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Message started by perceptions_now on Oct 13th, 2014 at 2:05pm

Title: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by perceptions_now on Oct 13th, 2014 at 2:05pm
Iraq urges U.S. to send ground troops as ISIS jihadists close in on Baghdad

Iraqi officials issued a desperate plea Saturday night for America to provide ground troops, as heavily armed ISIS jihadists came within striking distance of Baghdad.

Amid reports that Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham forces have advanced as far as Abu Ghraib, a town that is effectively a suburb of Baghdad, a senior local governor claimed that up to 10,000 fighters from the movement were now poised to assault the capital.

The warning came from Sabah Al-Karhout, the president of the provisional council of Anbar Province, the vast desert region to the west of Baghdad that has now largely fallen under ISIS control.

The province’s two main cities, Fallujah and Ramadi, were once known as “the graveyard of the Americans,” and the idea of returning there will not be welcomed by the Pentagon. 


But were the province to fall completely into militant hands, it would give ISIS a perfect springboard from which to mount an all-out assault on Baghdad, where a team of about 1,500 U.S. troops is already acting as mentors to the beleaguered Iraqi army.

Iraqi government officials claim that while international attention has been focused in recent weeks on the Syrian town of Kobane on the Turkish border – where Kurdish fighters are still battling to keep advancing ISIS gunmen at bay – Anbar province has been on the verge of collapse.

“I think it’s fragile there now,” said one senior US defence official, speaking to AFP.

“They are being resupplied and they’re holding their own, but it’s tough and challenging.”

Most of the Euphrates valley – which runs south east from Turkey through Syria, into Iraq and towards the capital – is now under ISIS control. Were Ramadi to fall, jihadi commanders would control a vital supply chain running from Baghdad directly back to their Syrian headquarters in Raqqa. They would also control the Haditha dam, the second largest in Iraq.

“It’s not a good situation,” admitted one U.S. official.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/12/iraq-urges-u-s-to-send-ground-troops-as-isis-jihadists-close-in-on-baghdad/
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Well, let me put it this way, THERE IS A LOT MORE AT STAKE, IF IRAQ DOES FALL, THAN MAY INITIALLY APPEAR OBVIOUS!

If I can give you a hint, there is a lot more going on, than the obvious tussle, supposedly between a "small terrorist (supposedly religious) organization" and a coalition of the largest Global Economic powers!


Let me give you A BIG HINT -
IT'S ALL ABOUT POWER AND THE POWER THAT COMES FROM ENERGY, OIL THAT IS, BLACK GOLD! 


What happens, to Iraq's Oil Production, IF Iraq falls to ISIL & for that matter, what happens to the Oil Production from those who back ISL?

According the the following article -
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/08/08/374537/americas-biggest-allies-funding-isis/
The United States’ biggest 'allies' are funding ISIL - including -
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Turkey
Qatar


So, IF Iraq does fall, does the US & it's Allies, in Europe, Australia & elsewhere, invoke a ban on Iraqi Oil?

AND, because of their backing of ISIL, does the US & it's Allies, in Europe, Australia & elsewhere, invoke a ban on Oil from each country associated with backing ISIL?

If Iraqi Oil is banned or ISIL removed its Oil from sale, then there would be substantial, with Oil Prices spiking, Global Economic Growth taking a substantial hit, at a very inopportune moment, with Europe & the US both already teetering on the edge of GFC Mark2!

IF Oil Supply were to be banned, from Iraq AND all of the ISIL backers, then the safest bet would simply be to say, ALL BETS ARE OFF, AS THE GLOBAL ECONOMY WOULD VIRTUALLY SHUT DOWN!

So, like it or not, what is going on in the Middle East, isn't just important, it's absolutely vital!!!


Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Yadda on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:00pm


Let Iraq fall.


The Iraqis and Afghanis hate and despise us.




Moslems, both Sunnis and Shiite, have always been playing a double game against anyone [any infidel] who helps them.



