Liberal party ition with Coal is starting to fall apart.

Whitehaven Coal now is backing Coal in Clean Green Energy.

Shattering Greg Hunts stance Coal must never be used in Clean Green Energy, it must forever be used for the making of 18th Century Steam.

Politicians freebies might disapear if the taxes from millions of tonnes Coal were to disapear!

Worste still Politicians would be forced to think, a phenominom lost in their practice of bullshit and bluster.

"Whitehaven Coal managing director Paul Flynn has delivered a spirited defence of the coal industry saying we may be relying on the fossil fuel to tackle climate change."

Mr Flynn argued that the high level of investment in carbon capture and storage technology meant that "coal may well be the only form of energy that can materially address the man-made contributions to climate change".

Sydney Morning Herald

Coal is green energy, it was always intended to be liberated by mother earth and recycled back into the atmosphere for the benefit of flora and fauna alike.

Garfield. wrote on Oct 30^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Coal is green energy, it was always intended to be liberated by mother earth and recycled back into the atmosphere for the benefit of flora and fauna alike.

Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills!

Garfield thinks exponential growth happens..  :D :D

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills!

As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things.

CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:10pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things. CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world.

lol, lee is einstein ... welcome, please tell us how the world works  :D :D

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Garfield. wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Coal is green energy, it was always intended to be liberated by mother earth and recycled back into the atmosphere for the benefit of flora and fauna alike. Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills!

There may even be a case to be made that it causes brain damage, or at least mass hysteria.  :D

Garfield. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:44pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Garfield. wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Coal is green energy, it was always intended to be liberated by mother earth and recycled back into the atmosphere for the benefit of flora and fauna alike. Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! There may even be a case to be made that it causes brain damage, or at least mass hysteria.  :D

nyuk nyuk i went to a private school and look down my nose at the children whilst high on super expensive boring white powders  ::) ::)

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 12:10pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things. CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world.

true

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:00pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 12:10pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things. CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world. true

what is true?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:00pm: lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 12:10pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things. CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world. true what is true?

Excess CO2 kills!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:32pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:01pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:00pm: lee wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 12:10pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:49pm: Bullshit! Excess CO2 kills! As does excess H2O, O2, N2 and many other things. CO2 is also a fertiliser, greening arid areas, increasing crop production in an increasing populous world. true what is true? Excess CO2 kills!

I know that!  ;)

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:32pm:

Excess CO2 kills!

At what level does CO2 kill?

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 2:53pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 2:32pm: Excess CO2 kills! At what level does CO2 kill?

•slightly intoxicating, breathing and pulse rate increase, nausea: 30,000 ppm
•above plus headaches and sight impairment: 50,000 ppm
•unconscious, further exposure death: 100,000 ppm


Calculation for death caused by CO2 build up in plastic bag over ones head is not recorded!

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 3:10pm:

•slightly intoxicating, breathing and pulse rate increase, nausea: 30,000 ppm •above plus headaches and sight impairment: 50,000 ppm •unconscious, further exposure death: 100,000 ppm

So much greater than 400ppm.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 4:29pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 3:10pm: •slightly intoxicating, breathing and pulse rate increase, nausea: 30,000 ppm •above plus headaches and sight impairment: 50,000 ppm •unconscious, further exposure death: 100,000 ppm So much greater than 400ppm.

The upper safety limit for atmospheric CO2 is 350 parts per million (ppm). Atmospheric CO2 levels have stayed higher than 350 ppm since early 1988.

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 4:54pm:

The upper safety limit for atmospheric CO2 is 350 parts per million (ppm).

Can you please provide a scientific study that has examined and tested this conjecture.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 5:23pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 1st, 2014 at 4:54pm: The upper safety limit for atmospheric CO2 is 350 parts per million (ppm). Can you please provide a scientific study that has examined and tested this conjecture.

See Web under CO2 atmosphere and take your pick!

'Carbon dioxide is not generally found at hazardous levels in indoor environments. The MNDOLI has set workplace safety standards of 10,000 ppm for an 8-hour period and 30,000 ppm for a 15 minute period. This means the average concentration over an 8-hour period should not exceed 10,000 ppm and the average concentration over a 15 minute period should not exceed 30,000 ppm. It is unusual to find such continuously high levels indoors and extremely rare in non-industrial workplaces. These standards were developed for healthy working adults and may not be appropriate for sensitive populations, such as children and the elderly. MDH is not aware of lower standards developed for the general public that would be protective of sensitive individuals. '

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/indoorair/co2/

'In terms of worker safety, Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a permissible exposure limit (PEL) for CO2 of 5,000 parts per million (ppm) over an 8-hour work day, which is equivalent to 0.5% by volume of air.'

