTURE, yet you could not articulate a single one.

A fair go...

Love of sun and sand - even after the slip slap slop campaign we still love our beach and outdoor lifestyle, and why wouldn't we given the gifts this country has to offer.

Then we have the contribution to our overall culture of the indigenous culture - like it or not, that too is part of who and what we are, even despite some of our (white fella) efforts to stifle, ignore, degrade, disrespect and/or crush it.

Then our capacity and constitutional freedom of religion, although one must seriously consider that is being eroded, not externally but from within. That is, or was, a distinct cultural strength that has been diluted.

This country has a very easily articulated culture if you bother to stay connected with it and not allow this dilution some are so scared of. It is being diluted already, but not by externals, not by 5% of the Population but by the vast majority who, seemingly are simultaneously terrified of it being diluted.

Like I said, if our culture is meaningful and strong enough, it actually has little or nothing to be concerned about, we need some meaningful connection to it. Meaningful connection, rather than using ignorance of it as a bludgeoning tool against those you fear that is.

Further to our "Culcha" is our language, Australian English is quite unique, cant' remember the blokes name now, think he was a linguist, who called it "Strine". It was something about saying Australian with your teeth clenched to avoid swallowing flies.... Sounds pretty Aussie Culture to me.

Do you need a further list to do with the Arts? Or would it be reasonable that you might go and do some research into those cultural norms, myths or ideals that you and many like you have contributed to the dilution of through laziness and lack of care, only to now blame a minority from another region? Migration, by the way, has been a cultural norm for Australia ever since the first 11 ships pulled up in Botany Bay....

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 1:12pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:51pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:50am: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:45am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:37am: Well what is our culture Soren? ;D ;D ;D We don't have one!!! Only immigrants from non-English speaking, non-white countries have cultures, as you well know. We have only heteronormative patriarchal white privilege capitalism. So how can we ask people to integrate then. Whooosshhhh!!!! Well, we ask them to integrate into the culture that was attractive enough for them to want to come here. You know, Australia. But if its indefinable, how can we point out ot people how to integrate into it. This is a distinctive country, not a word in a dictionary, pal. Can you exhaustively 'define' any culture?  Can you define the difference between the Chinese and the Japanese? French and Russians? It is a ridiculous request. It is up to the immigrants to observe the habits, custom, norms and expectation of their new country and then fit in with them. Should there be a timescale for that?

No.

Don't they KNOW they are coming here? Can't they do their bloody homework?  In preparation?

When all else fails........do what the American left does......

http://i.imgur.com/Op0Gghx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cXQvAtS.gif

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Wow, you and Soren both have gone to great length in order to avoid detailing our culture. To my mind, therein lieth the problem. If you lot are so disconnected from the culture that you cannot even reasonably articulate even a few stand out cultural facets of being Australian then it is already diluted significantly by the owners.... We actually do have a rich culture that is explainable, however, each successive generation seems to move just a tad further away from what that looks like. You demonstrate that perfectly here, ironically (irony would be one fine example of Australian culture by the way) whilst seemingly proclaiming that a group who represent less than 5% of our population are some threat to your cutcha.... Larrikinism, ever heard of that? The Hills Hoist, an all Aussie invention - that'd be something that is part of our culture, what about the note pad - yeah we don't make that big a deal of our "inventiveness" I suppose, or perhaps that is a dying art for modern (dare I say, uncultured) Australians. There is quite a list of clever Aussie innovations. How about our Mythology - Ned Kelly, Anzacs- let's face it, our idealised image of our Anzacs would not recognise, respect or acknowledge most "modern" Aussies of contemporary age. Yet that is what they bled and died for apparently. We certainly have demonstrated great respect for their "courage". We value, no strike that, we once valued our Heroes, our sporting heroes (to be fair we still have not moved too far away from that one despite corporate efforts), our military heroes, hell we even had heroes of reform and progress (I know that the Regressive mob amongst us will hate that idea). Think about the Eureka Stockade.... These ideas, values, ideals and myths all make up part of our CULTURE, yet you could not articulate a single one. A fair go... Love of sun and sand - even after the slip slap slop campaign we still love our beach and outdoor lifestyle, and why wouldn't we given the gifts this country has to offer. Then we have the contribution to our overall culture of the indigenous culture - like it or not, that too is part of who and what we are, even despite some of our (white fella) efforts to stifle, ignore, degrade, disrespect and/or crush it. Then our capacity and constitutional freedom of religion, although one must seriously consider that is being eroded, not externally but from within. That is, or was, a distinct cultural strength that has been diluted. This country has a very easily articulated culture if you bother to stay connected with it and not allow this dilution some are so scared of. It is being diluted already, but not by externals, not by 5% of the Population but by the vast majority who, seemingly are simultaneously terrified of it being diluted. Like I said, if our culture is meaningful and strong enough, it actually has little or nothing to be concerned about, we need some meaningful connection to it. Meaningful connection, rather than using ignorance of it as a bludgeoning tool against those you fear that is. Further to our "Culcha" is our language, Australian English is quite unique, cant' remember the blokes name now, think he was a linguist, who called it "Strine". It was something about saying Australian with your teeth clenched to avoid swallowing flies.... Sounds pretty Aussie Culture to me. Do you need a further list to do with the Arts? Or would it be reasonable that you might go and do some research into those cultural norms, myths or ideals that you and many like you have contributed to the dilution of through laziness and lack of care, only to now blame a minority from another region? Migration, by the way, has been a cultural norm for Australia ever since the first 11 ships pulled up in Botany Bay....