#1;
If infidel nations send troops into a moslem nation [which is under attack] - THE INFIDELS ARE CONDEMNED BY MOSLEMS, AS INFIDEL INVADERS WHO ARE OPPRESSING MOSLEMS, AND WHO ARE INTERFERING IN A MOSLEM COUNTRY'S AFFAIRS.


#2;
If infidel nations DO NOT send troops into a moslem nation [which is under attack] - THE INFIDELS ARE CONDEMNED BY MOSLEMS, AS INFIDELS WHO ARE 'STANDING BY' AND ALLOWING OPPRESSORS TO MURDER INNOCENT MOSLEMS !!!!!





Let Iraq fall.


If ISIS [subsequently] threatens our interests, or our peace, then lets either 'deal with it' [i.e. lets fight a REAL war, against ISIS or any other moslem adversary].

Or, lets 'roll-over' to the moslems, and let the moslems rule over us.

IMAGE....






Quote:

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html





FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

"Don’t call me radical. Don’t call me moderate. Call me Muslim."
.....We do not have “radical” and “moderate” in Islam. Muslims are Muslims.
.....Unfortunately those who follow the Quran and practise their religion are called radical Muslims or extremist or Islamist or fundamentalist. And those who only carry the name of Muslim and Islam without following the orders of Allah in the Holy Quran are called moderate Muslims or understanding Muslims or open minded Muslims!



google



FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham

01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".


The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."




google

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by cods on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:09pm
Perc

OIL are we still buying oil from Iraq as per normal as if nothing is going on???>>seems a bit of a try if you ask me....I read where America is on the point of being self sufficient when it comes to oil.. Alaska is pure gold to the yanks...

do you believe that ISIL could run the oil industry????.. really??.. did they build the refineries.. I dont think so..who will do business with a bunch of head hunters???>...ISIL is good at killing... cant see them running a country and thats why to me they are like to mad dog chasing the car....they will need the West more than ever...

what a joke..

somewhere someone will ask them..

where is this going ISIL???????

so what are your plans for BAGHDAD?....

I would love to hear their answer..


Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by cods on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:10pm
yadda I find your posts beyond reading sorry.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by gandalf on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:38pm

Quote:
a senior local governor claimed that up to 10,000 fighters from the movement were now poised to assault the capital.


Given that there are an estimated 30,000 ISIL fighters - max, and most of them are known to be fighting in Syria, I call BS.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Redneck on Oct 13th, 2014 at 4:29pm

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
yadda I find your posts beyond reading sorry.


Good God!

We have something in common cods...Same here Sorry Yadda

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by life_goes_on on Oct 13th, 2014 at 4:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Quote:
a senior local governor claimed that up to 10,000 fighters from the movement were now poised to assault the capital.


Given that there are an estimated 30,000 ISIL fighters - max, and most of them are known to be fighting in Syria, I call BS.


I doubt there's 10,000, but even 3,000 would be enough to do the job. The Iraqi army has the combat effectiveness of a red velvet chaise lounge.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Yadda on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:27pm

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

yadda I find your posts beyond reading sorry.




Its to be expected.

I expect it.

What i post, and the arguments i make here, are unintelligible or unimportant.






"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.'
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

'ISLAM is peace!'                :P

Honest!!!!                :P



IMAGE....


Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK



Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 13th, 2014 at 9:47pm
Honestly, not a lot...If Iraq really becomes a 'problem', we'll just nuke it.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by red baron on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:36am
I don't believe that the U.S. will allow Iraq to fall. If it does the  strong U.S. influence in Middle East affairs will suffer a huge blow.

It's all about the oil and the U.S. isn't going to allow the supply to be turned off or down.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:48am

If IS take over Iraq, America and its allies will pretend to be outraged, then they will rename them and befriend the new regime.....for oil.

IS/ISIS/ISIL was only ever going to be a pretend enemy for a little while.

They did the same with Al Qaeda, created it, then acted like it was the enemy.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:59am

red baron wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:36am:
I don't believe that the U.S. will allow Iraq to fall. If it does the  strong U.S. influence in Middle East affairs will suffer a huge blow.

It's all about the oil and the U.S. isn't going to allow the supply to be turned off or down.