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wy/information/NEPA/cfodocs/howell.Par.2800.File.dat/25apxC.pdf

'Some experts opine that complaints that seem to be associated with high CO2 problem in many if not most circumstances are likely to be actually due to the corresponding reduction in available oxygen in air rather than high toxicity levels of CO2 in the air. As carbon dioxide levels climb above a few percent the relative proportions of gases making up that air change: the concentration of oxygen in the air inhaled is reduced as the amount of CO2 is increased.'

http://www.inspectapedia.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2014 at 6:41pm:

'Carbon dioxide is not generally found at hazardous levels in indoor environments. The MNDOLI has set workplace safety standards of 10,000 ppm for an 8-hour period and 30,000 ppm for a 15 minute period. This means the average concentration over an 8-hour period should not exceed 10,000 ppm and the average concentration over a 15 minute period should not exceed 30,000 ppm. It is unusual to find such continuously high levels indoors and extremely rare in non-industrial workplaces. These standards were developed for healthy working adults and may not be appropriate for sensitive populations, such as children and the elderly. MDH is not aware of lower standards developed for the general public that would be protective of sensitive individuals. ' http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/indoorair/co2/ 'In terms of worker safety, Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a permissible exposure limit (PEL) for CO2 of 5,000 parts per million (ppm) over an 8-hour work day, which is equivalent to 0.5% by volume of air.' http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wy/information/NEPA/cfodocs/howell.Par.2800.File.dat/25apxC.pdf 'Some experts opine that complaints that seem to be associated with high CO2 problem in many if not most circumstances are likely to be actually due to the corresponding reduction in available oxygen in air rather than high toxicity levels of CO2 in the air. As carbon dioxide levels climb above a few percent the relative proportions of gases making up that air change: the concentration of oxygen in the air inhaled is reduced as the amount of CO2 is increased.' http://www.inspectapedia.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm

You aint very good on defining boundaries of a system are ya buddy  :D :D

Do you bore your mates with year 11 economics books after snow-cones do ya??

Yeh, i wish i was a blue blood so my mrs could laugh at me  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Do you think CO2 in a somewhat closed room, (contained atmosphere), is different from CO2 in the outside atmosphere, at the same concentration?

lee wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Do you think CO2 in a somewhat closed room, (contained atmosphere), is different from CO2 in the outside atmosphere, at the same concentration?

A closed room does not contain the ingredients for life. End of w*** fest oooooooooooops  ::) ::)

The LNP Greg Hunt directive coal shall have no part in clean green energy is meeting resistance from the small miners who are ideally placed in the new energy market, but they are losing out because of Greg Hunt/LNP save the big Coal miners so they don't advertise, come election time.

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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 12:43pm:

A closed room does not contain the ingredients for life

Not even oxygen?

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2014 at 2:28pm:

The LNP Greg Hunt directive coal shall have no part in clean green energy is meeting resistance from the small miners who are ideally placed in the new energy market, but they are losing out because of Greg Hunt/LNP save the big Coal miners so they don't advertise, come election time.

Can you provide a link to a full description of how your generator works and who has developed it etc. (the image in the above post)

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 2:28pm: The LNP Greg Hunt directive coal shall have no part in clean green energy is meeting resistance from the small miners who are ideally placed in the new energy market, but they are losing out because of Greg Hunt/LNP save the big Coal miners so they don't advertise, come election time. Can you provide a link to a full description of how your generator works and who has developed it etc. (the image in the above post)

See Refrigeration cycle.  Note the restrictor that takes away the Refrigerant energy sending it cold.

See Barnes Wallis, (bouncing bomb, earth quake bomb) "really very simple" Replace the fridge restrictor energy waste plate, with an energy converting turbine.

Will work on any gas, CO2 having best heat to energy conversion!

82% efficient turbine converts 9 bar pressure one litre per second to 720 watts.

Refrigerant pressure bar, at temperature Celsius attached.

Developed by Das Energy, not one sole form development of the same energy source, but one of many!

Refrigeration Engineers! have copy of one model!
Room temperature, after freezer - fridge pre heat!

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lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2014 at 11:27am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 12:43pm: A closed room does not contain the ingredients for life Not even oxygen?

wow, you sir are one tricky operator  ::)