I am more sympathetic than you realise, pal.  But if I made such a list of characteristics the Brains, gweggowies, Paki Bvggers and their ilk would have had a field day along the lines of ' you have left out ...x.... you Danish fricken blowin.'


I came here as an adolescent but I am staying as a grown-up because I want to stay. I have three Australian sons. I could be a citizen of Europe but I am not.  So my choice is to identify with this place. I am not sympathetic AT ALL towards people who come here, choose to be here but demonstrate at every turn, through dress, manners and customs, just how much they do not identify with this place. I find it an affront and a challenge to MY choosing of Australia, a personal affront perhaps local born Australians do not understand because it wasn't ever a personal choice for them to be Australians. Many do, however, and I offer them my complete solidarity. Some do not get it because they are just too nice and accommodating and Australian that way  - and I hug them. 
Others are positively hostile towards the ungainsayable goodness and excellence of the Australia that I am sticking with. These Australians piss me off.

I don't yet know which category you are in.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 5:01am: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:33pm: I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest. Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture. Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more. Seriously? What exactly is not clear about the term?

It's just a slogan. Give me details.

I know the term, mostly because I've heard the "progressives" in the academe screech it, but it's always so vague that it amounts to meaning little.


Quote:

Millions? Disputable figure, however, if they are part of the dominant culture then they certainly have some level of support within that system....

Everyone has some kind of support here. Nevertheless, you're so vague that I don't even know what you mean. You need to write out in detail what "institutionalised power" is so I can see what "support" and "system" actually mean.




Quote:

To be blunt, with less than 5% of the population made up of people from those cultures you are being an over dramatic drama queen. Get back to me when you want to have a dose of reality... At least then it may (I said may with the utmost hope) be productive.

The example was projective to prove a point. It doesn't matter what the percentage of them are here now; the point is that there is a difference between Australia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Is this so hard to grasp?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 4:59pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 5:01am: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:33pm: I would consider reverse racism to be a myth to be honest. Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power. A minority group with no institutional power can say, do or believe whatever they like with little (at best) or no impact on the lives of those from the dominant culture. Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more. Seriously? What exactly is not clear about the term? It's just a slogan.

No it isn't, "Stop the waste" is a slogan, one which has clearly been misleading, nay, dishonest.



Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

Give me details.

1.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/institutional?&o=100074&s=t

2.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/power?s=t

I am sure you can work it out now, it really isn't that hard...



Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

I know the term, mostly because I've heard the "progressives" in the academe screech it, but it's always so vague that it amounts to meaning little.

Yet, it would seem you have never been prompted or perhaps lack the expertise to do some research.

I think it is an extremely simple and straight forward term and in the interests of "teaching you to fish...." do some research, you will no doubt be far better informed than taking the word from me and my limited intelligence.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

Quote: Millions? Disputable figure, however, if they are part of the dominant culture then they certainly have some level of support within that system.... Everyone has some kind of support here. Nevertheless, you're so vague that I don't even know what you mean. You need to write out in detail what "institutionalised power" is so I can see what "support" and "system" actually mean.

Yeah, right, see above...