After Iraq - ISIS will attack the oil fields in Saudi Arabia.

This will be interesting.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:53pm
Just heard on SBS tonight.

ISIS won a battle when they were outnumbered 30 to 1 by the Iraqi army.

I can't find it on Google.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by red baron on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:59pm
What do you mean after Iraq Sir Bobby?  No way will the U.S. let Iraq go under, way too much at stake politically.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:03pm

red baron wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:59pm:
What do you mean after Iraq Sir Bobby?  No way will the U.S. let Iraq go under, way too much at stake politically.



ISIS want it all - they are greedy.

The Yanks won't do anything until the main oil fields are threatened - especially Saudi Arabia.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Yadda on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
Just heard on SBS tonight.

ISIS won a battle when they were outnumbered 30 to 1 by the Iraqi army.

I can't find it on Google.



bobby,

Google;
French Iraqi army retreat in face of ISIS advance


Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:16pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
Just heard on SBS tonight.

ISIS won a battle when they were outnumbered 30 to 1 by the Iraqi army.

I can't find it on Google.



bobby,

Google;
French Iraqi army retreat in face of ISIS advance



Give me the link - I see no 30 to 1 figure.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by cods on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:19pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

yadda I find your posts beyond reading sorry.




Its to be expected.

I expect it.

What i post, and the arguments i make here, are unintelligible or unimportant.






"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.'
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

'ISLAM is peace!'                :P

Honest!!!!                :P



IMAGE....


Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK



well if you could condense them down stop going on about the bible and other books that bear almost no resemblance to todays world..you may get your message across..

ISLAM IS PEACE..

well as long as you keep telling the terrorist groups that...who knows you may stop the wars.

why hasnt someone told them to stop using

ISLAM IN VAIN..

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Redneck on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24pm
I see the Iraqi Army has ran away from a battle with ISIS/ISIL today ....

Feccck them is my opinion

WTF should we even be there.


Bugger Off "The Mouth From The South -Abbort"

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by Redneck on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:28pm
Even the Rightards are not commenting on this and Abborts ridiculous statements!

"How Embarrasment Effie!"


Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 14th, 2014 at 11:47pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
I see the Iraqi Army has ran away from a battle with ISIS/ISIL today ....

Feccck them is my opinion

WTF should we even be there.


Because they still have a lot of oil reserves that need protecting, and we wouldn't want to see terrorists have control of fuel sources. Only George Bush (either of them) would be happy to see terrorist bump up the price of world oil. It's their little bitch, after all.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by fractalign on Oct 16th, 2014 at 11:05pm
There is only one country capable of defeating these nut cases and i hate to say it, aint the US. This country has proven itself to be unbeatable and layed all its enemies to waste every time they have tried to move against it.

It is also the biggest recipient of US aid and they way I see it its high time they paid it back in the form of military aid whatever that takes. They are Israel and if they were made to they could defeat IS within a couple of months.

That will not happen of course because IS and Israel have a special arrangement of non engagement with each other. Stalin thought he was safe signing a non aggression pact with Hitler and he was stunned when he was told the USSR was being invaded by Germany. Israel is delusional if it thinks their cosy little arrangement is any more permanent than that one because if IS wipes out all the Shias in Bagdad there is no doubt they will turn their sights on Tel Aviv.

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by St George of the Puissant HLT on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:26pm
Iraq won’t fall. Bagdad has seen ethnic cleansing with sunnis pushed out by shia. The sunnis are now outside. Shia militia know how to fight, just like the Kurds do. ISIS/ISIL prefers to attack soft targets.

http://pando.com/2014/10/02/the-war-nerd-islamic-state-is-sulking-on-the-edge-of-baghdad/?utm_source=pm&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=related_test

Title: Re: What happens, IF Iraq Falls?
Post by NorthOfNorth on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm
We are in for a long war of attrition.

Iraq will not fall as much as fracture along sectarian/ethnic lines.

Sunni Arab Iraq will be governed by Saudi Arabia. Shia Arab Iraq will be governed by Iran. Kurdistan will be independent (perhaps in all but name).

This is largely the case now.

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