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

Quote: To be blunt, with less than 5% of the population made up of people from those cultures you are being an over dramatic drama queen. Get back to me when you want to have a dose of reality... At least then it may (I said may with the utmost hope) be productive. The example was projective to prove a point. It doesn't matter what the percentage of them are here now; the point is that there is a difference between Australia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Is this so hard to grasp?

Not at all hard to grasp. Perhaps you are too young to remember the early days of Italian and Greek (particularly, but among other nationalities) or even the Vietnamese migrating here. You comment very clearly reflects the same ignorance based, fearful drivel of those times. Further, the first generation and perhaps some second Generation migrants from those times also clung to their cultural anchors they were familiar with and, despite the anger, hate and fear projected upon them, the following generations managed to somehow miraculously become Australian. Look how those cultural anchors have enriched modern Australia, if you dare.

Interestingly enough, I have an old friend of Italian descent who went back home to see some relatives. Upon his return, his family still quite stuck in the "old ways" didn't believe him that things had changed back in the "old country" - it was only one generation though. My mate was as Aussie as could be, yet even he recalled having fights in school over being a "wog"....

That was then, this is now and nothing new has come up from the fear based and irrational arguments.

Yep, the people from less than 5% of the population certainly are "foreign" - isn't that a bit ironic?

Further, the number is actually important, because that difference hardly is going to dilute anything, which was the point. They do not have the numbers to either represent any kind of threat or to dilute our culture, well, that is unless we assist them with it, which, I recon many Australian's have been doing for a range of reasons.

Perhaps trying the Aussie cultural idea of a "fair go" might be a good next step...

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am:

The example was projective to prove a point. It doesn't matter what the percentage of them are here now; the point is that there is a difference between Australia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. Is this so hard to grasp?

By the way, the "example" which is notably NOT included in your new quote was quite explicit, here,


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 5:01am:

Quote: Fear of culture being diluted through immigration has been around in Australia long before the term multiculturalism was invented. That is the root of our racist past and the corner stone of present racism and religious bigotry. Ironically, if one is truly connected with their culture, it would seem that no external threat could actually impact on that. How terrible it would be to live in fear. So, it would be okay if Australia's current culture was completely diluted by Iranian culture? How about Saudi Arabian culture? I hear they're going gangbusters over there with the free speech thing.  ::)

I took the trouble to highlight for you the part that highlights a bit of a lie in your projective example, the number is entirely relevant in terms of completely diluting our culture, hence my being "overly dramatic" comment.

The numbers matter if the "differences" are going to have any significant impact either positively or negatively.

If that is too hard to work out, then this is pretty much a done discussion.

Also, if we can't have some intellectual honesty here, then once again, the discussion may as well be done.

You don't need to agree or like my point of view/comments at all. However, if you are going to test, refute, rebut or challenge them, at least do so with some integrity.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

I am more sympathetic than you realise, pal.  But if I made such a list of characteristics the Brains, gweggowies, Paki Bvggers and their ilk would have had a field day along the lines of ' you have left out ...x.... you Danish fricken blowin.'

Well then firstly, they would be ignorant arseholes for doing so... Just so we understand each other a bit.

Further, I was not previously aware you had immigrated here. That said, doing so as an adolescent, it is still not unreasonable for some insight into our culture. I by no means gave a full list and, to my mind, that simply highlights how full and rich our, often times, camouflaged culture actually is.

My point is, a concerning number of Australians do not value and/or respect it enough to do more than whinge about unrealistic threats to that which they cannot articulate enough, because they do not actually respect it, care about it or identify with it presently. That is why all too often our culture is referred to as "watching footy, getting pissed and having fights...."




Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

I came here as an adolescent but I am staying as a grown-up because I want to stay. I have three Australian sons. I could be a citizen of Europe but I am not.  So my choice is to identify with this place. I am not sympathetic AT ALL towards people who come here, choose to be here but demonstrate at every turn, through dress, manners and customs, just how much they do not identify with this place. I find it an affront and a challenge to MY choosing of Australia, a personal affront perhaps local born Australians do not understand because it wasn't ever a personal choice for them to be Australians. Many do, however, and I offer them my complete solidarity. Some do not get it because they are just too nice and accommodating and Australian that way  - and I hug them.

I too am sympathetic to people who come here and still have a need for some attachment to the culture of their birth. It is the subsequent generations (hopefully) who in effect break the mould and engage with and largely enhance our culture. Don't get me wrong, not all aspects of multiculturalism are good, I get it, however, the same can be stated about monocultures....

I personally think it stupid to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Also, being a supporter of the freedom we enjoy and the idea of democracy (which we do not fully utilise or enjoy), dissention is very appropriate and should be embraced. It is a very valid aspect of being free.

Tell me honestly, is there nothing from your early childhood, or even your later family life as an adolescent that you think of fondly which, if really pushed, would be a cultural norm from the your country of origin?

Did your parents fully assimilate immediately upon arrival?

This is after all what we are ultimately talking about...
 

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Others are positively hostile towards the ungainsayable goodness and excellence of the Australia that I am sticking with. These Australians piss me off.

The goodness and excellence (as you put it) of Australia is largely due to people having been hostile and demonstrating their dissent in the past....

Therefore, they are not necessarily the enemy.

As an Aussie, you have every right to be pissed off and they tell me, in most circles at least, it is vastly better than being pissed on (thought I might get away with a bit of Aussie irony here...)  ;D



Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

I don't yet know which category you are in.

Please understand, when you have decided, and subsequently labelled me, I unapologetically will not care either way.... For my part, that is part of how I was raised as an independent Aussie kid...

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

No it isn't, "Stop the waste" is a slogan, one which has clearly been misleading, nay, dishonest.

Well, it is a slogan, yet Abbott's argument is that the debt left by Labor included some waste. In contrast, you have no argument. You replied with "seriously?" and now with some dictionary definitions which amounts to tautologies and not an argument and/or evidence.



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1. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/institutional?&o=100074&s=t 2. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/power?s=t I am sure you can work it out now, it really isn't that hard...

There's nothing in those links that verify your original claim. Let me remind you what it was: "Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power."



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Yet, it would seem you have never been prompted or perhaps lack the expertise to do some research. I think it is an extremely simple and straight forward term and in the interests of "teaching you to fish...." do some research, you will no doubt be far better informed than taking the word from me and my limited intelligence.

You're telling the story, you made the original claim; the onus is on you to verify and support it.

I actually know the arguments of those who screech "whites have institutional power", but I want you to explain it.


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Yeah, right, see above...

See what above?




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Not at all hard to grasp. Perhaps you are too young to remember the early days of Italian and Greek (particularly, but among other nationalities) or even the Vietnamese migrating here. You comment very clearly reflects the same ignorance based, fearful drivel of those times. Further, the first generation and perhaps some second Generation migrants from those times also clung to their cultural anchors they were familiar with and, despite the anger, hate and fear projected upon them, the following generations managed to somehow miraculously become Australian. Look how those cultural anchors have enriched modern Australia, if you dare. Interestingly enough, I have an old friend of Italian descent who went back home to see some relatives. Upon his return, his family still quite stuck in the "old ways" didn't believe him that things had changed back in the "old country" - it was only one generation though. My mate was as Aussie as could be, yet even he recalled having fights in school over being a "wog".... That was then, this is now and nothing new has come up from the fear based and irrational arguments. Yep, the people from less than 5% of the population certainly are "foreign" - isn't that a bit ironic? Further, the number is actually important, because that difference hardly is going to dilute anything, which was the point. They do not have the numbers to either represent any kind of threat or to dilute our culture, well, that is unless we assist them with it, which, I recon many Australian's have been doing for a range of reasons. Perhaps trying the Aussie cultural idea of a "fair go" might be a good next step...

I am not against certain ethnicities and their culture. Many do fit in reasonably well. Some even bring a better work ethic than many who already reside here. The two cultures I mentioned were mentioned for a reason - Iran and Saudi Arabia. They both have very stringent laws against free speech, particularly against religion (the punishment in Saudi Arabia for blasphemy is death). This goes back to my original point - It is ludicrous for "progressives" to support such a culture to flourish within Australia because it is them who criticize religion more than any other group.

Soren wrote on Nov 4^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

I am more sympathetic than you realise, pal.  But if I made such a list of characteristics the Brains, gweggowies, Paki Bvggers and their ilk would have had a field day along the lines of ' you have left out ...x.... you Danish fricken blowin.'

Ah, but, Soren, if you don't define what it is, that you're demanding Immigrants conform to, how can they know or how can we know, if they have conformed to it?  How do you measure your conformity?  Is there a scale of conformity?


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I am not sympathetic AT ALL towards people who come here, choose to be here but demonstrate at every turn, through dress, manners and customs, just how much they do not identify with this place.

Who set you up as the determiner of how people should act, Soren?   ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:24am:

The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist', as though the objections are based on colour instead of culture.

"The left (whatever that is today) keep trying to hijack the agenda..."

Agenda:  noun, formally a plural of, agendum but usually used as a singular with plural, agendas or agenda.
1. a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.

Apart from reducing immigration numbers could someone outline what plan they propose to bring about the demise of multiculturalism?

Since there's no multicultural law, and as I've asked in the past, how are you going to stop people practicing their culture, speaking their customary language, eating their customary foods or socialising in their customary fashions?

And --  apart from spurious Muslim bashing, as been mentioned -- are you going to target the rapidly increasing Jewish Community in Australia, which is now the ninth largest in the world?  Are you going to ban bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs, Jewish weddings and Kosher food -- make them tear down their synagogues?  The press will love you.

But why stop there?  You could go after all the pizza houses, Chinese, Thai and Indian restaurants.  All the non-Christian denominational schools. Ban all cultural festivals including Oktoberfest, The Filipino Food and Youth Festival etc.

But why stop there? This is Australia. You could blackout all non-Australian television and radio broadcasts -- I mean who wants to watch the decadent Carnival in Rio?
Of course all non-Australian religious activities could be banned -- no more Ramadan or Passover. And you could disband all the non-Australian soccer clubs.

And what about a ban on foreign horses in the Melbourne Cup?  And beer too.  Screw Heineken and Peroni -- if you don't drink Tooheys or VB you're nothing but a wog-beer-lover.

What is Australian culture anyway?  Cricket and meat pies are British; most dyed-in-the-wool 4WDrivers drive Toyotas.  Holdens were really Yank cars. Surfing originated in Hawaii.  Sheep were imported from Britain and Europe; so what's the use of eating lamb on Australia Day? Rugby League and Rugby Union are British, Soccer is European.  The Australian military is just a sycophantic surrogate of the US military. The press is mostly Jewish.  The film and television industry is inundated with American garbage -- and Australian films mostly suck!

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Let me remind you what it was: "Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power." Let me remind you of your original question to my post... [quote author=Time link=1414887861/59#59 date=1415041266] Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more.

There ya go, so this dance so far has been around that question which, to my mind, is quite self explanatory and self evident if you bothered to do some research and apply some critical thinking....

You could have spent your time much better by formulating a critical challenge rather than more twisting and turning to no avail.

However, since the best you seem to have is this ongoing intellectual dishonesty, then that about wraps it up right here.

You clearly asked for "fleshing out" of the term institutional power - if you are not cognizant of, or are not willing to look up for your self the clearly articulated definitions of those words, that is hardly my fault, responsibility or issue.

Gnads wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:30am: Gnads wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 10:48am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:20am: Quote: It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism. The Cronulla riots were the result of reverse anti-multiculturalism? Is that the same as "reverse racism"? Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism. So you're either a multiculturalist or an anti-mlticulturalist. Herb has been explaining to us that anti mulit is very different to being racist - he sais that it is perfectly ok to be anti multi tpwards people who happen to be different. Is that the same as "reverse racism"? Which of course their is no such thing .... Racism is racism. Some would say you are right and some don't. Reverse racism can be defined like this: Reverse racism is a condition in which discrimination against a dominant racial group in a society has taken place. Many believe that the term racism is sufficient. Racism is a form of discrimination and reverse discrimination is discrimination by a minority group towards the more dominant group. It matters not who perpetrates the racism or discrimination ... Minority or majority. It is the same ....  Your explanation is just pandering to the myth that only a certain group are capable of discrimination & racism. Minority groups play the race/ discrimination card at any criticism or as an excuse. All being equal as it should be .... means it should not be just a tool for one section of the community.

Only pointing out that it was an acceptable usage which has been in use extensively for many years. You can say it either way most people understand what it means.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 6:23pm: I am more sympathetic than you realise, pal.  But if I made such a list of characteristics the Brains, gweggowies, Paki Bvggers and their ilk would have had a field day along the lines of ' you have left out ...x.... you Danish fricken blowin.' Ah, but, Soren, if you don't define what it is, that you're demanding Immigrants conform to, how can they know or how can we know, if they have conformed to it?  How do you measure your conformity?  Is there a scale of conformity?

Fine. It is the customs and standards of Australian society  as recognised by a "reasonable person", to use the legal term.

And why are Australians expected to be culturally aware and sensitive towards immigrant cultures but immigrants aren't expected to be aware and sensitive towards Australian culture and customs?  Don't the migrants know they are 'not in Kansas any more'?   
Why is there a different expectation? I think it's the soft bigotry of veiled condescension and low expectations towards third world immigrants.


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I am not sympathetic AT ALL towards people who come here, choose to be here but demonstrate at every turn, through dress, manners and customs, just how much they do not identify with this place.

Who set you up as the determiner of how people should act, Soren?   ::)
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Determiner? Can't I express antipathy without you, my little heresy-sniffer, yapping at the trouser legs?  How is sympathy or lack of it a determination of how people should act?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:24am:

The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist'

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 10:36am:

Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all.

UNFORTUNATELY - to the best of my knowledge - the English language does not have a word to define ...

"an irrational hatred of a person or persons based on faith"

- as we do with race, racism and racists





With religion based hate in growing, plague proportion - we NEED such a word, as never before

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buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:24am: The Left keep trying to hijack the agenda here by demonising anti-Alienism and anti-multiculturalism as 'racist' Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:36am: Many use anti multiculturalism as an excuse to bash Muslims and isn't about a multicultural context at all. UNFORTUNATELY - to the best of my knowledge - the English language does not have a word to define ... "an irrational hatred of a person or persons based on faith" - as we do with race, racism and racists With religion based hate in growing, plague proportion - we NEED such a word, as never before

There is a word and it has been existent in the English language for a long, long time.

It is "bigotry".


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bigotry Pronunciation: /ˈbɪɡətri Definition of bigotry in English: noun [mass noun] Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself: the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry Origin late 17th century: from bigot, reinforced by French bigoterie.

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bigot Pronunciation: /ˈbɪɡət Definition of bigot in English: noun A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions: don’t let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city he was a fanatical bigot Origin late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin.

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"The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the (muslim) criminal gangs."

That's what happens when you let them in your country...

http://www.dailystormer.com/swedish-police-release-map-of-55-no-go-areas-infested-with-foreign-parasites/comment-page-1/#comment-1441126

gone wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

"The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the (muslim) criminal gangs." That's what happens when you let them in your country... http://www.dailystormer.com/swedish-police-release-map-of-55-no-go-areas-infested-with-foreign-parasites/comment-page-1/#comment-1441126

Great source there, Eagle Eyes.  Do they give you a free Swastika armband with your first issue?    ::)

Here's an impeccable source, Svenska Dagsbladet
http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige-minner-om-parallellsamhallen_4051399.svd
And the police report

http://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/Rapporter-utredningar/01%20Polisen%20nationellt/Ovriga%20rapporter-utredningar/Kriminella%20natverk%20med%20stor%20paverkan%20i%20lokalsamhallet%20Sekretesspr%2014.pdf

Another unpokable source:


"Political Correctness: The perils of multiculturalism and open borders have reached critical mass in Sweden. There are Muslim enclaves where postal, fire and other essential services — even police officers themselves —require police protection.

A police report released last month identifies 55 of these "no-go zones" in Sweden. These zones are similar to others that have popped up in Europe in recent years. They formed as large Muslim populations emigrating to politically correct and tolerant European states refuse to assimilate and set up virtual states within a state where the authorities fear to tread.

Soeren Kern of the Hudson Institute has documented the proliferation of these zones. They are de facto Muslim micro-states under Shariah law that reject Western values, society and legal systems. In these districts non-Muslims are expected to conform to the dictates of fundamentalist Islam or face violent consequences.

"A more precise name for these zones," says Middle Eastern expert Daniel Pipes, "would be Dar al-Islam — the House of Islam or the place where Islam rules."

Muslim immigration to Sweden has been fostered by an open-border asylum policy. In the 1990s, the country welcomed 100,000 refugees fleeing the conflict in the Balkans.

Sweden has also been a haven for refugees from Iraq, and a recent estimate put the number of Iraqi refugees living there at 125,000. Since September 2012, asylum-seekers from the Arab world are emigrating to Sweden at the rate of some 1,250 per week, writes Kern.

According to a report in the Daily Caller, Swedish police officers in May pursued a suspect into one of these zones in the southern city of Landskrona. Their car was rammed, the officers forced out. They were quickly surrounded by roughly 50 "thugs" and called for backup while holding back the threatening mob with drawn weapons.

Other officers who responded were forced to stop a half mile away, just outside the zone. The police commander didn't press the issue fearing an escalation. Only with the help of a few residents whom the cornered police knew were the officers allowed to exit the restricted area.

Swedish police have not seriously tried to contest the zones since the 2013 Stockholm ghetto riots in which hundreds of cars and buildings were burned. The police report that there are now vehicle checkpoints operated by Muslim gangs on the borders of these zones. Instead of confrontation, Swedish authorities occasionally send special "dialogue officers" in a sort of Muslim outreach program.

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And still the Swedish public continue to vote back into power the Leftwing parties that sponsor and encourage this situation to expand and grow less able to control.

No sympathy from me whatsoever.

They've been 'making their own bed' for decades now.

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

It is just a strange coincidence that other cultures line up with other races.

We do not seem to have an opposition to other western cultures any more ?

It is only selective anti multiculturalism. Nobody seems to have a problem with the Greek or Italian culture any more as was the case in the 50's and 60's.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:00am:

Nobody seems to have a problem with the Greek or Italian culture any more as was the case in the 50's and 60's.

Bullshit. You shudduppayouface!

No one had a problem with the Greek and Italian cultures when they first came.

Dinki Di Aussies patronised the Greek Milk Bar cafes, and they filled the seats at the Italian restaurants ... and many an Australian girl married an Italian, and to a lesser extent the Greeks.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 12:40am:

gone wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 11:41pm: "The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the (muslim) criminal gangs." That's what happens when you let them in your country... http://www.dailystormer.com/swedish-police-release-map-of-55-no-go-areas-infested-with-foreign-parasites/comment-page-1/#comment-1441126 Great source there, Eagle Eyes.  Do they give you a free Swastika armband with your first issue?    ::)

I just chose one of the many sources, I found on that subject. The one that was the easiest to read. I don't know that website honestly. If it's a Nazi website, I apologize. However, you can check the link to the police website that shows the map which outlines the 55 no go areas. This is not propaganda. It's a fact.

Would you like to have 50 no go areas in Sydney that were ruled by muslim gangs and no one else allowed to enter? Tell me. That's what's going to happen if you have too many of them. 

gone wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

Would you like to have 50 no go areas in Sydney that were ruled by muslim gangs and no one else allowed to enter? Tell me. That's what's going to happen if you have too many of them.

Don't take them seriously, EE.

Having no answer for this Swedish self-made multicultural disaster, they're just trolling you to distract from these revelations.

And how is it our TV news and magazine services never bring these stories to our attention? 

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 10:10pm: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 3:20pm: Let me remind you what it was: "Racism lies with the dominant culture that also has institutional power." Let me remind you of your original question to my post... [quote author=Time link=1414887861/59#59 date=1415041266] Institutional power? Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit more. There ya go, so this dance so far has been around that question which, to my mind, is quite self explanatory and self evident if you bothered to do some research and apply some critical thinking.... You could have spent your time much better by formulating a critical challenge rather than more twisting and turning to no avail. However, since the best you seem to have is this ongoing intellectual dishonesty, then that about wraps it up right here. You clearly asked for "fleshing out" of the term institutional power - if you are not cognizant of, or are not willing to look up for your self the clearly articulated definitions of those words, that is hardly my fault, responsibility or issue.

Still no explanation of the term. If you make a claim the onus is on you to support it.

Let me guess, you heard the term somewhere and thought it was catchy and helped justify your own trendy views and white guilt.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 8:00am: Nobody seems to have a problem with the Greek or Italian culture any more as was the case in the 50's and 60's. Bullshit. You shudduppayouface! No one had a problem with the Greek and Italian cultures when they first came. Dinki Di Aussies patronised the Greek Milk Bar cafes, and they filled the seats at the Italian restaurants ... and many an Australian girl married an Italian, and to a lesser extent the Greeks.

I thought that you were old enough to know.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

gone wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 8:11am: Would you like to have 50 no go areas in Sydney that were ruled by muslim gangs and no one else allowed to enter? Tell me. That's what's going to happen if you have too many of them.  Don't take them seriously, EE. Having no answer for this Swedish self-made multicultural disaster, they're just trolling you to distract from these revelations. And how is it our TV news and magazine services never bring these stories to our attention?

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The perils of multiculturalism and open borders have reached critical mass in Sweden. There are Muslim enclaves where postal, fire and other essential services — even police officers themselves —require police protection. A police report released last month identifies 55 of these "no-go zones" in Sweden. These zones are similar to others that have popped up in Europe in recent years. They formed as large Muslim populations emigrating to politically correct and tolerant European states refuse to assimilate and set up virtual states within a state where the authorities fear to tread. Soeren Kern of the Hudson Institute has documented the proliferation of these zones. They are de facto Muslim micro-states under Shariah law that reject Western values, society and legal systems. In these districts non-Muslims are expected to conform to the dictates of fundamentalist Islam or face violent consequences..... Continued Here (Source Link)

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.......And how is it our TV news and magazine services never bring these stories to our attention?

Might I suggest, among others, simple fear......

Fear probably based on comparative fact, established primarily on developing local 'cultural' & 'radical' similarities, leading toward Sharia Law for Sydney & eventually Australia.

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism allows the foot in the door.

What will follow if we listen to the whispered proclamations of peace & love?

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Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 11:03pm: Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 6:23pm: I am more sympathetic than you realise, pal.  But if I made such a list of characteristics the Brains, gweggowies, Paki Bvggers and their ilk would have had a field day along the lines of ' you have left out ...x.... you Danish fricken blowin.' Ah, but, Soren, if you don't define what it is, that you're demanding Immigrants conform to, how can they know or how can we know, if they have conformed to it?  How do you measure your conformity?  Is there a scale of conformity? Fine. It is the customs and standards of Australian society  as recognised by a "reasonable person", to use the legal term. And why are Australians expected to be culturally aware and sensitive towards immigrant cultures but immigrants aren't expected to be aware and sensitive towards Australian culture and customs?  Don't the migrants know they are 'not in Kansas any more'?    Why is there a different expectation? I think it's the soft bigotry of veiled condescension and low expectations towards third world immigrants.

Brain - discuss.

Panther wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:29am: gone wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 8:11am: Would you like to have 50 no go areas in Sydney that were ruled by muslim gangs and no one else allowed to enter? Tell me. That's what's going to happen if you have too many of them.  Don't take them seriously, EE. Having no answer for this Swedish self-made multicultural disaster, they're just trolling you to distract from these revelations. And how is it our TV news and magazine services never bring these stories to our attention?  Quoted from: Investor's Business Daily -- 5th November, 2014 -- Quote: The perils of multiculturalism and open borders have reached critical mass in Sweden. There are Muslim enclaves where postal, fire and other essential services — even police officers themselves —require police protection. A police report released last month identifies 55 of these "no-go zones" in Sweden. These zones are similar to others that have popped up in Europe in recent years. They formed as large Muslim populations emigrating to politically correct and tolerant European states refuse to assimilate and set up virtual states within a state where the authorities fear to tread. Soeren Kern of the Hudson Institute has documented the proliferation of these zones. They are de facto Muslim micro-states under Shariah law that reject Western values, society and legal systems. In these districts non-Muslims are expected to conform to the dictates of fundamentalist Islam or face violent consequences..... Continued Here (Source Link) [quote].......And how is it our TV news and magazine services never bring these stories to our attention?

Might I suggest, among others, simple fear......

Fear probably based on comparative fact, established primarily on developing local 'cultural' & 'radical' similarities, leading toward Sharia Law for Sydney & eventually Australia.

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It's not 'racism' ~ it's anti-multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism allows the foot in the door.

What will follow if we listen to the whispered proclamations of peace & love?

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Exactly the same thing happened when the poms arrived in Australia. The real Australians had no go areas where the poms would kill them.

Poms resisting the culture of their adopted land and creating no go zones for the natives.

http://www.historyofaboriginalsydney.edu.au/sites/default/files/images/C%20359%20Natives%20attacking%20Shepherds%20by%20Samuel%20Calvert%201864.JPG

That's what happens when the local Abos thieve the sheep and vegetables from settlers who are at risk of starving out in the bushlands.

It was simply easier to loot from the settlers' efforts than go hunting for kangaroos.

We still have Pest Control as the answer to eradicating vermin that threaten ones home and standard of living.

To some extent Centrelink solved this problem of blacks thieving from the whites, but unfortunately our jails are still full of Abos.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:01am:

Poms resisting the culture of their adopted land and creating no go zones for the natives. http://www.historyofaboriginalsydney.edu.au/sites/default/files/images/C%20359%20Natives%20attacking%20Shepherds%20by%20Samuel%20Calvert%201864.JPG

Are immigrants going to steal our children one day, too, if we don't send them to the madrassa?